Wag kayo magpapaniwala sa mga katolikong pari!

[Kent_210]

I am inviting you to post these same things at RoT.....you would be surprised that all of those things you have mentioned had already been explained countless times......

Summary please.......

[fil2007]

the philippines should really be more inclusive and not just accept catholicism as its state religion.

[Ryuuji]

@fil2007
Actually, the state does not have any religion. It should not have any.
The state cannot promote any religion, nasa constitution yan. It's just that majority of its citizens are RC kaya medyo may influence ang mga Catholics generally.

[fil2007]

@fil2007
Actually, the state does not have any religion. It should not have any.
The state cannot promote any religion, nasa constitution yan. It's just that majority of its citizens are RC kaya medyo may influence ang mga Catholics generally.

still doesn't hide the fact that the government tries to follow the doctrines of the church and if they don't the bishops like to threaten the government by civil disobedience or not voting for a particular politician........it's there yes but the implementation is non-existent in my opinion...it seems the that the church in pinas is more catholic than the vatican itself.

[fil2007]

even Spain who brought catholicism to the philippines and are still catholic in majority already have divorce, and the government there supports and promotes artificial contraception yet I don't see the catholic church there excomunicating anybody.

[Ryuuji]

@fil2007
My point exactly.
How are we different from Italian Catholics whose country has passed population control measures? The problem in this country is that the line separating the church and the state seems non-existent at all.

I remember the CBCP calling not to support FVR during his campaign for the presidency because he was a Protestant. WTF!

[fil2007]

@fil2007
My point exactly.
How are we different from Italian Catholics whose country has passed population control measures? The problem in this country is that the line separating the church and the state seems non-existent at all.

I remember the CBCP calling not to support FVR during his campaign for the presidency because he was a Protestant. WTF!

I remember that too bro!!! also I like it when then DOH secretary Juan Flavier was active in trying to promote contraception whether it be natural/artificial!!

[fil2007]

the vatican/catholic church hasn't excomunicated majority of the people in countries like Mexico, Italy(where the vatican is located) Spain, Brazil, USA, France and other countries where there are alot of catholic majority and you guys know why? kung gagawin nila yan di sila rin ang malalagasan nang mga followers.

[fil2007]

@fil2007
My point exactly.
How are we different from Italian Catholics whose country has passed population control measures? The problem in this country is that the line separating the church and the state seems non-existent at all.

I remember the CBCP calling not to support FVR during his campaign for the presidency because he was a Protestant. WTF!

goes to show how much of a third world politics we have in our country!

[icefrog]

you can criticize them pero hind mo sila kailangan igeneralize yung mga pari. i just said that kasi kung feeling niyo iniipit kayo sa choice niyo then go outside for a while. there's no reason to stay if you are already against them.

Ako? Nag generalize? Di ba I was just pertaining to what this particular priest did at hindi naman lahat at pati na rin yung lang naman mga nagsasabi na leave the Church?

No reason to stay in the Catholic Church if you are against them?

HOY!! SINO KA BA PARA SABIHIN YAN SA AMIN!! OO!! SUMISIGAW AKO KAYA ALL CAPS!!

Ngayon sino nag gegeneralize!!!?? Sino ka para sabihin sa kapwa mo Katoliko na umalis na lang!? Kayo nga itong nag ggeneralize at passing judgment pa.

Did you even consider na baka, BAKA lang at kayo yung mali?? May narinig ka ba sa mga pro RH na kayo yung umalis??

Just to let you know, meron din mga pari hindi sang ayun sa ginawa nya, esp. at sinabi nya mga comments na yun during holy mass. May pari din di sang ayun sa proposal ng pag ban ng selling of condoms sa Ayala Alabang village. Lantaran pa nga nya sinabi yun in front of the TV. Meron din mga pari at madre na pro RH (syempre with no abortion) bill na patago lang kasi takot.

Ikaw na lang umalis, kaya.

[yakibuke]

religion of today is the myth of tomorrow.

religion is the opiate of the masses

-karl marx

[kuroihikari]

Our country is predominated by a majority who are still trapped in the system of anitos, lamang-lupas and Babaylans disguised as Catholicism.

[yakibuke]

jiji is gibradi of catholicism

[icefrog]

Oy, sa mga taong nag papaalis sa kapwa Katoliko nila. Kung ma approve ang RH/RP bill puede ba kayo naman ang umalis. Umalis sa Pilipinas!! kasi yun ang gusto nyo gawin sa mga pro RH bill. Purket disagree lang or iba sa opinion nyo gusto nyo umalis na sa Catholic church.

Ganun ba ka kitid utak nyo na purket meron lang kayo hindi gusto, or hindi kayo agree 100% eh ang solution eh paalisin nang sapilitan?? Napaka casual pa ng dating as if meron sila authority sabihin yun.

Also, bakit meron naman mga alam na mga anti-RH/RP bill pero wala naman nerve na sabihan yung mga kapwa Catholic nila na pro RH bill na umalis na lang sa Church.

[Ryuuji]

Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I think yung nagsasabing umalis na lang sa RC church ang mga Katolikong pabor sa RH/RP bill ay nadala lang ng emosyon (okaaaay.... :P) because of their opposition to the said bill. Besides, di naman grounds for excommunication ang pagiging pabor sa bill na eto eh. So there.

I know that the church has its moral obligation to preach its teachings to its followers. Pero the CBCP has to realize that because of its influence, nagmumukhang bully sila in front of some.

Let's say Arch. Cruz was just airing his opinion that PNoy should not get married anymore. Kahit sabihin nating opinyon lang naman yan yun, he's a recognized Canon lawyer. Church leaders should be more aware kung ano yung sinasabi nila sa public. The way I see it, they're already meddling in affairs that are supposed to be meddled with by the state only.

Alam nila ang scope of influence nila sa karamihan ng mga Pilipino. Why don't they use such influence to teach what is moral or not? Pero ganun pa rin, even with the RH bill passed or not, people are still using contraceptives, nagbabasa ng mga R-18 publications, nagko-commit ng adultery, etc. Isn't it akin to the church's failure to teach its flock?

Rather than meddling in political and social affairs (encouraging bloc voting, influencing people who to vote [FVR's case, congressmen who are pro- or anti-RH, etc.], telling people not to get married because of their age, shooing people away in the middle of the eucharist, personally attacking people during the homily, etc.), they should see the bigger picture. Mas gugustuhin ba nila na makita ang pagkarami-raming Pinoy na nagsisikan sa mga squatter areas ng Maynila na walang makain kesa maipasa ang bill (which in fact, hindi lang puro contraception ang laman)?

God did say na humayo kayo at magparami but please let's not take it literally na magparami at magparami kahit di na natin kayang sustentuhan ang kanilang pangagailangan. Tapos sisisihin nila nag gobyerno kasi di raw sila tinutulungan.

It's a bigger sin to let your children die of hunger or allow them to become thieves in order to have food on your table than to use contraceptives or to inform yourself of your being a human being through sex education.

[TuxTips]

Its not the catholic church,
its your government.

[Migs42]

Its not the catholic church,
its your government.

correct. If the government only stand up to its principles of being a secular state.

Unfortunately, mama's boy is our president.