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  1. #1

    hamon ke ebragais!

    I will prove that the Quran is an offshoot of the Bible, at sa Tagalog. Kung ang English ko ay tiwarik, ano pa kaya un sa kanya? no offense meant. pwedi copy and paste as long as isasa-Tagalog ang sagot. at hindi segi, walang tutulong, kaming dalawa lang. laban o atras ha ebragais?

    saka maglatag ng panuntunan ng isang debate't wala akong alam dito.
    mga walang Diyos - kayo ang gumitna. hintayin ko sagot. hehehe.



    sarap nga sa ROT, free to express thyself! may inggit na inggit!
    hahaha! laban!

  2. #2
    parang naalala ko si dexter
    hamon ng hamon tapos sya unang unang tatakbo. wag ka tatakbo pingping

  3. #3
    ya salaam!
    "With great looks comes great responsibility"

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by gad_moon1 View Post
    parang naalala ko si dexter
    hamon ng hamon tapos sya unang unang tatakbo. wag ka tatakbo pingping
    si krams2 tropa mo - hindi nga nanakbo! ano naman ginawa? ayaw tumanggap ng sagot. wala lang, nag copy and paste na lang ng inquiry nya kahit nasagot na tanong nya. bakla ka ba? iisang tao kaya mo gamitin? bigyan mo nga ako ng bible verse na patalinhaga re: yang pagkahumaling mo ke retxed? bigyan kita gusto mo? shut up a moment, i want ebragrais and not you.

  5. #5
    segi, kapatid! huwag lang mag-base sa haka-haka! Hehe.

  6. #6
    asar pikon talo. nyahahaha. lashing ka na naman ba? basta, walang tatakbo

    at wag ka rin maghamon ng balian ng buto

  7. #7
    Uh bakit kailangan mo pa ng kadebate? Kung sa tingin mo yung prueba mo eh malakas, may pinagbasihan at nakatitindig mag-isa, i-post mo nalang. Di mo na kailangan patunayan o kumbinsihin ang isang tao. Tutal ipopost mo naman para makita ng lahat eh.

    Kung tutuusin, mas malaki ang probabilidad na kuyugin ka ng mga muslim kung ipopost mo nalang

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by stifbend View Post
    Uh bakit kailangan mo pa ng kadebate? Kung sa tingin mo yung prueba mo eh malakas, may pinagbasihan at nakatitindig mag-isa, i-post mo nalang. Di mo na kailangan patunayan o kumbinsihin ang isang tao. Tutal ipopost mo naman para makita ng lahat eh.

    Kung tutuusin, mas malaki ang probabilidad na kuyugin ka ng mga muslim kung ipopost mo nalang
    aba e walang basagan ng trip! e gusto kong kausapin si ebragais e, bakit ba? ikaw, ano ka ba? kuyugin ako ng mga Muslims dito, hehehe!

    do they know me?

    uulitin ko, I want ebragais! their Quran is an offshoot of the Bible! pero ke ebragais lang, malay ko sa ibang Muslims dito. gets?

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by stifbend View Post
    Uh bakit kailangan mo pa ng kadebate? Kung sa tingin mo yung prueba mo eh malakas, may pinagbasihan at nakatitindig mag-isa, i-post mo nalang. Di mo na kailangan patunayan o kumbinsihin ang isang tao. Tutal ipopost mo naman para makita ng lahat eh.

    Kung tutuusin, mas malaki ang probabilidad na kuyugin ka ng mga muslim kung ipopost mo nalang
    Naku brad isa lang ang katapat niyan, isang AL-BAIK....tulad nito.



    Diba retxed este pingping pala, sorry

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by banimalek View Post
    Naku brad isa lang ang katapat niyan, isang AL-BAIK....tulad nito.



    Diba retxed este pingping pala, sorry
    ano yan, suhol? nakatikim ako nyan 3 yrs ago during my brief stint sa Jeddah for 2 mos, in fairness masarap nga! so asan na si ebragais? ikaw gusto mo ako subukan? your Quran is an offshoot of the Bible, game?

