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  1. #801
    [QUOTE=gamemaster;63195017]No. A box office flop is a film where the costs exceed the gross regained by the outfit.

    If a film is profitable it is definitely NOT a flop one. People here are confusing a flop movie with a film being a not-so-good performer COMPARED with other films.[/QUTTE]

    If that's the case, then no one but the producer has a right to call a movie a flop because only he knows how much he spent for the movie.

    Unless of course you work for the production company and you've personally seen the accounting records.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 143brent9 View Post
    I'm just giving you examples kung bakit mas malaki ang production cost ng isang film company compared to the other.. ganun lang naman yun eh..

    ako? hindi naman ako namimilit na paniwalaan ako ng ibang nakakabasa ng messages ko eh.. like i've said many times.. i'm just stating my observation regarding promotional strategy ng SC and GMA FILMS.. alam mo naman ang totoo eh since fanatic ka ng ABS eh.. and kung trip mong i-deny ang facts then it's up to you..

    regarding 6 mos/3 mos.. ay.. sobrang exaggeration naman yan.. ibabalik ko lang sayo ang tinanong mo sa akin... sino ang maniniwala sayo nyan???

    sino nga ba sa atin ang nakikisabay sa BITTER WAVE dito?? wala rin naman akong sinabing HINDI ko tanggap na mas kumikita ang SC kesa sa GMA FILMS..

    my opinion regarding standards ng FLOP and HITS po ang tinutukoy ko..

    kaya nga tulad ng sabi ko noon.. ang 55-70m para sa REGAL, VIVA and even GMA FILMS ay maituturing hit na para sa mga film company'ng binanggit ko..

    meron ba akong sinabing KASIRAAN sa STAR CINEMA??

    regarding ratings and claims na yan.. this is not the right venue for such topic.. ibibigay ko sayo ang OPINION KO sa ibang thread.. if okey lang sayo..

    at galing na mismo sayo nanggaling na mas SOSYAL at MAS MAY PERA ang SC kaya HINDI MALAYONG MAS GINAGASTUSAN nila ang mga pelikula nila...

    buhay ka pa pala?


    anyway, kumusta ang pinagyayabang mo na THE ROAD, te?

  3. #803
    Quote Originally Posted by adz View Post
    buhay ka pa pala?


    anyway, kumusta ang pinagyayabang mo na THE ROAD, te?
    sobra ang promotion at hype sa the road na iyan huh ano pala gross non?


    Nanuod ako ng ggv at pbb ngayon infairness isang beses lang ang trailer! kahit may promo sa show mismo thru guesting sa ggv pero hindi tadtad sa trailer macheck din next week dahil meron nagmamarunong dito na tadtad daw ang trailer ng SC movies sa pbb at ggv


  4. #804
    Quote Originally Posted by gamemaster View Post
    I Will Always Love You never reached the 100M mark. If you double check the GMA financial disclosure for the year 2006, the highest grossing movie they released was Till I Met You which grossed more than 90M. IWALY's final gross is around 80M.
    excuse me gamemaster, Let the Love Begin and I Will Love You grossed above 100M. baka young sinasabi mo ay young The Promise na nasa above 80M and final gross.

    Till I Met you and movie ni Regine at Robin na hindi kinagat ng publiko.

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    sorry for the typo error...

  6. #806
    Indie movie nga e, malaki na ang gastos, like Kimmy, 20M+ yata.
    Kung ganyan si M. Lily na magpo-produce lang ng movie na kapiranggot ang budget, hindi karapat-dapat panoorin. Basta lang pala makagawa ng pelikula, basta kumita. Wala nang pakialam sa resulta ng pelikula. Walang pakialam sa quality, total may mga pans naman na manonood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loida_verano View Post
    excuse me gamemaster, Let the Love Begin and I Will Love You grossed above 100M. baka young sinasabi mo ay young The Promise na nasa above 80M and final gross.

    Till I Met you and movie ni Regine at Robin na hindi kinagat ng publiko.
    Receipts? I mean both of you are still claiming without proofs though uncertain is the figures you both said for those movies.

  9. #808
    Quote Originally Posted by gamemaster View Post
    No. A box office flop is a film where the costs exceed the gross regained by the outfit.

