Chief Justice Corona Impeachment Thread 4

[admiral__cidric]

Kung wala kang itinatago, ano naman ngayon kung pagpiyestahan kang tanungin ng mga senador?

kung wala talagang itinatago, walang mapipiga ang senado.

Ang problema dito ay kung meron!

[Slime_maker2]

yawn. he doesn't understand it but he thinks he's cute. har har har

CJ is a position that can only be removed due to impeachment. RA 6713, a mere law, is subordinate to the 87 Consitution. Consti enumerates which public officers can be removed only due to impeachment.

mag-aral ka muna ng law para makaintindi ka. har har har Constitution

*yawn*

Republic Act No. 6713

http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repa...6713_1989.html

(A) Statements of Assets and Liabilities and Financial Disclosure. - ALL PUBLIC OFFICIALS and employees, except those who serve in an honorary capacity, laborers and casual or temporary workers, shall file under oath their Statement of Assets, Liabilities and Net Worth ......

.... Penalties. - (a) Any public official or employee, regardless of whether or not he holds office or employment in a casual, temporary, holdover, permanent or regular capacity, committing any violation of this Act shall be punished with a fine not exceeding the equivalent of six (6) months' salary or suspension not exceeding one (1) year, or removal depending on the gravity of the offense after due notice and hearing by the appropriate body or agency........


The law does not distinguish between an impeachable and non-impeachable position. Basta public official kasama sa law.

Now, if a lowly government employee was removed from office because of non-declaration of market stall, then a high level official can be removed from office because of non-declaration of assets.

[Slime_maker2]

*yawn*

Republic Act No. 6713

http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repa...6713_1989.html

(A) Statements of Assets and Liabilities and Financial Disclosure. - ALL PUBLIC OFFICIALS and employees, except those who serve in an honorary capacity, laborers and casual or temporary workers, shall file under oath their Statement of Assets, Liabilities and Net Worth ......

.... Penalties. - (a) Any public official or employee, regardless of whether or not he holds office or employment in a casual, temporary, holdover, permanent or regular capacity, committing any violation of this Act shall be punished with a fine not exceeding the equivalent of six (6) months' salary or suspension not exceeding one (1) year, or removal depending on the gravity of the offense after due notice and hearing by the appropriate body or agency........


The law does not distinguish between an impeachable and non-impeachable position. Basta public official kasama sa law.

Now, if a lowly government employee was removed from office because of non-declaration of market stall, then a high level official can be removed from office because of non-declaration of assets.

yawn. he doesn't understand it at all but he thinks he's cute. har har har

opinion mo lang iyan at maling opinion pa. here's why-

CJ is a position that can only be removed due to impeachment. RA 6713, a mere law, is subordinate to the 87 Consitution. Consti enumerates which public officers can be removed only due to impeachment and on what grounds. Kaunti lang iyan. Kahit nakalagay iyong na-cite mo sa Code of Public Conduct, hindi mo pa rin ma-remove ang Chief Justice dahil diyan kasi hindi iyan kasama sa list of impeachable offenses under sa Consitution.

mag-aral ka muna ng law para makaintindi ka. har har har

[Slime_maker2]

^ And where does it say that errors in the SALN constitute culpable violation of the constitution? Wala. kung may problema ka at gusto mong maging impeachable ground, eh di ipa-amend mo ang Constitution. har har har

[despisePappus]

So errors in the SALNs are enough reason to impeach CORONA?

Under what grounds sargo?

Pray tell cite a provision in the constitution to support your claim. Also, please cite what type of errors.

[kuroihikari]

I find it a relief that the defense has finally agreed to put the CJ on the stand. I think they were just waiting for the appropriate timing. If they did not put the CJ on the stand, it would have been their second move I didn't like (the first one being the whining about the pork barrel bribe).

I also find it hilarious how the anti-Corona commentators are now suddenly on the "$10M is irrelevant to the impeachment case" side of the fence, especially after the CJ said that he wanted the Ombudsman to testify to it under oath.

