[MERGED] Philippines vs. China and the Spratlys Situation

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kaliit liit na lugar ng taiwan nangaangkin ng mas malaki pa sa kanya? Di naman recognized na country ang taiwan.

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batangtimog
Just my observation on this issue. Lets be level headed and rational about US helping us. US will use Phil as a pawn to make noise and give China trouble. On China's side, they will contest the disputed island but they will not invade the Philippines, it would be a stupid mistake if they do so. Worst come to worst they will use force to contest the island but US will not help. All those US battleships visiting Olongapo and the US commanders and ambassador's talk are just pakulo, to make the us feel good. One has to pay attention to what White House or the Secretary of State officially says, and that is what that counts. Hillary Clinton already said US will stay neutral, that was when our foreign secreatry was there. Thinking the US will defend us for those island is just dreaming. US will not shed blood for us on those islands. But they have an obligation to defend if China invades the Philippines, but that will not happen. Sorry if I am pouring cold water to those who are "hotly" dreaming of this happening. What the Philippines should do is to continue the diplomatic fight. Remember Philippines and China are in Asia, US is in the other side of the Pacific Ocean. Churchill said there is no permanent enemy and no permanent friendship among nations, only interest. Lets think about it and look at the big picture. Just my two cents.
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I fully agree with you but lets face it and be serious about the situation. Nobody knows what will happen next? To prepare yourself is logical and a smart move just in case it happen. There are several countries involve in this issue and the one who is strong enough to make a stand militarily has the advantage. One of these days you will see and hear it happen maybe not the Philippines. It will happen and the Philippines will be one of the players. As what Winston Churchill said only interest.

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Japan talk of warning shots heats up China dispute
By ERIC TALMADGE
From Associated Press
January 20, 2013 12:23 AM EST
TOKYO (AP) — Japan says it may fire warning shots and take other measures to keep foreign aircraft from violating its airspace in the latest verbal blast between Tokyo and Beijing that raises concerns that a dispute over hotly contested islands could spin out of control.

Japanese officials made the comments after Chinese fighters tailed its warplanes near the islands recently. The incident is believed to be the first scrambling of Chinese fighters since the tensions began to rise last spring.


According to Chinese media, a pair of J-10 fighters was scrambled after Japanese F-15s began tailing a Chinese surveillance plane near the disputed islands in the East China Sea. China has complained the surveillance flight did not violate Japanese airspace and the F-15s were harassing it.

It was the first time the Chinese media has reported fighters being mobilized to respond to Japanese air force activity in the area and comes amid what Japan says is a rapid intensification of Chinese air force activity around the islands, where Japanese and Chinese coast guard ships have squared off for months.

Though there have been no outright clashes, the increased sea and air operations have fueled worries that the situation could spin out of control.

Such concerns have grown over official comments suggesting new Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and his Cabinet are considering the use of "tracer" fire as a means of responding to airspace incursions. Tracer rounds are designed to burn brightly to get the attention of a pilot who may have missed other warnings due to a radio malfunction, while also indicating that the aircraft firing them is prepared to take further action.

"Every country has procedures for how to deal with a violation of its territory that continues after multiple cautionary measures," Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera said Wednesday when asked if tracer shots would be fired against intruding aircraft that refuse to change course. "We have response measures ready that are consistent with global standards."

Onodera said the use of warning shots has long been provided for under Japan's defense policies and is widely accepted under international rules of engagement. Japan's air force has not actually resorted to them since 1987 — against a Soviet aircraft — and none were fired last week.

But Chinese and Japanese media have suggested Tokyo is publicly floating the possibility to test China's reaction.

The escalation of tensions has worried the United States, with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton saying Friday that while the U.S. doesn't take a position on who has sovereignty over the islands, it opposes "any unilateral actions that would seek to undermine Japanese administration."

That brought a sharp retort from the Chinese Foreign Ministry on Sunday. The comments "ignore the facts" that the islands are China's inherent territory, spokesman Qin Gang said in a statement that urged the U.S. to adopt "a responsible attitude."

In Beijing last week, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said China is on "high alert" and suggested Japan is escalating the tensions over the islands, called the Diaoyu in China and the Senkaku in Japan. Taiwan also claims the small isles, which are uninhabited but may be surrounded by valuable underwater natural resources.