    If a film is profitable it is definitely NOT a flop one. People here are confusing a flop movie with a film being a not-so-good performer COMPARED with other films.
    tama... kaya nga iba-iba ang standards ng HITS and FLOPS para mga producers eh..

  10. #809
    Quote Originally Posted by gamemaster View Post
    but if the movie was profitable wouldn't that make the lead actors bankable?

    would you still say an actor with 100M movies is bankable even if his films had excessive budgets of more than 100M each?

    remember, a film's success is not merely measured by its overall gross and an actor's bankability is measured by his producer's confidence that a return on investments is guaranteed.

    super agree..

  11. #810
    Quote Originally Posted by adz View Post
    buhay ka pa pala?


    anyway, kumusta ang pinagyayabang mo na THE ROAD, te?
    of course... buhay na buhay pa..

    ang THE ROAD??

    Well, isa sa mga gawang pinoy na ipinagmamalaki dahil sa HUSAY na paggawa..

    ang huling balita ko eh.. umiikot na sa mga filmfest worldwide.. laking KARANGALAN para sa pilipinas.. wew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by loida_verano View Post
    excuse me gamemaster, Let the Love Begin and I Will Love You grossed above 100M. baka young sinasabi mo ay young The Promise na nasa above 80M and final gross.

    Till I Met you and movie ni Regine at Robin na hindi kinagat ng publiko.
    Hanu daw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxfilipino View Post
    Don't blame the actors too much for a movie's success or failure. There are lots of variables which contributes to a movie's box office gross. The actor's popularity is just one of them.

    Take for example Julia Roberts and Tom Hanks...they are some of the most highly respected veteran actors in Hollywood, both A-listers, and have had successful movies under their belts...but they also have their shares of failures...Mirror Mirror? Larry Crowne? Eat Pray Love?

    We can't really blame Piolo's sexual orientation, whatever it may be...there are very successful gay men in hollywood...Neil Patrick Harris? Which is kind of ironic, because his most popular role to date, Barney in How I Met Your Mother, is a known womanizer...the fact that he is gay didn't ruin the "magic" of his part, and people still accepted it.

    The only thing we can expect from an actor is if, he or she can play the part well. That's it. the movie's success may or may not depend on him/her.

    For example Batman....The most successful Batman movie is the Dark Knight (over $1 Billion worldwide gross)...the lead, Christian Bale was the weakest link of that film...but everything else clicked...the story, the production, the dialogue, the villain...etc. it was a good movie, that's the reason for it's success. Christian Bale's performance? Well, if you can take his grating voice as Batman, more power to you.

    Looking at it another way...George Clooney is one of Hollywood's biggest actors, ever...a definite A-lister...but when he took up the Batman role, with Arnod Swarzenegger (another Hollywood giant back then), what happened? It was one of the least successful Batman movie, it was so bad that Warner Brothers decided to kill the franchise...and reboot. So, what happened? Well, the story sucked, the production was over-the-top, and batman-nipples...people were turned off...so, what happened to Clooney's star power? Why didn't his popularity save the movie? The plain reason is, he couldn't have. People will watch a good movie more than watching actors...one of the reason a movie becomes "good" is if it has the right actors for the parts, among so many other reasons...so, one actor alone is not the end all or be all of a movie's success or failure.

    Take a look at last year's No Other Woman...do you really think that movie was such a big hit because of the actors? Cristine Reyes just had a flop (Tumbok)...Anne Curtis' Who's That Girl was a mild box office hit, nowhere near No Other Woman...so, who was the "it" factor which made their movie such a huge hit? Derek Ramsey? Of course not! It was a combination of, people could relate with the story, and the witty dialogues...then in the following weeks, people were curious why it was such a big hit, that they checked it out (me, included), which made their movie an even bigger hit...and at that time, the biggest Filipino movie ever...until a couple of months later when Praybeyt Bejamin unseated them from that position. But the stars only contributed to that success... and not the only reason.

