K-12 education plan to be implemented in SY 2012-2013

[stubborn]

Most jobs that don't require a college degree (e.g., call center work, bank tellers, assessors, computer programmers, graphic designers) should require only K-12 plus up to a year of V/T training.

According to one article mentioned earlier, various PH and foreign business organizations fully support the K-12 program and will adjust educational requirements for work. This is based on the premise that the present system is actually already K-12 plus superfluous time and costs (i.e., ten years of pre-tertiary schooling plus around 60 units of general education required by CHED for college plus around 1.5 to 2 years of majors), except that students have to essentially pay for an additional four years of what should be a college degree (but actually isn't) for work that doesn't require a college degree. In addition, he may have to take up two more years of management training with the company before becoming a manager.

With the new system, the student should have to pay for only a year of training before being able to work right away. The college degree should be used as a pre-requisite for managerial and supervisory ranks, etc. Thus, a worker who receives up to a year of training may work right away, then while working use his earnings (or supported by his company in return for a service contract) to take night classes (usually, connected to management training in his company) and, with his year of training credited, receive a degree, diploma, or credentials which in turn will be used as proof that he passed management training and can be promoted to manager.

I think this system is followed in Australia, and ASEAN members like Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and others want the same. That is, come up with tracked systems with credited modules for lower costs and greater flexibility. This is also what other organizations want, including APEC, the Euro zone, etc.

then its still not minus two years before work.

think about it.

10 years of highschool.

+2 years of training is equal to those jobs you have said.

instead of 12 years of k-12 and another year of training.

thats 13 years.

when was the last time a student took a standardized exam? may i ask?

and those exams are not accurate.

you know why?

principals often choose which sections to take the exams to get more fund allocation.

and often a few weeks before the exam the students are given a refresher course. so as to up their scores.

[stubborn]

Around 50 pct, and there may be several causes connected to the high cost of education. For example, one set of data on family expenditures by percentages reveals that the amount allocated to alcohol, tobacco, and personal gifts is equivalent to that of education: around 3 pct of total expenditures. And then there's the small amount allocated to education in general by PH.

Unfortunately, all of these problems have to be solved in order to join APEC.

so what do you think would happen to the drop out rate if we extend the years they are in school by 2?

would the the drop out rate lessen?

i don't think so.

you're going to make it worse.

imbes na naka hs grad ang isang estudyante.

magiging k-12 drop out siya.

is that progress?

[stubborn]

Most jobs that don't require a college degree (e.g., call center work, bank tellers, assessors, computer programmers, graphic designers) should require only K-12 plus up to a year of V/T training.

According to one article mentioned earlier, various PH and foreign business organizations fully support the K-12 program and will adjust educational requirements for work. This is based on the premise that the present system is actually already K-12 plus superfluous time and costs (i.e., ten years of pre-tertiary schooling plus around 60 units of general education required by CHED for college plus around 1.5 to 2 years of majors), except that students have to essentially pay for an additional four years of what should be a college degree (but actually isn't) for work that doesn't require a college degree. In addition, he may have to take up two more years of management training with the company before becoming a manager.

With the new system, the student should have to pay for only a year of training before being able to work right away. The college degree should be used as a pre-requisite for managerial and supervisory ranks, etc. Thus, a worker who receives up to a year of training may work right away, then while working use his earnings (or supported by his company in return for a service contract) to take night classes (usually, connected to management training in his company) and, with his year of training credited, receive a degree, diploma, or credentials which in turn will be used as proof that he passed management training and can be promoted to manager.

I think this system is followed in Australia, and ASEAN members like Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, and others want the same. That is, come up with tracked systems with credited modules for lower costs and greater flexibility. This is also what other organizations want, including APEC, the Euro zone, etc.

you do know that bank tellers in the larger banks are all college graduates right?

a computer programmer with no college degree?

how could k-12 graduate get those jobs eh kung ka kompetensiya eh college graduates?

DLP might help again?

eh ultimo nga mga sales lady sa sm yung iba dun eh college graduate pa.

[stubborn]

you also know that the annual population growth of the philippines is 2.7%.

thats 1.9 million per year.

you think the lack of classrooms and teachers are going to be solved by extending the years a student has to spend in a classroom?

how can you say na may masmatutunan ang student sa uncongested curriculum pero wala namang teacher?

eh wala ngang mag tuturo.

pano matututo?

maswerte na ang studyante kung meron siyang teacher pagpasok niya.

ayan ang filipino mentality eh.

kung kelan kailangan kahit hindi kaya eh gagawin.

parang mga kasalan at birthday.

uutang ka ng uutang para lang makapaghanda ka.

pero sa mga susunod na araw.

ikaw rin ang mahihirapan dahil pinilit mo ang hindi mo naman kaya gawin.

