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theres a news that Ray Ray Parks is MVP and Kiefer is ROY. Good job Ray Ray Parks and Kiefer. I just wish Ray Ray have additional help in order for NU to step up to the next level of UAAP competition.
well if ganyan nga talaga ang pag calculate ng MVP, talagang MVP yan si Parks. Ang naging misyon ng coach ng NU ay gawing MVP si Parks eh ng nalaman na wala na silang pag asa makapasok sa top 4 . Kahit tambak na ang kalaban di pa rin nilalabas para mapataas ang stats.
Si parks ang LBJ ng pinas. LBJ ng nasa Cleveland pa.
Siya yata ang unang player na naging MVP sa UAAP na di naman kasama saTop 4 ang team niya.
baka mamaya di siya maka champion pa rin next year tapos lipat na siya ng ibang school, now let's just wait for THE DECISION.
Haha . okey to ah.....abangan natin ang THE DECISION next year. Kung ganun dapat sya maki join sa D-Wade ng Pilipinas. hehe.Originally Posted by logan_triple
I don't like Lebron but you can't deny the fact that he led Cleveland to 6 consecutive winning seasons including 66 wins in 08-09 and 61 wins in 09-10 + a trip to the NBA Finals in 06-07 with mediocre talent around him.
Ray Parks? jury is still out...
Impressive stats indeed. There's no denying his talent, size and athleticism but i wonder what percentage of those stats did he put up in garbage time?
NU had 7 blowout games- 4 wins and 3 losses by at least 15 points (5 games by at least 22 points) and Ray Parks averaged 33.3 minutes per game in those 7 games, exactly the same as his season average!
3 losses
ADMU 86 -62 NU -35 mins
ADU 68-53 NU -32 mins
ADMU 61-39 NU -32 mins
4 wins
NU 91-51 UE -32 mins
NU 65-43 UP -30 mins
NU 56-40 DLSU -38 mins
NU 73-49 UST -34 mins
Ray Parks' last 2 games (with NU already eliminated from the F4):
NU 56-40 DLSU
38 min 25 pts 9 rebs 4 asts 1 blk 1 stl
NU 73-49 UST
34 min 22 pts 8 rebs 6 asts 3 blks 1 stl
average winning margin of 20 and he still averaged a whopping 36 minutes. with Parks winning the MVP by just 2 statistical pts, i guess he won the MVP in those 2 meaningless blowout wins.
Remove Parks and replace him with Ponferrada/Hermosisima and voila - a 7-7 record for NU.
Last edited by obscura; Sep 13, 2011 at 04:04 AM.
Parks is confirmed MVP of season 74 ..... hehehehe
There's no denying that Ray Parks is the most talented player in the league. He has the most PRO-potential. If all the UAAP players were placed in a draft pool, Parks would certainly be the top pick. If you ask anybody in the league who they woud want to build a team around, Parks (and probably Slaughter) would be their choice.
But league MVP? No way. And here's why.
a) NU had a losing record (6-8). Again, like I've stated in previous posts, I have a problem choosing an MVP from a team that failed to win even half their games. That's like picking an MVP from a 40-42 team in the NBA; it's not gonna happen.
b) NU didn't make the final 4. Hey, Dylan Ababou was named MVP with the same 6-8 record two years ago, but at least UST made the final 4 (and I had trouble with that choice too). It's like naming an MVP from a non-playoff NBA team..or from a PBA team that didn't even reach the quarter finals...or having an NCAA player of the year from a team that didn't make the NCAA tournament. Individual accolades should ALWAYS coincide with overall team success, and this clearly isn't the case here.
c) NU actually had a BETTER record (7-7) last year..WITHOUT Parks. Isn't an MVP supposed to make your team better, not the other way around?
d) Stats do matter, but HOW and WHEN you get those stats is the key. NU had so many blow out game wherein Parks,whether NU was up 20 or down 20 going to the last few minutes, was still playing, piling up stats in meaningless minutes, hoisting shot after shot in what we all call "garbage time". If this were Norman Black, he'd have his 3rd stringers already on the court. If this were Leo Austria, Nuyles and Alvarez would have already been on the bench cooling their heels. Not NU's coaching staff though. It seemed that they were gonna let their star recruit play heavy minutes regardless of the situation. And that's how you get your player to pile up stats...and get the UAAP season 74 MVP award.
