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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by freelancer_babe View Post
    Awful? Ngayon pa lang at 23?

    It's never too late to save.

    I started saving just last year. I'm over 30 already. I first learned of this stuff of saving, investing and financial freedom when I was around 29 though. It took me a while because I didn't have a stable job already and I had to establish my income in freelancing.

    So where should your monthly 3k (or more) go? Tama ang sabi ng iba rito, allot budget for savings first then spend the expenses. Kung kaya mo pang magtira sa expenses, then that's even better. Try mo ring bawasan ang expenses mo sa salon at sa clothes. Just go for what you need muna until you have established your finances.

    Sa akin kasi may priority list ako na sinusunod - which many are following din. You might find it helpful. Here it is:
    1) pay high-interest debts first. I mean settle your credit card debts and short term high interest personal or salary loans. Hindi kasama ang mga long term loans like that housing loan - consider that payment na lang as a monthly expense.

    In your case, pay that laptop loan first. Sa CC pa naman nakaloan kaya ang mahal ng interest. You'd better take a loan next time from PAGIBIG and SSS since they give much lower and reasonable interest rates (I also loaned a badly needed laptop that way almost two years ago).

    If possible take out a loan from PAGIBIG and SSS to pay your loaned laptop. Kumbaga you're paying debt with another debt but at an advantage - for you to pay lower interest.

    2) establish emergency fund that is covers 3 to 6 months of expenses. Dapat nakasave ito on liquid investments - meaning, you should have easy access to these funds when you need it. Consider savings these emergency funds in a savings (passbook, or if you have that great discipline, ATM), time deposit/CD ladder and SDAs.

    Never put that emergency fund in rural banks - like yung plano mo na i-time deposit sa Bank of Makati. They are just too risky (maraming bank runs dito) and they are best used for investing. Even if PDIC promises to pay you, I heard it takes years before you are able to get the amount you've put in.

    Better put that money on one of those big three banks right now - BDO, BPI, Metrobank. Even if the interest payment is too low.

    You only use these emergency funds when you lose your job, pay hospital bills and any other life and death matters. Laptop repairs, new laptop purchase, house repairs, car breakdown, ... are things that are NOT classified as emergency funds - pagipunan mo ang mga unexpected, non-emergency but important expenses in another bank account. In your case yung P1000 to 2000 for anything na dapat bilhin, yan ang pwede mong ilagay sa unnecessary expenses account mo.

    Note that, if you opt not to have HMO or health insurance (you just have Philhealth, like I do and your company doesn't also offer you such) then you will need to increase your emergency funds from 6 months to one year.

    Check emergency funds each year, kung applicable pa ang amount. Add more to it kung hindi na. May loss kasi sa inflation ang mga savings, TDs at SDAs.

    3) pay for life insurance that you can afford. Get a term life insurance that you need to pay as long as you are working. Since 23 ka pa lang, get a term life insurance that you will be paying until that age that you plan to stop working - say mga 60 years old ka na.

    Forget VULs (those life insurances that come with mutual fund investments, even if your agent offers it for the reason that you have to establish your retirement funds) - you'd find na mahal ang premiums ng mga ito.

    How much life insurance do you need? - should have the face value of least 5 years of expenses. In your case mga P1M face value. It's also important to get that life insurance at top institutions like Sunlife, Philam life, AXA, etc as long as they are sure payers. Don't over insure though, sayang ang pera.

    If you are not really the breadwinner and have no dependents (that is, mouths to feed, or brothers or sisters to send to school, or parents that already depend on you, or even just a spouse or partner) then you may skip this one.

    4) get HMO or health insurance. If you opt not to get an HMO or health insurance like me then you will have to build a bigger emergency fund (mga 6 months to a year).

    You'd never know kung kailan ka magkakasakit.

    At least pay for Philhealth if you do not have one yet. But I still recommend getting a separate HMO or health insurance.

    Hindi ako kumuha nito because sa case ko mas magiging magastos sa akin. I have two senior citizens depending on me, at dahil sa age nila hindi na sila pwedeng i-cover ng mga HMO. Kaya, ganun rin, I'd end up saving for their expenses pa rin.

