^the 30s was the DUST BOWL and people going into the streets to line up for soup and bread. it's not that bad still. We can still afford our creature comforts.
The DLSU Lady Spikers took a walk in the park as they dominated UST from start to finish with 25-8, 27-25, 25-13read more
June Mar Fajardo saved the day with double-doubles as he helped Petron escape the tough Alaska squad 86-85.read more
Jessy Mendiola's time is here. Patiently waiting for her turn in the spotlight, she is proof that good things come to those who wait.read more
The absence of Maruja Banaticla from the lineup of the UST Golden Tigresses has made ripples in the volleyball world.read more
While we don't espouse violence, one can't help get more adrenaline watching the game when you see players go at each other at all costs.read more
^the 30s was the DUST BOWL and people going into the streets to line up for soup and bread. it's not that bad still. We can still afford our creature comforts.
Anti-Wall St. rallies continue in US
oct. 4, 2011
Hundreds of protesters have once again taken to the streets of New York to protest prevailing corporate greed and social inequalities in the United States, Press TV reports.
With the 'Occupy Wall Street' protests entering their third week, many demonstrators were dressed as Zombies on Tuesday to symbolize what they have described as the lifeless and cruel nature of corporate America.
Anti-Wall Street demonstrators appeared optimistic and unaffected by the events of Saturday when New York City police arrested more than 1000 protesters as they tried to cross the Brooklyn Bridge.
Hundreds of protesters have poured onto the streets in New York and other major US cities to protest poverty, unemployment, corporatism, social inequality, and other shortcomings that have been plaguing the country for more than three years amid a nationwide economic crisis.
The rallies originally started over two weeks ago under the banner 'Occupy Wall Street,' when activists and demonstrators announced their determination to seize the major US financial district in protest to the country's dire economic conditions, which they said were caused by corporate greed.
Similarly, many demonstrators have taken to the streets in Chicago and Los Angeles, bearing antiwar placards and expressing outrage over the country's high unemployment rate, which stood at 9.1 percent in August.
Some political analysts have voiced concerns that mainstream media refrain from covering the protests.
"The average American who derives his principally from television would have no idea that this protest movement is taking place," James Fetzer, founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, noted.
Some of the protesters say the idea to occupy the most vital financial centers of the US was inspired by popular uprisings in the past months in Middle Eastern and North African countries, widely referred to as the “Islamic Awakening.”
US protesters slam media silence
Anti-corporatism protesters in the US slam mainstream media for shunning their campaign after some 800 people were arrested on New York's Brooklyn Bridge over the weekend.
“The media has been putting a lot of pressure on us, especially the mainstream media,” said Kobi Skolnick, a student and peace activist, in an interview with Press TV on Monday.
“Enough is enough, we want to have a voice,” he added.
A police spokesperson on Saturday said the New York Police Department made the arrests after protesters failed to obey “multiple warnings” to remain on the pedestrian walkway.
Protesters at the scene, however, said the police used extensive violence for no apparent reason.
“They showed up in their riot gear, they showed up swinging batons for no reason, and they just started hand-picking people in the front lines: anybody who was in front who was black or brown was automatically thrown to the floor. If your face was covered with a bandana, or even if you held up a peace sign they were throwing you on the floor,” said David Cancino, one of the protesters on the bridge.
Protesters have now become more committed to continue their struggle against corporate greed as they believe the media has tried to pressure them into quitting their campaign.
The anti-Wall Street movement, which began on September 17, has now spread to several major cities across the US.
Signs of support have also appeared outside of the country with an Occupy Toronto rally expected on October 15.
Similar rallies have also been planned in Mexico and dozens of European countries according to the website of The Occupy Together , a recently created umbrella group for the movement.
Occupy Wall Street – is mass civil disobedience the only way?
Published: 04 October, 2011, 00:48
source: RT NEWS
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Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street demonstrators were arrested over the weekend in New York.
But with the mainstream media ignoring or ridiculing the protesters, and politicians turning a blind eye, what other options do they have to get attention to their outrage?
