Priest accidentally plays gay porn slideshow in church

[SirZap]

dragonei,

I had the same sentiments before, about vow of poverty of priests, kaso po may DIOCESAN preists na hindi po kasama ang vow of poverty sa kanila. simple.

i smell sabotage with regard to that priest's USB. the story is too fantastic, even for a a cynical agnostic like me. and there are just too many people out to discredit the catholic church.

im RCC and agreeing with that statement would look being too bias.
I want to say the same thing, again it would be bias.

yes I admit there are erring people in church and sad to say clergymen like that.

[Dragonei]

dragonei,

I had the same sentiments before, about vow of poverty of priests, kaso po may DIOCESAN preists na hindi po kasama ang vow of poverty sa kanila. simple.

Ok touche. Some do not have and OFFICIAL vow of poverty. But the vow of poverty itself i.e. vow to live a simple lifestyle is within the teachings of Jesus Christ. He encouraged his disciples and anyone who wanted to serve the lord na talikuran ang yaman maging nga mismong pamilya nila. Pero di ko halos nakikita yan sa mga pari. Mamantika lagi ang nguso ng mga yan. Ultimo pang yosi nila at mga alak sa donasyon pa kinukuha. Eto na lang tignan mo, ang mga simbahan ng RCC naglalakihan tapos sa loob nagmamahalang antigo pa. Pero ano ang mga nasa labas? Mga pulubing walang makain!

Sarap nga ng buhay mo pag pari ka eh. Kahit yung barangay kung san ka nadestino walang maayos na health center, yung parokya mo airconditioned pa. May mga katulong ka pa na maghahanda pagkain mo, maglilinis tulugan mo, at maglalaba ng damit mo na di kelangan sweldohan. Tapos lahat pa, mapa-magbobote hangang mayor napapaluhod mo sa harapan mo. At maghirap na kahit anong industriya sa pinas, hinding hindi mawawalan ng mantika sa nguso ang mga pari.

Kaya hindi nakakagulat na makakagawa ng mga ganyang katarantaduhan ang mga pari. Their very own lifestyle ay lapitin ng tukso.

[despisePappus]

The bigot's generalizations stink.

While it's true that there are erring priests, they are more like isolated cases. Read: they don't represent the whole.

Nakakahiya naman dun sa mga nagsisilbi nang tapat sa simbahan at umiiwas sa tukso. Makapag-generalize kasi itong bigot na ito parang walang bukas.

[Dragonei]

The bigot's generalizations stink.

While it's true that there are erring priests, they are more like isolated cases. Read: they don't represent the whole.

Nakakahiya naman dun sa mga nagsisilbi nang tapat sa simbahan at umiiwas sa tukso. Makapag-generalize kasi itong bigot na ito parang walang bukas.

Ayan tama ka! Nagsilbi ng tapat sa simbahan! Hindi sa dyos! Sa isang hipokrito, swapang, at butakaw na simbahan na napakakapal ng mukha! Di na nga nagbabayad ng buwis, panay pa batikos sa gobyerno na kinukubrahan din naman nila ng montero. So that is me spitting on the face of RCC and its teachings.

Yes when it comes to this, I am a proud bigot. And to show you just how much of a bigot I am, you wanna know what I think about devout catholics or religious nut jobs? They are weak-minded cowards who say amen to what their church tells them without any question out of 2 things; 1.) Constant fear of damnation if they do 2.) They lack capacity to adapt to adversities hence they want their religion to fix everything for them.

But you know what? No matter how much bigotry I throw around here, I will never be the bigot your church is. Kaya nga ang dami nilang hinaharang na batas kasi they too are intolerant of other peoples opinion and principles that contrast theirs. Better a bigot than a hypocrite in which your church is both.

Hay put@ng ina naman, tama na nga ito! Magrorosaryo at magnonobena pa ako. Leche!

[despisePappus]

The logic of this bigot really stinks.

When one refers to church, it involves the GOD.

With that major flaw in logic, all that follows from your long posted trash can be stricken off the record.

Whatever kind of a bigot you are, you're still a bigot.

A bigot calling another a bigot is like a psycho calling another a psycho.

Pot. Kettle. Black...

Spell hypocrisy bigot.