    Plus hindi lahat covered ng mga HMOs and health insurances - at least on what I've found so far.

    If you find a good HMO/health insurance with very good coverage, let me know.

    5) save for retirement. Kahit wala ka pang dependents. Mahirap tumanda ng walang pera.

    Sa iyo pa lang, minsan-minsan ka pa nga nakakapagbigay back home - I presume that the fund is for your parents?

    There are a lot of expenses after you have retired from work. Bigger electric bills at home, hospital/health expenses, food, etc. If you plan to travel at this age, then allot sufficient budget for it.

    Mahirap kung aasa ka pa rin sa kid mo. After all, your newly grown up kid would also struggle din and would most likely have personal finance problems like you are experiencing right now, di ba? Baka tulad mo, minsan-minsan na rin makakapagbigay kung may extra talaga siya.

    So how much retirement fund that you need? It should sufficiently cover the years that you think you will still be living - from age 60 to age 80 siguro.

    Since you are still young, better invest most of the funds in moderate to aggressive investments: balanced mutual funds, balanced UITF, equity mutual funds, equity UITF, stocks. Huwag sa time deposit, savings at SDAs because these instruments doesn't give interest rates that exceed inflation - may loss ka sa inflation over time when you use these. Also, huwag rin sa rural banks ilagay no matter how high the interest.

    6) Investing. When you finally reach this stage, you may say that you have started to be financially free. Dito ka na maglaro sa investing. Dito mo na gawin ang binabalak mong mag-earn sa mga risky rural banks like that Bank of Makati. Put up a business. Invest in stocks that pay out cash dividends, invest in government securities that also pay out dividends... and still learn more ways how to establish passive income.

    Yung passive income mo, pwede mong gamitin to buy your wants - a car, a nice gadget, travelling, pampering sa salon, etc.

    ----
    A long way to go huh? Still it's better to know that you want to save - finally!

    Do #1 first, followed by #2. Pwedeng pagsabayin ang #3, 4, 5 and 6.

    By the way, avoid loaning money to friends and relatives unless you really have extra money. Hindi ako agree na magpahiram ka ng 2k sa sure payer na friend mo when you are having difficulties with money matters yourself. Dapat wala sa monthly budget mo ang mga pahiram na pera sa mga friends at relatives and never ever touch that emergency funds para lang magpahiram ng pera.

    In many cases hindi na bumabalik ang pera napahiram sa ganito. If your sure payer friend suddenly loses her income, or has to spend for emergencies or got into some money trouble, then it's already goodbye to your 2k. Too risky this way.

    For relatives, just use the emergency funds lang for yourself, or for your parents and other dependent brothers and sisters (those with no work and no family yet and would depend on you for income).

    And for your coin bank - it's good to have that. Ako naman, I keep a coin bank just for gifts and donations. Yung matitira ko sa na-budget kong pera last week, it's gets to the coin bank kahit na paper bills pa - so I don't really select which type of coins and bills to put in. I have accumulated quite a good amount, so I decided to open a bank account for this at another bank away from my primary bank accounts. When time comes, like this December na maraming reregaluhan, I spend part of that amount for those gifts. That way, hindi ako nabibigla sa mga gifting expenses. The fund is untouched until I need to withdraw for those special occasions.

    Pag malaki rin ang gifting fund ko, the extra goes back to where it is needed - maybe increase emergency fund, add more to unnecessary expense account, retirement, or just plainly investing it.

    wow super help!! I have a question, what is inflation? and is it okay if i get a secure credit card? like put 15k dun kasi i wanted din mag pundar ng gamit.. kasi Im living Alone and I dont have anything sa bahay not even a chair, except sa lalagyan ng damit, mattress, fan at stove na kinuha ko lang sa bahay. plano ko kasi kahit papaano magpundar ng gamit from time to time. like this year I wanna buy kahit tables and chair, washing machine at mini ref for the house yun lang. is it wise? oh expense lang yun kasi pag bumili ako nun tataas din kuryente ko..

