Rookies / Recruitment Talk for Season 75

[azgauth]

It's nice to see that UST is now being considered as a choice of school for rookies w/ his kind of caliber. (even if its just for a second option) Back in my days, all I remember was UST wasn't even scouting much for recruits but rather just having some homegrown talents who want to pursue their game in the srs division and having tryouts for those who want to join the team. That system almost made Jervy transfer to JRU after spending some time in team B.

[bagtitako]

When NB said that he wanted the ADMU program to be the best college basketball program in the country there was no "yabang" in the statement but rather just stating the obvious.

Now if your a talented basketball player with good upside or even a raw one but with significant potential would you not want to be part of the ADMU program? I guess NB has proven that if you got game and can follow and work within his system then there is no palakasan or padrino system needed for you to crack Team A but you have to earn it.

The problem is not everyone can be part of Team A and now that depends on how an incoming player would plot not only his basketball future but education as well. The likes of Monfort, Gonzaga, Escueta last year showed that it can be worth the wait and you get not only your basketball skills honed but a decent education as well and more importantly part of the championship team.

[gval28]

So ang tanong,anong pinagsasasabe ng ISNO BADUWA na yan? Di accurate kasi nagiispeculate parin kayo or tayo ng lalanding-an ni jeron. Ano ba talaga? San ba talaga sya? Kala ko LaSalle na?

[roundtablepizza]

Sabi ni coach Pido, nagtagal sa team B si Jervy dahil sa academics. At the same time dahil din doon kaya sumobra galing niya hehehe.

And according also to one news article, he was supposed to be elevated to active roster by then legendary coach Aric del Rosario, but due to personal and medical reasons(besides the academics) kaya hindi natuloy ang unang pasok nya sa UAAP.

[strandedstranger]

I know Gotladera is not a rookie. Anyone knows the juice about this guy?

[theeng69]

I know Gotladera is not a rookie. Anyone knows the juice about this guy?

He's on the DLSU season 74 roster. He just doesn't seem like a member of the Green Archers because he's very seldom used. He was another promising big man out of high school who chose to go to a school which cannot develop big man.

[Wez]

Gotladera might do an "Elorde" move.

[azgauth]

or a vigil? lol

[strandedstranger]

@Wez. I guess we heard the same. The greenies hyped up AVO that they forgot about Gotladera.

[death_row]

When NB said that he wanted the ADMU program to be the best college basketball program in the country there was no "yabang" in the statement but rather just stating the obvious.

Now if your a talented basketball player with good upside or even a raw one but with significant potential would you not want to be part of the ADMU program? I guess NB has proven that if you got game and can follow and work within his system then there is no palakasan or padrino system needed for you to crack Team A but you have to earn it.

The problem is not everyone can be part of Team A and now that depends on how an incoming player would plot not only his basketball future but education as well. The likes of Monfort, Gonzaga, Escueta last year showed that it can be worth the wait and you get not only your basketball skills honed but a decent education as well and more importantly part of the championship team.

Education??? Monfort has been studying in AdMU for 7 years already. EDUCATION? REALLY?

Also, Ateneo players sure have high basketball IQ, but do they have what it takes to be a star in the PBA? Their IQ is highlighted because of structured system AdMU has. But outside of that structured system, it remains to be seen whether these players can take their game to the next level.

Notable Ateneo starts in the past 10 years are arguably, Intal, Fonacier, Enrico and Tenorio. Except for Tenorio who is playing under a structured system like the triangle, none of the other AdMU stars have proven that they can take their game to the next level, and in fact be in the same effect in the PBA as they were in the UAAP.

Rich Alvarez is a prime example of this. UAAP MVP but a journey man in the PBA.
As far as players coached by NB is concerned, aside from Rabeh, who else has made a significant impression in the PBA? So to say that Ateneo has the best basketball program is only good to a certain extent. What Ateneo only has is the support of their alumni in recruiting players and sending them abroad to develop. But, IMO, teams like FEU have way underrated basketball programs. They have constantly built final 4 teams throughout the years and have only relied on local training in doing so.

[strandedstranger]

I'm sure you know that Banal and Norman's system are different systems altogether. Norman had to build from scratch and as an experienced mentor and a former coach of a PBA team who managed to win grandslam under Black's tutelage, I'm sure players will be battle-ready in the PBA. They now know how to be role-players for their future PBA teams.

[theeng69]

Education??? Monfort has been studying in AdMU for 7 years already. EDUCATION? REALLY?