[Dragonei]

The logic of this bigot really stinks.

When one refers to church, it involves the GOD.

With that major flaw in logic, all that follows from your long posted trash can be stricken off the record.

Ah ok! Nice generalization. Since the incident happened inside the church with the priest supposedly doing churchly duties, then the porn playing in the laptop had to invlove god right? Kasi sabi mo ha! pag sinabing simbahan automatic kasali ang dyos. Di ba? Yan o nakabold pa! So ibig sabihin nagmilagro ang dyos para lumabas yung porno! Ayan ha! Hindi ko yan logic! Sabi mo my logic stinks logic mo yan! Not mine.

Whatever kind of a bigot you are, you're still a bigot.

A bigot calling another a bigot is like a psycho calling another a psycho.

Pot. Kettle. Black...

Spell hypocrisy bigot.

Right tama ka nanaman! You are a bigot calling another person a bigot. A bigot is a person intolerant of other peoples opinion. Ikaw ang nantatawag ng bigot dito dahil lang iba opinion ko! You are intolerant of my opinion as much as I am with yours. In fact as much as other pexers? Hmmmmm. The difference is, you fail to realize your own bigotry and accuse me of what you are equally guilty of.

Talk about an argument collapsing on itself. wahahaha

Sige na nga, Ill act like a genuine catholic na lang

Hay put@ naman kasi! Pati oras ko sa pagnonobena at parorosayo iniistorbo mo! Sipain kita talaga dyan pagkatapos ng last mystery na ito.

[despisePappus]

Not only this bigot has a failed logic, but he does have poor comprehension as well... Either that or he is fond of taking arguments out of context (as what he has gracefully shown to us in some other threads).

Fact: I said that when one church, it involves a GOD.

But this bigot took it out of context. So the porn was playing, what this bigot was trying to tell is that GOD was involved in playing the porno? That's terrible, right? I mean the way that this bigot thinks is terrible!

Fact: This bigot spewed bigotry everywhere in this thread.

Am I bigot by calling out his bigotry?

Did I even force my belief on this bigot?

The hell I care if he does not believe in catholic faith. This bigot can believe whatever he wants to believe.

But if he's a bigot, it is because he is a bigot. It is shown in this thread how he tried to flame catholics.

Maybe this bigot needs to review what does bigotry really mean.

Review your posts bigot and review the posts of catholics posting in this thread. Did we force our belief in you?

[feb1010]

Ah ok! Nice generalization. Since the incident happened inside the church with the priest supposedly doing churchly duties, then the porn playing in the laptop had to invlove god right? Kasi sabi mo ha! pag sinabing simbahan automatic kasali ang dyos. Di ba? Yan o nakabold pa! So ibig sabihin nagmilagro ang dyos para lumabas yung porno! Ayan ha! Hindi ko yan logic! Sabi mo my logic stinks logic mo yan! Not mine.




Right tama ka nanaman! You are a bigot calling another person a bigot. A bigot is a person intolerant of other peoples opinion. Ikaw ang nantatawag ng bigot dito dahil lang iba opinion ko! You are intolerant of my opinion as much as I am with yours. In fact as much as other pexers? Hmmmmm. The difference is, you fail to realize your own bigotry and accuse me of what you are equally guilty of.

Talk about an argument collapsing on itself. wahahaha

Sige na nga, Ill act like a genuine catholic na lang

Hay put@ naman kasi! Pati oras ko sa pagnonobena at parorosayo iniistorbo mo! Sipain kita talaga dyan pagkatapos ng last mystery na ito.

makisali lang..
ang church po na sinasabi, base sa pag kakaintindi ko at sa mga natutunan ko, ay hindi ang lugar o sambahan. pwede kaseng chuch na sambahan, o yung lugar. at pwede ding church na pagtitipon tipon ng mga katoliko na naniniwala sa turo ng Diyos at sa Diyos mismo. definition muna po sana bago ang logic. para mas malinaw.

kung ang definition ng church na sinasabi ni despisefafa este pappus e church na pagtitipon ng mga taong may iisang paniniwala, ibig po lamang sabihin nito ay walang kinalaman ang Diyos sa paglabas ng porno ayon sa logic mo.