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by KITHE ORTIZ View Post
    Base sa mga sinabi mo, lahat ng sweldo mo ay napupunta sa expenses mo, so ibig sabihin pwede mangyari na up to the last centavo ay mauubos, at pwede na mangutang ka pa.. wag mo muna bilangin as savings yung money na wala pa sa kamay mo..

    Try to list down all your expenses and para makita mo kung alin ang pwede mo bawasan na di naman masyado important para maging savings mo..

    Okay yung goal mo na mag invest, pero UNA mo dapat gawin ay magSave ka muna at least 3 months of your salary (since you are single), if you have family at least 6 months sa bank na di mo gagalawin.

    SECOND, get insured habang bata ka pa, get a life insurance na kaya mo bayaran ang premium, like 1k monthly, mas maganda kasi kung may billing, dahil magiging FORCE SAVINGS mo na yun for long term.

    San yung premium na yan? pano kumuha?

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by osipmandelstam View Post
    Or eyahnism, if you want a secure yet high-yielding deposit type of account, you can choose to invest in RTBs (Retail Treasury Bills.)
    Ano po yung RTB? ant san yang bank?

  4. #24
    Sorry guys! Im too naive sa mga financial terms.actually sa pex ko nga lang nalaman yung mga yun ee.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by eyahnism22 View Post
    wow super help!! I have a question, what is inflation? and is it okay if i get a secure credit card? like put 15k dun kasi i wanted din mag pundar ng gamit.. kasi Im living Alone and I dont have anything sa bahay not even a chair, except sa lalagyan ng damit, mattress, fan at stove na kinuha ko lang sa bahay. plano ko kasi kahit papaano magpundar ng gamit from time to time. like this year I wanna buy kahit tables and chair, washing machine at mini ref for the house yun lang. is it wise? oh expense lang yun kasi pag bumili ako nun tataas din kuryente ko..
    Hehehe, thanks!

    Inflation? Hmm... di ba every year tumataas ang presyo ng bilihin like gasoline, groceries at iba pang basic needs - effect yan ng inflation. More on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

    Dito sa pinas mataas-taas din ang inflation rate natin. Pero di rin maganda sa economy na mangyari ang opposite ng inflation - deflation! Kailangan paunti-unti lang ang pagtaas ng inflation.

    Actually makakabili ka na kahit via cash or ATM/debit card para sa mga gamit mo sa bahay. Kumuha ka ng CC later kung extrang-extra mo na ang P15k at di ka ma-approve-approve sa regular CC. Yung 15k na para sa secured CC kasi, di mo pwedeng galawin yun. Tapos iba pa ang babayaran mong billing sa CC pa. Kung nakatagal ka na sa job mo - mga more than 2 years siguro, mag-apply ka ng regular CC.

    Mas makakatipid ka pa kung may kasama ka sa bahay, para hati kayo sa gastos sa gamit. Ganun ang ginawa ko noon. Kung pwede rin magdala ka na lang ng gamit na hindi ginagamit ng mga kamag-anak mo para di ka na masyadong gagastos.

    Pero ang pinaka-tipid pa rin ay kung nakatira ka sa mga kamag-anak mo kasi may mga gamit na sila. At least doon masisimulan mo na mag-ipon ng pang-emergency fund, pag okay ka na dyan saka ka na pwedeng mag-isip na bumukod at bumili ng sarili mong mga gamit.

  6. #26
    INCOME-SAVINGS=EXPENSES.

    it helped me a lot to save actually. what i do is every payday, i withdraw all my salary and deposit around 5K immediately to my savings account. then i compute my expenses with the remaining cash i have on hand.
    it really works. and i also owe a lot to my parents that ever since i was young i already learned how to save my allowance in school.
    i don't like borrowing money from others that's why i always see to it that i have money for emergency purposes.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by freelancer_babe View Post
    Hehehe, thanks!

    Inflation? Hmm... di ba every year tumataas ang presyo ng bilihin like gasoline, groceries at iba pang basic needs - effect yan ng inflation. More on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

    Dito sa pinas mataas-taas din ang inflation rate natin. Pero di rin maganda sa economy na mangyari ang opposite ng inflation - deflation! Kailangan paunti-unti lang ang pagtaas ng inflation.