    Terms like "bankable star" is an illusion. Some stars are lucky enough to be included in a good film, but are not really popular (ex. Derek Ramsey's No Other Woman and Praybeyt Benjamin)...and some actors have had the misfortune of being included in a mediocre movie, but is actually very popular and very good (ex. Marian Rivera's Super Inday and Tarot). About Marian Rivera...her other movies...My Bestfriend's Girlfriend, You to Me Are Everything, and Shake Rattle And Roll X-Nieves, are actually very good and have been very successful....Temptation Island is an oddity...it's a bad film, but it still made money...by the looks of things, Every breath U Take won't even reach Temptation Island's final gross (more than $1.4M or over P61M).

    Of course, there are those who transcends a bad movie, and people will still watch whatever movie they make, like Vic Sotto's Enteng roles...but that's more of the exception rather than the rule.


    Quote Originally Posted by foxfilipino View Post
    Actually, Tarot did not flop... Regal Film's cost to make the film was only P6M....the movie grossed P18M during its 3 week run...so may profit parin.

    Super Inday, it's hard to gauge, because I don't know how much they spent to make the film...but it also grossed around P18M.

    I do not know why people keep on making snarky comments about Marian Rivera's popularity or "bankability"? She remains one of the most popular and highest paid actresses in the country...there is a reason for that. GMA keeps on giving her projects...if her shows do not rate, they won't give her starring roles on primetime...at best, they will just stick her on their afternoon soaps, or put her in supporting roles...but that's not the case. She remains GMA's primetime queen, because she is very popular and "bankable.

    As for movies...her latest movie (where she is the lead, so, not Panday 2)...Temptation Island...earned more than Piolo Pascual's Every Breath U Take...Temptation Island's first 5 days earned somewhere in the vicinity where Coco Martin's latest movie, Born To Love You, is currently in right now during its first 5 days (over $600K), according to Box Office Mojo....and I am sure Star Cinema fans will agree that Coco Martin is currently the country's most popular actor, thanks to the success of his soap with ABS-CBN. And I read an article posted here, that Coco Martin's movie, also starring Angeline Quinto, is a "success" because of him.

    Films in the Philippines are not expected to earn astronomical amounts, because of limited market. There are films which break the mold and perform more than expected, like No Other Woman or Pribeyt Benjamin, but those are more the exception, rather than the rule. So, don't use them as the yardstick which other movies are measured by. Look at the cost to produce and market the film, double that amount, and you will probably arrive at the break-even amount of the film....anything more than the break-even amount, and you have a movie which made money and not a flop...if it earns considerably more than that, you have a box office hit...and if a movie earns more than P100M, then that's a super-blockbuster hit. And so on.

    Going back to Marian Rivera's movie career...looking at her list of films, all of them made money (including Tarot...not sure about Suepr Inday, but at P18M, i think it's a safe assumption they made their money back)...3 were super block-busters (bestfriend's girlfriend, You to Me Are Everything, Panday 2)...the rest are hits (One True Love, Desperadas 1 and 2, Shake Rattle And Roll X)....so, about her "consistency that some of you pointed out, she is quite consistent...all of her movies are profitable.

    Let's take a look at Star Cineman's most "bankable" stars, their reigning box office queens are Anne Curtis and Cristine Reyes...they are lucky that their No Other Woman film grossed astronomical numbers...but look at their previous movies before No Other Woman....Cristine starred in Tumbok...that movie flopped, it was only in theaters for 1 week. Anne Curtis' Who's That Girl was a mild hit...but Marian's Temptation Island grossed more. Look at Angel Locsin...she had 2 major hit movies...In The Namer of Love and Unofficially Yours...but look at ANGELS, her biggest flop....What about Love Me Again...that grossed P65M, that's around Marian's and Anne's average earning films.....is she not "bankable" as well?

    ...Again, NO ONE IS IMMUNE FROM FLOPS....some movies will earn money, some won't....a movie's success or failure is not only due to the actors or actresses in the film...most of the time it's because of the STORY, PRODUCTION, DIALOGUE...


    As for your comment about "Madaming artistang popular pero konti lang ang bankable"....name one star without any flop....Even Sharon Cuneta has had her share of flops...example her latest movie- Mano Po 6, it only grossed P42M...Marian's average hits like Temptation Island, Desperadas or One True Love grossed more than that.

