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    Saang talata sa biblia nakasulat na ang salita ng Dios binubuo ng 66 na libro?

    Ang biblia lamang ang theopneustos. Fine. Tanging kinasihan in other words ng espirito ng Dios - tindig ng mga ebanghelico/protestante. Matatalim na mga pangangatwiran ang ginagamit ng mga protestante/ebanghelico upang ipagtanggol ang kanilang bilang ng 66 book na biblia. Ang tanong, nasa biblia ba ang tindig nilang ito?

    1) Ang biblia lamang ang Kinasihan, Tangi, Huli at Pinakamataas na Autoridad sa aral at doctrinang Cristiana.

    Kung magkagayon - baket kailangan pang kumunsulta sa mga bible scholar, hudyo at protestante kung wala naman palang ibang dapat panggalingan ng doctrina?

    2) Nasa biblia ang lahat ng kaalaman ukol sa kaligtasan.Ang dapat lang tanggapin na mga doctrina ay yung matatagpuan direktamente sa biblia.

    So nasaan dito matatagpuan na ang canon of scripture 66 books?

    3) Ang mga autoridad ay nasa pailalim at dapat maitutuwid ng biblia.

    Paano naituwid ng biblia ang 66 canon ng mga Hebreo at mga Protestante?

    Tanong sa mga ebanghelico/protestante: Paano niyo nasabi na yang hawak niyong biblia walang labis walang kulang samantalang di niyo naman mahugot yang numero na 66 libro ang bumubuo sa biblia sa biblia mismo - na dapat tanging batayan sa usapin ng pananampalataya ayon sa inyo?

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    saan sa bibliya nakasulat na ang salita ng Diyos ay may bilang ng libro?

    anyway, if we look at Isaiah, Isaiah is 66 chapters, and guess what is chapter 40 about? John the Baptist.

    and guess what is the 40th book in a 66 book bible? Matthew, the start of the NT

    coincidence? maybe

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    So what's significant about that?^

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartDessa View Post
    saan sa bibliya nakasulat na ang salita ng Diyos ay may bilang ng libro?
    I should be asking you that question lol. Saan niyo nakuha ang 66 book na canon of scripture sa biblia?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmartDessa View Post
    anyway, if we look at Isaiah, Isaiah is 66 chapters, and guess what is chapter 40 about? John the Baptist.

    and guess what is the 40th book in a 66 book bible? Matthew, the start of the NT

    coincidence? maybe
    So the 66 book canon of scriptures came from coincidence? Ganun?

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    Give me a scroll without chapters and verses and I can arrange it and index it to make it coincide with the verses I want.

    Dividing a scroll into books, chapters, and verses are just tools so that the reader can navigate it and remember the passages easily. Without this indexing, it will be difficult, like finding a needle in a haystack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowen View Post
    Give me a scroll without chapters and verses and I can arrange it and index it to make it coincide with the verses I want.

    Dividing a scroll into books, chapters, and verses are just tools so that the reader can navigate it and remember the passages easily. Without this indexing, it will be difficult, like finding a needle in a haystack.
    So for you it's just a matter of convenience? So the bible is 66 books simply because it is convenient that way? Is that what you are saying?

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    ^ the original bible didn't have verses, or chapters anyway. also, biblical canon differs between religions.
    "With great looks comes great responsibility"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ischaramoochie View Post
    ^ the original bible didn't have verses, or chapters anyway. also, biblical canon differs between religions.
    That is exactly the point. What is the basis now of the protestants and evangelicals in coming up with a 66 canon bible especially when they say that the bible is the only authority regarding faith and doctrine. So where in the bible could we find this 66 canon/rule/list?

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    STATEMENT OF FAITH

    The Word of God

    We believe the Bible consists of 66 books, both Old (39) and New (27) Testament, which is the sole authority for every believer in terms of norms and practice
    . (Psalms 12:6,7; Matthew 5:18-19; Mark 13:31; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 4:12; 2 Peter 1:20-21)

    At sino naman kayang author sa bawat book sa Bible ang magsasabing 66 books yung kinasihan? Malay ba nung author sa 66 books na yan tsk tsk tsk

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    I should be asking you that question lol. Saan niyo nakuha ang 66 book na canon of scripture sa biblia?
    well I can answer na nakuha namin yun sa 73 na kinanon ng romano katoliko, na isang bilang rin ng mga libro.

    question back at you, where in the scriotures can you see that the Bible books has a no.? in your case, 73.