Taking the Big Apple by storm, getting arrested by the hundreds, getting netted and pepper-sprayed in the face, spending night and day on the far from welcoming streets of New York’s Financial District. That’s the price the demonstrators have been paying to get their outrage across to those holding reins of financial and political power. Common Americans that make up most of the country, who have no access to corporate power and the media don’t have many options to get their voices heard. Those who take steps to fight for change in the US, are getting ignored and marginalizing.
Hero Vincent – artist and activist – has been arrested twice.
“I didn’t expected to be arrested, I didn’t expect to be beat by police, I didn’t expect to get locked up and incarcerated for hours and hours and hours, but I am willing to do that for a good cause and for this movement,” he said.
Ignored for the first two weeks of Occupying Wall Street, the peaceful movement started taking tougher measures – by getting bigger and louder.
“The only way to get the media to notice is to be disobedient. You have to stir **** up to get people to notice,” said New York chef Jacob Bensluy.
The mass arrests have built up popular support for the movement.
“I thank them for putting us through some type of abuse, because it’s helping our movement – it’s bringing more and more people out here,” said Hero Vincent.
Some have sacrificed more than hours in jail to fight against Wall Street.
“Many people have quit their jobs and have come here. That’s already happened,” said protest coordinator Mike Esperson.
The corporate media – week 3 into the camp-outs – either does not pay much attention or ridicules both the form and the substance of the gathering.
“They’re more concerned with brainwashing people, and American Idol, and sports drama. And pretty much anything to serve as a distraction other than the important issues. Right now, this is something important,” said protester John Reig.
Unnoticed by the corporate and political elite, it’s tougher than ever for those against the system to get attention, with even some police officers ready to admit this.
“Protest is the way. It’s the only available way to do it, I imagine,” said a police officer named Kevin.
The Occupy Wall Street movement promises to grow in the months to come, and history has shown, that the voice of the people can’t be neglected forever.
"This has the potential to be the embryo of a very broad fight back movement," rapper and activist Marcel Cartier told RT on Monday. Two days earlier, he was among the 700 arrested on the Brooklyn Bridge.
"My question to the NYPD: did you really think that it was a tactically intelligent decision to arrest 700 people?" asked Cartier. "I think it actually had the opposite effect."
Cartier added that after being apprehended, he bonded with his brethren that were among those arrested. "We turned those jails into centers of organizing," said Cartier. "It was definitely a very energizing experience – it charged me up."
"It made me more committed to the cause and now I really want to see this moment succeed," he added. "It gives me so much energy, so much vision to go further."
Anti-Wall Street movements inspired by Wisconsin protests
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Norman Stockwell, a freelance journalist and operations coordinator for WORT/FM in Madison believes that the anti-Wall Street movements around the U.S. were greatly inspired by events in Wisconsin that took place back in February of this year. And the events in Wisconsin, he believes, were inspired in part by events happening around the world.
“The events here in Wisconsin were in some ways inspired by events happening around the world, in Tahrir Square in Egypt and so on.”
He added that the effects go back and forth. “A number of people from Wisconsin have gone out to new York to join the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations that are taking place. But also I think that people here in Wisconsin are looking at those movements and being further inspired.”
Photos: #OccupyWallStreet on the steps of the Colorado State Capitol
About 200 people brought their voices to the steps of the Colorado State Capitol, starting at noon on Saturday for the Denver version of the Occupy Wall Street ongoing protest that originated -- where else -- on Wall Street in New York. Photos continue below.
The demonstration focused, judging by the call-and-response chants, on the financial sector's influence over domestic economic policy. The signs below tell the rest of the story.
Occupy Wall Street veteran gears up for 'Occupy Sacramento'
Occupy Wall Street Is Taking the Show on the Road
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Occupy Wall Street turns online for basics
source: Al Jazeera
From pizzas to medical supplies, the Occupy Wall Street movement turns to social media for real-world needs.
The Occupy Wall Street movement first gained international attention two weeks ago as an example of online actions manifested on the ground.
Now protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park are turning to social-media tools such as Twitter and Facebook for everything from pizzas to medical supplies where donations are creating a thriving community.
Al Jazeera's Cath Turner reports from Manhattan.
Like a virus, it started first in the middle-east and now the US. Let us brace for something worst.