[dogster_jr]

then its still not minus two years before work.

think about it.

10 years of highschool.

+2 years of training is equal to those jobs you have said.

instead of 12 years of k-12 and another year of training.

thats 13 years.

when was the last time a student took a standardized exam? may i ask?

and those exams are not accurate.

you know why?

principals often choose which sections to take the exams to get more fund allocation.

and often a few weeks before the exam the students are given a refresher course. so as to up their scores.

It's still minus two years to be employable under K to 12. 2 years for Senior High School at age 18.

The additional 2 years in Senior High School "may" already includes training "depending" on the result of the student's aptitude test, a career assessment exam, and an occupational interest inventory for high schools.

There would be an in-depth specialisation for students depending on the occupation/career track they wish to pursue.

So it is not 13 years in basic education.

Isn't The National Achievement Test (NAT) a standardised exam? Please enlighten me.

I will not delve into the accuracy of NAT results and how the Principals go about it.

But I do know that the The National Achievement Test (NAT) results for grade 6 in SY 2009-2010 showed only a 69.21% passing rate while the NAT results for high school is at a low 46.38%.

Moreover, international tests results in 2003 Trends in International Mathematics and Science study (TIMSS) show that the Philippines ranked 34th out of 38 countries in HS Math and 43rd out of 46 countries in HS II Science. Moreover, the Philippines ranked the lowest in 2008 even with only the science high schools joining the Advanced Mathematics category.

"Maybe" as the result of a congested curriculum.

[dogster_jr]

you do know that bank tellers in the larger banks are all college graduates right?

a computer programmer with no college degree?

how could k-12 graduate get those jobs eh kung ka kompetensiya eh college graduates?

DLP might help again?

eh ultimo nga mga sales lady sa sm yung iba dun eh college graduate pa.

In the current system a BS degree is required in majority of jobs in the Philipines. Compare that to our ASEAN neighbours, USA, Canada, Europe and Australia with a 12 year basic education.

Spot the difference? The sheer readiness of their High School graduates to take part in the real world.

Based on personal experience with proper- in depth training and right attitude High School graduates have what it takes to compete with College Graduates.

That's exactly the case in point, K-12 graduates should be able to compete with College graduates as they will have a specialised training unique to their talents and skills.

The Government will partner with the Private - Business Sector to allow K- 12 graduates to compete in a level playing field in some of the jobs that would have otherwise required a College Diploma.

K to 12 will result to a genuine "Equal Opportunity Employers"

Imagine at age 18, K to 12 graduates would have access to decent jobs with decent pay allowing them to support themselves should they decide to pursue University Education.

They will no longer depend on their families.

Don't you think there's something wrong when they require Sales Ladies, Baggage Counter Personnel, Bar Tenders, Hotel Receptionists etc., to have a College Diploma?

[dogster_jr]

you also know that the annual population growth of the philippines is 2.7%.

thats 1.9 million per year.

You also know that most countries in the world (developed and developing) have to contend with an ever growing population.

It's up to us (our Government) to invest now or do nothing. Either way the competition in the global market will even be tougher.

you think the lack of classrooms and teachers are going to be solved by extending the years a student has to spend in a classroom?

how can you say na may masmatutunan ang student sa uncongested curriculum pero wala namang teacher?

The resource gaps: lack of classrooms, teachers and books can be solved by pouring more funding to DepEd and with Public- Private Partnership. It won't take overnight to be solved.

The more appropriate question is: Will the in- action of the Government to implement the much needed reform just because of the naysayers solve our ailing education system?

eh wala ngang mag tuturo.

pano matututo?

maswerte na ang studyante kung meron siyang teacher pagpasok niya.

That's why the Government is pouring more money to hire highly skilled teachers.

Have you heard of 1000 Teachers Program:

http://pbed.ph/pages/1000-teachers-program

OBJECTIVE:

To encourage, through a scholarship supported with a stipend, the best and brightest graduating high school seniors to take degrees in education, specifically majoring in English, Math, and Science.

To help improve the quality of teachers in the Department of Education by producing 1000 quality teachers who will join the public school system four years hence.

