Hesus,Anak ng Dios o Dios na nagkatawang tao?

[TLG]

No, it's your statement - huwag mo ipasa. Baka pwede mo rin naman kaming educate ibig mong sabihin?

Who said na pinapasa ko?

I said it was my understanding based on hisagi's reply. Ki-norrect mo nga ako db

[Bowen]

Mahirap nga tong unawain para sa iba, it's too mind boggling for some.

People are used to thinking like a one dimensional flat surface. We should understand that entities very different from our own should not be understood the way we understand our own world. They are in a different dimension and should be understood according to their terms. Otherwise, it won't be compatible and comprehensible to our mind. It will create obvious contradictions.

God is a multidimensional being and can be at different dimensions/places at the same time while still remaining as ONE person/being. He can be Jesus as flesh in our dimension, as the Holy Spirit in the dimension of soul/spirit/mind, and as the Father in the heavenly dimension simultaneously. These 3 are ONE.

Even Jesus told Philip:

"John 14:9 - 9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?"

Philip was simply thinking in the terms of our Earthly dimension. Although, logically, he is somewhat correct, but Jesus corrected him by making him see in His dimension. Jesus and the Father are ONE. ONE person. He in the Father and the Father in Him. If you were Jesus, you would think this way about the Father, "You are Me and I am You, for we are ONE person. I and the Father are the SAME person. We are the multiples of each other bearing the exact and express image of each other."

A person thinking like a one dimensional flat surface will end up thinking that God is only ONE but cannot be Jesus or the Holy Spirit. They assigned God with Earthly terms - Jesus as only a man and the Holy Spirit as a force/energy or Jesus as 'god' but by title only in order to fit a round peg in a square hole. Many stopped at explaining what the trinity/triunity is and say it is a mystery. Some even used 1+1+1, therefore 3 or 1x1x1, therefore 1. These are merely Earthly reasoning to try to understand who God is.

God's primary forms are in the person of the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. They are three persons, yet ONE.

God's secondary forms are in the person of the Seven Spirits. They are seven persons, yet ONE.

Revelation 4:5 (KJV) And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

"S" in Spirits is capitalized to denote "person", like the capitalized 'Holy Spirit', 'Word', 'Son', and 'Father'.

God's tertiary forms are in the person of all believers, occupying them as His temple. If they are a billion of believers, there a billion of persons of God, yet ONE.

God's infinite forms are in the person of all the Heavens in order to fill them up with Himself (Omnipraesentia). He is in infinity of persons, yet ONE.

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.

Mind boggling but very interesting to think about deeply.

[Bowen]

God the Father did not create the Son nor the Holy Spirit.

Yes, you are correct. They are not creations of God. The Son and the Holy Spirit are in the Father and the Father are in them.

[banimalek]

Ang problema kasi ganito
hindi naman yung si Hesus anak ba ng Diyos o Nagkatawang tao, ang problema kasi, ang totoong problema nila ang Islam natalo sa
Battle of Vienna hahaha Since then hindi sila makapagmove on. Kaya nga September 11 ang pinili nilang pag-atake kasi September 11 yun eh. Hindi nila nasakop ang Europe na punong puno ng Christian. Dahil dun naexpose ang katotohanan, na walang pinagkaiba si Mohammad kay Felix Manalo, self declared sugo at self declared prophet. Eh di maiyak iyak sila ngayon hahaha Ginawa ng mga Orc na ito nangalap sila ng mga alipin, gaya nila banimalek at mani na papayag magpauto dahil yun ang nature nila, utak alipin kaya nanggugulo, dinadaan dyan. haha

Truth is, it doesn't matter to them whether god is 1 or god is more than 10,000... wala. Nakikita mo naman sa kilos nila yan, kung saan may Muslim, doon ang part ng mundo na Magulo, lalo na sa AFRICA NA ANG MGA BATA MAY HAWAK NA BARIL, rifle, nagpapatayan dahil utos daw ni Mohammad magpatayan. tsk....

Ang masasabi ko lang todo todo pagka-uto uto nila ng mga taong ito, walang sariling utak. tsk

Baling paksa kana kaya lagi kang napapatalsik kasi wala ka lagi sa paksa, inuubos mo lang ang bandwidth ng PEX

[XIII]

Hindi kaya tama naman kasi maski si Moses ay walang itinuturong may anak ang Diyos bago pa man nilalang ang langit at lupa

Even Moses did not know that the God had a Son. This was not revealed until the ministry of Jesus Christ.

P.S. Just ignore the troll please.

[banimalek]

Even Moses did not know that the God had a Son. This was not revealed until the ministry of Jesus Christ.

P.S. Just ignore the troll please.