    Actually makakabili ka na kahit via cash or ATM/debit card para sa mga gamit mo sa bahay. Kumuha ka ng CC later kung extrang-extra mo na ang P15k at di ka ma-approve-approve sa regular CC. Yung 15k na para sa secured CC kasi, di mo pwedeng galawin yun. Tapos iba pa ang babayaran mong billing sa CC pa. Kung nakatagal ka na sa job mo - mga more than 2 years siguro, mag-apply ka ng regular CC.

    Mas makakatipid ka pa kung may kasama ka sa bahay, para hati kayo sa gastos sa gamit. Ganun ang ginawa ko noon. Kung pwede rin magdala ka na lang ng gamit na hindi ginagamit ng mga kamag-anak mo para di ka na masyadong gagastos.

    Pero ang pinaka-tipid pa rin ay kung nakatira ka sa mga kamag-anak mo kasi may mga gamit na sila. At least doon masisimulan mo na mag-ipon ng pang-emergency fund, pag okay ka na dyan saka ka na pwedeng mag-isip na bumukod at bumili ng sarili mong mga gamit.
    Actually me kasama ako sa bahay, kas oparang naiisip ko pag hati sa gamit, what if aalis na kami kanino mapupunta yung gamit? errr.

    and auko kasi makitira sa kamaganak madaming bad experience and mas napapagastos ako sa kamaganak kasi prang laging gusto eh bigyan ko sila.lol!

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by _Zei_Emu_ View Post
    INCOME-SAVINGS=EXPENSES.

    it helped me a lot to save actually. what i do is every payday, i withdraw all my salary and deposit around 5K immediately to my savings account. then i compute my expenses with the remaining cash i have on hand.
    it really works. and i also owe a lot to my parents that ever since i was young i already learned how to save my allowance in school.
    i don't like borrowing money from others that's why i always see to it that i have money for emergency purposes.

    I think malaki sahod mo para makapag ipon ng 5k,and you don't have dues to pay like, bahay, kuryente right?

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by eyahnism22 View Post
    Actually me kasama ako sa bahay, kas oparang naiisip ko pag hati sa gamit, what if aalis na kami kanino mapupunta yung gamit? errr.

    and auko kasi makitira sa kamaganak madaming bad experience and mas napapagastos ako sa kamaganak kasi prang laging gusto eh bigyan ko sila.lol!
    parang ganito, ref sa kanya, washing machine sa iyo; murang sofa sa kanya, sa iyo ang tables at chairs sa dining room.

    pag may umalis sa inyo, kunin nya gamit nya. pwede rin namang option ang pagbenta sa gamit.

    mas mahirap naman kung sa iyo rin lahat ng gamit.

    magastos kasi ang gumastos pa lang sa gamit.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by eyahnism22 View Post
    I think malaki sahod mo para makapag ipon ng 5k,and you don't have dues to pay like, bahay, kuryente right?
    no. my salary's not that high, once a month kasi ang sweldo ko. so it's like 2.5K per payday for others.

    i live with my parents, i don't pay for rent, electricity bill, water, food. i give a certain amount to my mom at sya bahala magbudget nun. the rest is my money for the rest of the month. i also bring baon to work. totoo, it works wonders. hindi kasi ako sanay sa luto ng ibang tao unless fastfood chain. gusto ko pagkain sa bahay, nasanay ako ng ganun simula nung bata pa ko. malaking gastos kasi ang food eh. tapos kung pwedeng maglakad to work i do that if malapit lang naman yung lalakarin. exercise na rin.

    magandang iwasan din siguro ang pag-utang, kasi it will just burden you. i have credit cards i leave it sa bahay kasi it's very tempting eh. i just use it kapag may promo or kapag may kailangan talagang bilhin and i don't have access to money.

    dapat lang talaga may naitatabi ka every payday no matter what amount. para lagi kang may extra fund in case kailanganin mo.

