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  1. #961
    Bakit mo sinitas ang Acts 2:4? aida, ang mga sinasabi mo ay katulad ng samahang relihiyon na Pentecostal pero hindi ako nakakasiguro kaya tinanong kita kung ano ang pangalan ng iyong relihiyon. At ito ang iyong tugon:

    Paniwlaan natin ang Biblia na ang relihiyon ay hindi isang samahan, kaya ang tao dapat ay hindi tinatawag sa pangalan ng isang samahan. Ako ay Kristiano na "kay Cristo." at nabibilang sa anak/binhi ni Abraham (o ng sali't-saling lahi ng mga tunay na mananampalataya.
    Ayon sa iyo, ang relihiyon ay hindi isang samahan???? Ang mga tao ay hindi sama-sama sa iisang panunumbalik sa Dios so kung hindi sama-sama edi watak-watak kahit saan na lang sila nabibilang kahit magkaiba sila ng paraan at pananampalataya? Ganyan ang mga Protestante! Kahit kontradiksiyon ang iyong mga pahayag malamang isa kang kaanib sa samahang pangrelihiyon na Pentecostal. Marami na ang umalis sa samahang Pentecostal. Isa na ito:


    http://www.bible.ca/t-why-I-left-pentecostalism.htm

    "WHY I LEFT THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH"

    (2 Tim 3:14)

    Paul could have been thinking of me when he wrote this verse to a young man named Timothy. I was born into a Pentecostal family of many years. My grandfather preached "fire and brimstone" from the time I could remember until his death in 1968. He was some-what an intimidating individual who was demanding and abrupt. I was taught that only those who were "chosen" or "called" could ever enter into the "faithful" ministry of our Lord. I never challenged his thinking or his preaching. What he said was like a direct command from Jesus Christ himself. With this in mind .. at the age of 12 .. I was told I was being called into the ministry and preached my first sermon shortly thereafter. I spent a total of 18 years preaching as a "Pentecostal" preacher. I taught the "Jesus Only" doctrine known as the "Apostolic Faith" (United Pentecostal Church).

    To this day, my family fully believes that if one is not of the "Lord's true church" that being, saved in baptism in Jesus Name, and filled with the "Holy ghost" with the evidence of "Speaking in Tongues" ... one is not a Christian and headed for a "Devil's hell". My Grandfather (before his death) preached this 54 years ... my step-father has preached this in excess of 50 years ... my brother-in-law and sister "Pastor" a very large Pentecostal church in the Cincinnati, OH area. I have two cousins that are "Pentecostal" preachers. I have been accused of being "In a den of thieves and a pit of vipers", because of my stand on the Word of God and my faithfulness to the Lord's church. My wife and I have been publicly chastised and the atmosphere is very tense when we are visiting with my family. We are shunned by most of my family. We are reminded regularly of (2 Tim 3:12) ... "Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution."

    It was the first Thursday night of October, 1984, at the age of 42 when I realized that all that I had been teaching for 18 years as a "Pentecostal" had been "false doctrine" and that I was like the "blind leading the blind." That Thursday night of October, 1984 changed my life, my thinking, and my understanding of the "Word of God." I was invited to a "Gospel Meeting" at the Sandstone Drive Church of Christ, Little Rock, AR ... (I had never been to a Lord's church in my life.) Chris Bullock, of Kansas City, MO was to be the speaker. I consented to go with the attitude that I would be able to shed some light on his teaching and thus convince others of their wrong. Something happened: what was preached was what I had secretly believed all my adult life ... One did not have to come to an "altar", cry out, beg and plead for mercy to receive forgiveness ... one did not have to come again to the "altar" to "seek for the infilling of the Holy Spirit", which was promised to believers, one did not have to "utter" confusion in an attempt to show one has the gift of "speaking in tongues."