alam ko din naman na may mga ilang pari na hindi naaayon sa kanilang tinuturo ang lumalabas sa kanilang aksyon o pananalita.. pero marami pa rin ang sagrado o tunay at tapat ang pananampalataya. ang punto lang e, baka pwede namang ihiwalay o i-specify kung sino o kanino nakatuon ang iyong galit. kung sasabihin mo na hipokrito, swapang at butakaw na simabahan, e pano naman yung mga tapat, at hindi nararapat na masabihan ng mga ganoong klase ng salita? para lang patas at malinaw.

wag ka mag alala, yung mga nabanggit mo na taliwas ang aksyon sa mga tinuturo nila e hindi naman sinusunod ng lahat ng katoliko yun. alam din naman namin kung ano ang mali at tama. napapa facepalm din ako pag sablay ang hirit ng mga taga CBCP o kung sino mang pari.

peace..

ano pala ibig sabihin ng butakaw?

[Dragonei]

makisali lang..
ang church po na sinasabi, base sa pag kakaintindi ko at sa mga natutunan ko, ay hindi ang lugar o sambahan. pwede kaseng chuch na sambahan, o yung lugar. at pwede ding church na pagtitipon tipon ng mga katoliko na naniniwala sa turo ng Diyos at sa Diyos mismo. definition muna po sana bago ang logic. para mas malinaw.

kung ang definition ng church na sinasabi ni despisefafa este pappus e church na pagtitipon ng mga taong may iisang paniniwala, ibig po lamang sabihin nito ay walang kinalaman ang Diyos sa paglabas ng porno ayon sa logic mo.

Logic nya, hindi logic ko. Papano magiging logic ko, samantalang siya itong nagpresent ng napakasweeping at narrow na definition ng kung ano ang church. Para sa kanya basta church involved ang dyos. Kanya yan nanggaling hindi sakin. Sinundan ko lang ang logic nya. Kung basta church involved ang dyos, eh di ibig sabihin pala dapat may kinalaman ang dyos sa porno na lumabas, the priest afterall was doing his supposed church duties.

Yan kasi ang hirap sa maraming pinoy na inuuto ng relihiyon nila (huwag ka magalala di naman kita sinasali dun). Hindi nila maihiwalay ang turo ni Jesus sa turo ng simbahan. Ni hindi nga nila alam kung ano pinagkaiba ng being spiritual at being religious lang. Kaya nga kaput@han yung sinasabi na dapat natin ipagmalaki na christian nation tayo. Bakit mo ipagmamalaki yun samantalang napakataas corruption index natin, andaming nagkalat na bastos na dvd sa bangketa, not to mention napakapathetic pa ng social justice sa atin. Anong Christian republic na kaput@han na pinagsasabi ng RCC?

alam ko din naman na may mga ilang pari na hindi naaayon sa kanilang tinuturo ang lumalabas sa kanilang aksyon o pananalita.. pero marami pa rin ang sagrado o tunay at tapat ang pananampalataya. ang punto lang e, baka pwede namang ihiwalay o i-specify kung sino o kanino nakatuon ang iyong galit. kung sasabihin mo na hipokrito, swapang at butakaw na simabahan, e pano naman yung mga tapat, at hindi nararapat na masabihan ng mga ganoong klase ng salita? para lang patas at malinaw.

wag ka mag alala, yung mga nabanggit mo na taliwas ang aksyon sa mga tinuturo nila e hindi naman sinusunod ng lahat ng katoliko yun. alam din naman namin kung ano ang mali at tama. napapa facepalm din ako pag sablay ang hirit ng mga taga CBCP o kung sino mang pari.

Naging fair naman ako, sabi ko nga di ba, yung congregation ni mother theresa masasabi kong nagpapatototoo sila sa aral ni Jesus. Tsaka talagang nakita ko na napakasimple nila mamuhay. Pero hindi ito ang nakikita ko sa pangkalahatan. Lalong lalo na sa mga pari natin. Kung may nagpapatotoo man, napakalimit na lang nito. Tulad ng binigay kong halimbawa halos lahat ng mga naglalakihang simbahan maraming mamahaling antigo, at sa labas nito dami daming pulubi na walang makain. Asan ang pagiging kristiano dun? Kaya pinaninindigan ko generalization ko. Yung mga ok na pari exemption sila rather than the rule itself.

