Muslims, The Jesus Freaks???

[mani94]

Muslims, the Jesus (PBUH) freaks??? (v2)

by Dr. Laurence B. Brown, a graduate of Cornell University, Brown Medical School, and George Washington University Hospital residency program, is an ophthalmic surgeon, specializing in cataract and refractive surgery. Dr. Brown served as a respected ophthalmologist in the U.S. Air Force for a period of eight years. Following a personal ordeal involving his daughter, Dr. Brown redirected his focus to religious study, including his conversion to Islam in April of 1994. The results of his study are outlined in his non-fiction books.
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When I was a child, growing up in the sixties and seventies just a few blocks away from the notorious Haight-Ashbury district of San Francisco, I was surrounded by the hippie movement. It was a “turn on, tune in, drop out” age of sexual freedom, cultural revolution and social recklessness.

Happily, I was never caught up in the hippie movement, but being so close to it, I could not help but observe its development. One thing I clearly remember is how many hippies were labeled “Jesus freaks.” As I surf my childhood memories, nearly four decades later, this euphemism strikes me as having been decidedly peculiar. These hippies were considered “Jesus freaks” because they dressed as Jesus did, grew their hair as he did, renounced materialism as he did, and propagated devotion to God, peace, charity and communal love.

Now, many whom embarked upon this path fell into hallucinogenic drug use and wanton sexual proclivities—practices which are far from the example of Jesus—but this is not why these hippies were called Jesus freaks. Rather, they were called Jesus freaks for their long hair, loose clothing, asceticism, communal unity and passivism, all a result of their effort to live like Jesus. The House of Love and Prayer, located nearby in the avenues, was a collecting point for many of these well-meaning souls, and the title of the institution reflected their focus in life.

Looking back, what seems strange to me now is not that people would wish to embody Jesus’ values, but that others would criticize them for it. What seems even stranger is that few Christians, in the modern day, match this profile. Indeed, what seemed most strange to me, prior to my conversion to Islam, is that Muslims seemed to embody Jesus’ values better than Christians.

Now, that assertion requires an explanation, and it goes like this: To begin with, both Christianity and Islam consider Jesus to have been a prophet of their religion. However, whereas Jesus’ teachings have been lost from the creed and practices of most Christians (see my article, Where is the “Christ” in “Christianity?”), these same teachings are respected and evident in Islam.

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[mani94]

Let us look at some examples:

Appearance:

1. Jesus was bearded, as are most Muslims, but only the rare Christian.



2. Jesus dressed modestly. If we close our eyes and form a mental picture, we see flowing robes, from wrists to ankles—much like the loose Arabian thobes and the Indio-Pakistani shalwar kameez, typical of the Muslims of those areas. What we don’t imagine is the revealing or seductive clothing so ubiquitous in Christian cultures.



3. Jesus’ mother covered her hair, and this practice was maintained among the Christian women of the Holy Land up to the middle of the twentieth century. Again, this is a practice maintained among Muslims as well as Orthodox Jews (of which Jesus was one), but not among modern day Christians.


Muslim girl.

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[mani94]

Manners

1. Jesus focused upon salvation and eschewed finery. How many “righteous” Christians fit this “It’s not just on Sundays” profile? Now how many “five prayers a day, every day of the year” Muslims?

2. Jesus spoke with humility and kindness. He didn’t “showboat.” When we think of his speeches, we don’t imagine theatrics. He was a simple man known for quality and truth. How many preachers and how many evangelists follow this example?



3. Jesus taught his disciples to offer the greeting of “Peace” (Luke 10:5), and then set the example: “Peace be with you” (Luke 24:36, John 20:19, John 20:21, John 20:26). Who continues this practice to this day, Christians or Muslims? “Peace be with you” is the meaning of the Muslim greeting, “Assalam alaikum.” Interestingly enough, we find this greeting in Judaism as well (Genesis 43:23, Numbers 6:26, Judges 6:23, I Samuel 1:17 and I Samuel 25:6).

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[mani94]

Religious Practices

1. Jesus was circumcised (Luke 2:21). Paul taught it wasn’t necessary (Rom 4:11 and Gal 5:2). Muslims believe it is.

2. Jesus didn’t eat pork, in keeping with Old Testament law (Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8). Muslims also believe pork is forbidden. Christians … well, you get the idea.



3. Jesus didn’t give or take usury, in compliance with the Old Testament prohibition (Exodus 22:25). Usury is forbidden in the Old Testament and the Quran, as it was forbidden in the religion of Jesus. The economies of most Christian countries, however, are structured upon usury.



4. Jesus didn’t fornicate, and abstained from extramarital contact with women. Now, this issue extends to the least physical contact with the opposite sex. With the exception of performing religious rituals and helping those in need, Jesus never even touched a woman other than his mother. Strictly practicing Orthodox Jews maintain this practice to this day in observance of Old Testament law. Likewise, practicing Muslims don’t even shake hands between the sexes. Can Christian “hug your neighbor” and “kiss the bride” congregations make the same claim?

