Heartache: Pinoy Food now Made in China, Alternatives Here

[andresbonifacio2]

Something short as economic sanctions as Salcedo of Bicol as advised, talo dito Pilipinas at magback fire din sa atin. Pinya, banana exports etc.

If you want to be nationalistic, reversing from the neoliberalization policies(privatization, deregulation, trade liberalization) and austerity measures as prescriptions by IMF WB through puppets in UP school of economics, NEDA, Department of Finance, BSP since the days of Cory and Ramos will help protect and expand our industries, increased employment and economic growth as what nationalist countries did like Taiwan, China, Japan, South Korea, etc. Ngayon pinapatay tayo sa rampant smuggling at importation. Syempre sa mga mas nakakaraming naghihirap na mamamayan bibili pa rin ng mas mura.

Ngayon pinapatay ng mga austerity measures ang Europe at America. Dapat tayo makipag alyansa sa mga BRICS nations at various non aligned nations. Nandun ang emerging markets.

Dapat muna mag Debt Moratorium gawa ginawa ni Nestor Kirchner of Argentina na ngayon ay highest growth second only to China. Pinatakbo din niya ang kanilang na mothball na Nuclear Power plant.

Salcedo was talking about the Philippine government, only the executive branch can implement a retaliatory economic policy. And think about this, while GRP is not doing anything but diplomacy, Beijing proceeds with economic sanctions ANYWAYs. Gets mo? We lose whatever chess move we make.

RE: Debt Moratorium
That kind of problem and solution is only possible at the government level.

How will simple people folks solve the Debt Moratorium? It has been discussed at the grassroots level, even elevated to the higher and more powerful platform of free speech - media commentary, to no avail.

That level of economic and social policy is not for this thread.
Simple folk like us use free market and freedom of choice to choose from what is available on the shelves. Gets mo? We are not after a blockade of mainland products because we also get what is exclusively available from them. We keep things very simple here - doable, reachable, results oriented (consumer level).

[andresbonifacio2]

Little by little, the misconception that everything is made in China is being reformed to reflect reality.

Survey shows China's rising costs deter European business
Source: http://www.interaksyon.com/article/3...opean-business

[albert_sy2]

Ladies Choice is now made in China??? WTH

[andresbonifacio2]

Ladies Choice is now made in China??? WTH

That is not the only bad news.

My friends from dark places told us that Tuseran labeled, as made in the Philippines is actually made in China.

The products have Philippine markings, but the shipment was from China. I could not include it in the list because we only rely on label. God forbid, other business will just follow this and relabel the Chinese products.

[andresbonifacio2]

News Update: Fear factor: China's toxic load sparking rising alarm over pollutants in food
Source: http://www.interaksyon.com/article/3...utants-in-food

Every day I ask myself, what is safe to eat? The pork is laced with clenbuterol; the beef and lamb contain other toxic additives; and we don't dare drink the milk.

[andresbonifacio2]

News Update: China rift halts AirAsia Philippines' Macau plan
Source: http://www.interaksyon.com/article/3...nes-macau-plan

More Filipinos are opening up to accommodate locally made products.

From comments therein:

Communist China will never stop bullying Phil. It's time to move -on and look for another ASEAN member countries who wants to do business with you , people! Kung kayong mga Kapwa Filiipinos ay "Makabayan or Patriotic" stop buying goods from Bull Communist China, and buy from other neighboring countries who doesn't bully the Phil. Incompetent gov. should start helping businesses and entrepreneurs to start their own businesses (micro-loan with low interest rates, and hindi dapat galing sa bankong ganid ang mga ipapautang) to compete with the Crappy Communist Chinese Products! Boycott Communist Chinese products right now! Promote local businesses , or buy only products that is not made in Communist China!

[andresbonifacio2]

Update Summary: +Skittles



0. Software (IMPORTANT especially for businesses and government)
Made in China: Advance System Care Utility Suit (IOBit China)
Friendly Countries Alternatives: Auslogics (Australia), Piriform (United States), Spybot (Europe?)