Kaya tumiwalag ako sa RCC at di ko ito pinagsisihan. Mas naintindihan ko pa nga ang pagiging kristiano nung tinalikuran ko relihiyon ko. Hindi na yung gusto ni jesus yung sinusunod ko kasi kundi yung gusto lang ng CBCP. Ang pangigipit ng pari at pananakot nila ng bloody war sa mga nagsusulong ng RH bill ang pagpapatunay na di sila makatao.

peace..

ano pala ibig sabihin ng butakaw?

Butakaw ay tawag sa isang baboy na na masukasuka na nga sa dami ng kinain, lumalamon pa din. Maraming metaphors na kagaya nito ang ginamit nila Jose Rizal at Marcelo Del Pilar para isalarawan ang kahayupan at kawalangyahan ng mga prayle sa pilipinas.


Hindi mo masisi ang mga gaya ko na pinili na lang tumalikod sa relihiyon. Kung ang gobyerno nga pag madaming tiwali di na din pinagkakatiwalaan ng taong bayan.

[despisePappus]

Still the logic of this bigot stinks.

Me: Nakakahiya naman dun sa naglilingkod nang tapat sa simbahan.

Bigot: Ayan tama ka! Nagsilbi ng tapat sa simbahan! Hindi sa dyos! Sa isang hipokrito, swapang, at butakaw na simbahan na napakakapal ng mukha!

Me: The church involves a GOD
[for the sake of this bigot, the church is a community of people having one faith with GOD in the center... so definitely it involves a GOD]

Bigot: The porn playing had to involve a GOD. Nagmilagro ang Diyos para lumabas ang porno.

Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. I can post it 77 x 7 times but it won't fully express how terrible the thinking of this bigot.

The church involves a GOD, does it necessarily mean that what its members are doing should automatically involve a GOD or the POPE or the lay PEOPLE?

What type of fallacy is that again, bigot?

[despisePappus]

... and this thread is never about you bigot. Save your sob stories for other threads. Don't take away the limelight from the priest. Butakaw ka rin sa atensiyon eh.

This bigot is an attention-wh0re.

[Dragonei]

Not only this bigot has a failed logic, but he does have poor comprehension as well... Either that or he is fond of taking arguments out of context (as what he has gracefully shown to us in some other threads).

Fact: I said that when one church, it involves a GOD.

But this bigot took it out of context. So the porn was playing, what this bigot was trying to tell is that GOD was involved in playing the porno? That's terrible, right? I mean the way that this bigot thinks is terrible!

Ikaw ang naglagay ng context catholic boy hindi ako. You said when one talks about church it involves god di ba? Generalist at sweeping yung statement mo. I merely followed the context YOU set. Ngayon na the definition has collapsed in itself kasi ta-t@nga ***** kang pulpol na katiliko magset ng definition.


Me: THe church and god are two separate entities
You: NO when one speaks of the church god should be involved
Me: So the incident then involved god because it happened during a churchly duty by the officials of the church,
You: No it does not involve god of course
Me: But I thought you said church involves god
You: You are a bigot

O di ka na yata nagmumura ngayon? Naexpose kasi ang isang typical na catholic na napakahipokrito at ngayon sa name calling naman dinadaan.

Fact: This bigot spewed bigotry everywhere in this thread.

No this is not fact. Its an opinion. Bigotry itself is subjective

How can I spew bigotry in this thread? Bigotry is a state of being intolerant of other peoples opinion. In which case we all are. Duh!

Yan ang hirap sa mga dinadaan lang sa mga mapapalabok na salita. Throwing words like bigotry di naman alam how to take it in proper context. Sabagay kahit sarili mo ngang context nalilito lito ka.

Am I bigot by calling out his bigotry?

Did I even force my belief on this bigot?

The hell I care if he does not believe in catholic faith. This bigot can believe whatever he wants to believe.

But if he's a bigot, it is because he is a bigot. It is shown in this thread how he tried to flame catholics.

Maybe this bigot needs to review what does bigotry really mean.

