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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperOnyx View Post
    OT: I am a born and raised Catholic and I even finished a college degree in "The Catholic University of the Philippines", and yet I know that not everything that is written in the Bible is real, especially the Pentateuch since it was written after the time of King Solomon (more than 400 years after the death of Moses and possibly thousands of years after the events in Genesis). Biblical scholars and even our Catholic priests know this, and have accepted this, so much so that they actually teach it in Theology classes and seminary courses.

    In my opinion, and that's all that it is, knowing and accepting this fact doesn't make you a doubter. It is not a question of how faithful you are, but how knowledgeable you are about your faith.

    Now back to the topic.
    Well, I guess not EVERYTHING but MAJORITY is real. So, just let your FAITH be the basis of what you want to believe. I know that GOD simply has his own way of doing things right to make HIM known to us. BIBLE still is the basis of our FAITH so lets just live by it and follow our hearts desire. GOD will take care of the WISDOM.

  2. #62
    i would like to believe it is not a sin...I was born a Catholic, but i don't know if i still want to be one. God knows how much i tried to kill the gayness in me , for 20 years i have been denying myself of my God given freedom to live the life i love and to love the life that i secretly lived...and when the end comes and judgement day is served i would just ask God's forgiveness but I will never deny that i loved that person with all of me...

  3. #63
    no its not

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by G42677 View Post
    I guess he was just influenced by his environment or by the way he was brought up. I believe that being gay is not inborn.
    im sorry, no plans to contradict your beliefs.

    yes there are those who are born gay..
    even without society influence,
    maybe hard to believe for most people,

    I consider it this way..

    every child is born with a sin because we are all humans, and all humans sin. though innocent, the child will always have that one attitude that negates other's attitude, and it all depends with the child if he/she will keep that attitude, thinking it is not a sin, or try to change it knowing that it is a sin.

    and homosexuality is one of them.

  5. #65
    In
    PHL - Not a sin
    USA - Not a sin (except for Mormon Church)
    Africa - Death

  6. #66
    Question to the TS, if you have an asexual relationship with the same gender, do you still think it's a sin?

  7. #67
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    Question to the TS, if you have an asexual relationship with the same gender, do you still think it's a sin?
    No, if you don't consider the religious/social aspect.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperOnyx View Post
    Question to the TS, if you have an asexual relationship with the same gender, do you still think it's a sin?
    What do you mean asexual? If you mean relationship with the same sex, then it's definitely a sin.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by aizensosuke View Post
    i would like to believe it is not a sin...I was born a Catholic, but i don't know if i still want to be one. God knows how much i tried to kill the gayness in me , for 20 years i have been denying myself of my God given freedom to live the life i love and to love the life that i secretly lived...and when the end comes and judgement day is served i would just ask God's forgiveness but I will never deny that i loved that person with all of me...
    Hi! I understand how you feel friend. Just remember that God loves you no matter who and what you are. He saves us, right? That's how important you are with Jesus. I encourage you to be closer to HIM, friend. You may want to attend our Sunday service if you would like to. It starts with a deeper relationship with Jesus so that you can overcome. If you want, I can accompany you on Sunday. If you are familiar with CCF at the back of Megamall, that is where I attend to. 09157857177 my number. You can text me anytime, friend.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by may2 View Post
    It is a sin. Because God created man for a woman, and vice versa for pro-creation. But you can confess it through the Priest and ask for the penance.

    The Catholic Church gives service like counselling. You can opt to visit, to give you a good insight.

    Or you can read the bible on some verses like the Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Quote Originally Posted by G42677 View Post
    What do you mean asexual? If you mean relationship with the same sex, then it's definitely a sin.

    Are you saying it is okay for two people to have sex lustfully for as long as it is between a married man and woman, and that a relationship between two men who both yearn true, selfless love and companionship over lustful sex is sinful? Indeed, there are gay couples who are in a romantic relationship with sex being the least priority, who try not to have sex and there are some who don't have sex at all. I myself have been in such asexual relationship with a man for 2 years.

    By the way, the passages you mentioned only talk about lustful sex with most of them being about rape.

    Follow-up question, do you think it is not sinful for a gay man to marry a woman when he knows in himself that he only wants to be with men? I know gay men who got married and tried to live a straight life and they are unhappy. Do you not find that act as deceitful, and isn't deceit a sin?
    Last edited by SuperOnyx; Jul 8, 2011 at 12:32 AM.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperOnyx View Post
    Are you saying it is okay for two people to have sex lustfully for as long as it is between a married man and woman, and that a relationship between two men who both yearn true, selfless love and companionship over lustful sex is sinful? Indeed, there are gay couples who are in a romantic relationship with sex being the least priority, who try not to have sex and there are some who don't have sex at all. I myself have been in such asexual relationship with a man for 2 years.