Occupy Wall Street Protesters Used Alternative Social Networks
posted few hours ago: This weekend's "Occupy Wall Street" protesters went beyond the usual Facebook and Twitter pages to coordinate their efforts. Closer inspection reveals that the organizers consistently opted for lesser-known social-media tools in what may have been a kind of "anti-popular social media" strategy.
Although the group maintains an active Twitter account, when it comes to actual real-time short messaging, a new app called Vibe turns out to be its tool of choice. The app allows you to exchange "Whisper" time-limited messages anonymously with people within 160 feet, a feature that makes it harder to track flash-mob-style gatherings.
Perhaps the most surprising software in the group's toolbox is an old school standby: Internet Relay Chat (IRC), used by the group to exchange more long-form updates. And for video, instead of leaning on the live capabilities of the hugely popular Ustream.tv or Justin.tv websites, the group opted to used Livestream, a popular site in its own right, but by no means the very first tool many would consider.
Given these consistently alternative choices, it then begins to make sense that the group latched on to Reddit for its link sharing. Although the higher traffic site Digg has fallen out of favor with some, choosing the minimalist and passionate community of Reddit users is clearly a "root for the underdog" style choice. Overall, it appears these choices are simply a reflection of the group's rebellious nature. But ultimately even this group of loosely associated protestors could not deny the power and reach of Facebook. A quick visit to the group's site prominently displays the social network's integration that takes you to its page accessible to all 800 million Facebook users.
Weeks after its start the protest has now attracted the presence of celebrities such as actress Susan Sarandon, music mogul Russell Simmons, and television star Roseanne Barr, proving that the group's social media message has now gone viral. How and when this unusual protest will end is unknown, but one thing we can be certain of is that marketers and social media scientists are watching this entire scenario closely, and taking very detailed notes.
Morning Briefing: October 4, 2011
By ThinkProgress on Oct 4, 2011 at 9:00 am
Senate Majority Whip **** Durbin (D-IL) blasted Bank of America’s new debit card fee and urged its customers to take their business elsewhere during a floor speech Monday. Durbin said, “Bank of America customers, vote with your feet. Get the heck out of that bank. Find yourself a bank or credit union that won’t gouge you for $5 a month and still will give you a debit card that you can use every single day.”
The Occupy Wall Street movement has spread across the country to dozens of cities, including D.C., Los Angeles, Chicago, Memphis, Minneapolis, and Boston, and is even going international to places in Europe, Canada, and Japan. When asked about the movement, the White House said, “to the extent that people are frustrated with the economic situation, we understand.”
The White House is threatening to veto two House GOP bills that would delay key EPA air-pollution regulations, saying they are needed to “protect American families from a range of harmful pollutants including mercury and other toxic metals, as well as smog and soot.” “It’s the second veto threat of House legislation to roll back EPA air regulations in as many weeks,” according to the Hill.
The Senate voted 79-19 yesterday to move forward a bill to the floor that would authorize “punitive tariffs on a country with misaligned currencies,” a response to the charge that China is undervaluing its currency. The bill has drawn charges from Chinese government officials that it could set off a trade war.
After presidential candidate and Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) said on Saturday that he would send American troops to Mexico to fight the drug cartels, Mexican officials fired back at Perry, firmly rejecting the idea. Mexican Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan said his country has long opposed having U.S. troops in Mexico and that the idea “is not on the table.”
The White House sent the South Korea, Colombia, and Panama trade agreements to Congress yesterday, saying they would boost U.S. exports by $13 billion annually. President Obama said the trade deals will “support tens of thousands of jobs across the country for workers making products stamped with three proud words: Made in America.”
Fannie Mae knew about foreclosure abuses by law firms it hired as early as 2003 but did almost nothing to address the firms’ practices, according to a report released Tuesday. Only after news reports broke in 2010 did the Federal Housing Finance Agency attempt to end the abuses. The report is the second in two weeks outlining lapses at FHFA, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac.
Foreign aid funding is facing significant cuts from both parties as Congress focuses on reducing the national debt. The House and Senate have both proposed slashing funding for the State Department, threatening its ability to provide humanitarian aid like food and medicine for Africa and disaster relief for Japan and Pakistan.