  11. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by ping2x View Post
    I will prove that the Quran is an offshoot of the Bible, at sa Tagalog. Kung ang English ko ay tiwarik, ano pa kaya un sa kanya? no offense meant. pwedi copy and paste as long as isasa-Tagalog ang sagot. at hindi segi, walang tutulong, kaming dalawa lang. laban o atras ha ebragais?

    saka maglatag ng panuntunan ng isang debate't wala akong alam dito.
    mga walang Diyos - kayo ang gumitna. hintayin ko sagot. hehehe.



    sarap nga sa ROT, free to express thyself! may inggit na inggit!
    hahaha! laban!
    Naku powz.

    Paano naman magiging offshoot when they are from the same source?

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by ping2x View Post
    ano yan, suhol? nakatikim ako nyan 3 yrs ago during my brief stint sa Jeddah for 2 mos, in fairness masarap nga! so asan na si ebragais? ikaw gusto mo ako subukan? your Quran is an offshoot of the Bible, game?
    10 years ako sa saudi!! LOLs

  13. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by hisagi123 View Post
    10 years ako sa saudi!! LOLs
    Ang tigas naman ng itlog nyo, sabi ng hindi nga daw siya yan eh...

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by kos_mos View Post
    Naku powz.

    Paano naman magiging offshoot when they are from the same source?
    same source? sino nagsabi ikaw?

    now read...



    The Bible - it is a product of God, and His Word to man. It then is without error.
    When it appears an error or contradiction, the problem is in our interpretation or understanding of the verse or passage not the Scriptures. If the passage appears to be a contradiction then your course of action is to continue studying until you arrive at the correct interpretation where there is no contradiction. Many times arriving at the correct interpretation of a passage of Scripture will take careful of study.
    Another rule of interpreting the Bible is that we must consider the context of statement. For example Isaiah 22:13 says, "let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die." Is the Bible then teaching that we should live with abandon, drinking and eating, because we are going to die?" The answer is no! The context of the verse is that Isaiah was quoting the disobedient Judah and warning them of their sinful attitudes and of God's judgment. The context tells us that these are the foolish words of sinful Judah not the instruction of God. The context of the passage clearly establishes this and shows us we must consider the context of a passage in order to understand what it truly means.
    Now let's get back to James 2:24. Applying these rules of biblical interpretation we must accept that these passages of God's word do not contradict each other and we must do further study to understand what is in truth being said. Let us then read the passage in its context:
    James 2:
    14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
    19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
    22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
    23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
    24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
    James 2:14 begins a new paragraph and addresses the matter of those who say they have faith but their faith does not produce any fruit (works) in their lives. (V14) This shows the context or subject of the paragraph. Therefore the subject of this passage is bring attention to those who claim to be Christians, but do not live for the Lord. Their lives then produce no fruit which means God is not working in their lives. James says in verse
    14, "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" (James 2:14) Note that he defines the type of faith he is addressing by the statement "though a man "say" he hath faith." In other words this passage is addressed to the one who claims or says they have saving faith. James is showing that this is a feigned faith because it produces nothing in this person's life. I can say I am an airplane pilot, but one would rightly question my claim if I never flew airplanes. I might even get into the cockpit of a plane and play with the controls, but if I did not fly the plane my claim of being a pilot would certainly be suspect. So, James' last phrase "can faith save him" means can a pretended faith that has no effect on a person save them. The answer is obvious, no. Note what God says about the person who has true saving faith. "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17) James further clarifies the subject by his statement in verse 18, "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." He is certainly not saying that works saves, but salvation produces visible works. This is the key to interpreting the passage.
    To interpret the passage is simple. James is saying that if a person says they have true saving faith, their faith will produce works in their life. You will be able to see their faith in action. The justification spoken of here is not salvation, but justifying one calling himself a Christian and claiming to have saving faith when he is not living for the Lord. In other words a man who says he is saved and does not show any outward evidence of salvation then his salvation is in doubt because it produces no works or result in the man's life. The person who has saving faith and works is publicly justified in claiming to be have faith and be saved. His works show his faith. The one who has no works, whether he is saved or not, is not justified in outwardly saying he has saving faith, because his lack of works does not justify his claim.
    As shown in the verses we quoted above, overwhelmingly the Bible tells us that we are saved by faith alone apart from works. Romans 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
    Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
    John 3:15-16, 36 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
    James finishes the paragraph by saying "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" (James 2:26). Something that is dead is not alive and clearly God is saying that a person who, as a pattern of life, has no works does not appear to have saving faith. That is the point of this passage. This is certainly not teaching that a person must add works to faith to be saved. It is teaching the product of faith is works. James therefore is giving us the way of authenticating true saving faith. He is not teaching that salvation is faith plus works. He is giving us the justification for calling ourselves Christians.
    Correctly interpreting the passage we can clearly see there is no contradiction. If we properly understand the passage and see that it does not conflict with Ephesians 2:8-9, which says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God Not of works, lest any man should boast." Certainly, God could not have said it more plainly, "works do not save." Salvation is the gift of God and cannot be earned by works such as joining a church, baptism, doing sacraments, or some religious ritual.
    Salvation then is as God says....by faith in Jesus Christ alone. One cannot work for salvation or earn it. Only Jesus Christ is righteous and can save. Salvation which means paying our sin debt is something only He could do. No one can justify himself or add his works to the work of Christ and justify Himself. The following passage clearly proves this fact of doctrine. Salvation is by faith alone in the finished and complete atonement by Jesus Christ.
    "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus"(Romans 3:21-225).

