S74 WVB Game Analysis: ADMU vs UST (Stepladder Game 2) - 02/18/2012

[citi.]

I have to voice this out.

I just cannot stand how some UST fans have kept bringing up UST peaking at this or that time. Ilang beses ba pwedeng mag-peak ang isang team? I am comparing their performance game after game but hey they are way inconsistent. One game they're explosive from the get-go but some they take too long to get charged up. If inconsistency is equal to peaking then I'd rest my case. But it is not. So how come people here are claiming UST is peaking at the right time?

[citi.]

I have one legit question. What's the criteria for you guys when comparing players? Per game basis, like you compare how these players do when faced with this certain team? Or do you consider how potent the players of teams these compared players have gone up against, and then assess their performance based on that?

[creamx]

^ Setter is Dimaculangan and not Caballejo

[citi.]

Pardon me for asking, pero anong significance ng versatility kung nadidig din naman? Hindi ba't mas nakakabilib ang player na puro power lang ang alam pero mas maraming nagagawang points at mas mataas ang spiking percentage kesa sa player na versatile nga at maraming alam na ways of attacking (spike, drop, backrow) pero mas mababa ang total points at mas less efficient? Attack-wise the stats are pointing to an obvious advantage for Banaticla. If there's one thing na pwedeng lumamang si Fille kay Maru it's defense, pero sa offense, it's Banaticla hands down, at least for this season.

I don't buy this argument at all. A player having less efficiency and fewer point production/output is never sufficient to say inferior to a player who has high point production and greater efficiency. Pag versatile attacker ka ba wala kang karapatang ma-dig? Ikaw na ba ang dyosa ng volleyball kung ganon?

Let me give you an example. Cha Cruz for one is not in the top 10 of spikers in terms of efficiency and I am not quite sure how far she has fared in the scoring category. (Though I'm quite sure Banaticla and Cainglet are way above her.) However, Cha Cruz is very deadly because of her versatility as you may have observed this season. Middle hit, running hit, down the line, cross-court, drop and occasional back row hits have been in her arsenal. If we operate on your premise, would you say Banaticla is better than Cruz? I'll warn you. It would be so myopic of you to point out to the stats if you use that to answer this question as the stats does not factor in the intangibles.

You may say that Cainglet is no Cha Cruz but you must recognize the versatility of these players and factor them in your assessment. Versatility allows for greater deception and more combination plays while sheer power can only do so much. I am not saying that versatility is far more superior a quality than power. I am just rebutting your statement that versatility has nothing to do with the game.

Oh and one thing, how successful has UST as a whole been in digging/blocking Cainglet? I really do not know. I get this impression from your post that UST can handle any ball Cainglet will let loose. Contrary to this, you seem to have full confidence in Banaticla's power plays and somehow neglect to acknowledge ADMU's rather impressive floor coverage. I'm just applying what I learned awhile go in my Philo of Language class that by asserting a positive statement, you are also acknowledging the oppositives. (Medyo structuralist tong argument ko.) If my impressions are invalid, let me know so that we can analyze your post better. I'm talking from a hermeneutics point of course. You may have other intentions I may have not deciphered.

[gooseberry]

I have to voice this out.

I just cannot stand how some UST fans have kept bringing up UST peaking at this or that time. Ilang beses ba pwedeng mag-peak ang isang team? I am comparing their performance game after game but hey they are way inconsistent. One game they're explosive from the get-go but some they take too long to get charged up. If inconsistency is equal to peaking then I'd rest my case. But it is not. So how come people here are claiming UST is peaking at the right time?

That is the favorite line that most of us use to convince ourselves that we have arrived at that level.

Insane, huh? But it works for the team when there are hundreds if not close to a thousand people cheering for them, win or lose.

[kamuterepublic]

I have to voice this out.

I just cannot stand how some UST fans have kept bringing up UST peaking at this or that time. Ilang beses ba pwedeng mag-peak ang isang team? I am comparing their performance game after game but hey they are way inconsistent. One game they're explosive from the get-go but some they take too long to get charged up. If inconsistency is equal to peaking then I'd rest my case. But it is not. So how come people here are claiming UST is peaking at the right time?

blame the commentator, especially anne remulla, on keep on telling how UST WVT is peaking at the right time.. by the way, she's a former DLSU player not UST fan..

[buzzkill]

ust muna ako magchi-cheer because they're the underdogs in this match-up.

go uste. goodluck!

[encanto]

On consistency:

Baka naman kasi may pagka-choosy lang talaga ang Tigresses. They peak kung kailan lang nila feel.

Anyway, sakit na nila 'yan (as I have observed since Season 69). They have this tendency of wanting to be challenged first before they straighten up and really show their true volleyball. Kaya madalas puro "habol" ang laro nila. They drop the first set all together, then biglang bubulusok sa succeeding sets- there are times that they don't succeed though. Or they would lose badly in one non-bearing game, only to bounce back very strong against a higher-ranked team. (I won't be too simplistic to say that it's overconfidence though.)