Ika nga ni sink at ni admiral_cidric, "Ano ba mawawala kung wala namang tinatago?"

[guessst]

malapit ng magkaalaman if sino ba talaga ang nagsasabi ng totoo between the two camps... buti naman if nagdecide na talaga si corona na maupo sa hotseat... yan ang inaabangan nating lahat eh...

btw/ hindi ba may dare si mr. quimpopot na if ever maupo sa hotseat si corona ay sya mismo ang mag cross examine sa kanya or si tupal ba yun?

[HeadBaker]

^^^ This is my take on the SALN:

If a government official cannot be removed from office because of discrepancies on the SALN, then what use is the SALN for?

Ex: PNOY declared P1m in his SALN but actually has P50M. Then he should be removed from office. Or can he claim that this is just an "error"?

If all discrepancies are considered merely errors and not a reason to remove corrupt officials from office, eh di lusot na lahat ng corrupt.

Besides, a government employee was already removed from office, partly because he did not declare a market stall. There is already precedent.

[HeadBaker]

^ And where does it say that errors in the SALN constitute culpable violation of the constitution? Wala. The requirement to file the SALN isn't even in the Constitution. kung may problema ka at gusto mong maging impeachable ground, eh di ipa-amend mo ang Constitution. har har har

Section 8 of Republic Act No. 6713 provides that it is the “obligation” of an employee to submit a sworn statement, as the “public has a right to know” the employee’s assets, liabilities, net worth and financial and business interests. Section 11 of the same law prescribes the criminal and administrative penalty for violation of any provision thereof. Paragraph (b) of Section 11 provides that “(b) Any violation hereof proven in a proper administrative proceeding shall be sufficient cause for removal or dismissal of a public official or employee, even if no criminal prosecution is instituted against him.”

You guys are avoiding the question. How come it is so bad for a lowly government official to be removed from office because of non-declaration of asset but for a higher official like Corona, it is not bad enough to be removed from office?

I am not saying that Corona is guilty. The defense has not laid out all its facts yet. However, I do believe that the law should be fair to all filipinos and not just the wealthy and powerful.

Now, where is it in the constitution that says Corona is exempted from the penalty of non-declaration of assets?

[HeadBaker]

^ And where does it say that errors in the SALN constitute culpable violation of the constitution? Wala. The requirement to file the SALN isn't even in the Constitution. kung may problema ka at gusto mong maging impeachable ground, eh di ipa-amend mo ang Constitution. har har har

Section 8 of Republic Act No. 6713 provides that it is the “obligation” of an employee to submit a sworn statement, as the “public has a right to know” the employee’s assets, liabilities, net worth and financial and business interests. Section 11 of the same law prescribes the criminal and administrative penalty for violation of any provision thereof. Paragraph (b) of Section 11 provides that “(b) Any violation hereof proven in a proper administrative proceeding shall be sufficient cause for removal or dismissal of a public official or employee, even if no criminal prosecution is instituted against him.”

You guys are avoiding the question. How come it is so bad for a lowly government official to be removed from office because of non-declaration of asset but for a higher official like Corona, it is not bad enough to be removed from office?

I am not saying that Corona is guilty. The defense has not laid out all its facts yet. However, I do believe that the law should be fair to all filipinos and not just the wealthy and powerful.

Now, where is it in the constitution that says Corona is exempted from the penalty of non-declaration of assets?