Also, Ateneo players sure have high basketball IQ, but do they have what it takes to be a star in the PBA? Their IQ is highlighted because of structured system AdMU has. But outside of that structured system, it remains to be seen whether these players can take their game to the next level.

Notable Ateneo starts in the past 10 years are arguably, Intal, Fonacier, Enrico and Tenorio. Except for Tenorio who is playing under a structured system like the triangle, none of the other AdMU stars have proven that they can take their game to the next level, and in fact be in the same effect in the PBA as they were in the UAAP.

Rich Alvarez is a prime example of this. UAAP MVP but a journey man in the PBA.
As far as players coached by NB is concerned, aside from Rabeh, who else has made a significant impression in the PBA? So to say that Ateneo has the best basketball program is only good to a certain extent. What Ateneo only has is the support of their alumni in recruiting players and sending them abroad to develop. But, IMO, teams like FEU have way underrated basketball programs. They have constantly built final 4 teams throughout the years and have only relied on local training in doing so.

What's the connection between maximizing playing years and education? Monfort spent that much years in Ateneo because he was cut from team A. He spent a lot of time trying to prove to Norman Black that he is Team A material. Why would you blame Ateneo education for Monfort's long years in Ateneo? He wanted to spend more time in Ateneo becaue he wanted his skills to be harnessed better. If he wanted to leave in four or five years, he could have done so if he wanted to.

Ateneo is a team based basketball program. Ateneo players understand the concept of teamwork. PBA often overlook that fact because they will always look at the amateur stats and the skills of the players. IQ is often overlooked.

Enrico was a star himself in Red Bull. Fonacier and Intal are doing fairly well in their respective teams because they understand teamwork. Rich Alvarez was a future star himself but injuries derailed his career. If you look at it, not much of other UAAP teams' stars have become stars or great players themselves in the PBA in the last 10 years. Let me try to enumerate the ones I know:

Adamson-none
DLSU-Mac Cardona, Joseph Yeo
FEU-Arwind Santos
UP-none
UST-Cyrus Baguio
UE-James Yap
NU-none

If you look at it, only a few get to be stars in the PBA. The teams I mentioned above may have a lot of players in the pro ranks but only those who I mentioned have transitioned into stars or great players.

Today's PBA is obsessed with Fil-Am players. Pure Filipino players usually end up as role players in the PBA. Get your facts straight first.

[death_row]

What's the connection between maximizing playing years and education? Monfort spent that much years in Ateneo because he was cut from team A. He spent a lot of time trying to prove to Norman Black that he is Team A material. Why would you blame Ateneo education for Monfort's long years in Ateneo? He wanted to spend more time in Ateneo becaue he wanted his skills to be harnessed better. If he wanted to leave in four or five years, he could have done so if he wanted to.

Ateneo is a team based basketball program. Ateneo players understand the concept of teamwork. PBA often overlook that fact because they will always look at the amateur stats and the skills of the players. IQ is often overlooked.

Enrico was a star himself in Red Bull. Fonacier and Intal are doing fairly well in their respective teams because they understand teamwork. Rich Alvarez was a future star himself but injuries derailed his career. If you look at it, not much of other UAAP teams' stars have become stars or great players themselves in the PBA in the last 10 years. Let me try to enumerate the ones I know:

Adamson-none
DLSU-Mac Cardona, Joseph Yeo
FEU-Arwind Santos
UP-none
UST-Cyrus Baguio
UE-James Yap
NU-none

If you look at it, only a few get to be stars in the PBA. The teams I mentioned above may have a lot of players in the pro ranks but only those who I mentioned have transitioned into stars or great players.

Today's PBA is obsessed with Fil-Am players. Pure Filipino players usually end up as role players in the PBA. Get your facts straight first.

Just so you know, you need to get your facts straight as well. You missed out the best PBA Big man in the past decade, and that is Danny Ildefonso. He played for NU. Lordy Tugade also played for NU.

Rich Alvarez derailed by injury? He got injured with Red Bull. And IIRC, he was already playing in his third year then. Even during his rookie year, he was already playing behind the shadow of players who were picked after him. He didnt even win ROY and in fact, the player picked right after him eventually won ROY and was even crowned MVP.

Enrico a star of Red Bull? I must admit that he was good, but was a one hit wonder. When he was transferred to Purefoods, he was supposedly to become their answer for the hole inside, but he did not even live up to any of the expectation.

