Is ISLAM based on PAGAN roots?

[ascorbicacid31]

@ascorbicacid31

so ang point mo ay... ang muslim ay isang malaking scam??

bale, pinapaniwala sila ni Muhammed sa isang Abrahamic type na religion pero ang reality... they INVOKE the SPIRIT of a PAGAN GOD...

According to the references, yes.

[ascorbicacid31]

I think the religion of Islam is founded on a duality concept (play of the opposites - see my other thread "Why Muslims greet in reverse).

It is a religion of peace and on the other hand we see a religion of war and violence. They treat the kafir (unbelievers) with fairness, they believe what they want to believe and I believe what I want to believe, but on the other hand, suppress the kafir till they submit to Islam.

[banimalek]

Wala parin sa aral ang paksa, kapag tungkol na po sa aral namin at hindi panghuhula mo lang ay nandito lang po ang inyong lingkod, tandaan mo na hindi nakaka-epekto ang lahat ng ipinapaskil mo laban sa Islam.

[ascorbicacid31]

To add another entry for the number of Ishtar the moon goddess which is the number 5, Kosmos has made this entry:

"Let me tell you, that in Islam, FIVE are considered MARTYRS, as stated by the prophet:

The shuhadaa’ (Martyrs) are five:

1. the one who dies of plague,
2. the one who dies of a stomach disease,
3. the one who drowns,
4. the one who is crushed by a falling wall (earthquakes and such),
5. and the one who is killed for the sake of Allah.”

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...4#post55914074

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This adds one more to the list:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...55&postcount=3


1) Prayer is done 5 times a day.

2) The 5th day of the week, Friday, is where all Muslims gather as a congregation to pray and worship.

3) The Hazrat Panjetan-e-Pak are the 5 purified holy personalities that together are the founding Islamic family.

4) In the sura al-Haj, the name of Allah is repeated 5 times.

5) There are 5 suras that start with Al-Hamdullelah – Hamd, Inaam, Kahf, Saba, and Fatr.

6) The 5 pillars of Islam.

7) The 5 martys of Islam. <----new entry by kosmos

[banimalek]

Nandito lang kami kapag aral na ang tinatalakay, sayang ang bytes kung puro panghuhula lang ang inilalatag mo.

Salamat po!

[kos_mos]

To add another entry for the number of Ishtar the moon goddess which is the number 5, Kosmos has made this entry:

"Let me tell you, that in Islam, FIVE are considered MARTYRS, as stated by the prophet:

The shuhadaa’ (Martyrs) are five:

1. the one who dies of plague,
2. the one who dies of a stomach disease,
3. the one who drowns,
4. the one who is crushed by a falling wall (earthquakes and such),
5. and the one who is killed for the sake of Allah.”

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...4#post55914074

...

This adds one more to the list:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...55&postcount=3


1) Prayer is done 5 times a day.

2) The 5th day of the week, Friday, is where all Muslims gather as a congregation to pray and worship.

Who told you Muslims start counting their days from Monday so that Friday would be the fifth day of the week? Saturdays and Sundays are working days in Muslim countries. Start counting from Saturday to reach the seventh day Friday. Goodness.

3) The Hazrat Panjetan-e-Pak are the 5 purified holy personalities that together are the founding Islamic family.

Who in the world are those?

4) In the sura al-Haj, the name of Allah is repeated 5 times.W

Uhuh, how about other surah?

5) There are 5 suras that start with Al-Hamdullelah – Hamd, Inaam, Kahf, Saba, and Fatr.

6) The 5 pillars of Islam.

Ngayun?

7) The 5 martys of Islam. <----new entry by kosmos

Uh, that's actually not the complete list of people who are considered martyrs. There's another hadith with 7 kinds of martyrs.


So finally, what is it really? Is Islam based on the number 99? Or 5? Enlighten us, the Muslims, please.

[ascorbicacid31]

Who told you Muslims start counting their days from Monday so that Friday would be the fifth day of the week? Saturdays and Sundays are working days in Muslim countries. Start counting from Saturday to reach the seventh day Friday. Goodness.

Different Muslim countries adopt different days of rest and work. Didn't you know? Are you even familiar with this? There's no standard. Goodness.

