'98-'01 DLSU vs. '08-'11 ADMU

[PExMan_00]

who wins the match-up between the four peaters?

[greenboy3]

who wins the match-up between the four peaters?

I think no doubt DLSU, parang mas magagaling players nun era na yun, for me even yung admu team nun sila rich alvarez etc. mas malakas pa sa admu team ngayon e, ang dami talented players nun panahon na yun, cortez,ritualo,cardona for dlsu, for admu sila rich alvarez, tenorio, andun pa sila baguio for ust, artadi and tubid for UE, santos for FEU, Mike Bravo for UP..

[RuckuS]

'08-'11 ADMU Blue Eagles OBVIOUSLY.

what will the '98-'01 Green Archers do? rely on their guard oriented "Nightmare Press" that hasnt worked in the last six years? it worked well for them during the turn of the last decade when the other teams were still trying to figure out how to beat it, but that puzzle has long been solved.

on paper the four-peat DLSU team is much more talented individually, but the 2008-2011 Blue Eagles have a more disciplined team game that plays within a rigid system and doesnt rely on individual superstars (not that they dont have any, but clear example is the 2010 Champion team didnt even have a single player in the Mythical 5), is better trained, and better coached than any Blue Eagle team in recent history including the Back2Back teams of the 80's and the 2002 "Dream Team".

[dashingdevonair]

Definitely 08-11 Ateneo Team.

Individually the old GA team is better, but Norman Black is too good for collegiate basketball. The man turned college kids into a semi-professional team

[PExky]

What: Blue vs Green Dream Game 2012
Where: Smart Araneta Coliseum
When: February 5, 2012, Sunday

Green Archers defeated Blue Eagles, 117-104.

Nuff said.

[stellarxplosion]

What: Blue vs Green Dream Game 2012
Where: Smart Araneta Coliseum
When: February 5, 2012, Sunday

Green Archers defeated Blue Eagles, 117-104.

Nuff said.

The players for both teams came from various UAAP eras ('98-'01 GA and post-DLSU four peat, '02 Blue Eagles and pre-ADMU four peat).

The core of the Green Team was indeed the '98-'01 Archers, as mentioned here before was more talented individually than the Blue Eagles of their time. So to say that the '98-'01 GA is better than the Blue Eagles in the context of the Dream Game would be inaccurate, since the only representative of the '08-'11 Blue Eagles in the said exhibition game was Eric Salamat.

[RuckuS]

^^ correct. were talking about a "theoretical" game, by using a time machine and bringing back a selection of 2008-2011 BE lineup to 2001 to challenge a GA team made up of the best DLSU varsity players of that era. and as I posted previously, the Green Archers will obviously rely on Franz Pumaren's "vaunted" nightmare pressing defense which to their dismay will not work against Norman Black's Blue Eagles, forcing them to play individually (rely on their superstars' individual talent) which i assume will work even worse than their systematic defensive patterns.

Mike Cortez might finish the game with 30 points, but i wouldnt be surprised if the Archers also lose by 30 points.

[Nico101]

individual talent cannot win games. Teamwork and coordination makes champions.

ADMU '08-'11 can/will beat DLSU '98-'01. Beat GA with plays that do not showcase their individual talent but showing how they gel as a team. No show-off's just plain fundamental basketball. Kasabihan nga, how can you beat a team whose main weapon is defense and not offense. Offense wins you games, Defense wins championships.

the question is can DLSU '98-'01 win against ADMU 2002. Larry can we hear your comment about this?

[LOLOLOLOL]

they're not going to entirely stop rabeh and slaughter but the 98-01 big men can limit them, plus they have moves of their own

ruckus
super blind homer
30 points

i'm favoring ateneo in the matchup but 30 points? come on it will be a close ball-game

[Nico101]

alam niyo this all boils down to the management of the team, the coaching system. the blue eagle team 1998-2002 is team composed of players who have been playing with each other since grade school to college. Pero isa lang ang nakuha nilang championship. Puro individual awards lang. FYI di pa bigstar si tenorio ng panahon na ito.

In my mind itong ADMU '98-'02 di nila kayang talunin ang 2008-2011 na blue eagle team; difference is the coaching system. NORMAN BLACK.

[Nico101]

over naman talaga yang 30 points. baka 5-10pts pwede pa, baka mamaya niyan mapikon si allado at mag tebow buong araw , hehehehee

[LOLOLOLOL]

alam niyo this all boils down to the management of the team, the coaching system. the blue eagle team 1998-2002 is team composed of players who have been playing with each other since grade school to college. Pero isa lang ang nakuha nilang championship. Puro individual awards lang. FYI di pa bigstar si tenorio ng panahon na ito.

