Chief Justice Corona Impeachment Thread 4

[peterin]

I think it would be better to consult people living in the area first before issuing opinions.

Don't tell me ikaw din hindi makaintindi? What is to ask about?

[admiral__cidric]

Emphasis on no.1:

Bakit hindibaipamahagi agad ang HL?

Ok, redundant much.

1) Luisita needs to be redistributed. This is loooooong overdue. How many more poor farmers and their families need to suffer and die bec of one family's greed? Family of 'st cory' and engot penot, no less

Only Corona's Court had the balls to go against penot's family on this issue. If only for that, we should hear his side (thru his defense) before rendering judgment on his case.

2) Judicial Independence. Enough of the one-man rule. Esp by a certified nincompoop like penot. Kawawa bansa natin kung siya lang ang maghaharian sa lahat

3) Rule of Law. Respect the rights of the accused. Patunayan mo nang maayos akusasyon mo. Di puro mob rule lang

4) Respect for Personal/Professional Accomplishments. Mababaw, pero valid pa ren. Di naman kase lahat ng Pilipino pinanganak sa mayaman/makapangyarihan na pamilya tulad ni penot. Karamihan eh kayod kalabaw para umasenso.

Boplaks kase si penot sa mga tulad ni corona. Di lang nag-abogarsya, nag-masters pa. At harvard lang naman. Nagkaroon din ng magandang private practice kaya umasenso. Pati mga anak niya ay certified professionals kaya asensado din.

Samantalang si penot, zero accomplishments. Di lang sa pulitika, pati sa private life din. Kundi lang hired ng family corp or family friend, wala kukuha jan. Kahit prof nya sa kolehiyo, 'mediocre' ang tawag sa performance niya

Good enough?

[vserumgard]

Don't tell me ikaw din hindi makaintindi? What is to ask about?

First, magkano ang potential income ni Charina Corona per year? Hindi mo pa naeestablish yun.

This is assuming that you want to prove na hindi kaya ni Charina Corona bumili ng properties na may ganung halaga nung 2008.

[HeadBaker]

tawkytawny has a point. if most of the allowances are indeed for official business then it cannot be spent for personal use.

it's rather dumb and idiotic to say that since other officials are doing it then it is ok for the cj to do it as well. a crime is a crime, no matter how many are doing it.

now going to bgei. does mrs corona really own bgei? it is not listed in the joint saln of the cj? if she does own bgei, how come they did not declare it in the saln?

[aislinn]

Hindi normal na magwawaiver ang spouse dahil lang malaki ang kita ng asawa. Whatever nakita nilang magasawa, that is conjugal earnings.

Kaya unusual na magwaiver ang asawa. But if your in-law is rich, the parent-in-law may buy the child a house, for example, so that if they separate, the child has a permanent home. Iwas pa sa SALN, ano?

That's pure assumption on your part. The fact is that really doesn't prove anything. In fact, based on the facts at hand, Charina could very well afford to buy a property with or without her husband's money and yes, Peterin, even without Daddy's money.

[admiral__cidric]

41% who distrust Corona is the majority
21% trust him
39% undecided

Hmm.. only 41% from AdMU shows distrust for corona. Majority remain trustful or undecided. They're giving their fellow atenean a big boost. Alam kase nila na as ateneans, kaya umasenso on their own (buy properties etc).

Si penot lang naman ang deviant. The exception that disproves the rule

[peterin]

First, magkano ang potential income ni Charina Corona per year? Hindi mo pa naeestablish yun.

This is assuming that you want to prove na hindi kaya ni Charina Corona bumili ng properties na may ganung halaga nung 2008.

Ooooh. I see. Hindi mo nga nagrasp ang issue.nuulit ko, hindi ang capacity to pay ang issue ko. Yung waiver. Back read ka please.

[peterin]

First, magkano ang potential income ni Charina Corona per year? Hindi mo pa naeestablish yun.

