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  1. #41
    ^^^Homosexuality is a sin. Because the person prefers same sex relationship. Attraction can be consider as a crush. Though, when you find yourself entertaining thoughts about same sex relationship and having a relationship, that is homosexuality. It is considered immoral. Because when the person accepts his/her gender, he/she should live to it. That is your natural right as a person.

    And Ts, as to faith, faith demands sacrifice. Now, i am asking in the future, Will you consider yourself marrying an opposite sex?

  2. #42
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    all you homos will burn in hell

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by xBigoteAtBalbasx View Post
    all you homos will burn in hell
    maka BURN ka naman te, super wagas? ikaw kaya sunugin ko?

  4. #44
    Bakit ba ako hina-highblood sa thread na 'to?!
    Kawawa naman mga friends kong jading...haaaaaay!

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreyislove View Post
    You're just sugar coating it. The fact that you are attracted in some way to the same sex and that you're a homo makes you a "sinner" at least for your point of view nga kasi ikaw lang naman nagsasabi na kasalanan maging homo.
    Please read the thread above and below and make sure that I am the only one who says it's a sin. Well, it seems that you can't even defend you're side because you only gave your opinion based on the things you want to believe and not on what the Bible says. Don't be upset. I respect you because you are entitled to your own belief. God Bless!!!

  6. #46
    ^Honey, can I ask you as question?, but puhleeeze don't take it against me.

    I don't mean to question your belief but I'm just sooo curious. How certain are you that eeeeeeverything that's written in the bible are nothing but the truth?

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by G42677 View Post
    Please read the thread above and below and make sure that I am the only one who says it's a sin. Well, it seems that you can't even defend you're side because you only gave your opinion based on the things you want to believe and not on what the Bible says. Don't be upset. I respect you because you are entitled to your own belief. God Bless!!!
    I was saying it in response to your case and your case alone. Kasi you said you're "homo" pero you just don't act it out cause you think it's a sin cause its written in the Bible. Pero the fact that you know its a sin and yet you consider yourself a homo, makes you indeed a sinner. You just don't act it out, but deep inside you're like a cell with Na+ accumulation that's swelling and wanna burst out already. I can feel you from afar. Gaydar ba? Haha!
    Parang Freud's Iceberg Theory, Yung naka litaw lang *** alam mo, yung "conscious" state. Pero hindi mo alam na mas malaki pala yung naka submerged sa ilalim which is the "unconscious" state. Akala mo lang ganyan ka lang, but the truth is, unconsciously, there are things going on in your mind that you dont even wanna know
    I respect your personality and your beliefs when it comes to Religion because were of the same Faith here and I love God. I'm not upset, I'm just saying that the things you say, well in my opinion, don't go with each other and has no consistency. Mas magulo pa sa sexuality ko. HAHAHA!


  8. #48
    Hello, pwede po bang may magquote sa kin kung ano yung exact book or chapter or verse sa bible na nagsasabi na sin ang homosexuality?

    And medyo naguluhan na ako sa pagbabasa ng thread, so ibig sabihin ok lang na ma-attract sa same sex, pero don't act upon it? Anu yun, parang secret crush lang?

    And sorry pero di ba sabi sa bible na kahit anong mangyari love naman tayo ni God? So ibig sabihin ba nun, parang yung pag-engage sa homosexual acts ay expressly pinagbawal sa bible like yung mga ten commandments? Thanks!

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by hail777 View Post
    Hello, pwede po bang may magquote sa kin kung ano yung exact book or chapter or verse sa bible na nagsasabi na sin ang homosexuality?
    Leviticus 18:22 ; Leviticus 20:13 ; Genesis 19: 1-14 The Story of Sodom but try to read din yung sinabi sa Ezekiel 16: 49-50 (yun yung reason why God destroyed Sodom. The Bible was made in an intricate way and we may perceive it differently. Depende yan how one will understand it and varies on one's maturity level. Read between the lines, kung baga.

    Quote Originally Posted by hail777 View Post
    And medyo naguluhan na ako sa pagbabasa ng thread, so ibig sabihin ok lang na ma-attract sa same sex, pero don't act upon it? Anu yun, parang secret crush lang?
    Yes, the sexual act is the one that's abominable. Pero diba, sabi ni God, we should not think ill of our neighbor? Since some people think that homosexuality is a sin, therefore the thought alone makes a homosexual a sinner whether he practices the act or not. Simple logic. May stain na din ng homosexuality yung utak e. Nagpipigil lang.