"Chinese planes and ships are exercising normal jurisdiction in the waters and airspace surrounding the Diaoyu Islands," spokesman Hong Lei said. "We are opposed to the operations of Japan's planes and ships, which violate our rights around Diaoyu. We are on high alert against this escalation."


As is often the case, Chinese media quoted military academics with a much more fiery response.

"Japan's desire to fire tracer warning shots as a way of frightening the Chinese is nothing but a joke that shows the stupidity, cruelty and failure to understand their own limitations," Maj. Gen. Peng Guangqian of the Chinese Academy of Military Sciences was quoted as saying by the China News Service and other state media.

"Firing tracer bullets is a type of provocation; it's firing the first shot," he said. "Were Japan to dare to fire tracers, which is to say fire the first shot, then China wouldn't stint on responding and not allow them to fire the second shot."

Peng said Japan may have put out the report to generate discussion and gauge China's response.

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Associated Press writer Christopher Bodeen contributed to this report from Beijing.

[paenggoy]

Guidelines here:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...d.php?t=565253

esp. No. 1.

[gotta lick it]

saber rattling ... pati taiwan gustong maging kakampi ng komunistang tsina.

how crazy are the taiwanese to assist the *** Navy with its invasion of Senkaku?

WTF ... mortal enemies yan!!!







this is what OLD RETIRED generals are good for .... war mongering!!!

[batangtimog]

saber rattling ... pati taiwan gustong maging kakampi ng komunistang tsina.
how crazy are the taiwanese to assist the *** Navy with its invasion of Senkaku?
WTF ... mortal enemies yan!!!
this is what OLD RETIRED generals are good for .... war mongering!!!

Komunistang Tsina is called People's Republic of China, Taiwan is called Repubic of China, nakita muna ang pagkapareho niyan. Even though they have different political view, pare-pareho sila, mga Chekua yan. Ingat tayo sa mg chekua, ke mainland or taiwan.

[morejustice008]

Philippine government have already a budget in modernizing its Military Capabilities. They have a proposed plan in purchasing Anti Submarine Helicopters, like the AgustaWestland, TA-50 jet fighters, warships, etc We just hope they will purchase these units, asp. quickly. act now.

[morejustice008]

at ang sabi ng kabila, "Palayasin niyo ang barko niyo sa 'teritoryo' namin!"



samantala, noynoying pa din si Abnoynoy.

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basta mabawasan at malinis sa buong bansa ang corruption., may malaking budget ang pinas, para bumili ng mas malalakas na armas, pang dagat, corvettes, destroyer etc. Mga jets na galing sa usa kaya bilhin lahat kahit 50-100 units., kung noon pa eh, nagtino at walang magnanakaw, aba! isa tayo sa malalakas na bansa., DAPAT BAWIIN DIN ANG SABAH, NA MAS MAYAMAN SA LIKAS NA YAMAN., OIL AND GAS ETC. ANG MALAYSIA YUMAMAN NG HUSTO DAHIL SA MGA RESOURCES NA TO. HUWAG PUMAYAG NA MAMATAY ANG PAGBAWI SA SABAH, JOIN FORCES SANA ANG PRESIDENTE, SENATORS AT CONGRESS, AT MGA TAO.

[jpd74]

Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Fu Ying had said that China’s presence was permanent and they had no intention of withdrawing their ships from the vicinity of Bajo de Masinloc.

[gotta lick it]

^ oo nga, the US Navy was cautious about this situation that it ordered the USN Guardian from avoiding the West Philippine Sea which resulted in the grounding at the unfamiliar waters of the Sulu Sea.

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The Philippine government must make this issue one of the top priority this is now or never situation. China dominates the region and the Philippine government must act with caution coz China is just waiting for the Philippines to do a stupid move and things will go hay wire. Right now the Philippine government has no military strength to even oppose Chinas advance Claim into those islands. Philippines is just talk and talk and talk and nobody in congress even address this issue, nobody. Even in purchasing military hardware the philippines always settled for use military weapon. Who ever is in charge of buying those use equipment i can tell those people must have some commission. They always reserve their self interest before the country. The Philippine pay top dollar for use military equipment and the only thing they have is canon and machine guns. The Philippine government must think outside the box if you want security pay top dollar and have a peace of mind. Do not settled for that's good enough because the good enough is not enough to take you to the second level if worst comes to shove. Buy only military equipment with advance capabilities and don't settled for less. Don't let politician buy the military equipment they will buy second hand with string attach.

