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    Quote Originally Posted by Marianna_Ulap View Post
    I don't know yet. I'm still open to ideas. The sources on how the Bible was made did not give enough information on whether it's inspired by God or man. But I don't want to believe in a god of judgement. It creates fear.
    What you think is true is what matters. Not what you want. Wanting it doesn't make it true. If God is a god of judgement there's really nothing you can do about it.

    Regarding fear, why are you against it? You make the wrong decisions, you should fear the outcome. That's the rule we abide by everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonton View Post
    What you think is true is what matters. Not what you want. Wanting it doesn't make it true. If God is a god of judgement there's really nothing you can do about it.


    But don't you think that our thoughts could possibly come from our "wants". Before we process an information, we choose which ones we want to take. We choose which infos we want to digest. Choices are what we want to consider.

    Wanting it doesn't make it true. I see your point. But consider what I said. Example: There's an apple. It is red, it gives a smell, it is round. I look at it, and see that it's red. I don't take in the consideration that it is round or it gives a smell, I just take in the info that it is red. We disregard the others. We choose what infos we want to take. Be it consciously or unconsciously. And choices are what we want to consider

    God is still a theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonton View Post
    What you think is true is what matters. Not what you want. Wanting it doesn't make it true. If God is a god of judgement there's really nothing you can do about it.

    Regarding fear, why are you against it? You make the wrong decisions, you should fear the outcome. That's the rule we abide by everyday.
    Fear is beneficial in some ways. We don't jump off a cliff and die because we fear. But too much fear is what I dislike. If it cripples me from a decent living, then the circumstances that will instigate it needs to be avoided.

    About the wrong decisions, my opinion is, there's nothing wrong with making wrong decisions as long as you learn from them. It's not that we "have" to fear the outcome, it's that we learn from it. The lesson is what's important, so why the need to fear? I really don't like fear if it is harmful for me. And in the first place, if I know that it's a wrong decision, then I should prepare myself for its outcome, not necessarily "fear" it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marianna_Ulap View Post
    Fear is beneficial in some ways. We don't jump off a cliff and die because we fear. But too much fear is what I dislike. If it cripples me from a decent living, then the circumstances that will instigate it needs to be avoided.

    About the wrong decisions, my opinion is, there's nothing wrong with making wrong decisions as long as you learn from them. It's not that we "have" to fear the outcome, it's that we learn from it. The lesson is what's important, so why the need to fear? I really don't like fear if it is harmful for me. And in the first place, if I know that it's a wrong decision, then I should prepare myself for its outcome, not necessarily "fear" it.
    Admit it, everyday we fear something. Though it is a strong word to use for everyday things, that's what guides us everyday that you don't even notice it anymore. No matter how prepared you are, you still fear death. You can't prepare yourself of the unknown. You fear the death of your loved ones or of your own. That's our instinct. If you didn't have fear, you'd be dead a long time ago.

    What if you find out that there is a God and of fear at that, can you do something about it? Nothing. You can't do something about the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marianna_Ulap View Post
    But don't you think that our thoughts could possibly come from our "wants". Before we process an information, we choose which ones we want to take. We choose which infos we want to digest. Choices are what we want to consider.

    Wanting it doesn't make it true. I see your point. But consider what I said. Example: There's an apple. It is red, it gives a smell, it is round. I look at it, and see that it's red. I don't take in the consideration that it is round or it gives a smell, I just take in the info that it is red. We disregard the others. We choose what infos we want to take. Be it consciously or unconsciously. And choices are what we want to consider

    God is still a theory.
    That's why I said, "What YOU think is true is what matters."

    And make an effort to not disregard other facts if you see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonton View Post
    Admit it, everyday we fear something. Though it is a strong word to use for everyday things, that's what guides us everyday that you don't even notice it anymore. No matter how prepared you are, you still fear death. You can't prepare yourself of the unknown. You fear the death of your loved ones or of your own. That's our instinct. If you didn't have fear, you'd be dead a long time ago.

    What if you find out that there is a God and of fear at that, can you do something about it? Nothing. You can't do something about the truth.
    We are arguing in circles. I agree with you. We fear something everyday, sometimes without being aware of it. I also agree that fear guides us everyday.

    Knowing or being aware of something should not to be mistaken as fear. When I see a container of muriatic acid, I know it's harmful for me so I don't drink it. I do not necessarily do that out of fear.

    About the fear of death, you're arguing with the wrong person. Fear of death, again you can't say that for everyone. Me personally, I am not scared of death. When a loved one dies, I don't get affected emotionally, because I accept death. It's part of life's cycle.

    Everyone dies eventually. Why must I fear something that is an everyday occurence. It's part of life, as of yet. Maybe we'll discover immortality but I feel that is still far down the road.

    I am scared of pain, though. The fear to feel pain applies personally to me, but I can't say that for everyone, right? Some people are not scared of being in pain.

    Fear of the unknown or fear of not knowing what could happen next. That kind of fear is rooted in "not knowing", which means ignorance. Ignorance should not be taken as a bad word. It just means a state of not knowing. That can be managed. If you fear some unknown thing, why not seek to learn about that? In that way, you can understand it, which would dispel your fear. If it is something you CAN'T know, why would you fear it? For example, in what they say, "Life after physical death." Life in either heaven or hell. You don't know if you're going to heaven or hell. Why would I fear something I have no control over? If God says, "You're going to hell, Marianna_Ulap." Then I will be disappointed in him. I trusted Him, I believed in Him.

    Fear is not something that should control you. Fear is something that you must control. Fear can be good, fear can be bad. The fear of the unknown, that is a bad form of fear, because we believe that the unknown is beyond our control. But you can learn to manage that fear. You can even dispel it.

    What if I find out that the Christian God is the only real God. Then there's I can do about that. I will live in fear all the days of my life. But Him being the truth, is still unknown, for me anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonton View Post
    That's why I said, "What YOU think is true is what matters."

    And make an effort to not disregard other facts if you see them.
    Thats why you said what you think is true is what matters. Then you made a point. That's good.

    Make an effort to not disregard other facts if you see them, that's an advice worth considering.

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