    So the 66 book canon of scriptures came from coincidence? Ganun?
    nope, didn't say that.

    it's just that the book of Isaiah strongly prophesied about Christ and the NT.

    and the cry in the wilderness is in chapter 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmartDessa View Post
    well I can answer na nakuha namin yun sa 73 na kinanon ng romano katoliko, na isang bilang rin ng mga libro.
    Thanks for your honesty that you GOT IT FROM US CATHOLICS and not from Scripture. So it is clear that you didn't get it from scripture.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmartDessa View Post
    question back at you, where in the scriotures can you see that the Bible books has a no.? in your case, 73.
    We don't have to justify our answer through scripture alone - we aren't sola scriptura practitioners. We hold on to the teaching authority of the Catholic Church founded by Christ which established for us the canon of scripture at 73 books.

    So a follow-up question - where did you get in scripture that 7 books should be subtracted from the 73 catholic canon of scripture of the catholics? What is your biblical basis? What verse?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmartDessa View Post
    nope, didn't say that.

    it's just that the book of Isaiah strongly prophesied about Christ and the NT.

    and the cry in the wilderness is in chapter 40.
    This doesn't answer the question and this is contrary to what you were saying previously - you got it from catholics.

    So it is clear that you have no biblical basis for your 66 book canon of scripture and this goes against the principle of sola scriptura. Your teaching/doctrine therefore should be discarded by your own principles since doctrines for you should be at all times supported by scripture - and there isn't any in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    STATEMENT OF FAITH

    The Word of God

    We believe the Bible consists of 66 books, both Old (39) and New (27) Testament, which is the sole authority for every believer in terms of norms and practice
    . (Psalms 12:6,7; Matthew 5:18-19; Mark 13:31; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 4:12; 2 Peter 1:20-21)

    At sino naman kayang author sa bawat book sa Bible ang magsasabing 66 books yung kinasihan? Malay ba nung author sa 66 books na yan tsk tsk tsk
    Wala ka namang binibigay na talata na 66 books nga ang biblia. Napakasimple ng tanong sasagot ka lang sablay na naman? I know you believe that the bible consists of 66 books - ano nga ang biblical basis ng 66 books? Saang talata? Kasasabi mo lang SOLE AUTHORITY FOR EVERY BELIEVER IN TERMS OF NORMS AND PRACTICE. So saan mo hinango sa biblia ang aral/doctrina niyo na ang composition ng biblia mo na 66 books? Umamin na si smartdessa - sa catolico daw :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    STATEMENT OF FAITH

    The Word of God

    We believe the Bible consists of 66 books, both Old (39) and New (27) Testament, which is the sole authority for every believer in terms of norms and practice
    . (Psalms 12:6,7; Matthew 5:18-19; Mark 13:31; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 4:12; 2 Peter 1:20-21)

    At sino naman kayang author sa bawat book sa Bible ang magsasabing 66 books yung kinasihan? Malay ba nung author sa 66 books na yan tsk tsk tsk
    am quite curious, do the verses you posted above contain anything about the canon having only 66 books?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totnak View Post
    am quite curious, do the verses you posted above contain anything about the canon having only 66 books?
    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Wala ka namang binibigay na talata na 66 books nga ang biblia. Napakasimple ng tanong sasagot ka lang sablay na naman? I know you believe that the bible consists of 66 books - ano nga ang biblical basis ng 66 books? Saang talata? Kasasabi mo lang SOLE AUTHORITY FOR EVERY BELIEVER IN TERMS OF NORMS AND PRACTICE. So saan mo hinango sa biblia ang aral/doctrina niyo na ang composition ng biblia mo na 66 books? Umamin na si smartdessa - sa catolico daw :P
    Wala naman pong makikita e, kaya nga isa sa statement of faith namin na

    We believe the Bible consists of 66 books, both Old (39) and New (27) Testament, which is the sole authority for every believer in terms of norms and practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    Wala naman pong makikita e, kaya nga isa sa statement of faith namin na
    so your basis isn't biblical then?

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    Yes po! Pure God's word ang Bible, wala naman sigurong mali dun kuya totsky

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    Yes po! Pure God's word ang Bible, wala naman sigurong mali dun kuya totsky
    I thought you believe in SOLA SCRIPTURA? how then would you justify such lack of biblical evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    Wala naman pong makikita e, kaya nga isa sa statement of faith namin na
    Eh di wala kang matibay na batayan para sabihin na 66 books nga ang kinasihan ng espirito santo na aklat ng biblia? Sa biblia lamang dapat manggaling ang paniniwala mo di ba? Baket yung pinakamahalagang bahagi ng paniniwala mo wala sa biblia - kung ano bumubuo sa biblia na salita ng Dios?