In my mind itong ADMU '98-'02 di nila kayang talunin ang 2008-2011 na blue eagle team; difference is the coaching system. NORMAN BLACK.

those ateneo teams were mentally weak, except 2002 when they got over the hump. you cannot do anything to shake the 08-11 ateneo blue eagles

[RuckuS]

they're not going to entirely stop rabeh and slaughter but the 98-01 big men can limit them, plus they have moves of their own

ruckus
super blind homer
30 points

i'm favoring ateneo in the matchup but 30 points? come on it will be a close ball-game

ok i take it back. i wont be surprised if Ateneo wins by 29 POINTS!

and no it wont be a close ball-game, it will be a massacre. how can you keep the game close when you practically have no defensive plays that will work against your opponent. while they on the other hand have the capability to bring your team offense to a standstill and force you to play the game on their terms? expecting Allado, Adonis Sta. Maria and Manny Ramos to "limit" Rabah and Slaughter? even just Nonoy Baclao is already more than a match for the Don Allado of the late 90's. remember that DLSU never really relied on their bigmen to win games but on the running game of their guards - Aldeguer, Ritualo, Cuan, Cortez, Cardona, Yeo. and to run, you will need to have the ball - (turnovers caused by Pressing D) - ineffective Pressing defense = no turnovers = no running attack.

anyway haha kanya-kanyang opinion lang naman yan. and IMHO, collegiate players have evolved quite a bit in the past 10 years. talent will be talent sure, but the technical plays employed by Coach Norman and the way he's disciplined his team are professional level already, if you compare it to the still "amateurish" plays used by Franz Pumaren back in 1998-2001.

[PExMan_00]

Match-ups:
(Kung may mga maling positions or if I missed out on players who started for both teams, please correct me)

C: Al Hussaini/Slaughter vs. Allado/Sta. Maria (Ateneo)
PF: Baclao/Erram vs. Wilson/Gavino (Ateneo)
SF: Buenafe/Salva vs. Magsumbol/Jose (Ateneo)
SG: Salamat/Long/Ravena/Tiu vs. Ritualo/Cardona/Yeo (DLSU)
PG: Monfort/Reyes vs. Aldeguer/Cortez (DLSU)

Bench: DLSU
Coaching Staff: Ateneo
Level of Competition: DLSU (I believe UAAP teams from 1998-2001 had a higher level of competition than teams from 2008-2011)

[neworld]

NU na lang 98-2011
anyway, DLSU pa din. swerte lang si al hussaini/baclao bumabantay sakanila sina ferdinand... slaughter? uhmm 7 footer tingnan mo naman sa PBA, ang layo ng laro ni baclao kay wilson.. hindi nga linalaro eh.. al hussaini ano sa PBA? Allado proven...

C: Al Hussaini/Slaughter vs. Allado/SHARMA/sta maria (pwedeng 50-50)
PF: Baclao/Erram vs. Wilson/Gavino (DLSU)
SF: Buenafe/Salva vs. Magsumbol/Jose (Ateneo)
SG: Salamat/Long/Ravena/Tiu vs. Ritualo/Cardona/Yeo (DLSU)
PG: Monfort/Reyes vs. Aldeguer/Cortez (DLSU)

[stellarxplosion]

^ bakit kelangan i-consider yung PBA stints ng mga players? It wouldn't be a fair comparison because we all know that certain Green Archers and Blue Eagles alike differ in terms of playing time because of the PBA coaches' styles of play. Plus, we're talking about the four-peat eras of both teams in the UAAP. Why stray beyond that? Let's keep this discussion in the amateurs league.

Lamang ang Ateneo sa frontline and swingmen, while the guards of DLSU are truly some of the best the UAAP had ever seen.

P.S. NU na lang? Jeff Napa, Edwin Asoro, and all the other God-forsaken Bulldogs? Pasalamat kayo kay Henry Sy. You guys wouldn't even be in any legitimate UAAP basketball discussion if not for his millions. Ngayon lang kayo nagkaroon ng direksyon sa basketball program with Bobby Ray Parks.

[neworld]

hindi naman ako taga NU wala yan naalala ko lang sina Napa na naging courtside reporter hahahaha. ahh ok wag na natin iconsider yung PBA stints.. sige mukhang admu nga sa C at forwards.

[stellarxplosion]

^ My apologies for the mistaken accusation.

NU might not have all the pieces to contend for a championship right now, but what they do have is $$$, and lots of it. Won't be too long from now.

Sorry for the OT.

[xlist]

pero tingnan mo naman bantay nina rabeh, sina ferdinand,walsham,maeirhoffer. ang layo naman nila kumpara kina allado eh.. dapat hindi mo na pinalitan neworld

[RuckuS]

please keep in mind that were talking about the Don Allado of the late 90's, (yung mahilig mga "raise the roof" pagnakaka-score) not the one who has improved after all these years in the PBA. 1 on 1 against Rabeh or even just Baclao, hirap na yun.