Chief Justice Corona Impeachment Thread 4

[havoc_0785]

ano pong mga paninira ang linabas nya?, on the contrary parang yung prosecution ang nag labas ng mga paninira, 45 properties down to ilan?,

the courts are ruled by the rule of law

Tapos na ang usapan na iyon kung hindi naopen ang impeachment hearing na ito may lalabas ba na mga ganung evidence against him?? lumilitaw lang lahat kaya kung ano ano na ang paninira ang ilalabas niya...hindi niya expected na magkakaganito..kala niya matutulad ang hearing sa isang court na ruled on technicality....

on the contrary, i believe that CJ Corona expected it somehow, remember that the presentation of Ombudsman Morales et al was a condition precedent before offering himself as a witness? and that he categorically stated that he does not have $10M?

as for the testimony of the Ombudsman, her proof was a document coming from a government agency (AMLC) which was subjected to interpretations (COA).

On the question as to whether she verified it or not, well i believe that it is a material and relevant question owing to the fact that the prosecutors ALSO relied on an official document from yet another government agency (LRA) and was later on, as we all know,debunked by the defense. (from 45 to merely 4-5 properties which were duly stated in the CJ's SALN)

[sharp94]

corona's twisted defense is analogous to this:

"I just raped 5 young girls, not 20---so please free me!"

"I just stole P100,000, not P1,000,000----so set me free, I'm innocent!"

It's not the quantity, stupid!

then prove it, yun lang naman ang sinasabi namin, and if proven then convict him, if its impeachable then impeach him,

wag naman yung panay accusations lang, unverified documents etc,

ikaw ba bossing pag sinabi ng small lady na nang rape ka nang rape ka na?

[despisePappus]

corona's twisted defense is analogous to this:

"I just raped 5 young girls, not 20---so please free me!"

"I just stole P100,000, not P1,000,000----so set me free, I'm innocent!"

It's not the quantity, stupid!

This is a faulty analogy. Nobody said here that if Corona plundered half a million, or 500K, or 100K or 10k, he should not be convicted. It is not about the quantity. It is all about the process.

An error in SALN does not mean that there was really an anomaly. It could be a honest mistake, or that he was misguided.

The prosecution failed to prove that there was plunder or graft and corruption. First, it was not alleged in the impeachment complaint. Second, now they are banking on the premise that Corona could be impeached because of betrayal of public trust.

Committing errors in SALN is not an impeachable offense. Nowhere you can find it in the constitution.

Is it betrayal of public trust? How so?

Is it graft and corruption? The prosecution cannot present evidence on this because of their ill-prepared impeachment complaint... but so far, they really have tried to imply this in the course of the trial but unsuccessful. Only the unlearned and emotionally attached will believe that based on evidence, Corona is evil.

[sargo]

corona's twisted defense is analogous to this:

"I just raped 5 young girls, not 20---so please free me!"

"I just stole P100,000, not P1,000,000----so set me free, I'm innocent!"

It's not the quantity, stupid!

hahaha. yes that's an excellent analogy.

as senator enrile has said, even if its $1, point is was it declared in his SALN.

it will take only 1 property and 1 $ account that is undeclared fir corona to be convicted.

[sargo]

kaya nga po sir... pero since yan ang pinapalutang nila eh di sagutin na rin para magka alaman... save time pa para sa next years impeachment na mukhang malabo kung sakaling ma acquit si corona kasi nga busy na ang mga persecutors sa pangangampanya nila during thaht time unless pilitin sila ulit ni boss

corona could have answered these through a press conference, no need for a testimony in court. at that time, it was just a published newspaper report. chismis lang yun.

but corona's lawyers brought it up in open court making it then as part of the trial. until that time, it was not part of the trial.

[rogac1ano]

Look who's stupid now.

It was never about the numbers but rather facts.

Your analogy reflects how the likes of you sees this trial... "that the CJ is already guilty". No need to listen to whatever the defense says and shows. How bias... tsk tsk.

It's the Corona camp that has been dishing that stupidity, particularly on the LRA's certification of 45 properties which, Corona's lawyers said are only 5 properties.

