Rookies / Recruitment Talk for Season 75

[roundtablepizza]

If ADMU was really about developing their own talent and not recruiting "PBA caliber players", then how would they explain getting LA Tenorio, Arthur Dela Cruz Jr, Nico Salva, from San Beda, Ryan Buenafe from San Sebastian, the ineligible but "sacred cow", UAAP favored Slaughter from UV(which ironically has already played 3 seasons in CESAFI)? And the list goes on and on.

As admitted by some people here, Mr. Pangilinan is addicted to winning. Kung hindi kaya ng eaglets nila, huhugot yan sa ibang school. Yan pala depenisyon ng development. LOL

[ag]

Lol. No one is taking away your championships. But in terms of the development of players, i still think ateneo is still far from becoming the best team doing so.

However i disagree with slaughter and salva alone becoming a star in the pba. Ravena has a chance too, however, as everyone has stated, he needs to learn how to play pg.

You're right. In the past 4 years, NO ONE could take away our championships. Ateneo develops our players fine, just look at Rabeh and Monfort. But some players are just much more talented in the first place. Players like Arwind, James Yap and even Bobby Parks will be successful in the PBA regardless of their schools. They're just way too talented. True player development should be judged by the improvement of bench guys to stars.

[ag]

If ADMU was really about developing their own talent and not recruiting "PBA caliber players", then how would they explain getting LA Tenorio, Arthur Dela Cruz Jr, Nico Salva, from San Beda, Ryan Buenafe from San Sebastian, the ineligible but "sacred cow", UAAP favored Slaughter from UV(which ironically has already played 3 seasons in CESAFI)? And the list goes on and on.

As admitted by some people here, Mr. Pangilinan is addicted to winning. Kung hindi kaya ng eaglets nila, huhugot yan sa ibang school. Yan pala depenisyon ng development. LOL

Buti nga hugot namin sa ibang schools lang e. Iba diyan, sa Africa pa.

[roundtablepizza]

To be fair with DLSU, especially in the Franz Pumaren era, they have developed a lot of good guards in spite of getting them from other schools. A prime example is JV Casio. He wasn't that good playing with DLSU at first but in the latter part of his career in the UAAP, he has blossomed to be the one to watch out for. And now after leading Gilas to many international tournaments, he's was named the #1 pick in the PBA draft.

Speaking of Gilas, in Wuhan there was a familiar DLSU player in the Bahraini national team named Bader Malabes. I think DLSU deserves some credit for developing this player. He was the go to guy of the team scoring in double figures if I'm not mistaken.

[roundtablepizza]

Buti nga hugot namin sa ibang schools lang e. Iba diyan, sa Africa pa.

Mga foreigner ba? Ahh tulad nina Kirk Long at Zion Laterre? Na nung minsan ipinasok ng sabay ng ADMU sa court na BAWAL sa rules?

[KID=1412]

Like I said, I admit Villanueva was good. But he was only good while in Red Bull. If you look at it closely, actually, in Red Bull, there was no other option on that roster, except for Villanueva.

To be fair with Lordy, back in that season (RB x PF rivalry year) Enrico-Lordy is as lethal as Kerby-James combo.

[ag]

Mga foreigner ba? Ahh tulad nina Kirk Long at Zion Laterre? Na nung minsan ipinasok ng sabay ng ADMU sa court na BAWAL sa rules?

You're right, that's the same as recruiting a 6'6 African center who has ZERO connection with the Philippines except play basketball.

[strandedstranger]

Kirk Long has been living in the Philippines for almost a decade already. Zion Laterre is now working for a multi-corp. Real student-athletes.

Hugot? I don't think so. I really don't get the beef by RTP against Ateneo but he can always forgive La Salle discounting the improvements of Rabeh (who snatched the ROTY), Nonoy Baclao, Monfort and a lot of other players who became very good players after years of warming the bench. That's real development.

[ag]

Kirk Long has been living in the Philippines for almost a decade already. Zion Laterre is now working for a multi-corp. Real student-athletes.

Hugot? I don't think so. I really don't get the beef by RTP against Ateneo but he can always forgive La Salle discounting the improvements of Rabeh (who snatched the ROTY), Nonoy Baclao, Monfort and a lot of other players who became very good players after years of warming the bench. That's real development.

Haters will always hate.

[roundtablepizza]

ZERO connection? Abdul is studying at UST. He can't be eligible if he doesn't study in one of the member schools of the UAAP. He complied with the UAAP rules that wasn't put into a vote.

Besides, there are no rules pertaining to foreigners that should have stayed for ten years or more to be eligible to study and play in one of the UAAP member schools.