    By the way, the passages you mentioned only talk about lustful sex with most of them being about rape.

    Follow-up question, do you think it is not sinful for a gay man to marry a woman when he knows in himself that he only wants to be with men? I know gay men who got married and tried to live a straight life and they are unhappy. Do you not find that act as deceitful, and isn't deceit a sin?
    You need to understand that sex is not a sin unless practice in a wrong way. Sex between couples are not considered lust for they are part of the marriage life for pro-creation. That is the sole purpose of sex. Sex can only be considered lust if they are practice outside marriage and between same sex.

    For your second question, if you know by yourself that you are attracted to the same sex, you ought not to marry. God also mention that there are certain people who are destined to be single and there's nothing wrong with being single. But if in your heart you really want to marry a girl, then you need to pray first that God will give you the desires of your heart. If God willing, He will definitely give you a wife that will accept and love you for who you are. God will make a way for the marriage life to work out. Always learn to seek God first in everything you do so that you may not stumble.

    Another thing, if you decide to marry make sure that you love the person. This love will conquer all including your weaknesses.

  12. #72
    Genesis 1:27 & 28: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, ..."

    Moses recorded God as saying that he created Adam and Eve in his own image as "male and female." Having created them capable of procreation, God blessed them and commanded them to be fruitful and multiply. There is obviously a limit to the number of children that Eve could give birth to. One might safely assume that God's instruction to Adam and Eve were also binding to their children, grandchildren, even down to the present generation. Thus, God intended each human to pair up with a member of the opposite sex, and to procreate. There is no room in God's plan for same-sex marriage or sex between the two.

  13. #73
    i wonder...how come i was raised by my family and was merely told to respect every religion created and will be created on earth..

    but how come this people just wouldnt respect other people's belief as well and would encourage you, let alone insist theirs under your nose..

    i still say homosexuality is not a sin.

  14. #74
    well according to the holy bible it is a sin.
    but homosexuality is not a choice, you acquire it in birth.
    you are basically a woman inside a man's body.

    if there is such thing as a "loving God", he wont make you
    this way and forbid it.

    but dont worry my friend, there is no such thing as a God.
    and you should stop worrying bout going to hell because
    thats a myth too. just live your life to the fullest! be a good
    person and dont let **** get in your way.

    btw im straight and an atheist

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by ladyboy View Post
    no its not

    obvious naman sa nick mo eh

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  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by ultimatejourney View Post
    well according to the holy bible it is a sin.
    but homosexuality is not a choice, you acquire it in birth.
    you are basically a woman inside a man's body.

    if there is such thing as a "loving God", he wont make you
    this way and forbid it.

    but dont worry my friend, there is no such thing as a God.
    and you should stop worrying bout going to hell because
    thats a myth too. just live your life to the fullest! be a good
    person and dont let **** get in your way.

    btw im straight and an atheist
    I don't think it's acquired. But I respect your own opinion. Let's just say that we all have risks to take. And I am taking on the risk to believe that there is a God who loves me and who created all of us. Let's just hope that in the end, one of us will not regret this risk we have chosen. As for me, I chose to believe because I experience His love within 34 years of my existence.

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by ultimatejourney View Post
    well according to the holy bible it is a sin.
    but homosexuality is not a choice, you acquire it in birth.
    you are basically a woman inside a man's body.

    if there is such thing as a "loving God", he wont make you
    this way and forbid it.

    but dont worry my friend, there is no such thing as a God.
    and you should stop worrying bout going to hell because
    thats a myth too. just live your life to the fullest! be a good
    person and dont let **** get in your way.

    btw im straight and an atheist
    Let's just say we don't believe in God. Of course there will be no standards between good and evil. What do you think will happen? No restrictions, no do's and dont's. Just live your life the way you want it. I can 't even imagine what the world can become without God.

  18. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by batman03 View Post
    i wonder...how come i was raised by my family and was merely told to respect every religion created and will be created on earth..

    but how come this people just wouldnt respect other people's belief as well and would encourage you, let alone insist theirs under your nose..

    i still say homosexuality is not a sin.
    I respect each belief my friend. I just want to express my own opinion on everything. No offense.

  19. #79
    hi G42677!

    ask ko lang - i dont mean no harm...

    are you straight? girl or boy?

    btw im a christian too, i sometimes attend ccf...

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by G42677 View Post
    I don't think it's acquired. But I respect your own opinion. Let's just say that we all have risks to take. And I am taking on the risk to believe that there is a God who loves me and who created all of us. Let's just hope that in the end, one of us will not regret this risk we have chosen. As for me, I chose to believe because I experience His love within 34 years of my existence.

    huwag mo na lang masyado pagpapapansinin yang si vice ganda


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