Intal has struggled to find his role in the PBA, and has only been recently, talk about developing.

Also, lets not forget Mike Cortez and Jonas Villanueva. They were already making a name for themselves and was even having a better career than any other Ateneans (in the last 10 years), not named Al-Hussaini or Tenorio. In fact, Tenorio's status right now was once held by Cortez.

Again, before you tell me to get my facts straight, I suggest you do as well.

[roundtablepizza]

Good thing someone noticed that too about ADMU.

If we use the current season as basis, ADMU doesn't have the most talented players in the UAAP. That distinction IMHO belongs to Adamson.

However I will concede that among all the 8 teams in the UAAP, ADMU is the most disciplined(not IQ) team, meaning they execute their plays pretty well compared to the other teams, enabling average and even below average players look good while playing. They are the best flopping team too.

I expect the only player in ADMU's current roster to definitely excel in the PBA will be Slaughter. Nico Salva will be a far second to make it to the pros. If Salva takes away his predictability(which teams in the UAAP didn't notice), he will definitely outshine an over hyped Rabeh.

[ag]

That's fine, we choose championships anyways, not MVP awards. System over individual talents anytime.

[death_row]

Lol. No one is taking away your championships. But in terms of the development of players, i still think ateneo is still far from becoming the best team doing so.

However i disagree with slaughter and salva alone becoming a star in the pba. Ravena has a chance too, however, as everyone has stated, he needs to learn how to play pg.

[2 flip the bird]

Just so you know, you need to get your facts straight as well. You missed out the best PBA Big man in the past decade, and that is Danny Ildefonso. He played for NU. Lordy Tugade also played for NU.

Rich Alvarez derailed by injury? He got injured with Red Bull. And IIRC, he was already playing in his third year then. Even during his rookie year, he was already playing behind the shadow of players who were picked after him. He didnt even win ROY and in fact, the player picked right after him eventually won ROY and was even crowned MVP.

Enrico a star of Red Bull? I must admit that he was good, but was a one hit wonder. When he was transferred to Purefoods, he was supposedly to become their answer for the hole inside, but he did not even live up to any of the expectation.

Intal has struggled to find his role in the PBA, and has only been recently, talk about developing.

Also, lets not forget Mike Cortez and Jonas Villanueva. They were already making a name for themselves and was even having a better career than any other Ateneans (in the last 10 years), not named Al-Hussaini or Tenorio. In fact, Tenorio's status right now was once held by Cortez.

Again, before you tell me to get my facts straight, I suggest you do as well.

dude, wrong info mo. alvarez moved to redbull during his second year. 1 conference lang siya sa alaska. he also won ROY and was part of the all-defensive team during his rookie year. si villanueva naman was once awarded the BPC and was also part of the mythical 5 team during his stay sa redbull.

[death_row]

Like I said, I admit Villanueva was good. But he was only good while in Red Bull. If you look at it closely, actually, in Red Bull, there was no other option on that roster, except for Villanueva. Thus, this probably helped him earn BPC award. But on a better team, like SMB or Petron, natameme eh.

Also, about Rich Alvarez, I said IF I Remember correctly. Thats my mistake, but even if Rich Alvarez didn't get injured, is he really going to be a future star? Come to think of it, no. All he has is his athleticism and defense.

[strandedstranger]

Ateneo is far from developing players?

Dude, La Salle during their heyday gets PBA-caliber players to beef up their line-up. That's not development.

Kwentuhan nga daw back then, "Naku nakakuha na naman na pang-PBA na player ang La Salle."

Ateneo may not get the best players but we can turn them into big games.

Rabeh Al-Hussaini was a no-name and no blue-chip during his time but he bagged ROTY in a Champion team.

Nonoy Baclao was drafted first.

Chris Tiu is the captain of Gilas.

Those three are not blue-chips when they started but Coach Norman weaves his black magic just fine. Despite playing a team-game, we can make big names out of small ones.

LOL @ Salva being predictable but no one notices anyway. I just LOLed.

[roundtablepizza]

Salva must significantly improve his game to make it to the pros. His bread and butter isn't impressive yet for a PF or even a SF. Again, Salva is a very predictable player like Rabeh, but has way better outside shooting than the latter.

It's too early to tell if Ravena can be a great player but the potential is there. I really don't buy in to the kind of over hype the media has been saying about him. In fact, calling him a phenom right now is an insult to the other way better and greater players who played in the UAAP.