    Quote Originally Posted by hail777 View Post
    And sorry pero di ba sabi sa bible na kahit anong mangyari love naman tayo ni God? So ibig sabihin ba nun, parang yung pag-engage sa homosexual acts ay expressly pinagbawal sa bible like yung mga ten commandments? Thanks!
    And yes! God loves us, kahit anong mangyari! Bawal talaga yung acts, nasa bible talaga yun. Kaya lang, come to think of this.. Pag tumigil ka ba dun masasabi mo na willing ka and wholeheartedly mong gagawin yung decision na yun, at hindi ka na makaka commit ng kahit anong sin? Magiging PURE ka na forever? Wala namang perfect na eing kungdi si GOD lang eh. Siya lang ang without sin, siya lang ang Perfect. Kaya kahit anong pilit ang gawin natin, magkakasala at magkakasala pa din tayo, lalo na yung mga in denial, sila pala yung madaming tinatago. Nasa loob kasi kulo ng mga ganyan.
    God is a loving and forgiving God. Yung FAITH natin ang mahalaga. Pwedeng sabihin ng tao na nag sserve siya kay God, pero yung way of living naman niya, messed up in the sense na madaming inconsistencies na nagcocontest sa faith na yun e wala din. Sana ma gets mo. Haha!


  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreyislove View Post
    Leviticus 18:22 ; Leviticus 20:13 ; Genesis 19: 1-14 The Story of Sodom but try to read din yung sinabi sa Ezekiel 16: 49-50 (yun yung reason why God destroyed Sodom. The Bible was made in an intricate way and we may perceive it differently. Depende yan how one will understand it and varies on one's maturity level. Read between the lines, kung baga.
    Paki-paskel iyong passage sa Bible na nagsasaad na HOMOSEXUALITY ang dahilan kung bakit sinira ang Sodom.

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    my_2_cents

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreyislove View Post
    I was saying it in response to your case and your case alone. Kasi you said you're "homo" pero you just don't act it out cause you think it's a sin cause its written in the Bible. Pero the fact that you know its a sin and yet you consider yourself a homo, makes you indeed a sinner. You just don't act it out, but deep inside you're like a cell with Na+ accumulation that's swelling and wanna burst out already. I can feel you from afar. Gaydar ba? Haha!
    Parang Freud's Iceberg Theory, Yung naka litaw lang *** alam mo, yung "conscious" state. Pero hindi mo alam na mas malaki pala yung naka submerged sa ilalim which is the "unconscious" state. Akala mo lang ganyan ka lang, but the truth is, unconsciously, there are things going on in your mind that you dont even wanna know
    I respect your personality and your beliefs when it comes to Religion because were of the same Faith here and I love God. I'm not upset, I'm just saying that the things you say, well in my opinion, don't go with each other and has no consistency. Mas magulo pa sa sexuality ko. HAHAHA!

    I consider myself a homo because of the attraction but not a sinner because homosexuality for me can only be considered a sin if and if you acted or engage yourself on that attraction. Just like if in case you are a straight guy who happens to be married. However, you are attracted to another woman and are tempted to have a secret relationship apart from your wife. If you entertain that kind of attraction, that will only be the time that you will commit adultery and adultery is a sin. In my case, it's the attraction that tempts me to sin. So the same goes. Okay!!! Well maybe because I said on the first part of my thread that I myself am a homosexual that confuses you. Well, I guess my question should be how do you consider homosexual a sin? Would that be more clear? And regarding the Freud's theory thing you have mentioned, well, it has a point, the conscious and unconscious thing. That has a certain truth. As a christian, we don't really rely on the basic truth about man. Since the Bible says that we humans by nature are sinners. That is why God gave us the free will to choose whether you live by that nature or you resist that nature by the strength coming from God. Well, you said that you love God, then why are you so defensive with the truth from the Bible then. In your case the unconscious thing would be you don't realize you are being self centered and wants to do what pleases yourself.
    Last edited by G42677; Jul 4, 2011 at 03:36 PM.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by aubreyislove View Post
    Leviticus 18:22 ; Leviticus 20:13 ; Genesis 19: 1-14 The Story of Sodom but try to read din yung sinabi sa Ezekiel 16: 49-50 (yun yung reason why God destroyed Sodom. The Bible was made in an intricate way and we may perceive it differently. Depende yan how one will understand it and varies on one's maturity level. Read between the lines, kung baga.