    Ang sagot ni Jeric - wala pong makikita sa biblia. Kaya yang 66 book canon ng mga ebanghelico/protestante - base lang sa haka haka nila na ayon din sa prinsipyo nilang sola scriptura - hindi dapat pagtiwalaan dahil di naman matatagpuan at di suportado ng biblia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Eh di wala kang matibay na batayan para sabihin na 66 books nga ang kinasihan ng espirito santo na aklat ng biblia? Sa biblia lamang dapat manggaling ang paniniwala mo di ba? Baket yung pinakamahalagang bahagi ng paniniwala mo wala sa biblia - kung ano bumubuo sa biblia na salita ng Dios?

    Ang kulit

    STATEMENT OF FAITH

    The Word of God


    We believe the Bible consists of 66 books, both Old (39) and New (27) Testament, which is the sole authority for every believer in terms of norms and practice. (Psalms 12:6,7; Matthew 5:18-19; Mark 13:31; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 4:12; 2 Peter 1:20-21)

    At sino naman kayang author sa bawat book sa Bible ang magsasabing 66 books yung kinasihan? Malay ba nung author sa 66 books na yan tsk tsk tsk


    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Ang sagot ni Jeric - wala pong makikita sa biblia. Kaya yang 66 book canon ng mga ebanghelico/protestante - base lang sa haka haka nila na ayon din sa prinsipyo nilang sola scriptura -
    Ah ganun ba? kaya pala gumagamit din kayo ng 66 books sa Bible at anong prublema mo? Salita ng Diyos ang 66 books sa Bible? Anong pinoprublema mo?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    hindi dapat pagtiwalaan dahil di naman matatagpuan at di suportado ng biblia.
    in your dreams!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    Ang kulit

    STATEMENT OF FAITH

    The Word of God


    We believe the Bible consists of 66 books, both Old (39) and New (27) Testament, which is the sole authority for every believer in terms of norms and practice. (Psalms 12:6,7; Matthew 5:18-19; Mark 13:31; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; Hebrews 4:12; 2 Peter 1:20-21)
    Di ka sumasagot sa tanong - inaaffirm mo lang na 66 books ang biblia - saang TALATA MO NGA MATATAGPUAN NA ANG BIBLIA 66 BOOKS TULAD NG NASA STATEMENT OF FAITH MO. Yan tinayp ko na in caps baka naman maintindihan mo na.

    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    At sino naman kayang author sa bawat book sa Bible ang magsasabing 66 books yung kinasihan? Malay ba nung author sa 66 books na yan tsk tsk tsk
    So kung ngayon umaamin ka maski yung author walang malay sa bilang na 66 books ng biblia - saan mo nga ito hinugot?

    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    Ah ganun ba? kaya pala gumagamit din kayo ng 66 books sa Bible at anong prublema mo? Salita ng Diyos ang 66 books sa Bible? Anong pinoprublema mo?
    Wala kaming problema ikaw ang meron kase clueless ka na naman lols. Bigay mo lang ang talata kung saan matatagpuan yung nasa statement of faith mo na 66 BOOKS ANG BIBLIA. Yung mga talatang binigay mo hindi sagot sa tanong. Wala namang mababasang nasusulat: ANG BIBLIA BINUBUO NG 66 NA AKLAT: 39 SA LUMANG TIPAN, 27 SA BAGONG TIPAN bilang suporta doon sa inimbento niyong statement of faith. Kaya ano autoridad mo sa 66 books eh wala naman sa biblia. Eh biblia lang autoridad mo di ba? So kung yung 66 books kinuha mo lang sa statement of faith mo ibig sabihin KAHIPOCRITUHAN na naman ginagawa mo Jeric. Sinasabi mo biblia lamang ang tanging autoridad pero ang totoo may iba ka pang autoridad sa pananampalataya na wala namang suporta sa biblia kahit isang talata. Kaya ikaw ang may problema - malubha ang kaparusahan sa mga hipocrito:

    50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 24

    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    in your dreams!
    Totoo naman di ba? Wala kang mahugot na sitas sa biblia na 66 aklat ang bumubuo sa salita ng Dios. So paano ka nakasisiguro sa aral mo? Wala kang kasiguruhan dahil ang TANGI at PINAKAMATAAS na autoridad mo lang biblia. Eh wala naman sa biblia aminado ka pati autor ng mga aklat di nila alam na 66 aklat ang biblia. So ano naging batayan mo? Hindi biblia - hindi din yung mga autor. So MGA SARILI NIYO LANG ULET ginagawa niyong autoridad. Malaking kasalanan yang magbawas ng bilang ng salita ng Dios. 73 ginawa niyong 66 ng walang batayan sa biblia?

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