I don't have any beef with ADMU. I was merely refuting that ADMU has the best development program in the UAAP. Let's not be a hypocrite, ADMU gets a lot of their core players from other schools. If it were really a genuine and best sports program in the UAAP, they should just look to recruit from their own turf, and produce quality players. Sadly they don't.

Forgiving of DLSU? I'm just being fair to them. Hindi naman lahat ng players nila mama na maglaro pag unang pasok pa lang ng UAAP.

[strandedstranger]

Oh home-grown topic all-over again?

• Ateneo de Manila University Blue Eagles - 8/16
  
  1. Tiongson
  2. Monfort
  3. Gonzaga
  4. Austria
  5. Ravena
  6. Pessumal
  7. Golla
  8. Erram
• Far Eastern University Tamaraws - 6/16
  
  1. Romeo
  2. Fabian
  3. Tolomia
  4. Escoto
  5. Cawaling
  6. Knuttel
• De La Salle University Green Archers - 5/16
  
  1. Van Opstal
  2. Webb
  3. Reyes
  4. Atkins
  5. Dela Paz
• University of the East Red Warriors - 4/16
  
  1. Zamar
  2. Santos
  3. Duran
  4. De Leon
• University of Sto. Tomas Growling Tigers - 4/16
  
  1. Aytona
  2. Ferrer
  3. Javier
  4. Sarcia
• Adamson University Soaring Falcons - 1/16
  
  1. Olalia
• National University Bulldogs - 1/16
  
  1. Terso
• University of the Philippines - 1/16
  
  1. Maniego

Now who's got more home-grown talents eh?

8/16 that's half our team. Again please get your facts straight. No other schools basketball player pipeline are as established as Ateneo's. Take it from the mentor himself: "Ateneo has the best basketball program in the Philippines. (Black 2011)"

Give me another school in the UAAP who can top that list and still end up as 4PEAT Champions?

[strandedstranger]

Compare Long's and Abdul's connection to the Philippines. Longs family has been in the Philippines for many years already. They are missionaries here.

How about Abdul? I have nothing against import but please don't act as if your holier than the rest of us.

[roundtablepizza]

That's nice but making half of your team from your home turf doesn't prove that you have the best sports program in the UAAP.

Oh by the way, just to be accurate, Erram came from Cagayan de Oro City, played for Pilgrim Christan College High School. and Xavier University. Minus one.

Frank Golla on the other hand, came from a high school in Marikina(according to one pexer) before transferring to Ateneo. Minus two.

So technically you only have 6.

There's one detail that doesn't appear on your list. I'll take the example of UST. I'm not privy who among UST's current lineup came from USTHS, but I'm certain we should have at least 6. Two players were literally taken from us namely Labing-isa and Neypes of NU.

So that would make ours 6.

[roundtablepizza]

Again there's no rule for someone to be connected to the Philippines to be eligible. None. Whether you live here 1 year or 10 years it's irrelevant.

Besides, UST and/or UST's supporters never claimed nor bragged that they have the best development program in UAAP basketball. ADMU supporters such as you did. That's the problem.

[theeng69]

Just so you know, you need to get your facts straight as well. You missed out the best PBA Big man in the past decade, and that is Danny Ildefonso. He played for NU. Lordy Tugade also played for NU.

Rich Alvarez derailed by injury? He got injured with Red Bull. And IIRC, he was already playing in his third year then. Even during his rookie year, he was already playing behind the shadow of players who were picked after him. He didnt even win ROY and in fact, the player picked right after him eventually won ROY and was even crowned MVP.

Enrico a star of Red Bull? I must admit that he was good, but was a one hit wonder. When he was transferred to Purefoods, he was supposedly to become their answer for the hole inside, but he did not even live up to any of the expectation.

Intal has struggled to find his role in the PBA, and has only been recently, talk about developing.

Also, lets not forget Mike Cortez and Jonas Villanueva. They were already making a name for themselves and was even having a better career than any other Ateneans (in the last 10 years), not named Al-Hussaini or Tenorio. In fact, Tenorio's status right now was once held by Cortez.

Again, before you tell me to get my facts straight, I suggest you do as well.

Di ka na nga marunong maghanap ng facts, di ka pa marunong magbasa. You started by mentioning that Ateneo has no stars in the PBA in the last 10 years. So, I also made a list of stars of other UAAP schools in the last 10 years. Ildefonso and Tugade entered the PBA more than 10 years ago pa.