Review your posts bigot and review the posts of catholics posting in this thread. Did we force our belief in you?

Wala na kahit sa pagsagot halatang nalilito na. Ni hindi na alam if I should be referred to in the first or third person. Eto ha this is dictionary definition.

bigotry |ˈbigətrē|
noun
bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself : the report reveals racism and right-wing bigotry. See note at bias .
ORIGIN late 17th cent.: from bigot , reinforced by French bigoterie.

Ayan, maliwanag. You dont need to force your own opinions on others to be a bigot. You only need to be intolerant of other peoples opinion.

And you name calling and cursing is already a clear indication of your intolerance to my opinion. Catholic hypocrisy at its finest.

The mere fact that your church wants to stop the passing of RH and Divorce bills shows their intolerance of having family beliefs different from theirs. Otherwise they should allow its passing without showing contempt, and let the people have the prerogative to avail the benefits of the law or follow their piece of sh!t teaching of your church .

Hoy! mga put@ng ina kayo, magdasal nga kayo at malapit na angelus.

[Dragonei]

Still the logic of this bigot stinks.

Me: Nakakahiya naman dun sa naglilingkod nang tapat sa simbahan.

Bigot: Ayan tama ka! Nagsilbi ng tapat sa simbahan! Hindi sa dyos! Sa isang hipokrito, swapang, at butakaw na simbahan na napakakapal ng mukha!

Me: The church involves a GOD
[for the sake of this bigot, the church is a community of people having one faith with GOD in the center... so definitely it involves a GOD]

Bigot: The porn playing had to involve a GOD. Nagmilagro ang Diyos para lumabas ang porno.

Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. I can post it 77 x 7 times but it won't fully express how terrible the thinking of this bigot.

The church involves a GOD, does it necessarily mean that what its members are doing should automatically involve a GOD or the POPE or the lay PEOPLE?

What type of fallacy is that again, bigot?

You tell me. Ikaw itong ta-t@nga t@nga gumawa ng sarili mong definition.

Sana ang sinabi mo kasi, "hindi dapat kastiguhin yung tapat na naglingkod sa dyos at sa tao".

On the onset, I was the one who was presenting a proposition that not all that church officials are doing (i.e. priests) are within the teachings of christianity vis a vis god. Tapos hihirit ka ng ah hindi basta church involved god. Ikaw gumawa sarili mong fallacy. And spare me. Anyone who has been a student of logic knows that its almost impossible to create a non-fallacious argument.

[despisePappus]

Oh so? Am I intolerant to your bigotry by calling you a bigot?

I have been OK with believers and non-believers. But your kind is different. The hatred that you exude is like madness.

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Review first your logic before you analyze my posts. It cringes me reading your logical inconsistencies and how you twist them to fit your failed reasoning.

To help you: If one entity, say X, involves many components including say A. Does it mean that if one component B does something, it involves A? The moment you find an answer, that's the cue for you to cover your face out of shame.

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hopefully after this page, we will not be hearing about your sob stories, ok?

we're interested more with the priest.

[Dragonei]

... and this thread is never about you bigot. Save your sob stories for other threads. Don't take away the limelight from the priest. Butakaw ka rin sa atensiyon eh.

This bigot is an attention-wh0re.

Sure Im the attention-wh0re,

Kaya pala for like 7 to 8 hours kahapon umupo ka lang sa PC mo at inubos mo mga 6 na pages kakadebate sa kabilang thread. Again nahuli nanaman kahipokritohan. Alam mo tinuro din ni Jesus na huwag kang pupuna ng dumi ng bakuran ng ibang tao kung sarili mong bakuran hindi malinis.

I was gonna ask pa sana if you actually got some work done kahapon or if you do have work at all. Office hours ka pa kasi nakikipagdiskusyun without pause.

And in the very first place, youre the one who asked for my attention when you reacted to my post and started name-calling me.

And speaking of which I got a real-life to attend to, kaya enjoy the threads, catholic boy.

[despisePappus]

You tell me. Ikaw itong ta-t@nga t@nga gumawa ng sarili mong definition.

Sana ang sinabi mo kasi, "hindi dapat kastiguhin yung tapat na naglingkod sa dyos at sa tao".