One Step At A Time.

ayan ang filipino mentality eh.

kung kelan kailangan kahit hindi kaya eh gagawin.

parang mga kasalan at birthday.

uutang ka ng uutang para lang makapaghanda ka.

pero sa mga susunod na araw.

ikaw rin ang mahihirapan dahil pinilit mo ang hindi mo naman kaya gawin.

The relevant Filipino mentality is to resist change just because . . .

Alternative Option: Zilch!

Let's not implement K to 12 until the resource gaps are "all" addressed.

Until when? I don't know just shelve the idea of Education Reform for now, when other countries continue to heavily invest in their human capital.

[dogster_jr]

Korak. Because college grads are vying for the same position...

FYI I had a good read about k12 so be a little less sarcastic. The goal is to convert people to like k12.

College Graduates maybe after the same position but the sad truth is, they don't have the core competencies required for the job. Whatever happens to the result of their on the job training in College remains to be seen.

Whereas, you have High School graduates who are competent for the job with the right attitude.

My position is for them to be judged based on their competency, skills and experience not merely on their educational attainment.

I'm glad you had a good read on K to 12.

On topic: the end goal is for the reader to have an informed choice regarding K to 12 based on facts not merely on perception.

We can choose to agree or disagree with it as long as we can present alternative solution.

[Kray0n]

you do know that bank tellers in the larger banks are all college graduates right?

a computer programmer with no college degree?

how could k-12 graduate get those jobs eh kung ka kompetensiya eh college graduates?

DLP might help again?

eh ultimo nga mga sales lady sa sm yung iba dun eh college graduate pa.

ummm, thanks for pointing out how badly needed the k-12 program is?

[dogster_jr]

Sa lahat ng purpose bakit kailangan ang K-12, dyan ako naiinis. Bakit ba ang goal natin eh ang magtrabaho sa ibang bansa? Its like the government like to churn out more overseas workers.

Congested yan kasi nga kulang ang teachers at kulang ang rooms at public schools.
Nagtataka pa sila bakit mahina ang bata na graduate ng high school, eh potak 50:1 ang ratio students to teachers, nagsisiksikan sa mainit ng classroom, baha pa sa loob pag tag-ulan. Yung iba mas marami pa dyan at napakaraming sections. Ang teacher stagnant ang teaching skills, taragis di nga marunong magcomputer eh, tapos maghapon ang trabaho nila maliit pa ang sweldo minsan delay pa. Anong kalidad ang edukasyon ang inaasahan nila dyan?!? Yung libro, bulok din minsan hiraman pa. Tapos ang sagot nila eh longer years of education? Yan ba ang resulta ng pag-aaral nila?!? P.I. yan!
Taon taon dumadami ang mag-aaral. Taon taon yan at yan ang problema. Di masolusyunan ng mga P.I. mga Congressman na nagpapakayaman sa pork barrel nila. Just imagine, isang pork barrel lang, ilang rooms at libro ang mapapagawa mo dyan. May budget din naman separate ang Governor.
Di naman sa ayaw ko na makapantay sa ibang bansa sa larangan ng edukasyon pero P.I. ang dahilan nila dito eh para makapagtrabaho ang professionals natin sa ibang bansa. Di pa ba tayo natutuyuan ng professionals sa Pinas.

Congested na pero nakakapag singit pa sila ng religion subject.

The K to 12 is not being implemented for the sole purpose of exporting our highly skilled professionals overseas.

K to 12 happened to have a 12 year basic education, our 10 year basic education is not at par with international standard. We are lagging behind.

Therefore K to 12 merely provides option should Filipino professionals (Engineers, Psychologists, Doctors, Engineers, Scientists etc., ) opted to pursue a career or study overseas.

Simply put, a congested curriculum means students have to learn a bulk of subjects for 10 years when they can learn, absorb and be trained for it for 12 years.

I agree to most of your points regarding the resource gaps as a factor in the erosion of the quality of our Education however the Government is investing more money to our Education like never before. I want to give it a fair go.

[peternato9]

eto nanaman si Personal Experience boy, "Based on personal experience with proper- in depth training and right attitude High School graduates have what it takes to compete with College Graduates. " you are no longer making sense at all, pa ulit ulit ka nalang eh kahit anung sabihin mo hindi makakapag compete ang HS grad sa college grad. simple logic lang yan...

In the current system a BS degree is required in majority of jobs in the Philipines. Compare that to our ASEAN neighbours, USA, Canada, Europe and Australia with a 12 year basic education.

Spot the difference? The sheer readiness of their High School graduates to take part in the real world.

Based on personal experience with proper- in depth training and right attitude High School graduates have what it takes to compete with College Graduates.