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On peaking:

I think when commentators (or anyone) say UST is peaking, they mean the team is becoming more and more cohesive and effective. Remember that many players are rookies, we have the old-timers but they had never been really in a position before to lead the team (Maruja, Ortiz and Caballejo).

I believe a team on a phase like this is more dangerous and lethal, surging, momentum high on its side- or at least, that's what I'd want to think.

[encanto]

Ooops... almost had similar post as Tigercub07's. Only 20 mins ahead of mine. Haha!!!

Anyway, yeah, I agree, sanay na kami sa ganyan. Sa pagiging inconsistent at moody ng Tigresses. Not that it's a good thing, pero parang tanggap na ng nakakarami na ganyan talaga. Mukhang enjoy naman ang fans. Mga luka-luka na.

[i_am_wat_i_am]

With all due respect but I think the best utility this season is Michelle Gumabao...

She may not be as powerful or versatile as Maizo as hitter but she is dependable and can definitely give the latter a run for her money when it comes to blocking. Stats don't lie. She is not the best blocker for two consecutive seasons for nothing.

The second spot for best utility spiker is still up for grabs between Gervacio and Caballejo.

Power = Gervacio

Combination plays = Even (both can score during combination plays)

Service= Almost EVEN with a slight edge to Gervacio (Gervacio's jump serve is one of the meanest but is also inconsistent at the same time while Caballejo's floater can also produce the necessary aces and can definitely rattle the opponents defense and attack patterns)

Setting = Caballejo (I think she together with Lantin, is the reason why UST is the top setting team)

Receiving = Caballejo

Digging = Caballejo

so blocking lang ba natatapos ang pagiging UTILITY???
STATS dont lie.
nasa top 10 si DZI in 3 depts.

[i_am_wat_i_am]

ahhh...yung peaking palang sinasabi nila kasi maraming rookies...so peaking pala sila from this season to the upcoming seasons...


first...MAN TO MAN ADVANTAGE!
ngayon...PEAKING FROM THIS SEASON TO UPCOMING SEASONS!

Hanu bey?!
Any better arguments please????

[greenboy3]

^ Setter is Dimaculangan and not Caballejo

I think she is just trying to compare Gervacio and Caballejo

[Spectator]

so blocking lang ba natatapos ang pagiging UTILITY???
STATS dont lie.
nasa top 10 si DZI in 3 depts.

Kung opinion niya ay better si Gumabao, why are you trying to change it?

[niknik088]

so blocking lang ba natatapos ang pagiging UTILITY???
STATS dont lie.
nasa top 10 si DZI in 3 depts.

He's trying to explain things based on the main purpose of the utility position and that is to block the opponents' open hitter.

[mac*2]

Sabi nila.. UST's offense vs ADMU's defense to pero laki narin ng inimprove ng defense ng uste at lalo na ng offense ng admu....

Sana lang sabay sabay manood sa Arena bukas sina Frankie lim, dave marcelo, mich gumabao at abi marano para medyo maapektuhan play ng eagles hehehe (joke!)

UST in 4 sets... sana walang ma-injure sa game...

[ashes_2_ashes]

I don't buy this argument at all. A player having less efficiency and fewer point production/output is never sufficient to say inferior to a player who has high point production and greater efficiency. Pag versatile attacker ka ba wala kang karapatang ma-dig? Ikaw na ba ang dyosa ng volleyball kung ganon?

Let me give you an example. Cha Cruz for one is not in the top 10 of spikers in terms of efficiency and I am not quite sure how far she has fared in the scoring category. (Though I'm quite sure Banaticla and Cainglet are way above her.) However, Cha Cruz is very deadly because of her versatility as you may have observed this season. Middle hit, running hit, down the line, cross-court, drop and occasional back row hits have been in her arsenal. If we operate on your premise, would you say Banaticla is better than Cruz? I'll warn you. It would be so myopic of you to point out to the stats if you use that to answer this question as the stats does not factor in the intangibles.

You may say that Cainglet is no Cha Cruz but you must recognize the versatility of these players and factor them in your assessment. Versatility allows for greater deception and more combination plays while sheer power can only do so much. I am not saying that versatility is far more superior a quality than power. I am just rebutting your statement that versatility has nothing to do with the game.

Oh and one thing, how successful has UST as a whole been in digging/blocking Cainglet? I really do not know. I get this impression from your post that UST can handle any ball Cainglet will let loose. Contrary to this, you seem to have full confidence in Banaticla's power plays and somehow neglect to acknowledge ADMU's rather impressive floor coverage. I'm just applying what I learned awhile go in my Philo of Language class that by asserting a positive statement, you are also acknowledging the oppositives. (Medyo structuralist tong argument ko.) If my impressions are invalid, let me know so that we can analyze your post better. I'm talking from a hermeneutics point of course. You may have other intentions I may have not deciphered.