This is assuming that you want to prove na hindi kaya ni Charina Corona bumili ng properties na may ganung halaga nung 2008.

Hahahahaha. Bili ka ng Vitamin B. Rx ng friend ko dito sa LAFI.

Quote the passage where I said or implied that said that Charina did not have the capacity to pay for the property. Please. Back read ka.

Sinasadya mo bang ilihis ang issue?

[Objection]

Wala ba dyang survey about kung naniniwala mga mamamayan sa mga kwentong Small Lady and other shenanigans by the prosecution

[admiral__cidric]

Magkano ba ang sweldo ng therapist sa US?

Yesterday, 10:23 AM
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"yung daughter pala ni corona ang mayari ng properties sa u.s. so anong kinalaman niyan sa impeachment ni CJ renato corona? spin.

sabi na nga ba eh.. pag dating ng break maninira na naman ang propaganda machine:"


Bought with Daddy’s money.

Trace the source of money. Circumstantial: I guess the spouses Charina and hubby do not have a prenup. Charina needed a waiver to protect her own personal assets.

Since the payment of the deposit, down payment and negotiation cost were from not conjugal earnings but from Daddy, the hubby agreed on a waiver. Future payments will also come from Daddy, not from her earnings. It is still possible to pre-pay for the balance of 30 years even one ome month after consumation of sales contract. That is why I suspect this property may have already been paid in full.

[peterin]

That is not my issue, at I am not interested to know.

[aislinn]

Sabi ni aislinn hindi raw unusual ang practice ng pagsign ng waiver form for spouses sa US.

Data muna bago theory. Nasaan ang data na nagpapatunay pinabili lang ni Renato Corona ang bahay na yun?

Also, we don't need to be reductive about a person's purchasing power just because that person is related to someone going through an impeachment case. Where is the respect?

Don't take my word for it. Iba kasi ang laws ng U.S. concerning that. They have tax breaks pa plus you have to take into account their divorce laws. Not to mention that real estate laws varies from state to state.

Naging unusual lang yan for the noybots because they already made the assumption that the CJ bought the house for Charina when wala namang ebidensya.

[pinoy_cowboy]

I think sa excitement mong ipagyabang ang prowess mo, nagpost ka ng reply na malayo naman sa message na kinote mo. Ang issue duon, hindi ang capacity to pay kundi ang issue ng waiver ng husband. Bumili ng paraphernal property.

Magasawa. bumili ng property ang babae nagwaiver ang lalake, saan manggagaling ang bayad? Sa kita ng babae? Hindi ko na dudugtungan. Please figure out. Silat ang comprehension mo, hijo.

Kung ang kita mo ay 50k/mo, nakatira ka sa magulang mo? O umuupa ka ng condo, bahay, or whatever, may ride kang binabayaran? me night outs ka? Ano ang balance mo after those? Ia-assume kong single ka, walang dependents para partida.

Bumili ka ng property after 4 years, savings mo 500k/year. Buong sweldo mo? Paki compute nga please.

Pagkatapos, paki explain. Palpak yata.

Pete wag mo namang bigyang malisya ang waiver. It is used as a ploy to separate a partners property from the business activities of the other. What if nagtayo ng single proprietorship ang Mister, iwas pusoy eto incase magfile bankruptcy ang lalaki. Or pwede ding pangit ang credit standing nga lalaki kaya nagwaiver siya para hindi siya kasama sa credit rating.

So many possibilities, that's my point. Why limit yourself to the malicious insinuations?

[admiral__cidric]

You forgot to include the condo bought by Charina in the Philippines.

Hello peterin, gotcha2, and Raissa Robles (reading on the internet). Data please. (It's okay, not like you're expected to fill up everything, as long as you deliver the goods).