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[mani94]

Practices of Worship

1. Jesus purified himself with washing prior to prayer, as was the practice of the pious prophets who preceded him (see Exodus 40:31-32 in reference to Moses and Aaron), and as is the practice of Muslims.


Muslims purifies/wash before prayer.

2. Jesus prayed in prostration (Matthew 26:39), like the other prophets (see Nehemiah 8:6 with regard to Ezra and the people, Joshua 5:14 for Joshua, Genesis 17:3 and 24:52 for Abraham, Exodus 34:8 and Numbers 20:6 for Moses and Aaron). Who prays like that, Christians or Muslims?



"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..."
-(MATTHEW 26:39).
"O you who believe! Bow down and prostrate yourselves and serve your Lord, and do good that you may prosper."
-(NOBLE QURAN 22:77).
"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..."
-(JOSHUA 5:14).
"And he (Elijah) cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees."
-(1 KINGS 18:42).
"And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their faces..."
-(NUMBERS 20:6).
"And Abraham fell on his face..."
-(GENESIS 17:3).

3. Jesus fasted for more than a month at a time (Matthew 4:2 and Luke 4:2), as did the pious before him (Exodus 34:28, I Kings 19:8), and as do Muslims in the annual fast of the month of Ramadan.

O you who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard (against evil).
(Noble Quran 2:83)



Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
(Matthew 4:1-2)

Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
(Matthew 17:21)[/QUOTE]

4. Jesus made pilgrimage for the purpose of worship, as all Orthodox Jews aspire to do. The Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is well known, and is alluded to in the Bible (see The First and Final Commandment).



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[mani94]

Matters of Creed

1. Jesus taught the oneness of God (Mark 12:29-30, Matthew 22:37 and Luke 10:27), as conveyed in the first commandment (Exodus 20:3). Nowhere did he declare the Trinity.

2. Jesus declared himself a man and a prophet of God (see above), and nowhere claimed divinity or divine sonship. Which creed are the above points more consistent with—the Trinitarian formula or the absolute monotheism of Islam?

In short, Muslims appear to be the “Jesus freaks” of modern day, if by that expression we mean those who live by God’s laws and Jesus’ example.

Carmichael notes, “… for a whole generation after Jesus’ death his followers were pious Jews and proud of it, had attracted into their fold members of the professional religious classes, and did not deviate even from the burdensome ceremonial laws.”

One wonders what happened between the practices of the first generation of Jesus’ followers and the Christians of modern day. At the same time, we have to respect the fact that Muslims exemplify Jesus’ teachings more than Christians do. Furthermore, we should remember that the Old Testament foretold three prophets to follow. John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were numbers one and two, and Jesus Christ himself predicted the third and last. Hence, both Old and New Testaments speak of a final prophet, and we would be amiss if we didn’t consider that final prophet to be Muhammad, and the final revelation to be that of Islam.

For further reading, click here.

[magdagul]

3 prophets????i think your wrong....jesus him self was not counted as prophet.jesus was the son of god made in flesh.don't miss lead it....

[skye_phoenix]

Furthermore, we should remember that the Old Testament foretold three prophets to follow. John the Baptist and Jesus Christ were numbers one and two, and Jesus Christ himself predicted the third and last. Hence, both Old and New Testaments speak of a final prophet, and we would be amiss if we didn’t consider that final prophet to be Muhammad, and the final revelation to be that of Islam.

For further reading, click here.

Sistah mani, San sa Old Testament nakasulat yung tungkol sa 3 propeta? Paki post please, tenkyu.

[skye_phoenix]

Sistah mani, San sa Old Testament nakasulat yung tungkol sa 3 propeta? Paki post please, tenkyu.

Hmp. Ayaw ako sagutin ni Sistah mani! Hindi na kita bati!

[mani94]

Hmp. Ayaw ako sagutin ni Sistah mani! Hindi na kita bati!

sorry po for the late reply, eto po yung video for the discussion about it (maraming parts yan, go to the next video to see the next part):

http://www.youtube.com/v/HzPbS0RCvBE...46A64&index=13

Peace to all who seek truth and guidance...

God is The Greatest...

[skye_phoenix]

Tenkyu! Bati na ulit kita.

[mani94]

3 prophets????i think your wrong....jesus him self was not counted as prophet.jesus was the son of god made in flesh.don't miss lead it....

god made flesh? sabi ni jesus?

And this is eternal life: to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent-Jesus the Messiah.
John 17:3

Jesus told her, "Don't hold on to me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17

“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of God anything but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His Messengers. Do not say “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for God is One God: glory be to Him: (far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs”
(Quran 4:171)

[mani94]

13 - Muhammad PBUH in the Bible (Part 2) - The Proof That Islam Is The Truth - Abdur-Raheem Green

http://www.youtube.com/v/XPZjDErZIBo...46A64&index=14

[mani94]

Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.
{Noble Quran 2:256}

[mani94]

Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!
{Noble Quran 18:29}

[Adamanthivm]

This thread is like the PEx Forum's equivalent of a botcha (a dead swine's meat being advertised and sold [illegally]). ☻

[mani94]

Meron ba practices ang mga supposedly "Christians" ngayon na based sa ginagawa ni Jesus (PBUH)?