So ano ang basis mo para sabihing mas magaling na offensive player si Player A kay player B kung hindi mo gagamitin ang scoring at attack percentage? Iyong trip mo lang? Kasi maganda? Kasi taga Ateneo? Wala akong sinabing wala kang karapatang ma-dig pag versatile player ka, what I'm saying is that the stats is telling us na Maru is a better scorer and a more efficient attacker. Kahit lumilipad pa sa ere ng 1 minuto si Cainglet kung pagtingin mo naman sa stats mas mababa ang point production and it took her more attempts to score a kill, anong silbi ng versatility na iyon? Ang bottomline naman kapag umaatake ka is to score a point diba no matter how you get it? No contest, offense-wise Maru is better than Fille.

I don't think Maru is better than Cha. The scoring advantage of Maru over Cha can be explained by DLSU's ability to have even distribution in scoring (which couldn't be said for Ateneo). As for efficiency, the stats or pointing to a Banaticla advantage so I'd say Maru is a more efficient attacker. Cruz is a better server and blocker though so that wraps up the argument that Cha is a better offensive player.

I can't wrap my head around your logic of not using the stats at all. The stats is the most unbiased piece of argument one could use. I'm not saying versatility isn't important; what I'm saying is that it doesn't matter how many types of attacks you know, what matters is you get the point. And sige, I'll tackle the versatility thing, how can you say that Fille is a more versatile attacker than Maru? Maru can do dropshots, powerhits and backrow attacks din naman ah. Aren't they as versatile as each other?

Never did I insinuate that UST can handle any ball that Fille hits. Where the heck did you get that from? You shouldn't factor in the whole defense of UST and Ateneo thing though because we are talking about Maru's statement which is "tao sa tao lamang ang UST". She means that when you match UST and Ateneo up player to player, UST is ahead. We are talking about each player's performance throughout the season and how they compare to their counterparts in the opposing team.

And please, saying those terms does not make your argument sound more logical. It's actually kind of pathetic that you had to mention those terms which no one really cares about. You're not impressing anyone.

I told myself not to post anything regarding this matter anymore because I'm looking like a UST fantard already but I just had to reply to this post. This will be the last though, I promise. Bottomline, let's see if Maru can walk the talk on Saturday. I'm hoping she does.

[lucarns_0613]

i just realized, we may never know if this might be Alyssa Valdez's break-out game in terms of digging and receiving this uaap season... she knows how important her performance will be for ateneo.. a first finals appearance will be the prize. its not impossible that we will see her play her A-game, like her not-so-distant v-league debut.

i really want her to play inspired volleyball tomorrow 'cause for me, she will be the factor for ateneo's win against UST.

nonetheless, i wish all the best for both teams tomorrow.. Whoever will reach the Finals, Im sure will deserve it- and I will surely root for in the Finals.

[DBecks2009]

If we will observe UST's game lately after their humiliating loss against DLSU in the 2nd round, it's really way, way better now. They had better blocking, better floor coverage, more variations to attack. Predictable offense before, but now is a different case.

So I expect this game tomorrow to be one hell of a fight. I'm still hoping UST can extend this to a deciding game.

[ElectricLambo]

peace peace muna tayo guys
ayan oh Blue Tiger hehe



kidding aside bukas na magkaka alaman
sana walang Injury at Please sana walang BAD calls from the ref


UST lets go Fight!!!
-=I♥Maru=-

[sgrules]

Just backread some of the posts above and I conclude....marami-rami rin palang FANTARDS ang Ateneo, anoh?!

Puro banat lang wala naman ka-sense-sense!

Kesyo Gervacio is the best utility spiker this season (HELLO?!? Kahit nga ako Tigress fan would admit na Gumabao is DEFINITELY the BEST utility spiker this season!)....

Kesyo hindi TOTOO ang pag-pipeak ng Tigresses kasi inconsitent (as if naman uber-consistent ang ADMU girls. Remember, muntikan na rin sila masulot ng ADU Falcons for a win na controversial pa nga!).....Sige sila na ang CONSISTENT.....kasing consistent ng JUMP SERVE ni Gervacio at RECEPTION ni Valdez!

Kesyo over-the-top daw ang sagot ni Maru..... and since we are already talking about over-the-top interviews already...Sino ba ang makakalimot sa MAS OVER-THE-TOP at SUPER-OVER-OVER-TO-THE MAX PA-KOLEHIYALA interview ni FILLE (no offense meant to her pero kahit gusto ko siya natawa talaga ako sa kanyang sagot, intonation and actuation during one of her interviews last season)?!?!

Ano ba gusto niyong i-sagot ni Maru Banaticla after being asked what does she think is their advantage over the ADMU Lady Eagles?...."Hmmmmm....Wala po yata, malamang talo kami sa kanila.....", sabay saludo ala-GIRL scout?!LOL!
Of course she would give an answer that will LIKELY boost her morale as well as her team's.

Basta ako, WHOEVER wins deserve their slot in the Finals and hopefully give the Lady Archers a good fight!!!NO EXCUSES!!!

Andami pang sinabi nya about Fille. Yan ba ang TRUE ATENEO FAN? itong si tigercub papansin talaga to eh. Ang lakas pa ng loob magpanggap na Ateneo fan kuno sya? e hindi naman.

saka anong over to the max pa kolehiyala si Fille? ikaw kaya interviewhin tignan natin kung may masabi ka pa.