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    God and the Word of God (Jesus the truth, the way and the life)

    Let us study and make conversation about God, the Word of God and Jesus Christ.

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    Thanks mod nakura for the action

    pinatunayan mo lang na hindi corrupt ang systema ng pex at may magagawa ka against member who attack disrespectfully.

    asahan ko ang patuloy na action.

    salamat.

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    james, how about you initiate on what particular thing you want to be discussed.

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    Ako ang daan, ang katotohanan at ang buhay- JOHN 14:6

    maganda ito kapatid ang topic unahan ko na sa aking pananaw:

    May IIsang Dios at Si Hesus as. ay isang Sugo ng Dios kaya may salita ng Dios, si Hesus sa kapanahonan nya ay isa syang katotohanan, daan at ang buhay na tulad ng mga nakaraang din mga Propeta SNKP.

    ATING PATUNAYAN SA BANAL NA BIBLIYA:


    KATOTOHANAN:

    John 5:24 Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Ang dumirinig ng aking salita, at sumasampalataya sa kaniya na nagsugo sa akin, ay may buhay na walang hanggan, at hindi mapapasok sa paghatol, kundi lumipat na sa kabuhayan mula sa kamatayan.

    DAAN:

    Mat 7:13 Kayo'y magsipasok sa makipot na pintuan: sapagka't maluwang ang pintuan, at malapad ang daang patungo sa pagkapahamak, at marami ang doo'y nagsisipasok.
    Mat 7:14 Sapagka't makipot ang pintuan, at makitid ang daang patungo sa buhay, at kakaunti ang nangakakasumpong noon.
    Mat 7:15 Mangagingat kayo sa mga bulaang propeta, na nagsisilapit sa inyo na may damit tupa, datapuwa't sa loob ay mga lobong maninila.

    BUHAY:
    Joh 17:3 At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.

    PAALALA LAMANG SA MGA KAPATID: na hindi ibig sabihin silang nga Sinugo at Proepta ng Dios ay isa na rin dios, kung ating sinusunod ang mga kautusan ng ating mga Propeta ay malamang tayo nagkakaisa sa iisang layunin ng nag IIsang Dios kung kayat tayong nagiging mabuting Linikha ng Dios....
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    I'd still want to see first james has to say.

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    Hi James can you explain why a baptist deacon and 4 pastors are complaining about you?

    Aren't you a Baptist yourself?



    Dear Pastor Nap,

    Greetings in Christ!

    I am Leonard Castaneda, a deacon of Danao Baptist Church, which is affiliated with the Baptist Conference of the Philippines.

    I am writing you in behalf of many members of the christianster.com forums about the behavior of James Gutierrez, who claims to be a member of your church, The Word Baptist Church, with address at Phase 1 Camatchiles, Mabalacat, Pampanga, Philippines 2010.

    James has been active in the Christianster forums (link: http://www.christianster.com/ctan/ht...untry=filipino) for almost a year, and has been the subject of numerous complains by members of the said forums, and despite advice, exhortations and rebukes by older Christian members, including at least 3 Baptist pastors, James persists in being a nuisance in the site. I will not describe what he has been doing in the site, but rather, would like to encourage you to visit the site for yourself and ascertain how this professed member of your church has been interacting with people here. Here is a sample thread in the forum that you may wish to visit: http://www.christianster.com/ctan/ht...untry=filipino. It contains his latest posts in the site, up to the time when I told him htat I, in behalf of many members, would try to contact you and formally bring to your attention how this person has been behaving.

    Suffice it to say that many of us consider his behavior to be demeaning to the overall Christian witness, particularly that of Baptist believers, and by mentioning your church every now and then, it leaves a wrong impression of your church and its members. We have told him several times last year that we intended to contact you, and after each instance, he has somewhat mellowed, only to return to his usual abrasive behavior.

    We hope that you would give due attention to this matter.

    Sincerely,

    Pedro Leonard G. Castaneda
    Deacon, Danao Baptist Church

    PS. I have copy-furnished some members of the forums with this letter, including 4 pastors, who happen to know about James.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James20307 View Post
    Thanks mod nakura for the action

    pinatunayan mo lang na hindi corrupt ang systema ng pex at may magagawa ka against member who attack disrespectfully.

    asahan ko ang patuloy na action.

    salamat.

    ^Fair talaga yan si Admin Nakura, mabait, pantay sa lahat ng Pexers and hindi judgemental.


    More power po admin Nakura.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James20307 View Post
    Let us study and make conversation about God, the Word of God and Jesus Christ.
    Sure no problem.

    Si Jesus nagkasala din. Ano masasabi mo dito?

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    Narinig mo na ba ang kasabihan ni James na --"ah basta..."