[HeadBaker]

na post ko na ito earlier but the server put it at the wrong place so to get it right, am posting it again



yawn. he doesn't understand it at all but he thinks he's cute. har har har

opinion mo lang iyan at maling opinion pa. here's why-

CJ is a position that can only be removed due to impeachment. RA 6713, a mere law, is subordinate to the 87 Consitution. Consti enumerates which public officers can be removed only due to impeachment and on what grounds. Kaunti lang iyan. Kahit nakalagay iyong na-cite mo sa Code of Public Conduct, hindi mo pa rin ma-remove ang Chief Justice dahil diyan kasi hindi iyan kasama sa list of impeachable offenses under sa Consitution.

mag-aral ka muna ng law para makaintindi ka. har har har

Section 8 of Republic Act No. 6713 provides that it is the “obligation” of an employee to submit a sworn statement, as the “public has a right to know” the employee’s assets, liabilities, net worth and financial and business interests. Section 11 of the same law prescribes the criminal and administrative penalty for violation of any provision thereof. Paragraph (b) of Section 11 provides that “(b) Any violation hereof proven in a proper administrative proceeding shall be sufficient cause for removal or dismissal of a public official or employee, even if no criminal prosecution is instituted against him.”

You guys are avoiding the question. How come it is so bad for a lowly government official to be removed from office because of non-declaration of asset but for a higher official like Corona, it is not bad enough to be removed from office?

I am not saying that Corona is guilty. The defense has not laid out all its facts yet. However, I do believe that the law should be fair to all filipinos and not just the wealthy and powerful.

Now, where is it in the constitution that says Corona is exempted from the penalty of non-declaration of assets?

Let's put it in another way. The SALN was implemented to catch corrupt officials. Correct?

So how come (by your interpretation) the chief justice does not need to put the correct information in his SALN? He doesn't even need to submit his SALN and he will not be punished whereas lowly employees will get the sack.

The rules should be interpreted in such a way that it will be fair to all and not just to the powerful.

[HeadBaker]

test. pex is acting up.

[valarc]

Walden Bello, Risa Hontiveros and Harvey Keh: Hugas Kamay Dance over 10 Million Corona Dollars.

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Regarding the "hugas-kamay" song and dance by the multi-million $ accusers, Harvey Keh, lead convenor of Kaya Natin Movement, now says he was just an “emissary” of the fat envelope containing 50 pages of supposed documents on those accounts, which he personally delivered at the office of SP Enrile. Keh publicly said he just saw the envelope of docus on his table, and obviously he didn’t think twice about delivering it to JPE. Yesterday's paper reported that Keh is saying he doubted the authenticity of the docus and that the whole thing may even be "a prank." OMG, but you have already maligned the reputation of another person!

JPE had the good sense not to share the contents with the prosecution at the trial, who were asking for copies. He argued that he did not want to be party to any possible crime (as Sen. Miriam Santiago pointed out weeks back, possession of documents or even mere inquiry into someone’s foreign-denominated accounts could be criminally liable under the Foreign Currency Deposits Act.

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Harvey Keh’s fairy tale completes the trilogy with the tale of the “little lady,” the ghost delivery of docus at Rep. Banal’s gate on a rainy night and earlier, the spurious list of 45 properties from LRA, etc., etc. Sirang sira si Harvey Keh sa issue na ito, and the tragedy is that no one now can take the Kaya Natin Movement seriously, which counts with such advocates of good governance as Grace Padaca, Among Ed Panlilio and Jess Lorenzo.

Former Rep. Risa Hontiveros now says she never claimed in her complaint that the CJ had $10 million in his accounts, never mind if she went to town with such allegation. Now Rep.Walden Bello swears he's "clueless" about it. But why did he affix his signature in one of the complaints? Was it forged? If so, note observers, Bello should complain to the president of his party, Presidential Political Adviser Ronald Llamas, who's reported to be behind the multi-million $ plot vs. CJ.

[sargo]

So errors in the SALNs are enough reason to impeach CORONA?

Under what grounds sargo?

Pray tell cite a provision in the constitution to support your claim. Also, please cite what type of errors.

yes. lol

the trial is so way past those constitutional and law issues. tapos na yan, nasagot na yan, the trial is already at the mid point for crying out loud.

you need to read about the case if you are still on those issues. ang daming kulang sa kaalaman mo.

[anticorruption]

How the Ombudsman got access to CJ's account???