Read this:

" This is frequently made official, with many Muslim countries adopting Friday and Saturday (e.g. Egypt) or Thursday and Friday (e.g. Saudi Arabia) as official weekends during which offices are closed; other countries (e.g. Iran) choose to make Friday alone a day of rest, and still others (e.g. Morocco) adopt the Western Saturday-Sunday weekend and make Friday a working day."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar


The international standard will be used.

"Friday is the fifth day of the week according to the international standard ISO 8601."

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/friday.html

Friday or Frigga is the day of the moon goddess which follows after her number, which is the number 5, thus the 5th day.

Who in the world are those?

You are Muslim and you don't know who on earth they are? Goodness.

Uhuh, how about other surah?

"In the sura al-Haj, the name of Allah is repeated 5 times."

This info came from Islamic sources.

If you are doubtful and want to know more, kindly email them.

Tell me how it goes.

Ngayun?

Today? Not enough input. Please elaborate more and specify your questions. Thank you.

Uh, that's actually not the complete list of people who are considered martyrs. There's another hadith with 7 kinds of martyrs.

Are they authentic?

Read this:

"In some narrations they are seven, in some eight, in some nine and in some eleven. The authentic (position) as what came in Muslim is that they are five who are: (al-mat’un) who is the one who dies in the plague i.e. the famous pestilence, the (mabtun) who is the one with diarrhoea, the drowned person who dies because of water, the one who dies of (al-hadm) i.e. the collapsed building, and the one who dies in the way of raising the word of Allah outside the battlefield."

http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/20...ed-martyr.html

However, I will add more to the list:

There are FIVE martyrs of SHIA Islam -

Shahid Awwal
Shahid Thani
Shahid Salis
Shahid Rabay
Shahid Khamis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Martyrs_of_Shia_Islam

So finally, what is it really? Is Islam based on the number 99? Or 5? Enlighten us, the Muslims, please.

Islam is based on Pagan origins according to archaeological, historical, and scholarly references. The number 5 is included in the list of paganism as it is the number of the moon goddess.

It is but the continuation of the worship of BAAL/SATURN/MOON GODDESS without anyone's awareness.

For the number 99 and the play of the OPPOSITES on my other threads, it's still an on going quest. Kindly wait for the results. Thank you for your kind patience.

However, I am most disturbed why other scholars have shown that the name of Saturn is the Adversary (censored). I need to research more on this on why because according to the references, the Ka'ba is the temple of Saturn and the black stone is the emblem of Saturn.

If the Ka'ba is the temple of Saturn, somehow, there must be a resemblance somewhere in Mecca of the planet Saturn.

This is the planet Saturn with Rings:



The only resemblance of the planet I found is when Muslims go around the Ka'ba. They form concentrically or circularly around the Ka'ba (Temple of Saturn).




Just like the rings of Saturn. Interesting.


By the way, I've posted questions for you on July 25. 10 days have already expired. You seem to have avoided it.

Kindly answer the questions please. Thank you. Here's the link:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...2&postcount=44

[BossVic]

To avoid off-topic discussions on the thread "Who is the real Saviour" (LINK), I've created this thread to continue my discussion with the four Muslim residents here about the origins of the CRESCENT MOON and FIVE POINTED STAR symbol as shown below:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--fJVf8TVwu...esent+moon.jpg

We know this symbol as a common symbol of Islam as we often see this on top of Mosques and also inside Mecca:


http://madaniwallpaper.com/wallpaper...m-1024x768.jpg


Just like any typical company logo, we recognize a company by it's logo. When we see a popular logo like Apple, we know it belongs to a computer company and we associate anything with the company that has to do with the logo. When we see the Apple logo printed on a shirt, we know which company distributed it.

I've asked one of the Muslims here, namely Kosmos to give me the meaning of the CRESCENT MOON and FIVE POINTED STAR symbol. She gave me this link, and I quote:

"It emerged some time after that, and historians differ as to when this symbol was first adopted and who was the first to adopt it. Some say it was the Persians, others say it was the Greeks, and that this symbol was somehow passed to the Muslims. (See Al-Taraateeb al-Idaariyah by al-Kittaani, 1/320). It was said that the reason why the Muslims adopted the crescent was that when they conquered some western countries, the churches there had crosses on top of them, the Muslims replaced the crosses with these crescents, and the practice spread in this way. Whatever the case, symbols and banners must be in accordance with the teachings of Islam, and as there is no evidence that this symbol is prescribed by Islam, it is better not to use it. Neither the crescent nor the star are symbols of the Muslims, even though some Muslims may use them as symbols."