    so asan same source mo? would you like to try me? the Quran is an offshoot of the Bible! pero teka puro lang verses from the Bible ha? it seems to me that you're a Muslim? very minimal alam ko sa Quranic verses, would you care to give links? taka lang ako, bakit mas kabisado ng mga kapatid mo Bibliya kesa saming mga Kristiyano?

    ebragais san ka na?

  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by kos_mos View Post
    Naku powz.

    Paano naman magiging offshoot when they are from the same source?
    thats just your assumption.


    both were made by different humans.

  16. Jul 23, 2011, 09:47 AM

  17. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by banimalek View Post
    Naku brad isa lang ang katapat niyan, isang AL-BAIK....tulad nito.



    Diba retxed este pingping pala, sorry
    Nyarap nyito nya!

  18. #17

    Copy Paste "daw"!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ping2x View Post
    same source? sino nagsabi ikaw?

    now read...



    The Bible - it is a product of God, and His Word to man. It then is without error.
    When it appears an error or contradiction, the problem is in our interpretation or understanding of the verse or passage not the Scriptures. If the passage appears to be a contradiction then your course of action is to continue studying until you arrive at the correct interpretation where there is no contradiction. Many times arriving at the correct interpretation of a passage of Scripture will take careful of study.
    Another rule of interpreting the Bible is that we must consider the context of statement. For example Isaiah 22:13 says, "let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die." Is the Bible then teaching that we should live with abandon, drinking and eating, because we are going to die?" The answer is no! The context of the verse is that Isaiah was quoting the disobedient Judah and warning them of their sinful attitudes and of God's judgment. The context tells us that these are the foolish words of sinful Judah not the instruction of God. The context of the passage clearly establishes this and shows us we must consider the context of a passage in order to understand what it truly means.
    Now let's get back to James 2:24. Applying these rules of biblical interpretation we must accept that these passages of God's word do not contradict each other and we must do further study to understand what is in truth being said. Let us then read the passage in its context:
    James 2:
    14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
    19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
    22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
    23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
    24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
    James 2:14 begins a new paragraph and addresses the matter of those who say they have faith but their faith does not produce any fruit (works) in their lives. (V14) This shows the context or subject of the paragraph. Therefore the subject of this passage is bring attention to those who claim to be Christians, but do not live for the Lord. Their lives then produce no fruit which means God is not working in their lives. James says in verse
    14, "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?" (James 2:14) Note that he defines the type of faith he is addressing by the statement "though a man "say" he hath faith." In other words this passage is addressed to the one who claims or says they have saving faith. James is showing that this is a feigned faith because it produces nothing in this person's life. I can say I am an airplane pilot, but one would rightly question my claim if I never flew airplanes. I might even get into the cockpit of a plane and play with the controls, but if I did not fly the plane my claim of being a pilot would certainly be suspect. So, James' last phrase "can faith save him" means can a pretended faith that has no effect on a person save them. The answer is obvious, no. Note what God says about the person who has true saving faith. "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17) James further clarifies the subject by his statement in verse 18, "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." He is certainly not saying that works saves, but salvation produces visible works. This is the key to interpreting the passage.