[batangtimog]

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basta mabawasan at malinis sa buong bansa ang corruption., may malaking budget ang pinas, para bumili ng mas malalakas na armas, pang dagat, corvettes, destroyer etc. Mga jets na galing sa usa kaya bilhin lahat kahit 50-100 units., kung noon pa eh, nagtino at walang magnanakaw, aba! isa tayo sa malalakas na bansa., DAPAT BAWIIN DIN ANG SABAH, NA MAS MAYAMAN SA LIKAS NA YAMAN., OIL AND GAS ETC. ANG MALAYSIA YUMAMAN NG HUSTO DAHIL SA MGA RESOURCES NA TO. HUWAG PUMAYAG NA MAMATAY ANG PAGBAWI SA SABAH, JOIN FORCES SANA ANG PRESIDENTE, SENATORS AT CONGRESS, AT MGA TAO.

TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, 100% !! Just saw a new thread about re-claiming Sabah, that place is 100% ours and Malaysia is the one enjoying all the profits and fruits of this sacred land.

[ImAnAlternick]

O ano pang ginagawa niyo dito sa PEX? Sugurin niyo na ang Malaysia. Isama niyo na rin mga gustong makipag-giyera sa China.

Ang tatapang niyo diba? Palibhasa hanggang PEX lang kayo... puro dada lang.

Kung gusto niyong labanan ang Malaysia at China, mauna na kayo dahil walang mamamatay para sa inyo. The AFP and the USA will not fight on your behalf.

[batangtimog]

O ano pang ginagawa niyo dito sa PEX? Sugurin niyo na ang Malaysia. Isama niyo na rin mga gustong makipag-giyera sa China.

Ang tatapang niyo diba? Palibhasa hanggang PEX lang kayo... puro dada lang.

Kung gusto niyong labanan ang Malaysia at China, mauna na kayo dahil walang mamamatay para sa inyo. The AFP and the USA will not fight on your behalf.

Its not about Ang tatapang, its about righteousness. The land belongs to us, it is ours. It was taken away from us through the imperial power of Britain. I would not create another enemy adding Britain to this situation. But we should face Malaysia. Lets do it through diplomatic fight. As for those suggesting using the Pinoys as sleeper cells, I would leave it to our military strategist to plan. The point is, it is our land.

[batangtimog]

Yeah, the earlier post about Marcos sending the special rangers or trained special military units to infiltrate Malaysia, too bad it did not materialized. Marcos was right on this one, I totally agree with him. I admire his patriotic cause. Just think what the Philippine's status will be now, if we got Sabah then. Of course Malaysia will fight back, but we are in equal footing with Malaysia when it come to military forces, I mean at that time. Even now, we can put up a good fight against them.

[ImAnAlternick]

Sleeper Cells? Pinapakinggan mo ba ang sarili mo? O nahihibang ka na talaga?

Mabuti pa magpacheckup ka na sa mental hospital dahil masyado na malaki ang sira ng ulo mo.

Kung ang MILF at NPA nga hindi na natin masugpo gusto niyo pang makipagaway sa Malaysia at China. Talagang baliw nga kayo.

[commoner]

Some people watch too much television...

[prEttyInDistr3ss]

Australia Makes Another Pitch to China
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...632410060.html


SYDNEY—Australia will attempt to deepen its strategic relations with China and increase military exercises with Asia's largest economy as part of a new national security strategy that Prime Minister Julia Gillard said will boost the country's influence across the region.

A key ally of the U.S., Australia has had to balance a growing economic reliance on China—its largest trading partner-while boosting cooperation with Washington as part of President Barack Obama's 'pivot' to Asia. In 2011, the capitol city of Canberra allowed the U.S. military rights to base up to 2,500 marines near the northern city of Darwin, a decision that drew criticism from Chinese officials.

By boosting its diplomatic reach and stepping up military cooperation, Ms. Gillard vowed to pitch Australia as a "middle power" that can play a role in solving regional disputes. She warned that the rise of China will fuel competition between Beijing and Washington, heightening the risk of a diplomatic miscalculation that sparks new conflict.