[aida]

Jesus didn’t eat pork, in keeping with Old Testament law (Leviticus 11:7 and Deuteronomy 14:8). Muslims also believe pork is forbidden. Christians … well, you get the idea.

Levitucus 11:7 "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. 8 Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."

Who can explain the parable but God alone through His words.

Acts 10:28 "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean."

"Clean and unclean food" literally pertaining to animals, fishes, and fowls actually refer to people! Consequently, the laws on "clean and unclean food" remain enforceable in the New Testament, not with human understanding but by God's revelation through His words. This truth is revealed to Paul in:

Romans 7:14 "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal…"

Chew the Cud

If these animals refer to people then "cud" is the symbol for the word of God, which is the "living bread."

Jeremiah 15:16 "Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart…"

"Chewing the cud" therefore stands for "rightly dividing the word of truth" and this is the equivalent of Christ "breaking of bread:"

2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

This "clean and unclean food" is an example of how the chosen "chew the cud." The word is not just taken literally, but "broken or divided," that is, examined carefully to get the spiritual message behind the "letter" or literal (2 Corinthians 3:6). In the "demonstration" of God to Simon Peter where Cornelius is considered "clean," like the Disciples, the Italian centurion would have loved "chewing the cud."

In contrast, the Natural Man (1 Corinthians 2:14) is contented with the "letter of the word," or he may put some meaning to the word which is only the result of human wisdom. No wonder, the word of God appears to be contradictory and irreconcilable.

Swine

Swine have "split hoofs but do not chew the cud." Jesus Christ saw these in the Scribes and Pharisees who called them "hypocrites" (Matthew 23). For not being endowed with divine knowledge and wisdom, they are limited only to the "letter" and never could they comprehend the "spirit of the law." They may be sincere in the eyes of men and appear to have "circumcised heart," that is, pious and righteous. But their righteousness is not based on God's standard:

Romans 10:2 "For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."

They are known as ministers of God, but they are limited to the "letter" for lack of divine revelation on the "spirit" of the law. This is revealed to Paul:

2 Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter (LITERAL), but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

[mani94]

Kailan pa naging words ni God yung mga sinasabi ni Paul? Paul who is not a prophet or messenger of God... or even a disciple of Jesus (PBUH) man lang sana.... Paul who has not even met Jesus (PBUH)....

Who will you follow? Jesus (PBUH) or Paul?

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them
Matthew 5:17

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Christianity teaches that Jesus(as) died for the sins of mankind; It is the foundation stone of every church, regardless of its being Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Methodist or any of the other denominational sects. Every “good” Christian believes that their sins are forgiven by the blessed name and blood of Jesus(as). The problem with this however is that this is contrary to not only the teachings of Prophet Jesus(as), but to the teachings of The Holy Bible itself. Even the idea put forth by the Christians that all children are born with the black stain of sin runs contrary to this event in the ministry of Prophet Jesus(as);

“Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” Mark 10:14-15

Any belief that Christians have in regards to a child being born in sin is refuted by the above words of Prophet Jesus(as). He makes it clear that unless you are as “innocent” as a child, you can never inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Now the Christian hinges this belief on the words spoken by Paul with respect to Jesus(as) redeeming the world from its sin. For a detailed discussion: The Mosaic Law, Original Sin And Blood Atonement

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Practical Ills of Original Sin

Everybody is practically a sinner in the concept of original sin but if the concept is analyzed, it says that everybody is innocent as the sin is not their own. This concept is nowhere in the Bible. The only places where such a thing is mentioned, it speaks of worldly punishment and nothing else. Other than the reason that it is not mentioned in the Bible and is an innovation, there are practical reasons why it should be banned.
1. It blames God which is blasphemy
2. It degrades Prophet Adam
3. It degrades women
4. It takes away the blame from the culprit and makes him a victim
5. It encourages other man-made concepts – One lie leads to the other
6. It encourages immorality
7. It promotes a culture of blasphemy and complacency

[mani94]

“And We bestowed upon him (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, each of them We guided, and before him, We guided Noah, and among his progeny David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good doers. And Zachariah, and John and Jesus and Elias, each one of them was of the righteous. And Ishmael and Elisha, and Jonah and Lot, and each one of them We preferred above all the worlds. And also some of their fathers and their progeny and their brethren, We chose them, and We guided them to a Straight Path. This is the Guidance of God with which He guides whomsoever He will of His slaves. But if they had joined in worship others with God, all that they used to do would have been of no benefit to them. They are those whom We gave the Book, the Understanding, and Prophethood…”
(Quran 6:83-87)