From rapplerdotcom:

The Statement of Assets, Liabilities, and Net Worth (SALN) is not only a
document that requires

public officials to declare their assets. It is
also a waiver allowing the Office of the Ombudsman to

verify
declarations by the same public officials. At the back of the form, a paragraph on top of a

filer's signature reads:

"I hereby authorize the Ombudsman or his duly representative to obtain
and secure from all appropriate government agencies, including the
Bureau of Internal Revenue, such documents that may show my assets,
liabilities, net worth, business interests, and financial connections to
include those of my spouse and unmarried children below 18 years of age
living with me in my household covering past years to include the year I
first assumed office in government."

The Ombudsman gets access to the bank records—peso and dollar
accounts—of public officials

not directly from the banks themselves but
through the Anti-Money Laundering Council (AMLC).


this will be the end for the corona and arroyo dynasty

[anticorruption]

corona's first major mistake this week - Try to convince the judges that there is no impeachable case against him and therefore no need to personally testify....WRONG - the senate instead smoked him out to submission to testify.....

corona's second major mistake this week - try to prove the ownership of Basa.... WRONG - while they may have proven ownership, they also proved what people have been assuming long ago about his immoral character not fit for the judiciary....Even giving that the Basas did commit libel against him, the punishment that they received was "cruel and unusual" - just imagine, a liability worth P500K was paid by selling the company worth at the very least P34M for only P28K? How cruel can they get??

corona's third major mistake of the week (and the most costly) - make a condition to subpoena the ombudsman before corona testify in court. Corona was expecting the ombudsman to file an objection the way de lima did....WRONG - the ombudsman CALLED his bluff

What's next mr corona??


Omb Morales, in an interview by media, appeared to be raring to testify at the senate impeachment trial ! Kung wala siyang "hawak" she will start being defensive and evasive - - - unfortunately for the Corona Team, their bluff was called ! TINGNAN NATIN KUNG SINO ANG AATRAS !

[Yitzchak]

yes. lol

the trial is so way past those constitutional and law issues. tapos na yan, nasagot na yan, the trial is already at the mid point for crying out loud.

you need to read about the case if you are still on those issues. ang daming kulang sa kaalaman mo.

Anong sagot yan? Trying to evade the question by changing the subject.

Isa kang patawa talaga.

[sargo]

corona appearing in court is his last shot, a last ditch desperation attempt at getting a non conviction.

it is also a death wish, a suicide attempt that will be aired live on tv.

[blue_tracer]

De Lima too busy to testify

http://www.manilatimes.net/index.php...usy-to-testify

ows? na-busy kaagad. samantalang noong unang mag testify parang ang daldal niya sobra.


samantala nagbubunga na po ang sobrang pagtutok ng ating national henyo kay corona:

Self-rated poverty surges by 2 M families - SWS

MANILA, Philippines - The number of Filipino families who consider themselves poor grew by two million in the last three months, a survey by the Social Weather Stations (SWS) revealed.

The poll, conducted from March 10 to 13, found 55 percent of the respondents (about 11.1 million families) claiming to be “mahirap” or poor, 10 points higher than the 45 percent or 9.1 million households registered in December last year.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

SWS: 4.8 M families experience hunger

MANILA, Philippines - An estimated 4.8 million families said they experienced hunger at least once in the past three months, the latest Social Weather Stations (SWS) survey showed.

The survey conducted among 1,200 respondents from March 10 to 13 found 23.8 percent of the respondents experiencing hunger, higher than the 22.5 percent (4.5 million families) in the survey last December.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=63

Philippine mining investments fall sharply

MANILA, Philippines—Investments in the Philippines’ mining industry fell 35 percent last year after the government stopped issuing new permits, officials said Monday.

http://business.inquirer.net/58007/p...s-fall-sharply


mindanao power supply continues to drop.. tsk.

all that matters now is corona. nothing else.

[vonrichtoffen]

^ wasn't that what you wanted all along? now it's a last ditch desperation attempt. be consistent.