Agree. How valuable is the player if the main objective of at least getting into the top 4 for a chance at the trophy wasn't done? Or is it just because of spectacular plays? valuable to the commercial endorsers, hence league? lol /end of sarcasm
kasama media votes.
Choker naman si Parks, kahit siya pa leading scorer sa mga won games nila sila Terso kumakana ng crucial baskets. Kapag mga elite teams kalaban kabado sa crunch time.
Example ng MVP performance ay yung kay RR Garcia na halos lahat ng won games nila ay come from behind anchored by him.
This kind of MVP selection sucks.
I was already dismayed two seasons ago when Dylan Ababou was namned MVP despite not having been able to win half of UST's games.
Now the UAAP board has outdone that blunder by doing a boneheaded move of naming Parks MVP.
This is gonna cause some serious controversy.
I remember that the reason why the MVP is now purely based on stat points is that there was a controversy in season 71 when some people believed that Jervy Cruz who averaged had a 20ppg and 10rpg season should have been MVP despite belonging to a UST team which didn't make the Final Four. As we all know, the award went to Rabeh Al-Husseini who led Ateneo to a 13-1 season while averaging about 17ppg and 8rpg.
The selection back then was similar to the NBA. Coaches and the media had votes. But they changed it in season 72 because of the "controversy" during the previous season. But naming Ray Parks as the MVP will cause even bigger controversies than before
ang issue nga naman daw dati was 'bayaran' yong media lol, hays naku, pinoy nga naman
Agree. RR Garcia is the only true MVP that this kind of MVP selection has produced so far. Dylan and Parks aren't true MVPs in my books.
After this season, they should go back to the previous and more effective MVP selection. I believe that selection is better and it hasn't produced any controversial or undeserving MVPs. It produced great pro players such as James Yap, Arwind Sanots, and Enrico Villanueva among others.
if im not mistaken, both are on their rookie years. if parks will be named as the season mvp, he should be then the rookie of the year as well.
am i missing something?
then who do you think should be the real winner then?
Don't hate the player. Hate the game.
Don't hate Parks just because he won the MVP award. He won the MVP award fair and square. Yan yung basis for choosing the MVP eh. Alangan naman wag niya galingan para wag niya makuha.
BTW, I also agree that the MVP should come from a team in the F4. Pero since wala sa ruling yun, congratulations to Parks for putting up insane stats and winning the MVP award!
Besides, no one should blame him and Coach E for working on his stats during their last game. Would you really slow down if the MVP award is within your reach? Heck, we can even say that Slaughter was working double-time during their last game. I've seen a lot of Ateneans pointing out that Slaughter was forcing to get his shots a lot of times.
alex nuyles for mvp.
its an unpopular decison no doubt but the decision was governed by the same set of rules afforded to each and every player, plus if you factor in the won game bonus SPs for players from teams with better records than NU one can actually say that parks was even at a disadvantage.
the same argument can also be made for palyers who won awards because of too many technicalities. just like jai reyes when he won the ROY a couple of years back because 1st year players who are college transferees or those who underwent residency are not eligible for the award.
i say take away all the technicalities and let the chips fall as they will.
the same can also be said for naming an MVP with mediocre stats from a good team. the system aint perfect at this point, and it may never be perfected, but until someone changes it then we'll have to live with it.
also, as i said earlier placing too many restrictions on awards is not good since it will also favor other players especially those on good teams.
to be fair NU had hermosisima, baloran and ponferrada last year, 3 veterans. i bet you if NU had those three this year the bulldogs would've been in the final four.
this analysis is so subjective, the way you put its as if it so easy to score and pile up stats garbage time notwithstanding.d) Stats do matter, but HOW and WHEN you get those stats is the key. NU had so many blow out game wherein Parks,whether NU was up 20 or down 20 going to the last few minutes, was still playing, piling up stats in meaningless minutes, hoisting shot after shot in what we all call "garbage time". If this were Norman Black, he'd have his 3rd stringers already on the court. If this were Leo Austria, Nuyles and Alvarez would have already been on the bench cooling their heels. Not NU's coaching staff though. It seemed that they were gonna let their star recruit play heavy minutes regardless of the situation. And that's how you get your player to pile up stats...and get the UAAP season 74 MVP award.
besides, it was only during sunday's game wherein he let parks play during so-called "garbage" time, in nu's blowout win against up in the 2nd round parks was taken out of the game with more than 6 minutes to go.
in the end, nothing's perfect but we have to give credit where credit is due. the fact that parks was able to win this despite being at a disadvantage when it came to bonus points is remarkable indeed. so unless someone says the rule should be "MVP only comes from a winning team" then parks won this one fair and square.
and don't forget the runner-up MVP, "Man Mammoth" MBE!