So who's talking about numbers as if reducing it to half would make any difference?

Remember, TJ Corona has been very strident that the dollar accounts are non-existent, phony.

Buking, ahihihi!!!

[despisePappus]

Santiago and Arroyo both raised a question - how big an error in the SALN to consider such as betrayal of public trust and an impeachable offense?

The prosecution could not give a good answer.

[rogac1ano]

This is a faulty analogy. Nobody said here that if Corona plundered half a million, or 500K, or 100K or 10k, he should not be convicted. It is not about the quantity. It is all about the process.

An error in SALN does not mean that there was really an anomaly. It could be a honest mistake, or that he was misguided.

The prosecution failed to prove that there was plunder or graft and corruption. First, it was not alleged in the impeachment complaint. Second, now they are banking on the premise that Corona could be impeached because of betrayal of public trust.

Committing errors in SALN is not an impeachable offense. Nowhere you can find it in the constitution.

Is it betrayal of public trust? How so?

Is it graft and corruption? The prosecution cannot present evidence on this because of their ill-prepared impeachment complaint... but so far, they really have tried to imply this in the course of the trial but unsuccessful. Only the unlearned and emotionally attached will believe that based on evidence, Corona is evil.

Hindi pa ba kayo nakakaintindi sa sinabi ni Manong Johnny?

JPE said---"If you think there is no case presented here, then that's your problem."

Hay juice ko, penge naman.

[sargo]

Santiago and Arroyo both raised a question - how big an error in the SALN to consider such as betrayal of public trust and an impeachable offense?

The prosecution could not give a good answer.

enrile gave an answer recently - it does not matter that the amount is $1 or $1M, the question is if it was declared or not in the SALN.

[Yitzchak]

It's the Corona camp that has been dishing that stupidity, particularly on the LRA's certification of 45 properties which, Corona's lawyers said are only 5 properties.

So who's talking about numbers as if reducing it to half would make any difference?

Remember, TJ Corona has been very strident that the dollar accounts are non-existent, phony.

Buking, ahihihi!!!

The prosecution accused of 45 properties.... of course the defense will say what is true which is 5.

But was it about reducing the numbers? No, it was about establishing the fact that there are only really 5 properties and these are declared in CJ's SALN.

Again, you've been hearing wrong. The general statement was the $10M doesn't exist... which does not necessarily mean there was no dollar account but rather no such amount exist.

Mukhang ikaw ang nabisto na hindi nakikinig at nakaka intindi.

[sharp94]

Hindi pa ba kayo nakakaintindi sa sinabi ni Manong Johnny?

JPE said---"If you think there is no case presented here, then that's your problem."

Hay juice ko, penge naman.

kaya nga bossing eh, if hes convicted then ok convict him, if its and impeachable offense impeach him, diba

the question is na prove ba,

tulad ng tanong ko kanina, pag sinabi ba ng small lady na nang rape ka nang rape ka na?

[LITHIUM478]

Oh there is no problem with the LAW..the problem is if those laws are being bended just because he is the magistrate...si pnoy ba may kakayahan na baguhin or baliin ang batas? sa kay pnoy ba ang capability to make decisions and clout the judiciary?? now that the law is being used against the CJ the pro corona's keep saying that its unconstitutional....what the heck!!!Ill go for pnoy rather than corona anytime...the man is not as corrupt and ill moraled as your CJ is....bakit hindi mo sabihan si corona na ibalik sa mga basa ang BGEI????

Yes it was the cory regime but who is in power for the last 9 years? The position is only as good as who sits on it so please spare me the lecture of the creation of the law etc..there is nothing wrong with the law its those people that manipulates it that is....til now ginagamit niyang shield ang narvasa order about the declaration of the SALN ng mga magistrates..bakit hindi nila yan i overrule to show the transparency of the judiciary...they dont need a congress law pass for that....

I have to agree with the posters here, that you are too stupid to understand laws, rules and procedures. In any case, let me continue to educate you, still hoping may matutunan ka pa.