    Yes, the sexual act is the one that's abominable. Pero diba, sabi ni God, we should not think ill of our neighbor? Since some people think that homosexuality is a sin, therefore the thought alone makes a homosexual a sinner whether he practices the act or not. Simple logic. May stain na din ng homosexuality yung utak e. Nagpipigil lang.



    And yes! God loves us, kahit anong mangyari! Bawal talaga yung acts, nasa bible talaga yun. Kaya lang, come to think of this.. Pag tumigil ka ba dun masasabi mo na willing ka and wholeheartedly mong gagawin yung decision na yun, at hindi ka na makaka commit ng kahit anong sin? Magiging PURE ka na forever? Wala namang perfect na eing kungdi si GOD lang eh. Siya lang ang without sin, siya lang ang Perfect. Kaya kahit anong pilit ang gawin natin, magkakasala at magkakasala pa din tayo, lalo na yung mga in denial, sila pala yung madaming tinatago. Nasa loob kasi kulo ng mga ganyan.
    God is a loving and forgiving God. Yung FAITH natin ang mahalaga. Pwedeng sabihin ng tao na nag sserve siya kay God, pero yung way of living naman niya, messed up in the sense na madaming inconsistencies na nagcocontest sa faith na yun e wala din. Sana ma gets mo. Haha!

    If you love GOD, you will do your best to obey HIS word. Homosexual act is the sin, and not the attraction. Wala talagang taong perpekto. Hindi naman sinabi na kapag hindi mo ina act out yun eh magiging pure kana. Ang point dito is, you need to realize that homosexual act is a sin para maging conscious ka na hindi dapat ginagawa ng isang LALAKE ang ganung mga bagay. That way, God is intervening para kahit nandyan ang attraction, He can give you a way out or somewhat strengthen you. Ksi kung iisipin mo na okay lang ang homosexuality tutal lahat naman nagkakasala, then parang tinanggap mo na rin na wala kang pag asa and you are bound to sin and will die as a sinner and will go to hell. Kaya nga meron tayong free will. It's either you choose to accept who you are or you choose to serve God as best as you can. You may stumble or fall into temptation, pero as long as you are certain that you HOMOSEXUALITY is a sin and are ready to repent, dun papasok ang PAG IBIG NG DIYOS. Alam naman nya na hin di mo gusto yung ginawa mo. Pero kung ikaw yung tao na pinagpipilitan mo na walang masama sa ginagawa mo, do you thiunk pakikinggan ka ng DIYOS. Parang mas marunong kapa sa kanya.
    Last edited by G42677; Jul 4, 2011 at 10:51 AM.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by hail777 View Post
    Hello, pwede po bang may magquote sa kin kung ano yung exact book or chapter or verse sa bible na nagsasabi na sin ang homosexuality?

    And medyo naguluhan na ako sa pagbabasa ng thread, so ibig sabihin ok lang na ma-attract sa same sex, pero don't act upon it? Anu yun, parang secret crush lang?

    And sorry pero di ba sabi sa bible na kahit anong mangyari love naman tayo ni God? So ibig sabihin ba nun, parang yung pag-engage sa homosexual acts ay expressly pinagbawal sa bible like yung mga ten commandments? Thanks!
    If you love GOD, you will do your best to obey HIS word. Homosexual act is the sin, and not the attraction. Wala talagang taong perpekto. Hindi naman sinabi na kapag hindi mo ina act out yun eh magiging pure kana. Ang point dito is, you need to realize that homosexual act is a sin para maging conscious ka na hindi dapat ginagawa ng isang LALAKE ang ganung mga bagay. That way, God is intervening para kahit nandyan ang attraction, He can give you a way out or somewhat strengthen you. Ksi kung iisipin mo na okay lang ang homosexuality tutal lahat naman nagkakasala, then parang tinanggap mo na rin na wala kang pag asa and you are bound to sin and will die as a sinner and will go to hell. Kaya nga meron tayong free will. It's either you choose to accept who you are or you choose to serve God as best as you can. You may stumble or fall into temptation, pero as long as you are certain that HOMOSEXUALITY is a sin and are ready to repent, dun papasok ang PAG IBIG NG DIYOS. Alam naman nya na hindi mo gusto yung ginawa mo. Pero kung ikaw yung tao na pinagpipilitan mo na walang masama sa ginagawa mo, do you think pakikinggan ka ng DIYOS. Parang mas marunong kapa sa kanya. Bro, mahal ka ng Diyos. Kahit ano kapa. Sana mahalin mo rin sya ng tulad ng pag mamahal na binibigay nya sayo. How? Ikaw lang ang makakasagot nyan. Love you friend!!!!

