What can we do? Fearsome problems in Muslim integration with Christians

[bier_trinker]

Muslims don't integrate well with any religion.

[jkakldjflkja]

There will never be an integration.

The Christians believe in the morbid fatalism that they will be persecuted and killed as the Second Coming draws near. The Muslims on the other hand believe that they are the ones who will do the persecuting and killing as the Second Coming draws near.

These two religions are not antithetical with each other. In fact they complement each other in an apocalyptic embrace. They fit each other like jigsaws in the prophetical puzzle. There may be exceptions like Singapore and arguably New York. But will they remain an exception as time goes by?

it's surreal how it's all coming true, isn't it?

[kos_mos]

prublema sa mga muslim gusto nila quick easy scheme to earn money. ayaw nila mag banat ng buto.

Without first attempting to respond to the TS, I deemed it necessary to request that you correct your sentence and not generalize.

The Muslims are more than one billion in this world, and saying they all wish quick easy scheme for money earning is just utterly unfair.

[kos_mos]

You think that Muslims are just like Christians. The more religious they are, the more peaceful and kind they are?

You're dead wrong. It's exactly the opposite.

The most devout Muslim is the most violent. The Muslims who knows his Koran, teaches in Madrassas, and knows how to speak arabic is the most violent. Muslims use their religion to justify their evil acts. In fact their religion teaches them not to see Christians and other non-Muslims as people but pigs, abominations that must be decapitated to make Allah happy.

Taking Islam by heart means killing Christians.

Wow. I may not necessarily describe myself as a devout Muslim as that is a level beyond my current self, but I certainly know my Qur'an, I'm qualified to teach in Madrassas, I'm perfectly capable of speaking mistake-free Arabic (I work as a translator for an Arab Embassy), so by your understanding, I'm surely a bad-arse violent Muslim living in Metro Manila.

[Papichulo168]

It already did decades ago with the formation of the ARMM. In NCR we have no-go-zones already like Maharlika Village.

Really? A no-go-zone right here in the Metro? Wtf is a no-go-zone?

This is the reason why these communities should be controlled.

[OmmMara]

Assimilation with other culture and religion was never in the Islamic agenda.

This is true, but not all muslims. Yun lang a "good" muslim, na sumusunod talaga sa sinasabi sa Koran nila, would view every Christian as their enemy, and not brothers, this is according to my cousin na nakapag asawa ng muslim, ngayon muslim na din siya.

Yung asawa naman niya, mabait sa amin, kahit Katoliko kami, she can even say "God bless", so I don't know..Sana katulad na lang niya ang lahat ng muslim.. yung nagrerespeto ng iba kahit hindi nila katulad.

Takot din ako sa muslim.. bata pa lang ako.. sinasabi na sa akin ng parents ko, na huwag akong makikipag talo sa isang muslim, lalo na sa mga pamilihan.

Nakakatakot naman talaga, lalo na yung mga news na pinapatay nila, just like yung pinugutan nila ng ulo na bata, pati pamilya niya sa Thailand.

[andresbonifacio2]

1. This is not a religious thread.
2. This is a secular issue.
3. No theological points please. I am sure you can and please do try to go around any theological or religious themes.
4. This only pertains to the Philippine setting. Personally I pointed out Metro Manila and Cavite issues. But if there are more please share them.
5. Again please no theological or religious points please.

Thank you and a new year once more.

[andresbonifacio2]

Without first attempting to respond to the TS, I deemed it necessary to request that you correct your sentence and not generalize.

The Muslims are more than one billion in this world, and saying they all wish quick easy scheme for money earning is just utterly unfair.

This acts as an addendum to post #47 and I agree with kos-mos no generalization please.

As TS I really prefer the local scenario if possible with regard to NCR and Cavite.

I've been skimming the latest updates and will try to post something about them A.S.A.P. (medyo hapit sa work, sensya po fellow Pexers)

[andresbonifacio2]

MANILA, Philippines — Officials of the Quezon City Police District (QCPD) have met with Muslim leaders in Islamic communities.

QCPD director Chief Superintendent Mario dela Vega said that he and other police officials met on Tuesday afternoon with leaders of the Quezon City Muslim Consultative Council (QMMC) which is headed by retired police Superintendent Jameel Jaymalin.