In the wake of last week’s watershed decision by a federal judge allowing Alabama’s harshest-in-the-nation immigration law go into effect, frightened immigrant families have begun fleeing the state and withdrawing their children from school. The exodus began just hours after the decision, with families leaving homes and pets behind. Almost 2,000 Hispanic students were absent from school on Friday.
And finally: GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain referred to himself as a “black walnut” yesterday, saying his poll numbers show that “Black walnut isn’t a flavor of the week.”
People upset with economy plan to 'Occupy Las Vegas'
Posted: Oct 03, 2011 9:34 AM
Updated: Oct 03, 2011 6:53 PM
Posted By Kristin Bernal, Producer - email
LAS VEGAS (FOX5) - Americans fed up with corporate greed and Congressional inaction are coming together this week.
Hundreds have been put behind bars in New York City as "Occupy Wall Street" picks up steam in its third week.
The movement is now gaining even more momentum as major cities across the country plan a rally set for Thursday at 4 p.m.
Organizers in Las Vegas say a march will start at New York New York Hotel and Casino and will be peaceful.
"We're not going to block traffic, it's going to be a very peaceful march," organizer Jim Walsh said.
Occupy Las Vegas is expecting between 200 and 500 people to participate Thursday.
The group is using social media and its website to gather more support by the minute.
"This is about an action to give everyone that feels unheard a voice, and a lot of us feel unheard," organizer Frankie Tease said.
The event's organized the day to coincide with protests planned for Washington, D.C. that same day.
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A new Lost Decade is leading to revolution
Commentary: Class warfare accelerating, democracy losing grip
By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Memo to the Super Rich, your high-paid lobbyists and your no-compromise political puppets whose sole mission is destroying the presidency: Yes, you are succeeding. You’re also killing the economy.
Thanks to your self-destructive ideology, America is now in the second of back-to-back Lost Decades. A new one on the heels of the 2000-2010 Lost Decade where Wall Street lost more than 20% inflation-adjusted. Get it? You guys launched America’s second Lost Decade of 21st century.
Yes, two consecutive job-killing Lost Decades. The first created by Wall Street’s obsessive greed. The new one triggered by the widening wealth gap that’s feeding endless partisan political wars powered by Super Rich conservatives hell-bent on re-establishing the same free-market, trickle-down Reaganomics policies that have been sabotaging America for the last generation.
Unfortunately, the new one gets worse: Why? The coming Lost Decade is a backdrop for a wave of class warfare destined to trigger a historic revolution in American politics, bigger than the ‘29 Crash and Great Depression.
Initially inspired by the Arab Spring, Occupy Wall Street is a virus spreading rapidly as Occupy Everything, a reform movement that will overshadow the GOP/Tea Party as the voice of the people, leading to an Occupy America.
Investors, listen closely: First, we’ll summarize five major signs of America’s new Lost Decade 2011-2021. Then, we summarize seven diverse examples of rebellions across the world adding fuel to America’s accelerating Occupy Wall Street revolution.
Why is this crucial for investors? Because these class wars are guaranteed to deepen America’s market and economic problems during the coming Lost Decade. So listen closely investors:
1. Decade of debt stagnation till 2021
Barron’s Gene Epstein warns that Obama’s latest is “Too Little, Too Late.” Even if the president “gets everything he asked for in his new proposals, it won’t reduce our growing public debt. And he won’t get it all.”
So America’s debt will remain around 80% of GDP for a decade, levels not seen since the 1940s. That’s right, debt will remain dangerously high at least through 2021. And it won’t matter who is president. Class warfare will accelerate this job-killing debt cycle.
2. Investors lose faith, bailing out
Over at the Wall Street Journal Tom Lauricella warns “Investors lose faith in stocks … in a historic retreat, investors world-wide during the three months through August pulled some $92 billion out of stock funds in the developed markets,” more than reversing the total “put into those funds since stocks bottomed in 2009.”
Worse, there’s a “widening belief that the mess left behind by the housing bubble and financial crisis will be a morass to contend with for years.” Yes, many years.
3. Fed surrenders, cannot fix economy
In a Cleveland speech last week Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke warned that with 45% of the unemployed out more than six months, long-term unemployment is now a “national crisis” the Fed cannot fix. “Unheard of … this has never happened in the post-war period.” They’re “losing the skills they had, they are losing their connections, their attachment to the labor force.” But a job-killing Congress won’t act.
