Salary for CPA's that graduated from UP BAA course.

[gs09]

curiouser Baka nga nasobrahan lang sa chismis I mean McKinsey.

[yuwi]

Curie, ano ba ang starting 5-digit salary mo? Kahit iyon, hindi ba pwedeng sabihin?

Ano bang target salary ni TS?

[everblue0011]

^ eh ano naman ang masama kung yan ang gusto nya? hindi naman ikaw yung magpakandahirap para mag-aral at gumradweyt sa CBA, pumasa sa board exam at pumasa sa requirements ng employer nya abroad. lahat yun, sya gagawa at hindi ikaw. may iba iba tayong motivation sa buhay so walang basagan ng trip!

It isn't in the essence of UP to create graduates that will just waltz out of the country the moment they got their diplomas. We may not agree on this point but as a fellow person who attended UP I'm sure you get my point. Ang hindi ko lang maintindihan eh yung reaction mo. Did I struck a nerve or something?

Ayokong makipag-away. It's not your and my time.

[icewind21]

Yuwi ang target salary ko po sana ay 6 digits hehe.

[yuwi]

Yuwi ang target salary ko po sana ay 6 digits hehe.

Starting ba ito?
Fresh grad ako, at sabi ng mga kaibigan ko, wag muna masyadong isipin ang malaking suweldo. Sabi nga ni Leona: It'll all get better in time.

[huntfan02]

It isn't in the essence of UP to create graduates that will just waltz out of the country the moment they got their diplomas. We may not agree on this point but as a fellow person who attended UP I'm sure you get my point. Ang hindi ko lang maintindihan eh yung reaction mo. Did I struck a nerve or something?

Ayokong makipag-away. It's not your and my time.

You tell me! Did the TS struck a nerve in you? Simple lang tanong nya tas sasagutin mo ng pabalang. Kung pumasa ng competitive UPCAT exam si TS and then decided to pursue his studies in UP, fair and square yun. Taxpayer din naman magulang nun so kung ang motibo man nya is to get rich, sino ka para magsabing mali yun?

[mocotillard]

I get the point of everblue. besides, uso naman sa ating mga Pilipino ang "utang na loob" na custom. If we use it for personal matters from now and then, the more I think we should for the nation. Hindi naman talaga ito obligatory because it is not being imposed by UP but morality-wise, we should remember how our quality education is being funded by the people. Oo nga, taxpayers naman talaga ang parents natin pero iilan lang ba sila sa buong populasyon ng Pilipinas? Hindi pa nga ata aabot ng .0001%. lol.

I admire those UP grads who, even though they grew up poor (and thus, have more reasons to dream becoming ultra rich), still try to contribute to the development and welfare of the society. I think if we're going to use the "utang na loob" custom that is so ingrained in our culture, our nation should be its foremost beneficiary.

Luma na ang capitalistic point of view. Lots of countries are now gearing towards socialism. Oo nga, ang bawat isa sa ati'y hindi naman gobyerno and, hence, that doesn't apply to us as private individuals. Pero, hindi ba "sovereignty emanates from the people"?

[mocotillard]

Starting ba ito?
Fresh grad ako, at sabi ng mga kaibigan ko, wag muna masyadong isipin ang malaking suweldo. Sabi nga ni Leona: It'll all get better in time.

dear, that's my favorite song! thanks for bringing that up!

[gs09]

Admiring those who chose to stay in the country is different from ostracizing people who choose to go away.

Furthermore, are you implying that OFWs (I am just assuming that the TS only wants to become an OFW and not a permanent migrant without any connection left in the country), are of no use to the national economy? In case you do not know, OFW remittances account for at least 13% of the country's GDP.

India is now reaping the benefits of nationals who worked abroad but are now returning to their home country to set up businesses and spurring growth, bringing with them the technical know-how they had acquired from the West. Emigration and working abroad are not as bad as others portray them to be.