"We remain optimistic about the ability of China and the U.S. to manage change in the region, but their relationship inevitably brings with it strategic competition as China's global interests expand," said Ms. Gillard during a keynote speech on Wednesday when she unveiled the new national security strategy.

"None of these developments of themselves make major power conflict inevitable but they do make the consequences of any conflict more far-reaching and dangerous."

The plan includes hosting more military exercises with China. In December, Sydney hosted a flotilla of three Chinese naval vessels in a rare visit to Australian waters. The warships were returning from operations in the Gulf of Aden.

"This will include joint military exercises and high-level military exchanges with China, reflecting in defense the cooperative spirit that exists in the other aspects of our friendship," she said.

This comes as diplomatic tensions are rising across Asia. Both China and Japan have clashed over a group of small uninhabited islands known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China. The Philippines is taking a territorial dispute with China over the resource-rich South China Sea to an international tribunal, a high stakes gamble in a spat that already involves several countries.

And late last year North Korea successfully fired a long-range missile that drew criticism from governments around the world and China landed a jet fighter on its first fully functional aircraft carrier.

Australia has been critical of North Korea's nuclear aspirations, but typically steers clear of taking sides in territorial disputes.

Warning that "years of fiscal stringency" lies ahead for militaries in the U.K., U.S., Europe and Australia, Ms. Gillard's ruling Labor government implements savings of over five billion Australian dollars (US$5.2 billion) by deferring the purchase of military hardware, shedding civilian staff and cutting back on existing programs.

An overview of the country's defense outlook is due to be published later this year.

[_Esther_Liu_]

Pinuno ng UN, nanawagan ng mapayapang solusyon sa sigalot sa West PHL Sea
January 23, 2013 11:27am


Nanawagan si UN leader Ban Ki-moon nitong Martes sa China at sa iba pang mga bansa sa Asya, kabilang na ang Pilipinas, na mapayapang solusyon sa pinag-aagawang teritoryo sa West Philippine Sea o South China Sea.

Ilang bahagi ng South China Sea ay tinatawag ng Pilipinas na West Philippine Sea.

Nang tanungin tungkol sa desisyon ng Pilipinas na ikonsulta ang kaso sa UN tribunal, inihayag ni Ban na masusi niyang sinusundan ang alitan.

"It is important for those countries in the region to resolve all these issues through dialogue in a peaceful and amicable way," aniya.

Dagdag niya, handa ang United Nations "to provide technical and professional assistance, but primarily all these issues should be resolved by the parties concerned."

Kapwang nag-aagawan ang China, Pilipinas, Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam at Taiwan sa ilang mga teritoryo sa South China Sea.

Inanunsyo ng gobyerno ng Pilipinas nitong Martes na hihilingin nito sa isang arbitration panel sa ilalim ng UN Convention on the Law of the Sea—ang 1982 treaty na pinirmahan ng dalawang bansa—na aregluhin ang mga inaangkin ng China.

Ayon kay Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario, "The Philippines has exhausted almost all political and diplomatic avenues for a peaceful negotiated settlement of its maritime dispute with China."

Sa loob ng dalawang taon, kapwang inirereklamo ng Pilipinas at Vietnam ang mapamilit na pag-angkin ng China sa ilang mga lugar na pinaniniwalaang mayaman sa langis at natural gas reserves.

Nauna nang inihayag ng China na ang mga inaangkin ng kanilang mga katunggali ay dapat maayos sa pamamagitan ng mga negosasyon. — Amanda Fernandez/RSJ, GMA News

source: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story...a-west-phl-sea

[batangtimog]

Sleeper Cells? Pinapakinggan mo ba ang sarili mo? O nahihibang ka na talaga?

Mabuti pa magpacheckup ka na sa mental hospital dahil masyado na malaki ang sira ng ulo mo.

Kung ang MILF at NPA nga hindi na natin masugpo gusto niyo pang makipagaway sa Malaysia at China. Talagang baliw nga kayo.

Sleeper Cells - yeah, I saw it somewhere thats why I quoted it is up to our military strategist to plan. Pero malayo yan. Pero kung pupursigehin ba ng ating military eh I am sure they have their plans di ba? Siguro yong meaning ng nagsabi nito eh magimplant sa Sabah and provide information to our army.