4. Wall Street still doesn’t get it
In a recent Foreign Policy article, William Cohan, a former J. P. Morgan Chase managing director and author of “Money and Power: How Goldman Sachs Came to Rule the World,” warns Wall Street not only learned nothing after the 2008 meltdown, they’re aggressively lobbying to kill all reforms that might “break this dangerous cycle in which bankers and traders get very rich while the rest of us suffer from their mistakes.”
Wall Street is deaf, blind and myopic, wants no limits on “all manner of bets on the market,” even at the “risk of a U.S. recession.” Only a catastrophe will wake Wall Street.
5. Yes, America’s second Lost Decade just began
In a Money interview, “Are We the Next Japan?” Nomura Research economist Richard Koo sees “striking similarities between our current malaise” and Japan’s Lost Decade. Their stimulus did work, but then “the Japanese made a horrendous mistake in 1997.”
The IMF told Japan “you’re running a huge fiscal deficit with an aging population … reduce your deficit.” So Japan “cut spending and raised taxes” and “the whole economy came crashing down.” Sure sounds familiar.
Warning: to Wall Street CEOs, the Super Rich, the top 1% who think they own our government … the party’s over. No matter who gets elected in 2012 and 2016, the new Lost Decade 2011-2021 will make life miserable for the president and Congress, as with Japan earlier.
Worse, this Lost Decade will make life miserable for everybody: corporations, investors, consumers, workers, small businesses and all our families, with the kind of economic suffering experienced in the painfully long Great Depression era
jeez ive been posting at RoT about "occupy" can't believe i skipped this side of the forum..
..oh well this is there facebook group http://www.facebook.com/Gilded.Age..links are there too..and one interesting thing is brewing somewhere in london..http://www.facebook.com/occupylondon..there planning to occupy the london stock exchange on Oct. 15 too..and this too..http://www.facebook.com/pages/Occupy...86072081..they expanded to media censorship too..
..quite a revolution i must say...i can only hope that we too will be doing "Occupy Philippines"...maybe it's time for us to fight the oligarchs and capitalist that have plagued for us for too long..after all we are of the maharlikan race we don't deserved this s.h.i.t
..be informed guys and stay well.!
quite a revolution i must say...i can only hope that we too will be doing "Occupy Philippines"...maybe it's time for us to fight the oligarchs and capitalist that have plagued for us for too long..after all we are of the maharlikan race we don't deserved this s.h.i.t
..be informed guys and stay well.!
‘Anonymous threat’ plot to undermine Wall Street protest?
source: RT NEWS (oct. 5, 2011)
The hacker group Anonymous says the reсent announcement that it will attack the New York Stock Exchange is actually a false flag operation to mar the Occupy Wall Street protests.
The initial threat, posted on Monday said that on October 10 the Anonymous would launch a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack on NYSE, which would “erase” it “from the internet”.
Over past years, similar attacks have brought down websites of several organizations, which the hacktivists targeted for their actions like prosecuting online pirates or obstructing the whistleblower site WikiLeaks.
The new attack was dubbed Invade Wall Street in parallel to the ongoing country-wide protests.
“We… declare a popular war against the New York Stock Exchange. The 10th of October is a day that will never be forgotten,” a statement posted from the group’s name says.
However, as the FBI assured that it is investigating the supposed future cyber attack, the Anonymous group came up with a denial.
“Operation Invade Wall Street is ********! It is a fake planted operation by law enforcement and cyber crime agencies in order to get you to undermine the Occupy Wall Street movement,” the new statement said.
The text went on to expose an alleged plan of those behind the operation to make supporters of the Anonymous reveal their identities by using flawed software in the attack on NYSE.
The events resemble the August threat to take down the social network Facebook, which Anonymous first voiced and later retracted.
The fuss around the stock exchange may actually be a clever plot by law enforcers using the masked nature of the hacktivist movement against them, an action by a rival online community with goals different to those voiced by the Anonymous earlier, or simply faction struggle within the group itself. The general public can only guess.