[xkcd]

Admiring those who chose to stay in the country is different from ostracizing people who choose to go away.

Furthermore, are you implying that OFWs (I am just assuming that the TS only wants to become an OFW and not a permanent migrant without any connection left in the country), are of no use to the national economy? In case you do not know, OFW remittances account for at least 13% of the country's GDP.

I am a permanent migrant and I hope you're not implying that permanent migrants have no use in the national economy. FYI, being a permanent resident of another country does not mean I'm without a connection left in the Philippines.

Back to TS, malabong may magbigay ng salary nila dito. Basta pag bagong graduate ka wag mo muna isipin ang sweldo. Kuha muna experience para makakuha ka malaking sweldo.

[gs09]

I am a permanent migrant and I hope you're not implying that permanent migrants have no use in the national economy. FYI, being a permanent resident of another country does not mean I'm without a connection left in the Philippines.

Back to TS, malabong may magbigay ng salary nila dito. Basta pag bagong graduate ka wag mo muna isipin ang sweldo. Kuha muna experience para makakuha ka malaking sweldo.

I was pertaining to permanent migrants who do not have any connection anymore to the country--physical, emotional, or whatever. I did not say that permanent migration automatically means severing all ties to your home country.

These guys--I don't think they are of any use to the national economy anymore. Nonetheless, I am not one to criticize them for their choice.

[huntfan02]

I get the point of everblue. besides, uso naman sa ating mga Pilipino ang "utang na loob" na custom. If we use it for personal matters from now and then, the more I think we should for the nation. Hindi naman talaga ito obligatory because it is not being imposed by UP but morality-wise, we should remember how our quality education is being funded by the people. Oo nga, taxpayers naman talaga ang parents natin pero iilan lang ba sila sa buong populasyon ng Pilipinas? Hindi pa nga ata aabot ng .0001%. lol.

I admire those UP grads who, even though they grew up poor (and thus, have more reasons to dream becoming ultra rich), still try to contribute to the development and welfare of the society. I think if we're going to use the "utang na loob" custom that is so ingrained in our culture, our nation should be its foremost beneficiary.

Luma na ang capitalistic point of view. Lots of countries are now gearing towards socialism. Oo nga, ang bawat isa sa ati'y hindi naman gobyerno and, hence, that doesn't apply to us as private individuals. Pero, hindi ba "sovereignty emanates from the people"?

Taxes - lahat ata ng kilos ng isang ordinaryong Pinoy eh may tax. Bili ka sa grocery ng ibat ibang bagay, may VAT. Pagasolina ka, may tax. Pati sa kuryente mo may tax. Punta ka sa government offices, may fees lahat ng services na gusto mo. You also pay income tax. So pagsama samahin mo yan at ang tax na binabayad ng mga magulang ng UP students and UP alumni, more than enough yan to sustain the budget of UP. So I dont buy this argument na may utang na loob ka. You give and you receive as well. Patas lang. Tsaka, hindi nama libre na binigay yung slot mo sa UP eh. Pinaghirapan mo yun, pumasa ka sa UPCAT, therefore you deserved the slot!

"Utang na loob", hindi ba karamihan ng mga umaalis sa bansa natin para magtrabaho abroad eh yan ang rason? Tumatanaw ng utang na loob sa magulang nila kaya gustong maiahon sila sa kahirapan. Yan din ang rason ng mga UP grads. Hindi naman ibang tao or gobyerno tutulong sa pamilya mo eh, kundi ikaw lang din. So if you take care of your family so that hindi sila maging pabigat sa society at large, hindi ba magbe-benefit ang Pilipinas nun?