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/1528

The link Kosmos provided didn't give any direct meaning of the CRESCENT MOON and FIVE POINTED STAR symbol. The author himself is clueless. He even said it's better not to use it, but we still see this even today in Mecca.

Since they don't know the direct meaning of the symbol in question, a little research in Google will show you these:


This is a common symbol when invoking spirits of the Ouija Board.

http://theblackcatcloset.com/ebay/RO034.jpg


A common symbol of Witchcraft:

http://www.thewitchswart.com/thewitc...moonst_LRG.jpg



In fact, when you do a Google image, you'll see hundreds of links associating this symbol with witchcraft and these are not even Islamic sites:


GOOGLE IMAGE LINK


... continued

Pagano pala ang mga muslim, kaya pala.

[mylifeskucs]

Great work, ascorbicacid31!

you dug deep on this... and i only scratch the surface.
the most chilling is the representation of the Ka'aba to the planet saturn...

[pilotmarker]

This is a very interesting research by the TS. The research indicates that the worship of Baal and Ashtoreth as known in the Bible was survived today through Islam. It never really died. It borrowed some elements of the torah and the bible, re-edited the story and branded it as new. I'm sure when it was newly introduced to the pagan Arabs, they never saw it as "new" but embraced it as an added pagan doctrine with a new holy priest by the name of prophet Muhammad. The practices, symbols, idols and temples, remained intact as clearly shown by the references.

What is most intriguing of all is that the worship is focused upon the pagan deity "Saturn" a.k.a. "Baal" or "Moloch". Saturn is a merely a transitional name of Satan as indicated in the references. It is also intriguing that Islam was founded on 6th Century A.D., where the planet Saturn is the 6th planet of the solar system. Very interesting corelation and it is also a very interesting corelation where the worshippers circulate the ka'ba a.k.a. the temple of Saturn like concentric rings of the planet.

This is so strange.

[kulaifu]

interesting na thread.....

masustansya ang litanya ng ts at mga muslim dito...

keep it up...

[superlucky20]

Actually, all of the major religions today are based on pagan roots. They all had to derive something from somewhere.

[ebragais]

Nasaan ang iyong pagiisip sayang ang mga utak nyo......nasaan ang mga paningin nyo,,,pandinig nyo.......mukhang natuluyan na kawawang linikha hindi makaunawa ....mga tumiwalag sa rcc hinahamon ko kayo kung kayo nagsasabi ng totoo nasaan ang basihan nyo tulad ng qur'an at bibliya....nasaan labas nyoo......wag kayong magtago sa palda ng ibang mag libro.....yayabang nyo

[superlucky20]

Nasaan ang iyong pagiisip sayang ang mga utak nyo......nasaan ang mga paningin nyo,,,pandinig nyo.......mukhang natuluyan na kawawang linikha hindi makaunawa ....mga tumiwalag sa rcc hinahamon ko kayo kung kayo nagsasabi ng totoo nasaan ang basihan nyo tulad ng qur'an at bibliya....nasaan labas nyoo......wag kayong magtago sa palda ng ibang mag libro.....yayabang nyo

Nanghiram ang Islam katulad ng ibang relihiyon. Iyon ang totoo.

[ebragais]

Bading kaba ang lambot ng utak mo puro kasingungalingan paninira wala namang binatbat....

[superlucky20]

Bading kaba ang lambot ng utak mo puro kasingungalingan paninira wala namang binatbat....

Nanghiram talaga kayo, eng0t. Naghiram kayo ng sobra sa relihiyon ng mga Hudyo atsaka di pa nakontento, sa Kristyanismo. Hindi nga nanghiram, nagnakaw nga kayo e! Ninakaw nyo kwento nila at mga karakter ng libro nila tapos siningit nyo sa libro nyo tapos biglang nagyabang na kayo ang tunay na relihiyon. Wahahahahahaha! Kitang kita sa timestamp: una, Judaism; next, Christianity; next, Islam. At least ang Christianity may natural na link sa Judaism. E kayo? Arabo na biglaang inangkin ang wala silang kinalaman!

[pieno]

Allah is a Pagan God.