Those who participated in the meeting, which started at around 2 p.m. and lasted up to 4 p.m., included Muslim leaders in the political, business, and religious sectors, he said.

The police official said that he wanted the help of the organization “in preserving peace and order in their respective areas and communities.”

He cited that Quezon City has about 25 mosques and Muslim communities in Barangays Culiat, Fairmont, Payatas, and Sta. Monica.

“We wanted to establish better cooperation between police and Muslim communities in Quezon City,” he said.

Dela Vega lamented that two QCPD policemen have died at the hands of some Muslims in Fairmont last December and Culiat earlier this month. It can be recalled a policeman got killed during an operation against illegal firecrackers in Fairmont while a policemen who was waiting for his daughter was ganged up and shot by a group of men in Culiat.

The police officials also raised during the meeting that persons engaged in the illegal drugs trade continue to take refuge in Muslim communities in Quezon City.

“Nadadamay image nila kasi patuloy sila nagiging taguan ng drug pushers at couriers (the image of Muslim communities is being tarnished while they continue to be safe havens of drug pushers and couriers),” he said.

Dela Vega said that the Muslim leaders expressed that they do not like that drug traders make use of these communities as safe havens and wanted it stopped.

“It’s high-time to have dialogue to preserve peace and order as well as to review the organizational set-up in these communities,” Dela Vega said.

Dela Vega asked Muslim leader to also help police in providing cooperation and information against criminal elements, including terrorist groups.

“This will help us in preventing things to happen,” he said.

I hope enforcement of the law is the point here. A similar council was made between Senator Revilla and the Muslim community in Cavite. The Muslims want to ensure that the Revillas will not avenge their relatives who was gunned down in an overwhelming force. There should have been an investigation by the Police, the SOCO, and the NBI.

Please realize that the same thing is practiced in Mindanao. This is why rido, clan wars, Muslim vs. Muslim wars perpetuate in the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao. Enforcement of the law is the key. And the police should not be in a position that they need to ask permission first from the community leaders before going into their "territory" or the police needing to arm themselves with high-powered rifles before entering Muslim domains.

This affect issues #1, #2, and #3 (probably others too) directly or indirectly.

[andresbonifacio2]

This is true, but not all muslims. Yun lang a "good" muslim, na sumusunod talaga sa sinasabi sa Koran nila, would view every Christian as their enemy, and not brothers, this is according to my cousin na nakapag asawa ng muslim, ngayon muslim na din siya.

Yung asawa naman niya, mabait sa amin, kahit Katoliko kami, she can even say "God bless", so I don't know..Sana katulad na lang niya ang lahat ng muslim.. yung nagrerespeto ng iba kahit hindi nila katulad.

Takot din ako sa muslim.. bata pa lang ako.. sinasabi na sa akin ng parents ko, na huwag akong makikipag talo sa isang muslim, lalo na sa mga pamilihan.

Nakakatakot naman talaga, lalo na yung mga news na pinapatay nila, just like yung pinugutan nila ng ulo na bata, pati pamilya niya sa Thailand.

I understand your point.

I hope Filipino Muslims will understand this too.

[Rrrino43]

i dont trust muslims everytime i see a mosque in sydney i want to chain up the doors and burn it
they just want to out populate every f#cking where they go and manipulate the system
when push comes to shove the moderate muslims will no doubt side with their muslim brother/sister
i wish the aust navy would torpedo any assylum seeker boat containing arabs but because of some bull$hit UN policy we have to take them into detention centres wasting taxpayers $$ we should just enslave them instead hehehe
bottom line is they dont assimilate and definitely dont belong in a westernised country

[vizion2012]

I don't think it has to do with them being Muslim. It's more of their primitive tribal culture passed on from generation to generation - very aggressive,territorial, and clannish like mindset. Like most of the primitive tribes in the world.

[kos_mos]

i dont trust muslims everytime i see a mosque in sydney i want to chain up the doors and burn it
they just want to out populate every f#cking where they go and manipulate the system
when push comes to shove the moderate muslims will no doubt side with their muslim brother/sister
i wish the aust navy would torpedo any assylum seeker boat containing arabs but because of some bull$hit UN policy we have to take them into detention centres wasting taxpayers $$ we should just enslave them instead hehehe
bottom line is they dont assimilate and definitely dont belong in a westernised country

The hate level in this one is soo high.