    Sorry ka na lang Leonard Castaneda, Pastor Nap and the rest of the baptists community, preacher James is doing all these things in the Internet....in the name of God and the Word of God (Jesus the truth, the way and the life).
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    Capt. Chin, what say you about the challenge I laid out for you? are you up to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebragais View Post
    maganda ito kapatid ang topic unahan ko na sa aking pananaw:
    Hindi nakukuha sa sariling pananaw ang kahulugan ng sinasasabi ng Biblia. Kailangan ay ang Dios mismo, mula sa Kaniyang mga salita (o mula sa mga nasusulat) at sa Kaniyang patnubay (Siya bilang siyang Espiritu Santo at IKALAWANG SAKSI), ang magpapaliwanag nito.

    May IIsang Dios at Si Hesus as. ay isang Sugo ng Dios kaya may salita ng Dios, si Hesus sa kapanahonan nya ay isa syang katotohanan, daan at ang buhay na tulad ng mga nakaraang din mga Propeta SNKP.
    Iba ba ang Ama sa Anak? Sa kinuha mong talata na Juan 14:6, sundan natin ang sinabi ni Jesus:

    John 14:7 "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."


    ATING PATUNAYAN SA BANAL NA BIBLIYA:


    KATOTOHANAN:

    John 5:24 Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Ang dumirinig ng aking salita, at sumasampalataya sa kaniya na nagsugo sa akin, ay may buhay na walang hanggan, at hindi mapapasok sa paghatol, kundi lumipat na sa kabuhayan mula sa kamatayan.
    Si Jesus ang KATOTOHANAN dahil Siya ang Ama ng katotohanan.

    Deuteronomy 32:4 "He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."


    DAAN:
    Mat 7:13 Kayo'y magsipasok sa makipot na pintuan: sapagka't maluwang ang pintuan, at malapad ang daang patungo sa pagkapahamak, at marami ang doo'y nagsisipasok.
    Mat 7:14 Sapagka't makipot ang pintuan, at makitid ang daang patungo sa buhay, at kakaunti ang nangakakasumpong noon.
    Mat 7:15 Mangagingat kayo sa mga bulaang propeta, na nagsisilapit sa inyo na may damit tupa, datapuwa't sa loob ay mga lobong maninila.
    Si Jesus (sa papel na Anak ng Dios) ang DAAN dahil sa mga itinuro Niyang mga daan, o paraan ng kaligtasan (at hindi Siya mismo ang daan). Ito ay sa pamamagitan ng pagbibigay-halimbawa - sa salita at sa gawa:

    1Peter 2:21 "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:"

    Kung paanong sa salita at sa gawa ay ipinakita Niya ang daan ng kaligtasan, maging dapt ay maging ganoon din tayo.

    [B]BUHAY:
    Joh 17:3 At ito ang buhay na walang hanggan, na ikaw ay makilala nila na iisang Dios na tunay, at siyang iyong sinugo, sa makatuwid baga'y si Jesucristo.
    Iba ang buhay na walang hanggan sa pagiging BUHAY ni Jesus. Si Jesus ang BUHAY dahil Siya ang Espiritu Santo (Acts 20:28).

    John 7:39 "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

    CONCLUSION

    John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way (SON), the truth (FATHER), and the life (HOLY GHOST)...."

    PAALALA LAMANG SA MGA KAPATID: na hindi ibig sabihin silang nga Sinugo at Proepta ng Dios ay isa na rin dios
    Psalms 82:6 I "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."

    , kung ating sinusunod ang mga kautusan ng ating mga Propeta
    James 2:11 "For he (ONE GOD) that said, Do not commit adultery (huwag espirituwal na mangangalunya), said also, Do not kill (huwag espirituwal na papatay)."

    Mga kautusan ng Dios ang mga kautusan at ng mga propeta. Ang mga kutusan ay espirituwal. Nakauunawa ka ba ng wikang espirituwal para masabi mong dapat ay sinusunod natin ang mga utos ng Dios?

    Romans 7:14 "For we know that the law is spiritual..."

    ay malamang tayo nagkakaisa sa iisang layunin ng nag IIsang Dios kung kayat tayong nagiging mabuting Linikha ng Dios....
    Ang mga kautusan ay ibinibigay para maging batayan natin kung paano tayo nagkakasala sa Dios, at hindi para sundin agad.

    Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

    Matapos na ang "faith" na isa sa mga bunga ng Espiritu na si Jesucristo (2 Corinto 3:17) ay maipagkaloob sa atin, doon pa lang maaaring mangaral ng evangelio ang isang tao.

    Galatians 3:25 "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

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    it still baffles me that there are religious leaders who teaches that Jesus and the Father are one and the same.....I mean, when Jesus was on the cross, He called out to the Father right? so isn't it insane to call out the Father if Jesus is also Him?

    it just doesn't make any sense....at all

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    ^wala pa ba sina Doriarty, Ballpark at Iscrotum?