On the onset, I was the one who was presenting a proposition that not all that church officials are doing (i.e. priests) are within the teachings of christianity vis a vis god. Tapos hihirit ka ng ah hindi basta church involved god. Ikaw gumawa sarili mong fallacy. And spare me. Anyone who has been a student of logic knows that its almost impossible to create a non-fallacious argument.

You tell me. Ikaw itong bigot na mahirap umitindi ng arguments.

Talaga lang ah, on the onset di mo nilalahat... parang hindi yata ganun ang gusto mong ipahiwatig sa post na ito.

Yun na nga eh. Ako din I believe in the teachings of christ, pero hindi na turo ni kristo ang nagiging katuturan ng mga ginagawa nila. Kahit yung mga mismong nagpapalakad ng simbahan napakalayo na ng life-style nila sa example na pinakita ni Jesus. Kaya papano ko magagawang maniwala pa sa mga kaput@hang aral nila?

And please spare me your crap. If you have done your research well enough you would know that a church is composed of people having the same faith and of a GOD. The church cannot stand without people or a GOD. Palpak kang bigot ka!

But that does not necessarily mean that whatever happens in the church, or whatever a member of it does, would mean that the whole church has done it or guilty of it. Ang kasalanan ni Pedro ay di kasalanan ni Juan, bigot!

[despisePappus]

Sure Im the attention-wh0re,

Kaya pala for like 7 to 8 hours kahapon umupo ka lang sa PC mo at inubos mo mga 6 na pages kakadebate sa kabilang thread. Again nahuli nanaman kahipokritohan. Alam mo tinuro din ni Jesus na huwag kang pupuna ng dumi ng bakuran ng ibang tao kung sarili mong bakuran hindi malinis.

I was gonna ask pa sana if you actually got some work done kahapon or if you do have work at all. Office hours ka pa kasi nakikipagdiskusyun without pause.

And in the very first place, youre the one who asked for my attention when you reacted to my post and started name-calling me.

And speaking of which I got a real-life to attend to, kaya enjoy the threads, catholic boy.

I just called-out your bigotry, bigot.

And your definition of being an attention-wh0re is awesome.

Good thing that we will never hear of your sob stories again... we can now go back to the topic. SA WAKAS!

[Dragonei]

Oh so? Am I intolerant to your bigotry by calling you a bigot?

I have been OK with believers and non-believers. But your kind is different. The hatred that you exude is like madness.

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And I am a bigot because I think your religion is a piece of sh!t? Yeah I am insane for hating your piece of sh!t religion. But I dont suffer from this insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.

Review first your logic before you analyze my posts. It cringes me reading your logical inconsistencies and how you twist them to fit your failed reasoning.

To help you: If one entity, say X, involves many components including say A. Does it mean that if one component B does something, it involves A? The moment you find an answer, that's the cue for you to cover your face out of shame.

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And this is precisely the reason why I wanna do one more post for the road.

X= Church
A= god.

Me:The church and god are two separate entities. Just because you serve the church does not mean you serve god.
You: NO! the church involves god, its a part of it.

So who committed the fallacy? I never assumed that the church and god are inseparable, you did. Its you who should cover your face in shame. Oh wait...... You are the one not showing your face. And my face is right there in my avatar.

hopefully after this page, we will not be hearing about your sob stories, ok?

we're interested more with the priest.

If you are not interested in my sob stories why do you bother to keep reacting to it? You reacted then obviously that means you gave it some interest doesnt it? If you were more interested in the priest then you should have overlooked what I said and just commented on the incident.

O ano na? Wasak na wasak na? Daanin na lang sa name calling bigot bigot bigot. Alam mo sabi nga sa christian teaching for every finger you point, three point back at you. But I understand you have to keep saying bigot bigot bigot, kesa naman magmura ka masasabihan ka naman na hipokrito.

So Im an attention-wh0re for posting sob stories about priests and being a bigot, while you are not for sitting 7-strainght hours debating non stop on the other thread. But if its a choice? Id rather be the attention-wh0re than the bum who has nothing better to do during 7-straight office hours.