    To interpret the passage is simple. James is saying that if a person says they have true saving faith, their faith will produce works in their life. You will be able to see their faith in action. The justification spoken of here is not salvation, but justifying one calling himself a Christian and claiming to have saving faith when he is not living for the Lord. In other words a man who says he is saved and does not show any outward evidence of salvation then his salvation is in doubt because it produces no works or result in the man's life. The person who has saving faith and works is publicly justified in claiming to be have faith and be saved. His works show his faith. The one who has no works, whether he is saved or not, is not justified in outwardly saying he has saving faith, because his lack of works does not justify his claim.
    As shown in the verses we quoted above, overwhelmingly the Bible tells us that we are saved by faith alone apart from works. Romans 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight for by the law is the knowledge of sin."
    Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
    John 3:15-16, 36 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
    James finishes the paragraph by saying "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also" (James 2:26). Something that is dead is not alive and clearly God is saying that a person who, as a pattern of life, has no works does not appear to have saving faith. That is the point of this passage. This is certainly not teaching that a person must add works to faith to be saved. It is teaching the product of faith is works. James therefore is giving us the way of authenticating true saving faith. He is not teaching that salvation is faith plus works. He is giving us the justification for calling ourselves Christians.
    Correctly interpreting the passage we can clearly see there is no contradiction. If we properly understand the passage and see that it does not conflict with Ephesians 2:8-9, which says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God Not of works, lest any man should boast." Certainly, God could not have said it more plainly, "works do not save." Salvation is the gift of God and cannot be earned by works such as joining a church, baptism, doing sacraments, or some religious ritual.
    Salvation then is as God says....by faith in Jesus Christ alone. One cannot work for salvation or earn it. Only Jesus Christ is righteous and can save. Salvation which means paying our sin debt is something only He could do. No one can justify himself or add his works to the work of Christ and justify Himself. The following passage clearly proves this fact of doctrine. Salvation is by faith alone in the finished and complete atonement by Jesus Christ.
    "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus"(Romans 3:21-225).

    so asan same source mo? would you like to try me? the Quran is an offshoot of the Bible! pero teka puro lang verses from the Bible ha? it seems to me that you're a Muslim? very minimal alam ko sa Quranic verses, would you care to give links? taka lang ako, bakit mas kabisado ng mga kapatid mo Bibliya kesa saming mga Kristiyano?

    ebragais san ka na?
    kung ako makikipagtalakayan sa isang kapatid sinisiguro ko na maymatutunan ako sa kalaban ko, pero dahil sa mga post mo na nabasa, talo na ako kapatid hindi naman kasi tayo nagpapagalingan dito maging tutuo lang tayo sa lahat, sa mga mensahe natin....


    ngayon naiintindihan mo ba ang mga talata na ibinigay mo paki explain nga sa sarili mong paguunawa kung nagsasabi ka nga ng tutuo.

  19. #18
    may pahamon hamon pa to si koya dexter eh hindi naman tumatagal

    sa iba ka na lang maghamon like INUMAN sigurado koya panalo ka na

    uki payn po

  20. #19

    pwedi!

    Quote Originally Posted by krams2 View Post
    may pahamon hamon pa to si koya dexter eh hindi naman tumatagal

    sa iba ka na lang maghamon like INUMAN sigurado koya panalo ka na

    uki payn po
    oppsss!!! nahalata mo rin pala, anyway baka magbago pa!!ang lahat naman ay nagkakamali!!!!

  21. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by ebragais View Post
    oppsss!!! nahalata mo rin pala, anyway baka magbago pa!!ang lahat naman ay nagkakamali!!!!
    segi! sabi ni koya eh!

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