Made in China: Easeus Disk and Data Recovery (CHENGDU Yiwo China)
Friendly Countries Alternatives: MiniTool (Canada)

1. Coffee
Made in China: Great Taste
Philppine Alternatives: Café Puro, Nescafe, San Mig Coffee
Friendly Countries Alternatives: Kopiko (Indonesia)

2. Fastfood
Condiments Made in China: Mc Donald's Philippines
Philippine Alternatives: Jollibee, Tropical Hut, 7-11

3. Peanut Butter
Made in China: Ladies' Choice, Best Foods
Philippine Alternatives: Lily's Peanut Butter
Friendly Countries Alternatives: Peter Pan (United States)

4. Personal Care - Toothpaste
Made in China: Maxam, and others
Philippine Alternatives: Hapee Toothpaste, Gumtech, Beam, Kutitap, Unique

5. Personal Care - Whitening
Made in the Philipines: Skin White

6. Chocolates
Made in China: M&M, Mars, Snickers (I can't believe it)
Philippine Alternatives: Goya Product Line, Chocquick Product Line, Ricoa Flat Tops/Curly Tops
Friendly Countries Alternatives: Lindt (Swiss), Villars (Swiss), Meji (Japan)

7. Detergent (Dishwashing, Handwashing, Cleansers)
Made in China: Lins
Philippine Alternatives: Pride, Joy
Friendly Countries Alternatives: Wings (Indonesia), Lulu (Singapore)

8. Vehicles
Made in China: Chery, Chana, Great Wall Motors, Zongshen, Jianshe, Motorstar (sorry Manny Pacman), Loncin
Philippine Alternatives (assembly or manufacturing): Sarao (powered by Isuzu Powertrain Philippines), Honda, Kawasaki, Ford (Focus)
Friendly Countries Alternatives: Toyota (Indonesia, Japan), Honda (Thailand, Japan), Kia (South Korea)

This temporary listing was sourced from http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/chine...he-philippines.
You can practically compare, contrast, and substitute the other Chinese cars with those shown above.

9. Cellphones
Made in China: Firefly, Torque, Cherry Mobile
Philippine Alternatives (assembly or design or manufacturing): MyPhone
Friendly Countries Alternatives: Nokia(Finland)

10. Laptop
Made in China: Lenovo (with Communist Party top management and shareholders)
Philippine Alternatives: Neo


Coming Soon:
1. additional Products
2. more information
3. tourism destinations

Thank you for those who contributed software information.

Thank you very much. Please share and link back to this thread, so that our kababayans can see the rationale behind it; also affirming and dissenting opinions. Please don't hesitate to post or PM me if there suggestions, comments, and corrections.

We have a choice.
Patronize Filipino and Friendly Countries' Products

[andresbonifacio2]

- Majority of Hershey's Chocolate bars now made in China.
- Cheap Pringles are made in China. The more expensive variety with Spanish labels are made in U.S.A.
- URC products owned by Gokongwei (major heartache) gets some of their raw materials for food/beverage directly from China. Jack and Jill (with coffee etc...), Great Taste, etc... are labled made in the Philippines but is more likely mixed in the Philippines.


Let us support National Bookstore for their sourcing of papers that are proudly made in the Philippines - and from friendly countries such as Indonesia and Sweden.

Let us support SM for sourcing much of their poultry, beef and pork from local producers.

[hydrangea]

o sige, let's all go back to the dark ages.

Everything is made in China nowadays.

Seriously, I don't get the point of the thread. It's the consumer's choice what brand he prefers. You can't expect me drop this brand just because it's made in China. It's such a shallow reasoning. I think personally, brand loyalty trumps this anti-Chinese sentiments.

[spez]

2. Mc Donalds Philippines condiments now Made in China. Pinoy alternatives are Jollibee, Tropical Hut.

Well, I know that the Philippines was distinguished as the only country in the world where a local burger chain beats Mcdonalds.. so you got to give us props for that. (but this was a while back, im not sure if they still hold that "record".)

As for condiments... Mcdo's catsup are Heinz.. expensive brand of catsup. Are they getting it cheaper than local catsup, or they prefer it even if its costlier for the superior quality? Im sure Jollibee and Tropical Hut also uses "made in China" supplies.. maybe the plastic spoon and forks? pero yung mga TOYS nila kasama sa kiddie meal definitely made in China pa rin.

[Papichulo168]

o sige, let's all go back to the dark ages.

Everything is made in China nowadays.