Charina Corona & spouse annual income (conjugal): ___________

Charina's Occupation and Income Per Annum: ___________

Price of US House and Lot bought in 2008: ___________

Mode/Plan of Payment for US House and Lot: ___________

Relevance of this US House and Lot to CJ Impeachment Trial assuming that Renato Corona owns this property: ___________

Concrete evidence proving Charina Corona status as dummy of Renato Corona: ___________

Concrete evidence proving means of Renato Corona wiring of money to Charina Corona to buy US House and Lot: ___________

Total Expenditures and Purchases of Charina Corona and spouse for Year 2008: ___________

[aislinn]

Pete wag mo namang bigyang malisya ang waiver. It is used as a ploy to separate a partners property from the business activities of the other. What if nagtayo ng single proprietorship ang Mister, iwas pusoy eto incase magfile bankruptcy ang lalaki. Or pwede ding pangit ang credit standing nga lalaki kaya nagwaiver *** para hindi *** kasama sa credit rating.

So many possibilities, that's my point. Why limit yourself to the malicious insinuations?

That's one possibility that Noybots don't want to entertain. Their mind is set only one possibility because that possibility serves their purpose. Simple as that.

[admiral__cidric]

The wrongdoings of everybody doesn't make the wrongdoings of Corona right!

Is this the usual practice in government? Are we sure that those senators and other justices who served in the election tribunal also used their allowances for business purposes only and not for their official functions?

What does the law say? Does one have to present breakdown of expenses with receipts attached to your report?





Renato Corona is not party of the dispute. We are not even privy to the details since this is a family dispute among Basa-Guidote clans. If there was approval of some sort, Renato Corona does the transaction in good faith and no intention to defraud the stockholders.

1. He put it in his SALN. This is like publicly declaring that you owe money to BGEI. Where is the intention to defraud here?

2. He paid up the loan. Again, where is the intention to defraud the stockholders if he returned the money to BGEI (maybe with interest???)?



1. This is debatable. Is the law strict about allowances?
2. Weak argument. I am leaning to dismiss this one.

[jonslaught]

That's one possibility that Noybots don't want to entertain. Their mind is set only one possibility because that possibility serves their purpose. Simple as that.

They already had this fixed notion that the Cj or any member of his family are corrupt simply because they have properties. And they usually assume that they brought the properties based on their monthly income.

If I apply their logic i can apply it to, let say PNoy.

That guy had this publicity stunt to show the President is only making P90,000 Or so per month. Ok fine. Explain his P3 Billion in his SALN.

[h0lysh|tyousuck]

oo nga.. wag niyo kasi sisilipin ng SALN ng iba.. kay corona lang.. bakit niyo sisilipin ang SALN ni pnoy o ni abad.. kahit na pare-pareho ang mali nila, labs namin sila.. si corona hate namin.. si corona lang ang mali.. ah basta..




- pnoy pex fans


wtf..

[peterin]

Pete wag mo namang bigyang malisya ang waiver. It is used as a ploy to separate a partners property from the business activities of the other. What if nagtayo ng single proprietorship ang Mister, iwas pusoy eto incase magfile bankruptcy ang lalaki. Or pwede ding pangit ang credit standing nga lalaki kaya nagwaiver siya para hindi siya kasama sa credit rating.

So many possibilities, that's my point. Why limit yourself to the malicious insinuations?

Hmmmm. Iwas pusoy? Sa future? Nahhhh.

Nornally dyan, sabi ng friend ko, itatanong ng lender ang information ng asawa. At ang waiver ay hindi pahahalagahan sa punto ng pagbili. Ang information ng asawa, kung adverse, makaka negative effect sa application ng asawa.

Sa caso na ito, para masiguro ng asawa na hindi maka ka claim ang kabila, siguro papipirmahin muna ng kasulatan na wala syang interes sa bibiling property. Pag natapos na ang transaction, mag iisue ng quit-claim ang asawa at ipapadala sa registry.

[h0lysh|tyousuck]

anak ng.. ayaw i-apply ang rules na gusto nila kay corona sa ibang tao na karapat-dapat din naman silipin.. wtf.. i said it again and again.. double-freaking-standard, much?