    Stop the hating...and just appreciate and support filipino movies.
    Quote Originally Posted by akoito413 View Post
    Piolo-angel locsin Love me again grossed 65M? Really? That movie sucked. Can't forget it 'coz I felt I wasted my time and money on this movie.
    a hypocrite and a pretender, "stop the hating" daw!
    leave Angel Locsin alone, she is happy and contented with the way her career is going on right now. it's pretty obvious that you kapuso fellas are still deeply bitter over Angel's transfer to abs - cbn. she is not of your concern anymore, mind only MR issues raised here. kayo rin ang nagsimula nyan, ngayon tigas ng mga mukha nyong ikumpara ang mga kita ng movies ni Angel sa idol nyo. JUST REMEMBER ONE THING, MARIAN IS NOT THE QUEEN OF GMA RIGHT NOW AND ENJOYS THE PERKS OF BEING A "PRIMADONNA" HAD ANGEL DID NOT LEAVE GMA7.

    NO matter how much her movies grossed over the years, does not change the fact that she is still the most popular star of her generation. idolized by the younger ones both from GMA and Abs CBn. Marian is just a mere copy cat of her path to success, but never did surpass the charisma of the ORIGINAL FIRST DARNA ON TV!

  14. #813
    greatpexer I know where you are coming from but if you read my posts I did NOT say any hatred againsts angel. I was just saying that I did not like the movie. Period. In fact, the movie had a lot of "not -good-reviews". Napalurk then post lang ako dito dahil sa EBYT movie ni Piolo and not because of angel. Somebody posted LMA gross here so napapost lang ako dahil hindi ko talaga nagustuhan ang LMA.

  15. #814
    sorry spiglao, typo error, it should be:

    Till I Met You ang movie ni Regine at Robin na hindi kinagat ng publiko.

    just bought a new pc and naninibago pako.

  16. #815
    akoito413, its ok if indi mo nagustuhan ang LMA, wala naman problem dun. regarding sa kinita ng LMA, its above 65M, it was declared na 70.1M ang kinita ng LMA(not counting the gross sa overseas market ng ABS CBN)...may list pa noon na napost na rin before dito sa box office thread(2009) na lamang lang ang LMA sa Ang Tanging Pamilya ng 100k sa gross....

    pero sa suma tutal, hindi flop ang LMA, hindi lang siguro nameet ng movie ang expectation ng Star Cinema na dapat lagpas 100M ang gross nito kasi nga Angel Locsin-Piolo Pascual starrer ito. we dont know kung magkano ba talaga ang production cost nito, only the producers knows kung kumita ang movie or not. kung ang movie ay ginastusan ng 20M at nag gross ng around 60M, I think, kumita pa rin. like for example, ang Regal films, produce ng produce ng mga walang kawawaan mga pelikula and yet kahit na mga around 30M lang ang final gross (with the exception of TI na naka more than 50M ang gross)e patuloy pa rin sa paggawa ng movies.

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    Kalurkey ka eh mas malaki pa kinita ng Till I Met You sa Love Me Again noh.

  18. Jun 12, 2012, 06:07 PM

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    Nakakatawa naman ang thread na ito.

    Yung isa sabi ang movie na may total gross na 18m IS NOT A FLOP. Tapos yung isa naman sinabi na FLOP yung movie na kumita ng 65m.

    Ano ba talaga? Sabi nga ni Gamemaster, maglabasan kayo ng source ng production cost bago tawaging flop ang isang pelikula. Net income daw ang basehan. Pwes, magkandarapa tayo sa paghanap ng production cost.

  20. #818
    Basta production cost, GMA daw ang magaling , eh di ba nga ika ni Gozon : "Pinagkagastusan natin to mga Kapuso"





  21. #819
    Quote Originally Posted by spiglao2 View Post
    loida

    Kalurkey ka eh mas malaki pa kinita ng Till I Met You sa Love Me Again noh.
    sorry naman spiglao, I stand corrected.....

  22. #820
    Quote Originally Posted by ScareYouOften View Post
    Basta production cost, GMA daw ang magaling , eh di ba nga ika ni Gozon : "Pinagkagastusan natin to mga Kapuso"





    iyon na nga tapos kapag flop ang movie biglang labasan mga pexer dito na kapuso sasabihin na hindi flop dahil mura lang ang production sa movie, 3 weeks lang ang shoot, mas mahal daw ang production ng SC kaya dapat mas mataas ang standard



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