    ^they fit the bill para sa thread na 'to e, chaaarrr!!!!






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    Quote Originally Posted by Totnak View Post
    it still baffles me that there are religious leaders who teaches that Jesus and the Father are one and the same.....I mean, when Jesus was on the cross, He called out to the Father right? so isn't it insane to call out the Father if Jesus is also Him?

    it just doesn't make any sense....at all

    ^hindi, may tatay pa talaga si Jesus, yung nasa taas - si God, yun yung bumuntis kay Mama mary kaya nagkaroon ng tinatawag na immaculate concepcion.

    Imagine ang layo layo, mas malayo pa sa outerspace pero nakabuntis ng taga-lupa diba, lakas ng powers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfonso209 View Post
    ^hindi, may tatay pa talaga si Jesus, yung nasa taas - si God, yun yung bumuntis kay Mama mary kaya nagkaroon ng tinatawag na immaculate concepcion.

    Imagine ang layo layo, mas malayo pa sa outerspace pero nakabuntis ng taga-lupa diba, lakas ng powers!
    that's because God is not covered by the finite boundaries of time-space continuum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totnak View Post
    it still baffles me that there are religious leaders who teaches that Jesus and the Father are one and the same.....I mean, when Jesus was on the cross, He called out to the Father right? so isn't it insane to call out the Father if Jesus is also Him?

    it just doesn't make any sense....at all
    Ako ba ang tinutukoy mo? Totnak, hindi ako isang religious leader dahil hindi ako nagpapatawag sa mga titulo ng Dios gaya ng Ama, Pastor, Reverendo, Pastol, Apostol, atbp., na ipinagbabawal ng Dios.

    Si Jesus nang nasa lupa ay dalawang papel ang ginampanan: Ang papel ng Ama, at ang papel na Anak ng Dios. Sa papel ng Ama, isinakatuparan Niya ang Tipan, sa pamamagitan ng kamatayan.

    Genesis 17:7 "At aking papagtitibayin ang aking tipan sa iyo at sa iyong binhi pagkamatay mo sa buong kalahian nila, na tipang walang hanggan, na ako'y magiging iyong Dios, at ng iyong binhi, pagkamatay mo."

    Hebreo 9:16 "Sapagka't kung saan mayroong tipan doo'y kinakailangan ang kamatayan ng gumawa niyaon."

    Sa papel na Anak ng Dios, ipinakita Niya ang DAAN ng kaligtasan, bilang modelo, sa pagbibigay ng halimbawa:

    1 Pedro 2:21 "Sapagka't sa ganitong bagay kayo'y tinawag: sapagka't si Cristo man ay nagbata dahil sa inyo, na kayo'y iniwanan ng halimbawa, upang kayo'y mangagsisunod sa mga hakbang (O DAAN) niya:"

    Si Jesus ba ang mismong DAAN paparoon sa Ama? Hindi, dahil magiging dalawa sila at sasalungat ito sa sinasabi ng Biblia na Siya ang tunay na Dios o Ama (1 John 5:20, KJV). Si Jesus ang DAAN dahil sa mga DAAN ng kaligtasan na Kaniyang itinuro, at hindi Siya mismo ang DAAN.

    Hindi ba si Jesus ang siyang Dios na Espiritu (kaluluwa at espiritu)?

    2 Corinthians 3:17 "NOW the Lord (si Jesus ang nagiisang Panginoon - 2 Corinto 8:6b) is that Spirit..."

    Paanong si Jesus ang KATOTOHANAN at BUHAY? Pakisagot. Salamat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post
    Ako ba ang tinutukoy mo? Totnak, hindi ako isang religious leader dahil hindi ako nagpapatawag sa mga titulo ng Dios gaya ng Ama, Pastor, Reverendo, Pastol, Apostol, atbp., na ipinagbabawal ng Dios.

    Si Jesus nang nasa lupa ay dalawang papel ang ginampanan: Ang papel ng Ama, at ang papel na Anak ng Dios. Sa papel ng Ama, isinakatuparan Niya ang Tipan, sa pamamagitan ng kamatayan.

    Genesis 17:7 "At aking papagtitibayin ang aking tipan sa iyo at sa iyong binhi pagkamatay mo sa buong kalahian nila, na tipang walang hanggan, na ako'y magiging iyong Dios, at ng iyong binhi, pagkamatay mo."

    Hebreo 9:16 "Sapagka't kung saan mayroong tipan doo'y kinakailangan ang kamatayan ng gumawa niyaon."