  11. #31
    ^^^ yup yun ang point ko, kung kaya mong tumira sa kamag-anak o kapamilya mas malaki ang matitipid, kahit magbigay ka pa sa bahay. mas magastos pa rin kasi bilhin ang gamit kaysa ang ibibigay sa bahay.

    ang secret lang dyan, itabi mo na agad ang savings mo - para pag kantyawin ka ng mga kamag-anak mo, yung nakabudget na expense lang ang gagamitin mo. alam mo kasi na yun na ang pera para sa kanila at yun na ang kaya mo.

    sa hirap ng buhay dito sa pinas, magastos na rin ang bumukod agad.

    pero true, mahirap nga kung may family issues. pero kahit anong iwas mo kapamilya mo sila at kailangan mong i-settle pa rin yan, kung meron man

  12. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyahnism22 View Post
    wow super help!! I have a question, what is inflation? and is it okay if i get a secure credit card? like put 15k dun kasi i wanted din mag pundar ng gamit.. kasi Im living Alone and I dont have anything sa bahay not even a chair, except sa lalagyan ng damit, mattress, fan at stove na kinuha ko lang sa bahay. plano ko kasi kahit papaano magpundar ng gamit from time to time. like this year I wanna buy kahit tables and chair, washing machine at mini ref for the house yun lang. is it wise? oh expense lang yun kasi pag bumili ako nun tataas din kuryente ko..
    Kung hindi mo naman kailangan, BAKIT mo bibilhin?

    Kung hindi naman mag-gegenerate ng pera yan sayo... BAKIT MO BIBILHIN?

    Hindi investment ang kahit na ano (o sinong) hindi nakakapag-balik ng pera mo. Dapat ang isip mo lagi nakatuon sa mga bagay na --- "Eto ba maipapalago niya pera ko?"
    "Kung gastos lang yan... wag na."

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    BAKIT ka bibili ng ref? Para hati kayo ng housemate mo?

    BAKIT?

    Eh nag-iisa ka lang naman sa buhay. Kung may ref ka, mapapabili ka rin ng kalan, kasi lalagyan mo ng pagkain yung freezer. May kuryente ka pa, tas gasul. Kung malamig na tubig lang ang problema mo, isipin mo na lang na masama ang malamig na tubig sa katawan. Nag-ko-cause ang malamig na tubig ng thermal shock. Kaya wag ka na mag-ref dahil sa malamig na tubig. Bumili ka na lang ng yelo paminsan minsan. Hindi praktikal ang magluto para sa iisang tao UNLESS balak mong kainin yun parehong pagkain buong araw hanggang sa maubos. Wag mong kaugalian din na magtapon ng pagkain. Kung sa kanin napapagastos ka ng 10 pesos isang cup, bumili ka na lang ng saingan.

    BAKIT ka rin bibili ng washing machine? Kung nag-iisa ka sa buhay, magtiyaga ka muna sa pakuskos kuskos ng mga damit mo. Tutal hindi ka naman yata masyadong mabaho pag pinagpapawisan. Gumastos ka na lang sa magandang sabon, tulad ng Ariel. Matuto ka rin magrecycle ng mga damit pantulog at pantalon pang alis. Labhan mo lang araw araw t-shirt at underwears mo.


    UMIWAS ka na lang din sa magastos na pamumuhay. Kung ang mga kamag-anak mo ay gatong para mapagastos ka, jan ka na lang sa tinitirhan mo ngayon. Manood ka na lang ng TV. Magbasa ka ng libro. Kung gusto mong makatipid o makaipon, dapat allergic ka sa gastos. Kahit 7 pesos na ice cream man lang yan. Kahit byahe lang yan sa Tagaytay. Kahit 20 pesos load lang yan tapos magfoforward ka lang pala ng text messages o sasagot sa mga text na hindi mo naman mapapakinabangan.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by adiposethoughts View Post
    BAKIT ka bibili ng ref? Para hati kayo ng housemate mo?

    BAKIT?