Seriously, I don't get the point of the thread. It's the consumer's choice what brand he prefers. You can't expect me drop this brand just because it's made in China. It's such a shallow reasoning. I think personally, brand loyalty trumps this anti-Chinese sentiments.

If you read the thread carefully, there are several points on the thread...

1. A lot of Made in China products are smuggled. Smuggled products kill the existing local alternative products.
- will you continue to buy that product knowing that it is smuggled?

2. A lot of the Made in China products are substandard. Substandard electric and electronic items can present a fire hazard to your home and neighbors.
- Is that a shallow concern to you? Your neighbors might not think so.



On topic:

The government should closely monitor the business practices of CDR-King.
- Check all their products for ICC compliance.
- Check all their retail outlets for BIR compliance.

[BULAKENYO1980]

CD-R king, hehe.

May nabili ako sa kanilang kumpletong scientific calculator, ang presyo ng 2 models nila, 80 pesos at 90 pesos.

yung mga branded na mabibili mo sa malls, nasa 500 to 600 ang pinaka mura.

Ano pa ang pipiliin ng consumer?

[andresbonifacio2]

o sige, let's all go back to the dark ages.

Everything is made in China nowadays.

Seriously, I don't get the point of the thread. It's the consumer's choice what brand he prefers. You can't expect me drop this brand just because it's made in China. It's such a shallow reasoning. I think personally, brand loyalty trumps this anti-Chinese sentiments.

This is a free country, what you do is entirely your own decision. Also using the same argument I am free to choose what I buy.

The people of China are living in a dark age because they are being oppressed by their own rulers. There are several good reasons why my ancestors left China and chose to live here in the Philippines.

There are many points expressed in this thread, but the summary is simply - I choose to buy and patronize my own kababayan and the products of friendly countries who help us. I will not patronize bullies and aggressive countries.

[Papichulo168]

CD-R king, hehe.

May nabili ako sa kanilang kumpletong scientific calculator, ang presyo ng 2 models nila, 80 pesos at 90 pesos.

yung mga branded na mabibili mo sa malls, nasa 500 to 600 ang pinaka mura.

Ano pa ang pipiliin ng consumer?

God forbid some structural engineer making calculations for a P100 million residential condo with a P80 scientific calculator.

[andresbonifacio2]

CD-R king, hehe.

May nabili ako sa kanilang kumpletong scientific calculator, ang presyo ng 2 models nila, 80 pesos at 90 pesos.

yung mga branded na mabibili mo sa malls, nasa 500 to 600 ang pinaka mura.

Ano pa ang pipiliin ng consumer?

Marami kami nabili na CD-R King calculators for our field work. Pero after more than 1.5 years wala na ngayon natira kundi yung mga Japanese brand. Una madali masira buttons nila, so gumagana na may tama, hassle sa negosyo.

People are getting smart, you see there are less lines in CDRKing nowadays. Business are returning to Japanese calculators or for some they still have the trusted traditional abacus.

[ArnoldZ]

Is there any Phil. gov't. agency that will protect Pinoy consumers from defective products or food that will endanger the health of consumers? If not, then this influx of Chinese products, food or otherwise, must be profitable for some corrupt employees that accept entry of such goods into the Philippine ports. That point of entry should be responsible for the safeguard of Pinoy consumers. If a Chinese milk product caused the sickness or death of Pinoy infants, they should be held responsible.
Another agency that should be responsible for the protection of the interest of Pinoy businesses and to make sure that Philippines is npt going to be the dumping ground of defective or low quality Chinese products.

View From Asia July 23, 2012, 12:20 am
Carcinogen Found in Chinese Baby Formula
By MARK MCDONALD

HONG KONG — A month after large batches of Chinese baby formula were found to contain dangerous levels of mercury, state media outlets reported Monday that the authorities have discovered more shipments of contaminated formula, this time poisoned with a cancer-causing toxin.

Health officials in the southern metropolis of Guangzhou said tests of five different milk products showed excessive amounts of aflatoxin, a carcinogenic substance produced by fungus or mold, according to reports by the China Daily newspaper and the official Chinese news agency Xinhua.

The tainted formula, marketed under the Nanshan Bywise brand, was manufactured by two companies in the Hunan AVA Dairy Industry group. Products in another line, Bright Dairy, were still being tested, the newspaper Global Times reported.

