2011 PCCL: Philippine Collegiate Champions League: There Can Only Be One

[maroonmartian]

Watched the game a while ago. DLSU deafeated MIT (an undermanned team without Nimes) 56-51. Danding Cojuangco did watch. Coach Tyrone Bautista coached the team (not Gee Abanilla). Parang ganun pa rin.

[_Bahay_Kubo_]

^ DLSU was also undermanned. Simon and Maui already graduated, Yutien was still recuperating from his injury, Sam and Arnold not suiting up. kapos kami ng limang tao.

[arkuo14]

Coach Tyrone Bautista coached the team (not Gee Abanilla). Parang ganun pa rin.

I find it funny that you contradict yourself in a single post.

Gee didn't coach the team hence; as you would put it; "parang ganun pa rin."

[maroonmartian]

What I would like to say is parang ganun pa rin DLSU.Same as the old (with Pumaren) system. Pero kasi same first game pa naman so magbabago pa yan. Tingin ko nga front lang nila yun.

Ok last na lang.I really watched the game.Even Mapua played with a very 9 (more of 8 players).Nimes is out and so is Mangahas (siya ata yung nakahood, may sakit).

DLSU had 10 players. So let's just say both teams are in the same position.

[Cool_Enz]

Nagstart na pala pero tila di pa rin nararamdaman ang PCCL. Organizers should have just stuck with the knockout format like the one used in the inaugural tournament in 2002. No seeds, no nonsense, just win or go home. It's that simple.

And just hold the tournament in one city. I'm sure there are many cities across the archipelago (especially in the Vis-Min region) that are willing to host this tournament.

[maroonmartian]

^Yun nga po.Mas tinatao ang mga provincials games kaysa sa Manila which is very sad.Or better do it on a weekend. I am ok with the four different venues (for the four Philippine Zones). Pero yun nga yung Finals venue irotate nila.

[skagway]

Nakakahiya naman ang mga organizers nito....garapalan na talaga...the format obviously ensures that one of the benefactor's teams wins the tournament....

[philambre]

Nakakahiya naman ang mga organizers nito....garapalan na talaga...the format obviously ensures that one of the benefactor's teams wins the tournament....

they released the format even before San Beda won the championship. as far as i remember Final Four ng NCAA nilabas format ng PCCL. and when the format was released, free for all pa NCAA nun.

[strandedstranger]

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[MakaveliLives]

Nagstart na pala pero tila di pa rin nararamdaman ang PCCL. Organizers should have just stuck with the knockout format like the one used in the inaugural tournament in 2002. No seeds, no nonsense, just win or go home. It's that simple.

And just hold the tournament in one city. I'm sure there are many cities across the archipelago (especially in the Vis-Min region) that are willing to host this tournament.

Ang problema, I'm sure hindi magiging willing ang mga schools na ipadala mga players nila sa isang city for the duration of the tournament. Eto nga na sa Manila yung games eh ang dami na players na hindi pinapalaro.

Kahit ano pa format or kahit ano pang venue, hindi magwowork if teams don't treat this as THE tournament to win.

Mas maganda siguro kung puro champs lang. Walang wildcard. Walang F4 team na kasali. Lahat ng champs ng lahat ng liga sa Pinas ang maglaban laban. This way, champs play against champs. Walang saling-pusa.

Sure, upsets are exciting...but not in the Philippines. IIRC, JRU (then the 6th top team in the NCAA) defeated UST (UAAP champs). Parang wala lang. Nagkaasaran lang ng konti tapos kinalimutan na. Kasi sinasabi na chamba lang kase mahina naman ang JRU nung time na yun.

Kung purely champs lang, labanan na din ng liga yun. Halimbawa talunin ng CESAFI champ ang ADMU. Yun ang upset. Pwede mo pa ba sabihin na chamba lang kase mahina naman? Eh champion yan sa liga nila eh.