Los Angeles lawmakers cheer on protesters outside City Hall
October 4, 2011
source: LA times
During Tuesday’s Los Angeles City Council meeting, where the most scintillating item on the agenda was a proposal to increase ticket prices at the L.A. Zoo, a speaker stood up and told lawmakers they were ignoring an obvious fact: “You are surrounded by tents.”
He was referring to the large group of protesters camped a few hundred feet away, on a grassy lawn outside City Hall. The group, which calls itself Occupy L.A., has been there since Saturday in a demonstration against economic policies that benefit corporations and the wealthiest Americans.
The speaker, a well-known political gadfly named John Walsh, invited the council members to tour the tent city outside. So when the meeting adjourned, several of them did.
PHOTOS: Occupy L.A. protest
“It’s an entourage of peace makers!” Walsh said giddily as he walked toward the protest with Councilmen Bill Rosendahl, Eric Garcetti, Ed Reyes and Dennis Zine.
“It’s the right thing to do,” said Zine, who until recently was a registered Republican. “We could just drive by them, or we could go talk to them.”
The lawmakers, dressed in dark suits and surrounded by aides, caused a stir when they approached the rag-tag collection of tents, tarps and sleeping bags just off of Temple Street. News media and protesters armed with video cameras swarmed as the officials shook hands and introduced themselves.
Rosendahl told one woman that he empathized with the demonstrators, especially with their complaints about the role of banks in the foreclosure crisis.
“We are not enemies with the people here,” Rosendahl said. “Many of us totally agree with you that the situation we’re in is truly intolerable.”
Another woman, a 21-year-old protester named Katherine Knox-Davis, thanked Rosendahl for his support and asked for a hug. He obliged.
In the weeks leading up to the demonstration, which began Saturday with a march from Pershing Square, protesters devised a loose governing structure that in some ways resembles the City Council.
At Occupy L.A., every protester is a member of what is known as the “General Assembly," and many sit on one of several committees (Security, Print Media).
It is customary that any time someone has news to share, the entire group echoes the words of the speaker, to make sure everyone hears. So when a man shouted out, "We’ve got two guests today who want to talk to the General Assembly,” the whole crowd repeated him.
“Do I hear any objections?” he asked. There were none.
Rosendahl and Garcetti, the two council members who remained, called for equality in fiery speeches. When Garcetti shouted, “This is your City Hall!” the crowd repeated, "This is our City Hall!"
“Stay as long as you need," Garcetti told them. "We’re here to support you.”
Rosendahl said he hopes to introduce a resolution supporting the demonstrators during Wednesday's City Council meeting.
Many of those camped outside are expected to attend. It should be an interesting scene. Inside City Hall, the protesters will encounter not only politicians and city bureaucrats but also a bustling film set: The office of Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has been temporarily taken over by the cast and crew of "Gangster Squad," a movie set in the 1950s and starring Ryan Gosling, Nick Nolte and Sean Penn
Ben Bernanke (EVIL) on 'Occupy Wall Street' protest: I can't blame them
Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and others questioned Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke on Tuesday about the ongoing "Occupy Wall Street" protest in lower Manhattan.
"Chairman, as you know, there are people demonstrating against Wall Street in New York City and other cities around the country, and I think the perception on the part of these demonstrators and millions of other Americans is that as a result of the greed, the recklessness and the illegal behavior on Wall Street, we were plunged into the horrendous recession that we're in right now," Sanders said at a Joint Economic Committee hearing on the economic outlook.
"Do you agree with that assessment?" he asked Bernanke. "Did Wall Street's greed and recklessness cause this recession, that lead to so many people losing their jobs?"
Bernanke responded that excessive risk taking on Wall Street and the failure of financial regulators "had a lot to do" with the recession.
"You see protests both on the right and the left," said another member of the Joint Economic Committee, Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX). "The protests you see right now getting the headlines are on the left in New York. What is the protest saying to you? What are you hearing from that activity in New York right now?"
"Well, I would say very generally I think people are quite unhappy with the state of the economy and what's happening," Bernanke said. "They blame, with some justification, the problems in the financial sector for getting us into this mess, and they're dissatisfied with the policy response here in Washington.
"And at some level, I can't blame them," he added. "Certainly 9 percent unemployment and very slow growth is not a very good situation." Raw Story