That's exactly the case in point, K-12 graduates should be able to compete with College graduates as they will have a specialised training unique to their talents and skills.

The Government will partner with the Private - Business Sector to allow K- 12 graduates to compete in a level playing field in some of the jobs that would have otherwise required a College Diploma.

K to 12 will result to a genuine "Equal Opportunity Employers"

Imagine at age 18, K to 12 graduates would have access to decent jobs with decent pay allowing them to support themselves should they decide to pursue University Education.

They will no longer depend on their families.

Don't you think there's something wrong when they require Sales Ladies, Baggage Counter Personnel, Bar Tenders, Hotel Receptionists etc., to have a College Diploma?

[peternato9]

hindi naman required yan eh ang problema kase wala ngang trabaho sa Pilipinas kaya ibang college grad pumapasok jan. and Bar tenders needs special trainings. hotel receptionists should be college grads.

Don't you think there's something wrong when they require Sales Ladies, Baggage Counter Personnel, Bar Tenders, Hotel Receptionists etc., to have a College Diploma?

[peternato9]

how? your comprehension skills are pathetic. I pity your parents, paying your tuition and despite overstaying in school you are still dumb.

ummm, thanks for pointing out how badly needed the k-12 program is?

[dogster_jr]

eto nanaman si Personal Experience boy, "Based on personal experience with proper- in depth training and right attitude High School graduates have what it takes to compete with College Graduates. " you are no longer making sense at all, pa ulit ulit ka nalang eh kahit anung sabihin mo hindi makakapag compete ang HS grad sa college grad. simple logic lang yan...

Pexers, do you agree with the above post?

Should Employers prefer a College Graduate who does not have the core competencies for the job over a High School Graduate who does not have a diploma but has demonstrated skills to deliver results for the company?

Competency, Talent, Skill, Work Ethic over a Diploma?

Take your pick.

Because K to 12 is to better prepare students for a decent employment.

[Cutie_Chabelita]

I do not agree with this but to those who are looking for the President to display his political will. You already have it. Implementing an unpopular policy because he believes that is the right thing to do.

[dogster_jr]

hindi naman required yan eh ang problema kase wala ngang trabaho sa Pilipinas kaya ibang college grad pumapasok jan. and Bar tenders needs special trainings. hotel receptionists should be college grads.

That's why under K to 12 Bar Tenders/Baristas (Vocational) need not be a college graduate before they can get a job. They can be trained in TESDA within the additional 2 years in Senior High.

K to 12 Graduates can apply as a Hotel Receptionist and be accepted even without a College Diploma.

You would agree with me that there are a handful of jobs in the Philippines that need not require a College Diploma. They only need to demonstrate Vocational/Technical/Trade skills and do the job.

[peternato9]

dati na po yan wala pang K12 pwede ka na mag train sa TESDA kahit hindi ka HS grad, san mundo ka ba nakatira? hirap sa call center agents hindi nakatira sa realidad.

"K to 12 Graduates can apply as a Hotel Receptionist and be accepted even without a College Diploma."

Good luck with this tingin mo ba tatanggapin ng Manila Hotel, Shang rila, Dusit ang mga K12 graduates instead sa college grads? gising boy.

That's why under K to 12 Bar Tenders/Baristas (Vocational) need not be a college graduate before they can get a job. They can be trained in TESDA within the additional 2 years in Senior High.

K to 12 Graduates can apply as a Hotel Receptionist and be accepted even without a College Diploma.

You would agree with me that there are a handful of jobs in the Philippines that need not require a College Diploma. They only need to demonstrate Vocational/Technical/Trade skills and do the job.

[peternato9]

sa tingin mo ba tatanggapin ng SGV ang K12 grad instead sa Accounting grad? isep isep! hindi puro spiel.

Pexers, do you agree with the above post?

Should Employers prefer a College Graduate who does not have the core competencies for the job over a High School Graduate who does not have a diploma but has demonstrated skills to deliver results for the company?

Competency, Talent, Skill, Work Ethic over a Diploma?

Take your pick.

Because K to 12 is to better prepare students for a decent employment.

[peternato9]

that's not political will that is a grave insensitivity to the poor. bumisita ka sa mga public school tignan mo yung mga naghihirap na mga bata mahahabag ka, promise. wag lang yung nood sa tv pumunta ka mismo

I do not agree with this but to those who are looking for the President to display his political will. You already have it. Implementing an unpopular policy because he believes that is the right thing to do.

[juanito5354]

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