Guangzhou officials ordered retailers to stop selling the products while an investigation was begun. There was no verifiable information about the extent of the contamination or whether any children had fallen ill. And it was not immediately known whether Hunan AVA had been told to destroy, recall or do further testing on its products.

Last month, China’s largest dairy firm, Inner Mongolia Yili Industrial Group, found elevated levels of mercury in its infant formula and was forced to recall six months’ worth of production. Yili was one of the dairies involved in a 2008 milk scandal over melamine poisoning.

Chinese dairy executives say independent, small-scale farmers who bring their milk to producers are the likely culprits in contaminations.

“Most people don’t understand that dairy farming requires highest scientific approach to the operation,” said Charles Shao, the CEO of Huaxia Dairy Farm, quoted by Xinhua. “If you compare with the American farmers, the average Chinese dairy farmers are at least 50 years behind.”

Safety concerns about milk, milk powder and infant formula have become a highly charged topic in China in recent years, an issue so volatile that Internet searches about the continuing episodes of contamination are sometimes blocked by government censors.

Rendezvous recently explored the food-safety mess in China, where baby formula is just one of the hot-button issues. Imitation soy sauce has been made from hair clippings, ink and paraffin are used to dress up cheap noodles, and pork buns get so loaded with bacteria that they glow in the dark. There’s formaldehyde on the cabbages. There’s chlorine in the soft drinks. There’s chromium in the gelatin capsules.

Things have gotten so bad that a new iPhone app has been launched to track food scandals nationwide. The app, which sends out daily updates on the latest outrages, was reportedly downloaded more than 200,000 times in the first week.

There was a major aflatoxin scare last December when a large milk producer, China Mengniu Dairy, had to destroy large batches of milk. Within a day of the news, as The New York Times reported, people on the Internet “had posted or copied posts on the bad milk nearly four million times.”

The company apologized for the contamination but also blamed dairy farmers for poor quality controls on their cows and feed.

A Mengniu spokesperson, Lu Jianjun, was quoted on Hexun Weibo as saying “the reason the milk is tainted is because the feed used by dairy farmers was moldy, but a dairy company can’t control the feed used by dairy farmers.”

“Just like a country legislating that one can’t commit murder but some people simply want to kill people, so what can you do?” Mr. Lu said, according to the Hexun Weibo post, which was shown on the ChinaSmack blog. “There is not a single manufacturer whose feed won’t become moldy. This is just an isolated incident, just like how a steamed bun in your home can also become moldy.”

The tenor of the company’s response enraged many netizens in China, and hackers blackened the home page of the company’s Web site, ChinaSmack reported. The hacking team left a message that said, in part:

“So this is what Mengniu Dairy Company is like. As a Chinese person, you should wake up, and our duty, the duty of millions of netizens, is to make you wake up. To wake China up. This is our nation’s shame.

“Mengniu once strengthened the Chinese people, once made Chinese people proud. China’s own dairy company, now screws over its own people. Are you a cheat, a cheat, or a cheat? One half kilogram of milk each day, makes Chinese people dead. [This is a play on a Mengniu slogan: One half kilogram of milk each day, makes Chinese people strong.]”

Wang Dingmian, former vice chairman of the Guangdong Provincial Dairy Association, told Global Times on Monday that aflatoxin is typically formed when fodder such as peanuts and corn are stored without proper ventilation.

In the 2008 melamine scandal, various milk products, notably baby formula and milk powder, were found to contain melamine, an industrial additive used to make fertilizer and industrial piping. Dairy producers were using the melamine to make their milk appear to have higher protein levels than it actually did.

Six children died in the scandal and some 300,000 fell sick amid a nationwide panic.

There was a worldwide recall of Chinese products ranging from biscuits to baby formula. The scandal brought down one of China’s largest dairy firms, and two milk producers were executed for selling more than 3 million pounds of contaminated milk powder.

[BULAKENYO1980]

God forbid some structural engineer making calculations for a P100 million residential condo with a P80 scientific calculator.

LOL.

Pang school lang, parang disposable.

Halos di mo na naman nagagamit yung mga scientific calcu mo, after mo mag graduate (pwera kung engineering/maths related ang work mo)

Madalas nawawala na lang, o nahihingi o natatambak na lang kung saan.

Yung binili kong orig nung college ko, di ko na malaman kung saan napunta.