Iyon na nga brad lahat ng mga propheta ay walang katuruan na ganyan at napag-alaman lang ninyo iyan sa NT, tama po ba ako?

Ngunit napapansin mo ba na maski sa NT ay nagkakaroon ng pagkakaiba ng interpretasyon sapagkat alam ng ibang kristiyano (denomination) na iisa lang ang Diyos at wala itong anak na Diyos din, salamat po!

[TLG]

Even Moses did not know that the God had a Son. This was not revealed until the ministry of Jesus Christ.

P.S. Just ignore the troll please.

The writer of the book of proverbs knew God has a son, but its only limited to that part only.

Proverbs 30:4
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
4Who hath ascended up into heaven, and descended? who hath held the wind in his hands? who hath bound up the waters together as in a garment? who hath raised up all the borders of the earth? what is his name, and what is the name of his son, if thou knowest?

and even peter said that even the prophets dont know that christ' spirit is in them, telling them about the messiah

1 Peter 1:10-11
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
10Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and diligently searched, who prophesied of the grace to come in you.
11Searching what or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ in them did signify: when it foretold those sufferings that are in Christ, and the glories that should follow:

[jnsbytn]

si david nga din anak ng diyos sabi sa bible

[jnsbytn]

P.S. Just ignore the troll please.

[Pyros]

Who said na pinapasa ko?

I said it was my understanding based on hisagi's reply. Ki-norrect mo nga ako db

You based your understanding on someone else reply? Ok fine!

[TLG]

You based your understanding on someone else reply? Ok fine!

Keep playing with words dude if it makes you happy!

[Pyros]

TLG: I said it was my understanding based on hisagi's reply.

[skye_phoenix]

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1 Corinthians 14:33

You still don't get it do you? Of course you don't! Duh!

Gusto ko sanang ipaliwanag pero hwag na lang, wala ako sa mood.

[hisagi123]

Mali nga eh... Tagapagmana is not the same as kung ano ang mamanahin.

Firstborn daw means "heir" or tagapagmana. Kung tagapagmana ka ng lahat ng nilalang hindi ibig sabihin nilalang ka din, nakukuha mo punto ko?

Hindi mo sinasagot ang tanong ko: ginamit ba sa creator ang Firstborn??

[hisagi123]

Even if we follow your interpretation of that verse that Jesus is a creation, it still wouldn't fit INC's doctrine of "taong nalalang, taong namatay, taong pumunta sa langit", because as we all know man is not the first among God's creations

I did not even posted an interpretation, I merely cited a bible verse.

Dito pa lang TLG sumablay ka na...

Colossians 1:15
International Standard Version (©2008)
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

[krams2]

si tlg ayaw maniwala sa talata juice ko po

tanong kay TLG

1. Naniniwala ka ba na ang TAO created by God?

2. si Jesus ba TAO?

tignan natin kung kayang sumagot ni tlg

[TLG]

TLG: I said it was my understanding based on hisagi's reply.

Of course, when you post a reply, you post it based on your understanding of the latter's post...duh.... palibahasa kayo reply lang reply eh

Hindi mo sinasagot ang tanong ko: ginamit ba sa creator ang Firstborn??

Sabihin nga nating hindi! O ayan masaya kana? Pero to equate the heir over all creation as a creation itself is ahhhh.... funny!

Sabi ko nga, kung ikaw tagapagmana ng mga kabayo ni lito lapid, tatanggapin mo kabayo ka din?

I did not even posted an interpretation, I merely cited a bible verse.

Dito pa lang TLG sumablay ka na...

Hindi ako sumablay, its up to you if you wanna be honest or not, but clearly you posted col 1:15 as yur reply to XIII's claim that "Jesus is not a creation", what does that tell a reader? Simple, it only means that you are showing to evryone that col.1:15 is you proof that Jesus is a creation. Tama?

[krams2]

iniwasan yung tanong ko uki payn po

[hisagi123]

Hindi ako sumablay, its up to you if you wanna be honest or not, but clearly you posted col 1:15 as yur reply to XIII's claim that "Jesus is not a creation", what does that tell a reader? Simple, it only means that you are showing to evryone that col.1:15 is you proof that Jesus is a creation. Tama?

But I did not provided an interpretation of it, like what you have mentioned...

Kung andito si Miriam, niyari ka na...

[hisagi123]

Sabihin nga nating hindi! O ayan masaya kana? Pero to equate the heir over all creation as a creation itself is ahhhh.... funny!

it only proves that you can't provide a suitable answer to defend yourself.

Sabi ko nga, kung ikaw tagapagmana ng mga kabayo ni lito lapid, tatanggapin mo kabayo ka din?

Thats a childish way of juxtaposing it...