[skagway]

they released the format even before San Beda won the championship. as far as i remember Final Four ng NCAA nilabas format ng PCCL. and when the format was released, free for all pa NCAA nun.

so the format was released after SBC had clobbered SSC twice in a row to secure 1st seed in F4......ganun na rin yun....

the question remains - what did the UAAP & NCAA champs do to deserve automatic semifinal berths and a twice to beat advantage?

[strandedstranger]

so the format was released after SBC had clobbered SSC twice in a row to secure 1st seed in F4......ganun na rin yun....

the question remains - what did the UAAP & NCAA champs do to deserve automatic semifinal berths and a twice to beat advantage?

I think historically the one of the UAAP champs would usually end up bagging the title. Instead of running the risk of causing a debate on which league is superior over the other, they decided to include the NCAA champ to the F4 round robin.

[Drahow ein Ente]

so the format was released after SBC had clobbered SSC twice in a row to secure 1st seed in F4......ganun na rin yun....

the question remains - what did the UAAP & NCAA champs do to deserve automatic semifinal berths and a twice to beat advantage?

good point if this is true. historically no ncaa team since 2000 has successfully overcame the twice to beat advantage. pero theoretically equal footing pa rin sila sa finals.

ganito na lang gawin dyan:

first, tunawin nila yung MVP trophy, tapos convert nila to cash, tapos ipamigay nila sa mahihirap sa proceeds

second, yung mga championship trophies (if any) are at stake per game. retain or change the current format, it doesn't matter, as long as in every game the trophy (if any) is at stake. that way, the winner gets to win all of the collegiate trophies for the year.

imagine if a team like JRU wins it all. they'd get SBC's AND ateneo's trophies.

pero in the end, ang excuse lang kung matalo ay either of the following:
di namin sineryoso
wala ang matinong player namin
win or lose its the school we choose
once a schoolmate always a schoolmate
etc etc etc

[chezzo-ominae]

IMHO sana adopt na lang FIBA groupings, drawing of lots of 16 teams into 4 groups para maiwasan na yung mga issues concerning the previous years format

Pabor ako dito. Single round robin sa apat na groups. Top 2 teams in each bracket will advance in the quarterfinals, and so on..

[greener]

Ang sa akin lang, kung talagang pangit ang PCCL - format, organization, sponsors, etc., Eh huwag nang sumali ang ibang teams. Ateneo na lang at San Beda. Ngayon, kung sasali ang ibang teams eh sumunod na lamang sila sa patakaran at huwag nang maraming reklamo.

[MakaveliLives]

so the format was released after SBC had clobbered SSC twice in a row to secure 1st seed in F4......ganun na rin yun....

The same scenario happened in 2009. Baste won the first round encounter and then SBC defeated them twice (including the playoff game) to secure the first seed. Baste went on to win the crown anyway. This is why their battlecry last Finals was Deja Vu.

If the rumor that the Semerad twins have already left SBC is true, then ADMU now has an almost clear path for a PCCL 3peat.

[Drahow ein Ente]

The same scenario happened in 2009. Baste won the first round encounter and then SBC defeated them twice (including the playoff game) to secure the first seed. Baste went on to win the crown anyway. This is why their battlecry last Finals was Deja Vu.

If the rumor that the Semerad twins have already left SBC is true, then ADMU now has an almost clear path for a PCCL 3peat.

if the reports are true the semarads will enroll in the summer "sem" so they won't be in the PCCL roster

[Jockey_Tiyan]

Lintik naman PCCL yan eh, every year pabago bago ng format, tapos pabor sa MVP teams. Dapat hindi ganyan para mabigyan naman ng exposure yung ibang schools, most likely in Vis-Min schools.

[Milo96]

the question remains - what did the UAAP & NCAA champs do to deserve automatic semifinal berths and a twice to beat advantage?

The organizers knew that the early part of the tournament would conflict with national duty at the sea games & conceivably, the teams that would loan players are that of the uaap & ncaa champs.

If the ncaa & uaap champs got knocked out early without the luxury of a complete roster, you can be assured that the PCCL crown would be meaningless.

[maroonmartian]

This year's PCCL will be hit after that Semerad bros transfer to Ateneo. The rivalry now rekindled.

That's is the drama.