[mocotillard]

Taxes - lahat ata ng kilos ng isang ordinaryong Pinoy eh may tax. Bili ka sa grocery ng ibat ibang bagay, may VAT. Pagasolina ka, may tax. Pati sa kuryente mo may tax. Punta ka sa government offices, may fees lahat ng services na gusto mo. You also pay income tax. So pagsama samahin mo yan at ang tax na binabayad ng mga magulang ng UP students and UP alumni, more than enough yan to sustain the budget of UP. So I dont buy this argument na may utang na loob ka. You give and you receive as well. Patas lang. Tsaka, hindi nama libre na binigay yung slot mo sa UP eh. Pinaghirapan mo yun, pumasa ka sa UPCAT, therefore you deserved the slot!

Like what I've said, a single taxpayer's share in the national treasury might not even reach .00001%. A 2 billion-peso worth of tax paid is less than 1% of the total taxes collected by BIR. Hence, using ratio-and-proportion, a UP student's parents' share in the cost of education is a lot less than you think.

"Utang na loob", hindi ba karamihan ng mga umaalis sa bansa natin para magtrabaho abroad eh yan ang rason? Tumatanaw ng utang na loob sa magulang nila kaya gustong maiahon sila sa kahirapan. Yan din ang rason ng mga UP grads. Hindi naman ibang tao or gobyerno tutulong sa pamilya mo eh, kundi ikaw lang din. So if you take care of your family so that hindi sila maging pabigat sa society at large, hindi ba magbe-benefit ang Pilipinas nun?

sa magulang, pero hindi sa bayan. oo, may mga benepisyo nga pero wala namang pinagkaiba sa iba (i.e., lahat naman tayo nagtatrabaho para maiahon ang ating mga pamilya, galing man ng UP o hindi). pero sa ating mga nagsipag-aral sa UP, hindi lang sa pamilya natin meron tayo utang na loob. pati na rin sa bayan natin. oo nga, taxpayer ang mga magulang natin pero kakaunti din naman ang "share" ng mga magulang natin sa mga buwis na naikokolekta ng BIR.

sa tingin ko, ang pagtatrabaho para maiahon ang ating mga pamilya ay hindi pa sapat. ang ating mga napag-aralan ay kelangan din nating gamitin sa ikalalago ng ating sambayanan. at hindi lamang sa pamamagitan ng pagpapadala ng pera sa ating mga magulang.

pero gaya nga ng sinabi ko, hindi ito iniimpose ng UP. it's up to us if we want to share our blessings with the rest of the community. this is merely a moral obligation.

[huntfan02]

Like what I've said, a single taxpayer's share in the national treasury might not even reach .00001%. A 2 billion-peso worth of tax paid is less than 1% of the total taxes collected by BIR. Hence, using ratio-and-proportion, a UP student's parents' share in the cost of education is a lot less than you really think.

Out of proportion naman ang total taxes. Bat yan ang comparison mo? Hindi naman lahat ng nakolekta ng BIR ay napupunta sa UP at hindi naman lahat ng budget ng UP ay napupunta sa single student. So kung ganyan ang point of comparison mo, I can also say the same to parents of non-public school students na gumagamit ng government-funded things like airport, roads, bridges, police, army, etc. Lahat tayo gumagamit nun at some point pero walang pamukha ka na nakikita tungkol dyan. lol.

sa magulang, pero hindi sa bayan. oo, may mga benepisyo nga pero wala namang pinagkaiba sa iba (i.e., lahat naman tayo nagtatrabaho para maiahon ang ating mga pamilya, galing man ng UP o hindi). pero sa ating mga nagsipag-aral sa UP, hindi lang sa pamilya natin meron tayo utang na loob. pati na rin sa bayan natin. oo nga, taxpayer ang mga magulang natin pero kakaunti din naman ang "share" ng mga magulang natin sa mga buwis na naikokolekta ng BIR.

sa tingin ko, ang pagtatrabaho para maiahon ang ating mga pamilya ay hindi pa sapat. ang ating mga napag-aralan ay kelangan din nating gamitin sa ikalalago ng ating sambayanan. at hindi lamang sa pamamagitan ng pagpapadala ng pera sa ating mga magulang.

pero gaya nga ng sinabi ko, hindi ito iniimpose ng UP. it's up to us if we want to share our blessings with the rest of the community. this is merely a moral obligation.