Parks is not a legit rookie as per the "Jai Reyes Rule". Also AFAIK, the Season MVP must be chosen from a team that makes the Final 4 (unless they changed the rules again, which they often do) ..
IMHO you're not much of an MVP if you come from a losing team, just a stat stuffer.
mbe "was" still in this team (i say was because there are reports that he is leaving nu for france) as well as joseph terso, those two were the only remnants of last season's nu team that went 7-7.and don't forget the runner-up MVP, "Man Mammoth" MBE!
the point being made is that nu lost three veterans this year so in fact that 6-8 record (which by the way is only 1 game off last year's total) isn't that bad really. factor in the fact that nu was involved in close games with ust (1st round), ue (1st round) and feu both rounds then we see that this season wasn't all too bad for the bulldogs.
lastly, the success of the bulldogs won't be solely on parks's shoulders, the team needs good pointguards to realize its final four promise, good as they are alonino and labingisa aren't lead point guard materials yet, maybe in 2-3 years time but till then nu has to find a pointguard that will have an immediate impact on the team.
I agree.. its like choosing Danny Manning as Season MVP when he was still with the Clippers or Vancouver's Shareef Abdur-Rahim! they were stat-stuffers too!There's no denying that Ray Parks is the most talented player in the league. He has the most PRO-potential. If all the UAAP players were placed in a draft pool, Parks would certainly be the top pick. If you ask anybody in the league who they woud want to build a team around, Parks (and probably Slaughter) would be their choice.
But league MVP? No way. And here's why.
a) NU had a losing record (6-8). Again, like I've stated in previous posts, I have a problem choosing an MVP from a team that failed to win even half their games. That's like picking an MVP from a 40-42 team in the NBA; it's not gonna happen.
b) NU didn't make the final 4. Hey, Dylan Ababou was named MVP with the same 6-8 record two years ago, but at least UST made the final 4 (and I had trouble with that choice too). It's like naming an MVP from a non-playoff NBA team..or from a PBA team that didn't even reach the quarter finals...or having an NCAA player of the year from a team that didn't make the NCAA tournament. Individual accolades should ALWAYS coincide with overall team success, and this clearly isn't the case here.
c) NU actually had a BETTER record (7-7) last year..WITHOUT Parks. Isn't an MVP supposed to make your team better, not the other way around?
d) Stats do matter, but HOW and WHEN you get those stats is the key. NU had so many blow out game wherein Parks,whether NU was up 20 or down 20 going to the last few minutes, was still playing, piling up stats in meaningless minutes, hoisting shot after shot in what we all call "garbage time". If this were Norman Black, he'd have his 3rd stringers already on the court. If this were Leo Austria, Nuyles and Alvarez would have already been on the bench cooling their heels. Not NU's coaching staff though. It seemed that they were gonna let their star recruit play heavy minutes regardless of the situation. And that's how you get your player to pile up stats...and get the UAAP season 74 MVP award.
BTW to the others who commented about the LBJ = Ray Parks Analogy, I definitely DONT Agree. At least LBJ carried the Cavs all the way into the Playoffs, even FINALS all by himself! as supposed to Parks who carried his team all the way to -- 5th Place(out of 8 teams) -- W-O-Wplus, made majority of his points during GARBAGE time in GARBAGE games..
Norman Black COULD HAVE done the same by not taking out Kiefer and Slaughter during the last 2-4mins of already won ballgames, if it was only STAT PADDING that he was concerned about.
this is PURE B@!#!@$T .. they should immediately ammend this rule, though I remember back in the late 90's Danny Ildefonso, despite leading the league in statistical points, never won the Season MVP award.. so what gives?
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