[RavlaM]

Different Muslim countries adopt different days of rest and work. Didn't you know? Are you even familiar with this? There's no standard. Goodness.

Read this:

" This is frequently made official, with many Muslim countries adopting Friday and Saturday (e.g. Egypt) or Thursday and Friday (e.g. Saudi Arabia) as official weekends during which offices are closed; other countries (e.g. Iran) choose to make Friday alone a day of rest, and still others (e.g. Morocco) adopt the Western Saturday-Sunday weekend and make Friday a working day."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar


The international standard will be used.

"Friday is the fifth day of the week according to the international standard ISO 8601."

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/friday.html

Friday or Frigga is the day of the moon goddess which follows after her number, which is the number 5, thus the 5th day.



You are Muslim and you don't know who on earth they are? Goodness.



"In the sura al-Haj, the name of Allah is repeated 5 times."

This info came from Islamic sources.

If you are doubtful and want to know more, kindly email them.

Tell me how it goes.



Today? Not enough input. Please elaborate more and specify your questions. Thank you.



Are they authentic?

Read this:

"In some narrations they are seven, in some eight, in some nine and in some eleven. The authentic (position) as what came in Muslim is that they are five who are: (al-mat’un) who is the one who dies in the plague i.e. the famous pestilence, the (mabtun) who is the one with diarrhoea, the drowned person who dies because of water, the one who dies of (al-hadm) i.e. the collapsed building, and the one who dies in the way of raising the word of Allah outside the battlefield."

http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/20...ed-martyr.html

However, I will add more to the list:

There are FIVE martyrs of SHIA Islam -

Shahid Awwal
Shahid Thani
Shahid Salis
Shahid Rabay
Shahid Khamis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Martyrs_of_Shia_Islam



Islam is based on Pagan origins according to archaeological, historical, and scholarly references. The number 5 is included in the list of paganism as it is the number of the moon goddess.

It is but the continuation of the worship of BAAL/SATURN/MOON GODDESS without anyone's awareness.

For the number 99 and the play of the OPPOSITES on my other threads, it's still an on going quest. Kindly wait for the results. Thank you for your kind patience.

However, I am most disturbed why other scholars have shown that the name of Saturn is the Adversary (censored). I need to research more on this on why because according to the references, the Ka'ba is the temple of Saturn and the black stone is the emblem of Saturn.

If the Ka'ba is the temple of Saturn, somehow, there must be a resemblance somewhere in Mecca of the planet Saturn.

This is the planet Saturn with Rings:

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...at_equinox.jpg

The only resemblance of the planet I found is when Muslims go around the Ka'ba. They form concentrically or circularly around the Ka'ba (Temple of Saturn).

http://bp3.blogger.com/_sW65ilskOC8/...osqueMecca.jpg


Just like the rings of Saturn. Interesting.


By the way, I've posted questions for you on July 25. 10 days have already expired. You seem to have avoided it.

Kindly answer the questions please. Thank you. Here's the link:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...2&postcount=44

May i add :

Rings, circles are the number 5 in arabic numerals..

[kos_mos]

First of, I'm pretty amazed that it's been almost a year that I had not checked PEx-ROT, evidently by not seeing this response as I had been busy with work and other activities that I had no time to check what has been going on here.

Different Muslim countries adopt different days of rest and work. Didn't you know? Are you even familiar with this? There's no standard. Goodness.

Read this:

" This is frequently made official, with many Muslim countries adopting Friday and Saturday (e.g. Egypt) or Thursday and Friday (e.g. Saudi Arabia) as official weekends during which offices are closed; other countries (e.g. Iran) choose to make Friday alone a day of rest, and still others (e.g. Morocco) adopt the Western Saturday-Sunday weekend and make Friday a working day."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar


The international standard will be used.

"Friday is the fifth day of the week according to the international standard ISO 8601."

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/friday.html

Friday or Frigga is the day of the moon goddess which follows after her number, which is the number 5, thus the 5th day.[/QUOTE]

Ok fine.. There's no point in saying that the week starts on Saturday for Muslims (even if most Islamic countries adopts that as Friday is prayer day which necessarily needs to be holiday) as you had pointed out other Muslim countries that do not apply the same.