Rich Alvarez was also ROY. Na-derail nga lang ng injuries. And if you followed Mike Cortez's career, you will certainly know that he was never a star or a great player in the PBA. That's why Alaska dealt him to San Miguel for Tenorio. He was merely a starter caliber of a player. Jonas Villanueva likewise isn't a star right now. I merely mentioned stars and great players from the other UAAP teams aside from Ateneo.

If you look at my list again, only La Salle, other than Ateneo, was able to produce two star quality players in the PBA namely Joseph Yeo and Mac Cardona. Yeo was a big game player back in Sta. Lucia (but regressed lately) and Cardona has proven himself to be a good scorer. Kung ibang teams kaya? UE only has Yap, UST has Baguio, FEU has Santos and the rest of the schools have none. Sure, other schools have fairly good players like FEU's Villanueva, Miranda, and Isip, UE's Canaleta, UST's Jervy Cruz. But all of those are merely role player quality. Most, if not all, of those players were also stars in their UAAP career. So you cannot single out Ateneo as the only UAAP school which produces stars in college but only role players in the PBA because, if you care to look at the other schools as well, ganoon din sila.

It's also a fact that Philippine basketball, in the last five years, suffered a "talent crisis". Hence, if you look at it, only a few young Filipino professional players are stand outs in their respective teams right now.

[strandedstranger]

Wow. Self-serving bias. You add and subtract numbers to suit yourself. Nah.

If your schools has good development then why would Labing-isa and Neypes be taken from UST?

And for the last three years who won a double-threepeat in the UAAP Srs. and Jrs.? Oh yes just as I thought.

[theeng69]

And if ADMU doesn't have the best development program in the Philippines right now, who does?

UST? Teng and Fortuna have had the same type of game since the day they entered the UAAp.

DLSU? They can't even get into the final four. What more in developing players?

FEU? Garcia was already awesome the moment he entered the league. Most of Ramos' skills were learned in his Gilas stint. Cawaling regressed year after year since winning the ROY.

UE? Paul Lee's jump was amazing. However, they are in rebuilding mode right now. They certainly aren't the best in developing if they are in rebuilding mode.

NU? They haven't produced PBA caliber players in the last five years.

Adamson? Most of their players needed four or five years just to make a significant impact

Whereas Ateneo produced busts like Rabeh, Arao, and Kramer to scary post men in the UAAP. Chris Tiu wasn't even a sought after player right out of high school but Ateneo produced him to be a captain in the national team. Noy Baclao wasn't even on the radars of other schools. What happened? He was drafted first overall.

At natawa naman ako sa sinabi nung isa na predictable si Salva. How can he score 13 points per game and average 19 in the finals kung predictable siya? Mas predictable pa si Aldrech Ramos who only has that shooting touch. Salva is the most offensively versatile forward in the league right now. He has a bevvy of post up moves and he has a very good jumper. He can also dribble the ball, drive all the way to the inside, and finish strongly. Predictable? Certainly not.

[theeng69]

That's nice but making half of your team from your home turf doesn't prove that you have the best sports program in the UAAP.

Oh by the way, just to be accurate, Erram came from Cagayan de Oro City, played for Pilgrim Christan College High School. and Xavier University. Minus one.

Frank Golla on the other hand, came from a high school in Marikina(according to one pexer) before transferring to Ateneo. Minus two.

So technically you only have 6.

There's one detail that doesn't appear on your list. I'll take the example of UST. I'm not privy who among UST's current lineup came from USTHS, but I'm certain we should have at least 6. Two players were literally taken from us namely Labing-isa and Neypes of NU.

So that would make ours 6.

Xavier University is still an Ateneo school. Hence, it can still be said that Erram came from an Ateneo school. Golla spent most of his high school years in Ateneo

[roundtablepizza]

Being accurate is not self-serving. It's just is, being accurate. And one should always be accurate with things especially if one has to claim and brag about something. Otherwise you'll get burned.

Good thing you asked why Labing-isa and Neypes left UST. It was because of financial consideration on the part of the players. This was the time when there were rumors that NU was cranking up in pirating players for their own roster. Even two of our women's volleyball players were pirated by NU. In their situation, they were promised a lot of things. From tuition down to the housing and debt of the player's parents were going to be shouldered by NU. Yun ang balita before.

And this should not surprise you. You're from Ateneo right? You should know why BJ Manalo didn't join Ateneo in the senior division and instead played for DLSU.

[roundtablepizza]

Xavier University is still an Ateneo school. Hence, it can still be said that Erram came from an Ateneo school. Golla spent most of his high school years in Ateneo

That might be right but technically, it is still a different school. Moreover he played first in CDO as a high school player. So technically he wasn't homegrown.