[Treetopbisho]

I beg to disagree.
In my own experience, Muslims and Christians can co-exist harmoniously.

Every year, INC conducts Medical and Dental missions in Culiat, QC. They're happy with it. We're happy too. Everybody's grateful.

If we can do it in Culiat, we definitely can implement it throughout the Philippines.

[Fenix]

I don't get why in Pinas (or maybe in other non-muslim countries as well) it seems there always has to be special consideration and extra care when the government deals with Muslims and their communities.

Pansin ko din parang akala mo lagi sila inaapi (siguro yun ang reason kaya parang bine-baby sila).

[Papichulo168]

Palawan flight delayed after bomb threat/joke by Muslim Imam.

Bomb joke delays AirPhil flight to Palawan
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(UPDATE) An Airphil Express flight bound for Puerto Princesa, Palawan on Thursday was forced to abort take-off after an irate passenger said something about an explosion.

In an interview with GMANews TV's QRT, Imam Mohammad Soror explained he was able to mention the banned term over frustrations with another passenger.

Soror said he was asking a co-passenger to transfer to another seat as Muslim traditions would not allow his daughter to sit beside a man. The passenger's refusal supposedly prompted Soror to say "sumabog na kung sumabog."

Senior Superintendent Manuel Pintado, chief of the Aviation Security Group said although Soror and his group were apologetic, they will have to undergo investigation.

The TV report said all passengers were initially asked to leave the plane, and their baggage were re-inspected.

On Twitter, user @NAIAguy said the affected flight was Airphil's Flight 2P943. At least 176 passengers were reportedly on board the plane, said Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 Manager Bing Lina earlier.

A Facebook post of a certain Aldwin Santos, who claimed he’s on board the affected flight, said that a male passenger said that “if he is not gonna have the seat that he wants, he will blow up the plane.”

“Security protocol in action, everyone needs to get off the plane, go thru xray and security protocols. Malas, delayed na delayed na,” Santos added in his post.

Lina said the seven passengers who joked about the bomb will no longer be allowed to board the plane.

They are also reportedly now in custody of the Philippine National Police Aviation Security Command.

Under local law, a false alarm joke is punishable by up to five years imprisonment and a fine of P40,000.

Anak ng baka naman 'tong mga muslim na 'to. Hindi nakakatulong sa generelizations sa inyo ang mga gawaing 'to.

[andresbonifacio2]

Without touching religion and doctrines. And I hope you see our side too.

We are helpless. Such helplessness almost makes a man angry and filled with rage that we could form an army ourselves just to be heard.

But most of us only fall back to the castle which is our ordinary homes. We have nothing to fight back your brothers that are armed to the teeth even here in Metro Manila. We have nothing to defend ourselves against being mobbed in Baclaran, Cavite, or Quiapo.

We have nothing but democracy and the Internet. And we only can voice out all of that in here. Not even the police can go to your areas.

Please understand. Our sin is that our forefathers were Muslims that converted to Christianity en masse in Luzon and the Visayas.

That Christianity developed us to become weak and very hospitable to a fault. Our solace is only in the realm of the Internet.

For a second I wished our ancestors did not convert to Christianity at all. But then again look at the infighting and killings prevalent in the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao.

My purpose as TS, is to confront and discuss these issues in a secular and democratic manner.

With this message I am already expanding my scope from Metro Manila and Cavite; to nationwide.

[andresbonifacio2]

Palawan flight delayed after bomb threat/joke by Muslim Imam.

Bomb joke delays AirPhil flight to Palawan
By Shielo Mendoza | Yahoo! Southeast Asia Newsroom – 2 hours 29 minutes ago



Bomb joke delays AirPhil flight to Palawan
Yahoo! Southeast Asia Newsroom - 2 hours 29 minutes ago
More
(UPDATE) An Airphil Express flight bound for Puerto Princesa, Palawan on Thursday was forced to abort take-off after an irate passenger said something about an explosion.

In an interview with GMANews TV's QRT, Imam Mohammad Soror explained he was able to mention the banned term over frustrations with another passenger.

Soror said he was asking a co-passenger to transfer to another seat as Muslim traditions would not allow his daughter to sit beside a man. The passenger's refusal supposedly prompted Soror to say "sumabog na kung sumabog."

Senior Superintendent Manuel Pintado, chief of the Aviation Security Group said although Soror and his group were apologetic, they will have to undergo investigation.