No, but the money I sent to my bank and to my parents is used for lending to support/develop the economy. I don't understand, helping your country is not a zero-sum game. We all do our part. Collective yan, sum of our efforts. Nung nandyan ako sa Pinas, I never considered myself better than the many UP grads who were working abroad. I was never that arrogant.

[mocotillard]

Out of proportion naman ang total taxes. Bat yan ang comparison mo? Hindi naman lahat ng nakolekta ng BIR ay napupunta sa UP at hindi naman lahat ng budget ng UP ay napupunta sa single student.

Yun nga eh. Not all of the taxes we pay go to UP. That's the reason why we use ratio-and-proportion here. Hence, you can't use the "my-parents-are-taxpayers-anyway" as a counter-argument to everblue's argument that it's the taxpayers who finance our UP education.

No, but the money I sent to my bank and to my parents is used for lending to support/develop the economy. I don't understand, helping your country is not a zero-sum game. We all do our part. Collective yan, sum of our efforts.

Financially. But that won't be enough, IMO. Note: opinion lang naman. lol.

[huntfan02]

Yun nga eh. Not all of the taxes we pay go to UP. That's the reason why we use ratio-and-proportion here. Hence, you can't use the "my-parents-are-taxpayers-anyway" as a counter-argument to everblue's argument that it's the taxpayers who finance our UP education.

So okay. Applicable yan sa lahat ng Pilipino, hindi lang sa UP grads kasi lahat naman ng Pilipino, at some point in any given time ay gumagamit ng government/state facilities. So you cannot say to politicians na you owe us good service because hindi naman lahat ng upkeep ni congressman ay ako ang gumastos. 0.00003% lang ng tax ko ang napupunta sa kanya! lol.

Financially. But that won't be enough, IMO. Note: opinion lang naman. lol.

Ok I respect your opinion. I am just at a lost now kung ano ang enough? Quantifiable ba yan?

[mocotillard]

So okay. Applicable yan sa lahat ng Pilipino, hindi lang sa UP grads kasi lahat naman ng Pilipino, at some point in any given time ay gumagamit ng government/state facilities. So you cannot say to politicians na you owe us good service because hindi naman lahat ng upkeep ni congressman ay ako ang gumastos. 0.00003% lang ng tax ko ang napupunta sa kanya! lol.

You are a sophist. hahah. lol. Of course you can say that. As to the reasons: there are plenty. Among others, you mentioned the word "us." This means, you have the whole Philippine society in your mind when you said it. It's a lot different and downright weird if you said, "you owe ME good service..." Lol.

Ok I respect your opinion. I am just at a lost now kung ano ang enough? Quantifiable ba yan?

Thanks. It isn't quantifiable by any means. I'm talking about skills, talent and hard work. The issue on sufficiency will definitely depend upon the circumstances.

[huntfan02]

You are a sophist. hahah. lol. Of course you can say that. As to the reasons: there are plenty. Among others, you mentioned the word "us." This means, you have the whole Philippine society in your mind when you said it. It's a lot different and downright weird if you said, "you owe ME good service..." Lol.

hehehe.. Inapply ko lang yung sinabi mo sa non-UP Pinoy and I find it really weird.

Thanks. It isn't quantifiable by any means. I'm talking about skills, talent and hard work. The issue on sufficiency will definitely depend upon the circumstances.

It is not good enough then kasi hindi quantifiable.

[yuwi]

Pardon, pero hindi ba dapat sa ibang thread ito pinag-uusapan? Medyo irrelevant na kasi sa tanong ni TS.

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Nagulat lang ako at si TS ay may ibang thread siya tungkol sa salary at job security ng career ng Engineering graduates.

[huntfan02]

^ lol.. sorry for hijacking the thread.. okay, so ibalik na usapan sa sahod ng cpa baa grads..