However, I will use your kind of argument, do you want to use the Arabic names of the days in Arabic as basis as what is the first and last day of the week? Here goes:

As-Sabt = Sabbath/Saturday
Al-Ahad (Wahid) = One/Sunday
Al-Ithnain (Ithinain) = Two/Monday
At-Thulata (Thalatha) = Three/Tuesday
Al-Arbi'a (Arbaa) = Four/Wednesday
Al-Khamis (Khamsa) = Five/Thursday
Al-Jumu'a = The Gathering (as Muslims gather to pray)

Based on the names, it's obviously that Friday is certainly not the fifth day as Arabs consider it.

You are Muslim and you don't know who on earth they are? Goodness.

You can probably ask most Muslims and they won't know who on earth are those "The Hazrat Panjetan-e-Pak are the 5 purified holy personalities that together are the founding Islamic family." for I have never heard of them. But judging by the word "Hazrat" which is often heard among Shiites, I'd assume that's something Shia Muslim would know, so no, I do not who they are.

"In the sura al-Haj, the name of Allah is repeated 5 times."

This info came from Islamic sources.

If you are doubtful and want to know more, kindly email them.

Tell me how it goes.


Today? Not enough input. Please elaborate more and specify your questions. Thank you.

Again, my question remains "Ngayon?" short for "Ano ngayon?"

So the name of Allah was repeated five times in a Surah and another word was the beginning of five Surahs while we have 5 pillars of Islam, the question is Ano ngayon?

What does that even indicate? Kung sana in ALL chapters of the Qur'an the name of Allah was mentioned five times only, I would've given your assortment more weight, but gee man, that is just so random that it makes no sense and would only merit the response "Eh ano ngayon?"

Are they authentic?

Read this:

"In some narrations they are seven, in some eight, in some nine and in some eleven. The authentic (position) as what came in Muslim is that they are five who are: (al-mat’un) who is the one who dies in the plague i.e. the famous pestilence, the (mabtun) who is the one with diarrhoea, the drowned person who dies because of water, the one who dies of (al-hadm) i.e. the collapsed building, and the one who dies in the way of raising the word of Allah outside the battlefield."

http://islamicsystem.blogspot.com/20...ed-martyr.html

Yes, they are all authentic, and believe you me when I say.

However, I will add more to the list:

There are FIVE martyrs of SHIA Islam -

Shahid Awwal
Shahid Thani
Shahid Salis
Shahid Rabay
Shahid Khamis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Martyrs_of_Shia_Islam

Again with the new elements that I, a Muslim, have never ever heard of till now.

I've never heard of those five martyrs, and the words following each martyr (Awwal, thani, etc) actually mean 1st, 2nd, etc, but then that confirms it, you are citing Shiite Islam just like the case with the hazrat thing.

Islam is based on Pagan origins according to archaeological, historical, and scholarly references. The number 5 is included in the list of paganism as it is the number of the moon goddess.


It is but the continuation of the worship of BAAL/SATURN/MOON GODDESS without anyone's awareness.

For the number 99 and the play of the OPPOSITES on my other threads, it's still an on going quest. Kindly wait for the results. Thank you for your kind patience.

However, I am most disturbed why other scholars have shown that the name of Saturn is the Adversary (censored). I need to research more on this on why because according to the references, the Ka'ba is the temple of Saturn and the black stone is the emblem of Saturn.

If the Ka'ba is the temple of Saturn, somehow, there must be a resemblance somewhere in Mecca of the planet Saturn.

This is the planet Saturn with Rings:

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...at_equinox.jpg

The only resemblance of the planet I found is when Muslims go around the Ka'ba. They form concentrically or circularly around the Ka'ba (Temple of Saturn).

http://bp3.blogger.com/_sW65ilskOC8/...osqueMecca.jpg


Just like the rings of Saturn. Interesting.

Such big claims indeed. Unfortunately, I do not believe they merit any attention much less a response..

By the way, I've posted questions for you on July 25. 10 days have already expired. You seem to have avoided it.

You should've not assumed that I had 'avoided' it as I had been away for quite awhile. Anyway I'll check it when I have the time.

Kindly answer the questions please. Thank you. Here's the link:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...2&postcount=44[/QUOTE]

[kos_mos]

May i add :

Rings, circles are the number 5 in arabic numerals..

That is just absurd..

Just read this for further info.


Seriously.. you guys are fond of lumping anything and everything together just to form a theory. Five? 99? Ano ba talaga? Meh.