I believe, what "pro Coronas" (if that is the label you wish to apply) want is simply a fair trial. Nothing more, nothing less. What you Noytards want however is to remove Corona by hook or by crook, like a spoiled brat "ah mommy basta I wan't Corona out". We follow the concept that the accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty. On the contrary, minions of the yellow zombies are already concluding Corona guilty -- and worse spreading this propaganda to the public like a disease.

Democracy is having our judges decide cases as per the established justice system. Judges/Senators being influenced by public opinion of the mob is called mobocracy. A President using all possible government resources to pin a political enemy is akin to tyranny.

Oh well, bakit ba ako nagpapaliwanag, Noytards and the President himself are simply crazy and retard.

[sargo]

ano daw sabi???

corona is getting a fair trial. and the defense acknowledges that, they have been attending the trial. in fact corona will appear tomorrow.

the CoronA$$e$ just cant accept corona's lawyers have been making one blunder after another so much so that cornina is now forced to testify to save his a$$ from impeachment.

[sargo]

It's the Corona camp that has been dishing that stupidity, particularly on the LRA's certification of 45 properties which, Corona's lawyers said are only 5 properties.

So who's talking about numbers as if reducing it to half would make any difference?

Remember, TJ Corona has been very strident that the dollar accounts are non-existent, phony.

Buking, ahihihi!!!

corona's lawyers recently admitted to 3-4 $ accounts. lol

[despisePappus]

corona's lawyers recently admitted to 3-4 $ accounts. lol

You misunderstood. Note that the defense spokeperson emphasized that they do not say that those 3-4 accounts were Corona's. But they were able to solve the puzzle that those 82 accounts as claimed by CCM are just really 3-4 accounts.

Huli ka na. You're good at twisting stories.

[LITHIUM478]

enrile gave an answer recently - it does not matter that the amount is $1 or $1M, the question is if it was declared or not in the SALN.

But you are not presenting the bigger picture... The Senate is determining if the failure to declare (whether $1 or $1M) is an impeachable offense, or could this be simply corrected administratively?

I can still recall since the first week of the impeachment trial, Senators are interpolating on a benchmark on what amount constitutes conviction towards removal from office.

It is plain retard to convict and remove from office someone who failed to declare his $1 on SALN.

Thus, the Senate can rule that Corona failed to declare $1 on his SALN as statement of fact, but can also rule that this is not a ground for conviction or removal from office.

[Jill123]

corona's lawyers recently admitted to 3-4 $ accounts. lol

i doubt it. but even if any of them did or was misquoted, it wasn't made under oath and it wasn't made by corona so it doesn't count.

[Jill123]

ano daw sabi???

corona is getting a fair trial. and the defense acknowledges that, they have been attending the trial. in fact corona will appear tomorrow.

the CoronA$$e$ just cant accept corona's lawyers have been making one blunder after another so much so that cornina is now forced to testify to save his a$$ from impeachment.

somehow, i don't think you have the experties or legal education to say that the defense made blunders.

[Yitzchak]

ano daw sabi???

corona is getting a fair trial. and the defense acknowledges that, they have been attending the trial. in fact corona will appear tomorrow.

the CoronA$$e$ just cant accept corona's lawyers have been making one blunder after another so much so that cornina is now forced to testify to save his a$$ from impeachment.

I feel rather that the prosecution is shaking right now at the fact that tomorrow is the day their dare has been called.

Remember the time you all called out that the only person who can explain this is Corona himself? Well, he called your dare. Much more so, he even dared recently your cohorts and was seen live on TV being pawned, discovered to be bias and liars.

Oh! i can feel those sleepless nights and as tomorrow comes, i'm pretty sure this sleeplessness will bore more pressure that expected.

Poor prosecution. Poor administration. Seems one man with a competent team of lawyers couldn't be shattered even with all the gov't resources against him.

tsk tsk.

[Jill123]

I don't think the post is ban-worthy. There has to be ample latitude for free speech in a public forum. Sargo has got to be really kutis sibuyas to be reacting to it. oh plus he wants his job to be easier by removing lithium, who is a really able and effective pexer arguing for due process.