The TV report said all passengers were initially asked to leave the plane, and their baggage were re-inspected.

On Twitter, user @NAIAguy said the affected flight was Airphil's Flight 2P943. At least 176 passengers were reportedly on board the plane, said Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 Manager Bing Lina earlier.

A Facebook post of a certain Aldwin Santos, who claimed he’s on board the affected flight, said that a male passenger said that “if he is not gonna have the seat that he wants, he will blow up the plane.”

“Security protocol in action, everyone needs to get off the plane, go thru xray and security protocols. Malas, delayed na delayed na,” Santos added in his post.

Lina said the seven passengers who joked about the bomb will no longer be allowed to board the plane.

They are also reportedly now in custody of the Philippine National Police Aviation Security Command.

Under local law, a false alarm joke is punishable by up to five years imprisonment and a fine of P40,000.

Anak ng baka naman 'tong mga muslim na 'to. Hindi nakakatulong sa generelizations sa inyo ang mga gawaing 'to.

Thank you for this update.

Apart from this there also in the news related to the topics and issues I've posted in #1.

1. Theproblem in Pasig City connected to the Muslim dominated drug trafficking that involved a reporter who was shot recently in the Metro.
2. The bombing in Puerto Princesa involving the expanding immigrant community wherein an ex-MILF was involved.
2.1. Questions:
2.1.1. Why does the police have to ask permission and coordinate first with the village elders to make an arrest? Implement the law please, at the same time please follow the barangay and local government.
2.1.2. The suspect was a former MILF who surrendered and was supposedly reformed. Why did he have access to bomb materials?
2.1.3. There should be transparency in the investigation. The missing links in the acquisitions of materials for an IED must be established and revealed to the press.
3. The fighting between MILF and MNLF that resulted to evacuations by non-aligned Muslim families.
4. The bombings in Cotabato (please remind me if I am wrong).
5. The shooting of the vice-mayor of Cotabato City.

I am only writing from memory. The news is filled with the problems of Muslim and Christian integration. However many of these (and the most deadly) involve Muslim vs Muslim aggression.

A great part of this can be solved by an iron-fist implementation of the law. We must also plead and if needed on bended knees that Muslims must adhere to the law and be open to law enforcement. We also must plead and beg for them to please respect our culture and traditions.

[LITHIUM478]

Without touching religion and doctrines. And I hope you see our side too.

We are helpless. Such helplessness almost makes a man angry and filled with rage that we could form an army ourselves just to be heard.

But most of us only fall back to the castle which is our ordinary homes. We have nothing to fight back your brothers that are armed to the teeth even here in Metro Manila. We have nothing to defend ourselves against being mobbed in Baclaran, Cavite, or Quiapo.

We have nothing but democracy and the Internet. And we only can voice out all of that in here. Not even the police can go to your areas.

Please understand. Our sin is that our forefathers were Muslims that converted to Christianity en masse in Luzon and the Visayas.

That Christianity developed us to become weak and very hospitable to a fault. Our solace is only in the realm of the Internet.

For a second I wished our ancestors did not convert to Christianity at all. But then again look at the infighting and killings prevalent in the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao.

My purpose as TS, is to confront and discuss these issues in a secular and democratic manner.

With this message I am already expanding my scope from Metro Manila and Cavite; to nationwide.

Christianity was established around 2,000 years ago, while Islam was established 1,400 years ago (which is 600 years after Christianity). Therefore it is not correct to say that our forefathers sinned converting to Christianity. My forefather may had been a pagan or an 'espiritista' but not necessarily a Muslim.

Islam came to the Philippines because of trade, and Christianity through conquest. Interestingly, Islam is also currently assimilating with Christians because of trade (e.g. dibidi, tiangge), while some Christians are converting to Islam, especially in the Middle East, for apparent practical and economic reasons, while some Christians are busy with their in-fighting and building their own sects.

[Papichulo168]

Really? A no-go-zone right here in the Metro? Wtf is a no-go-zone?

This is the reason why these communities should be controlled.

Maaga pa lang dapat hindi ine-encourage itong mga muslim "no-go-zone" na 'to sa Metro Manila. Dapat style Tondo police ang pag e-enforce sa mga lugar na 'to. Identify all their leaders and salvage/liquidate the most belligerent ones.