    Eh nag-iisa ka lang naman sa buhay. Kung may ref ka, mapapabili ka rin ng kalan, kasi lalagyan mo ng pagkain yung freezer. May kuryente ka pa, tas gasul. Kung malamig na tubig lang ang problema mo, isipin mo na lang na masama ang malamig na tubig sa katawan. Nag-ko-cause ang malamig na tubig ng thermal shock. Kaya wag ka na mag-ref dahil sa malamig na tubig. Bumili ka na lang ng yelo paminsan minsan. Hindi praktikal ang magluto para sa iisang tao UNLESS balak mong kainin yun parehong pagkain buong araw hanggang sa maubos. Wag mong kaugalian din na magtapon ng pagkain. Kung sa kanin napapagastos ka ng 10 pesos isang cup, bumili ka na lang ng saingan.

    BAKIT ka rin bibili ng washing machine? Kung nag-iisa ka sa buhay, magtiyaga ka muna sa pakuskos kuskos ng mga damit mo. Tutal hindi ka naman yata masyadong mabaho pag pinagpapawisan. Gumastos ka na lang sa magandang sabon, tulad ng Ariel. Matuto ka rin magrecycle ng mga damit pantulog at pantalon pang alis. Labhan mo lang araw araw t-shirt at underwears mo.


    UMIWAS ka na lang din sa magastos na pamumuhay. Kung ang mga kamag-anak mo ay gatong para mapagastos ka, jan ka na lang sa tinitirhan mo ngayon. Manood ka na lang ng TV. Magbasa ka ng libro. Kung gusto mong makatipid o makaipon, dapat allergic ka sa gastos. Kahit 7 pesos na ice cream man lang yan. Kahit byahe lang yan sa Tagaytay. Kahit 20 pesos load lang yan tapos magfoforward ka lang pala ng text messages o sasagot sa mga text na hindi mo naman mapapakinabangan.
    Super like your post! Thank you! talaga. Siguro naiisip ko lang bumili ng ref kasi nga gusto ko magluto and lagay lang sa ref, and regarding sa washing machine kasi ang hirap matuyo ng damit ko kasi ang liit ng sampayan and minsan wala na talaga ko time maglaba.. pero i think hindi nga naman necessity to buy it.

  15. #35
    grabeh you guys help me a lot! from now own I will try to save muna atleast 3k every payday.. so 6k in a month

  16. #36
    by the way, mas advisable ba yung magrocery ng sachet, or in bulk lang shampoo na nasa tube ****, or sachet? or lang pagbibili ng grocery na maramihan or grocery *** **** na pang half ng payday?

  17. #37
    ^^ I would suggest you buy the bottled ones eyahn para tipid at environment friendly. As much as possible, at least patingi-tingi lang nakakatipid ka na. sachets are a hassle na din. Kung ikaw lang din ang gagamit bottled na lang para mas matagal.

    The factors that shape what I spend is, not surprisingly, my parents . Out of my 28k net income every month, I give them 10k. Nowadays I proposed that I give them 8k at least. Pati nga yung 16k ng 20k ko na 13th month pay sa kanila napunta. O ha?

  18. #38
    Your parents have raised you well. It takes some discipline to be able to give a major portion of your earnings when in reality, you don't have to.

  19. #39
    yeah..to be honest feeling ko nga ang sama kung anak kasi hindi talga ko regualarly ngbibigay.. i think that i dont have to as Im living alone naman..

  20. #40
    suggestion ko lang

    - set aside a minimum amount every month for your savings. ok lang na maliit sa simula. ang importante, maging second nature na yung pagsave sa habit mo
    - before investing, save ka muna for emergency fund. EF should cover about 6 months worth of expenses. so kung ang gastos mo monthly ay 15k, kelangan mo ng 90k as EF.
    - set goals. bakit ka ba nagsasave? gusto mo ba bumili ng sariling bahay? gusto mo ba magtravel? mas mamomotivate ka magsave and invest kung klaro sa yo kung ano gusto mo mangyari.
    - know your risk appetite. may mga free online test naman para lang may idea ka kung conservative ka ba o aggressive.
    - kung breadwinner ka o may balak ka mag-asawa at magkaanak, consider variable life insurance. may investment component na kasi yan ngayon at mas mura ang babayaran mo habang bata ka pa

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