[feb1010]

Logic nya, hindi logic ko. Papano magiging logic ko, samantalang siya itong nagpresent ng napakasweeping at narrow na definition ng kung ano ang church. Para sa kanya basta church involved ang dyos. Kanya yan nanggaling hindi sakin. Sinundan ko lang ang logic nya. Kung basta church involved ang dyos, eh di ibig sabihin pala dapat may kinalaman ang dyos sa porno na lumabas, the priest afterall was doing his supposed church duties.

sinundan mo nga ang logic niya, pero tingin ko e mali ang naging interpretation mo. isa yun sa tingin kong dahilan kung bakit hindi kayo nagkakasundo. sabi ko nga, ang church ay hindi lang ang lugar ng sambahan, o mga gawain pang relihiyon. kaya ko ko idiniin na definition muna bago ang logic, at lalong definition muna, bago ang interpretation. para walang maling pag intindi.

Yan kasi ang hirap sa maraming pinoy na inuuto ng relihiyon nila (huwag ka magalala di naman kita sinasali dun). Hindi nila maihiwalay ang turo ni Jesus sa turo ng simbahan. Ni hindi nga nila alam kung ano pinagkaiba ng being spiritual at being religious lang. Kaya nga kaput@han yung sinasabi na dapat natin ipagmalaki na christian nation tayo. Bakit mo ipagmamalaki yun samantalang napakataas corruption index natin, andaming nagkalat na bastos na dvd sa bangketa, not to mention napakapathetic pa ng social justice sa atin. Anong Christian republic na kaput@han na pinagsasabi ng RCC?

parang ang labo. inuuto ba? o baka dapat e nauuto? malaki ang pinag kaiba nun. sa ganyang sagot mo, kahit isali mo ako dun, e hindi ako ang binabatikos mo.

aprub naman ako sa ilang nasabi mo. hipokrito ang ibang kristyano.. pero hindi ang relihiyong kristyano. dahil hindi kasama sa turo ng RCC ang maging hipokrito. sa mga sinasabi mo e, nilalahat mo pa rin e. yun ang hindi ko nagugustuhan.

Naging fair naman ako, sabi ko nga di ba, yung congregation ni mother theresa masasabi kong nagpapatototoo sila sa aral ni Jesus. Tsaka talagang nakita ko na napakasimple nila mamuhay. Pero hindi ito ang nakikita ko sa pangkalahatan. Lalong lalo na sa mga pari natin. Kung may nagpapatotoo man, napakalimit na lang nito. Tulad ng binigay kong halimbawa halos lahat ng mga naglalakihang simbahan maraming mamahaling antigo, at sa labas nito dami daming pulubi na walang makain. Asan ang pagiging kristiano dun? Kaya pinaninindigan ko generalization ko. Yung mga ok na pari exemption sila rather than the rule itself.

pagkatapos mo sabihing k@putahan ng RCC biglang may ganito? hipokrito ang RCC, pwera kila sisters. fair ba talaga 'to? siguro kila sisters lang.

pero ang mga call center agents na nasabihan ng mayabang e naging patas ka sa kanila, dahil sabi mo nga, di man eksakto, ang 100 nakita mong mayabang na call center agents e hindi magiging representante ng 1,000 call center agents. kung patas ka sa iba, mas ok kung patas ka ng pag tingin sa lahat. kaya sasabihin ko din na, kung sino sino man ang mga pari na nagpabago ng pananaw mo, hindi po sila ang representante ng karamihan. laking simbahan po ako. sa kumbento ako tumira sa loob ng halos 10 years. hindi lang isang kumbento ang inikutan ko, kundi higit pa sa lima. kaya masasabi kong hindi karamihan ang mga nasaksihan mo.

Kaya tumiwalag ako sa RCC at di ko ito pinagsisihan. Mas naintindihan ko pa nga ang pagiging kristiano nung tinalikuran ko relihiyon ko. Hindi na yung gusto ni jesus yung sinusunod ko kasi kundi yung gusto lang ng CBCP. Ang pangigipit ng pari at pananakot nila ng bloody war sa mga nagsusulong ng RH bill ang pagpapatunay na di sila makatao.

congrats, at mas nahanap mo yung tunay mong pananampalataya. yan naman ang isa sa mga kasiyahan sa buhay. ok yan.
RH bill, iba iba din ang pananaw ng mga katoliko jan.. at maraming sablay ang CBCP ukol jan.