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by barelythere View Post
    ^Honey, can I ask you as question?, but puhleeeze don't take it against me.

    I don't mean to question your belief but I'm just sooo curious. How certain are you that eeeeeeverything that's written in the bible are nothing but the truth?
    Well I guess that is the only book that reveals the existence of a living GOD, that is why I believe that the BIBLE holds the truth. FAITH in GOD is what makes me certain about it. Parang ibang religion, they believe in a certain GOD that is why they believe in a certain book who reveals their GOD.

  15. #55
    Yeah yeah WHATEVER.....................

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by may2 View Post
    ^^^Homosexuality is a sin. Because the person prefers same sex relationship. Attraction can be consider as a crush. Though, when you find yourself entertaining thoughts about same sex relationship and having a relationship, that is homosexuality. It is considered immoral. Because when the person accepts his/her gender, he/she should live to it. That is your natural right as a person.

    And Ts, as to faith, faith demands sacrifice. Now, i am asking in the future, Will you consider yourself marrying an opposite sex?
    Yes, if God willing. Besides, I am created for a woman, not for a man...

  17. #57
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

    Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

    Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

    Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (NIV)

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by xBigoteAtBalbasx View Post
    all you homos will burn in hell
    God loves them bro. Let's just pray for them and not condemn.

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by my_2_cents View Post
    Paki-paskel iyong passage sa Bible na nagsasaad na HOMOSEXUALITY ang dahilan kung bakit sinira ang Sodom.

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    my_2_cents
    The biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah is recorded in Genesis chapters 18-19. Genesis chapter 18 records the Lord and two angels coming to speak with Abraham. The Lord informed Abraham that "the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous." Verses 22-33 record Abraham pleading with the Lord to have mercy on Sodom and Gomorrah because Abraham's nephew, Lot, and his family lived in Sodom.

    Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities..."

    In light of the passage, the most common response to the question "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?" is that it was homosexuality. That is how the term "sodomy" came to be used to refer to anal sex between two men, whether consensual or forced. Clearly, homosexuality was part of why God destroyed the two cities. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to perform homosexual gang rape on the two angels (who were disguised as men). At the same time, it is not biblical to say that homosexuality was the exclusive reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were definitely not exclusive in terms of the sins in which they indulged.

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..." The Hebrew word translated "detestable" refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an "abomination." Similarly, Jude 7 declares, "...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.

    Those who attempt to explain away the biblical condemnations of homosexuality claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were certainly being inhospitable. There is probably nothing more inhospitable than homosexual gang rape. But to say God completely destroyed two cities and all their inhabitants for being inhospitable clearly misses the point. While Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many other horrendous sins, homosexuality was the reason God poured fiery sulfur on the cities, completely destroying them and all of their inhabitants. To this day, the area where Sodom and Gomorrah were located remains a desolate wasteland. Sodom and Gomorrah serve as a powerful example of how God feels about sin in general, and homosexuality specifically.

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by barelythere View Post
    ^Honey, can I ask you as question?, but puhleeeze don't take it against me.

    I don't mean to question your belief but I'm just sooo curious. How certain are you that eeeeeeverything that's written in the bible are nothing but the truth?

    OT: I am a born and raised Catholic and I even finished a college degree in "The Catholic University of the Philippines", and yet I know that not everything that is written in the Bible is real, especially the Pentateuch since it was written after the time of King Solomon (more than 400 years after the death of Moses and possibly thousands of years after the events in Genesis). Biblical scholars and even our Catholic priests know this, and have accepted this, so much so that they actually teach it in Theology classes and seminary courses.

    In my opinion, and that's all that it is, knowing and accepting this fact doesn't make you a doubter. It is not a question of how faithful you are, but how knowledgeable you are about your faith.

    Now back to the topic.

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