    Sa papel na Anak ng Dios, ipinakita Niya ang DAAN ng kaligtasan, bilang modelo, sa pagbibigay ng halimbawa:

    1 Pedro 2:21 "Sapagka't sa ganitong bagay kayo'y tinawag: sapagka't si Cristo man ay nagbata dahil sa inyo, na kayo'y iniwanan ng halimbawa, upang kayo'y mangagsisunod sa mga hakbang (O DAAN) niya:"

    Si Jesus ba ang mismong DAAN paparoon sa Ama? Hindi, dahil magiging dalawa sila at sasalungat ito sa sinasabi ng Biblia na Siya ang tunay na Dios o Ama (1 John 5:20, KJV). Si Jesus ang DAAN dahil sa mga DAAN ng kaligtasan na Kaniyang itinuro, at hindi Siya mismo ang DAAN.

    Hindi ba si Jesus ang siyang Dios na Espiritu (kaluluwa at espiritu)?

    2 Corinthians 3:17 "NOW the Lord (si Jesus ang nagiisang Panginoon - 2 Corinto 8:6b) is that Spirit..."

    Paanong si Jesus ang KATOTOHANAN at BUHAY? Pakisagot. Salamat.
    since you are not a religious leader, then you should have known that I'm not referring to you, right?

    nevertheless, your oneness advocacy is pure cr@p.....

    Jesus is the truth and the life because Jesus is God incarnate.....that's quite easy.....

    now, answer my question, isn't it insane to call on someone at your deathbed if you know that you are also that someone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totnak View Post
    that's because God is not covered by the finite boundaries of time-space continuum

    ^oo nga, parang walang katapusan sa outer space, hirap tuloy matutunton kung san talaga nakatira si God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totnak View Post
    since you are not a religious leader, then you should have known that I'm not referring to you, right?

    nevertheless, your oneness advocacy is pure cr@p.....
    Relaks ka lang. Walang initan ng ulo at mga pasaring.

    Walang oneness na salita sa Biblia kaya hindi mo dapat ginagamit ang salitang iyan patungkol sa Dios. Ako ay nabibilang sa Sangbahayan ng Dios, kaya hindi ako Oneness.

    James 2:11 "For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law."

    Ang mga Pentecostal Oneness ay hindi espirituwal na nangangalunya dahil ang kanilang Dios at espirituwal na asawa ay si Jesucristo. Pero dahil sila ay espirituwal na pumapatay, mga suwail pa rin sila sa mga kautusan. Sila ay espirituwal na pumapatay dahil sa pagtuturo ng Biblia sa LITERAL na paraan.

    2Corinthians 3:6 " Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

    Jesus is the truth and the life because Jesus is God incarnate.....that's quite easy.....
    Kung Dios si Jesus, at Dios ang Ama, dalawa ba ang Dios? Paano yan dahil ang sabi ng Biblia ang tunay na Dios ay si Jesucristo?

    now, answer my question, isn't it insane to call on someone at your deathbed if you know that you are also that someone?
    Pakilinaw ang ibig mong sabihin. At kung maaari, salita lang ng Dios ang pag-usapan natin nang walang kahalong pisikal na usapan at mga patutsada. Pwede ba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post
    Relaks ka lang. Walang initan ng ulo at mga pasaring.

    Walang oneness na salita sa Biblia kaya hindi mo dapat ginagamit ang salitang iyan patungkol sa Dios. Ako ay nabibilang sa Sangbahayan ng Dios, kaya hindi ako Oneness.

    James 2:11 "For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law."

    Ang mga Pentecostal Oneness ay hindi espirituwal na nangangalunya dahil ang kanilang Dios at espirituwal na asawa ay si Jesucristo. Pero dahil sila ay espirituwal na pumapatay, mga suwail pa rin sila sa mga kautusan. Sila ay espirituwal na pumapatay dahil sa pagtuturo ng Biblia sa LITERAL na paraan.

    2Corinthians 3:6 " Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
    huh? come again? am not able to fully comprehend the points you are trying to make in your posts above.....

    Kung Dios si Jesus, at Dios ang Ama, dalawa ba ang Dios? Paano yan dahil ang sabi ng Biblia ang tunay na Dios ay si Jesucristo?
    not necessarily.....think of it this way....

    Noynoy is an Aquino. So was Ninoy. Does it mean there are two Aquino patriarchs? not necessarily, right? because both of them are part of the same Aquino line.....

    same goes with God.....God have three distinct persons, The Father, The Son and The Spirit...all Three share the same Divinity but are distinct from each other.....

    Pakilinaw ang ibig mong sabihin. At kung maaari, salita lang ng Dios ang pag-usapan natin nang walang kahalong pisikal na usapan at mga patutsada. Pwede ba?
    when Jesus said "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. And saying this, he gave up the ghost." as mentioned in Luke 23:46, was Jesus talking to Himself?

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