Butakaw ay tawag sa isang baboy na na masukasuka na nga sa dami ng kinain, lumalamon pa din. Maraming metaphors na kagaya nito ang ginamit nila Jose Rizal at Marcelo Del Pilar para isalarawan ang kahayupan at kawalangyahan ng mga prayle sa pilipinas.

salamat sa definition. gagamitin ko yan minsan..

Hindi mo masisi ang mga gaya ko na pinili na lang tumalikod sa relihiyon. Kung ang gobyerno nga pag madaming tiwali di na din pinagkakatiwalaan ng taong bayan.

hindi kita sisisihin, mas ok nga at nakita mo na yung maayos na relasyon mo sa Diyos.
gaya din ng relihiyon, tao ang sumira sa gobyerno.. hindi sila tinuruan ng gobyerno na maging ganid, pero ganun ang ginawa nila..

mananatili ang punto ko, kung ano mang kasamaan ang nabuo sa pagkatao ng isang relihiyoso ay hindi relihiyon ang nag tulak sa kanya na gawin yun. tukso, pagka ganid, inggit, kasamaan at marami pang iba, lahat ito ay hindi turo ng simbahan. hipokrito ang tao, hindi ang RCC.

kung ang mga pulis nababadtrip sa pang gegeneralize sa kanila (buwaya ng kalsada), katoliko pa kaya.

[bagiw.boi]

50%, or half of the catholic clergy are gay?


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Gay priest fearful ahead of memoirs publication

By Nick Bramhill
Tuesday, April 10, 2012

A priest fears he will be defrocked after his explosive memoirs, containing intimate details of a 14-year marriage to another gay man, are published next month.

Fr Bernard Lynch, who is openly gay and thinks gay priests make up 50% of the Catholic clergy, discloses for the first time his relationship with fellow Irishman Billy Desmond in his forthcoming autobiography.

The 64-year-old from Ennis, Co Clare, has been at loggerheads with Vatican superiors since the 1980s when he became one of the first Catholic clerics to give his public support to people dying from Aids-related illnesses.

The furore that followed, including a probe by the FBI, forced Lynch — who has been a member of the Society of African Missionaries for 42 years — to relocate from his New York base to London, where he still resides and where his duties include counselling gay priests.

But he has remained a thorn in the side of Vatican chiefs ever since, not least for his vehement support of gay priests which flies in the face of a Church which has described homosexuality as "intrinsically flawed".

He admitted he is certain to face the axe from his religious order when his book, containing frank details about his gay relationship, is published.

"I know they are having a problem. They have told me so. I am under investigation. The Vatican has already told them to get rid of me."

However, Fr Lynch has vowed to continue his priesthood, even if he loses his official title.

"A priest is a priest for people. I believe that the priesthood, like my baptism, is an indelible mark on my soul, so I will always be a priest."

And at the forefront of his work will be his duties counselling gay priests, who he thinks make up 50% of the Catholic clergy.

He also says he will not back down on his forthright opinions on strict celibacy rules and anger at the Vatican’s failure to deal with sex abuse scandals.

"To me, a lot of the abuse of children by priests in the Church is a result and consequence of sexually arrested development in priests.

"It is not paedophilia, and that is not to take from the crime and the terrible hard done to children in this way.

"When you go into seminary at 14 or 16, you are arrested in your sexual development. From that time on, everything sexual is sin.

"Sex is really not integrated in the way normal boys and girls do as they grow up. As so priests stop growing sexually. And when they start growing again at the ripe old age of 50, they start off where they left off, as a 14-year-old looking for 14-year-olds."

He also hit out at the irony of a Church, which as he sees it has a large number of closeted gay clergy in its ranks, which publicly condemns homosexuality.

"I can go into confession and say I have been in every sauna and bath-house and sex club in London 10 times a week and I can get absolved for my sins, but if I go in and say, ‘I have been in love with a man for 19 years, married for 14’, there’s no absolution. That’s the sickness of the Church."

lIf It Wasn’t Love: Sex, Death and God, by Bernard Lynch, will be published by Circle Books on May 25.


source: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...#ixzz1rkWGEYAR