    All one had to do was hear the simple word of truth, believe it, confess Christ as the Son of God, repent of ones sins, and be baptized into the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for remission of sins. The Lord not only forgives completely but adds one to the church. This I did in obedience the following Sunday evening ... I became a "born again Christian." I gave up my life ... my music ... even my future dreams to follow Jesus for the first time in my life ... on the right path.

    It was not until October, 1987 when I met Louis Sharp in Little Rock, AR, that I really understood what "faithfulness" really means. As we began to study and learn... I began to realize that the Lord had work for me, as a Christian, to do. I then began to teach and preach the Gospel of Christ, it has now become my life. My desire is to teach those who are in error ... the truth ... that they to might become part of this body of Christ.

    I. Let Me Tell You Why I Am A Member of The Lord's Church.

    A. Pentecostalism traces itself back no further that, New Years Eve, 1899. (Topeka, KS.) This is when a small group of people supposedly received a "Divine Revelation" for the first time ever recorded.

    1. The Lord's church dates back to 33 AD when the 12 disciples received the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:4)

    2. This was a result of the fulfillment of the promise Jesus gave to his disciples. (Acts 1:8)

    3. The Pentecostal church cannot show authority from God's word for its beginning!!

    B. Pentecostalism teaches that the "power of the Holy Spirit" fell first on the 120 gathered in the upper room.

    1. The Bible teaches that only the 12 disciples received first the "Holy Spirit". (Acts 1:26-2:1)

    C. Pentecostalism believes that this power is received today because of the "New Revelation of God". in 1899.

    1. The Bible teaches in no such thing. (2 Tim 3:16-17) ...

    2. The scripture holds all that man needs to know for his salvation. There are no new revelations...

    D. Pentecostalism teaches that in 1914 .. another revelation was received .. revealing that being baptized in "Jesus Name" became tenets of faith. (Law) ... a formula!

    1. That is not what the Bible says ... (Mat 28:19-20)

    E. We find that in the early half of this century (1900 - 1944)... several Pentecostal groups were established: Two being ...Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ, Inc. and the Pentecostal church, Inc. In 1944 these two bodies became known as the UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH ... The authority is: (Pentecostal Church Manual, pp. 8-10, Foreword.)

    1. The Bible teaches that the Lord established only one church ... (Mat 16:18)

    2. This is the only church that Christ and the Apostles ever speak of.

    II. What are some of the Pentecostal practices?

    A. They claim that through the instrument of the Holy Spirit .. miracles and healing incurable diseases occurs daily. (Silver fillings become Gold ... Poor become miraculously rich ... Dead are raised ... Sick people instantly healed) (I never seen anyone miraculously healed in all the years I was "Pentecostal".)

    1. I will not limit God ... He has the power if he so chooses .... Man does not have that power.

    2. If he does ... where is the proof? "They call it lack of FAITH".

    3. When does the Holy Spirit give to one man this power and not another? That is unscriptural.

    a. Only the disciples and those they laid hands on had this power .... They are all dead.

    B. Pentecostalism teaches .. a person may speak in "tongues" while under the influence of the "Holy Spirit" ...just like Peter and the other Apostles at Pentecost.

    1. The only others who were able to do this were Cornelius and his kinfolk (Acts 10:44-46)

    2. And those whom the apostles laid there hands on.

    3. Don't we all have the continued influence of the Holy Spirit ... through the word: Can any one of us speak in an "unlearned" language?

    1. There will be more on this tomorrow night! .. Stayed tuned ......

    C. "Pentecostalism" espouses religion as a "romantic" philosophy .. that the heart of man has reasons which his mind knows not of. Man's feelings are the highest authority.

    1. The Bible is truth. (John 17:17) ... the truth is not subjective ... it does not originate with a person's own thinking ... Religion is not on based on a "feel" good experience.

    a. I get excited sometimes because of the truth .. that is natural.

    2. The Bible must be read ... studied and obeyed. (2 Tim 2:15) .. (John 8:32)

    3. The Bible is the absolute, inspired and authoritative Word of God. (2 Tim 3:16-17) (2 Pet 1:20-21)

    4. When a man regards his feelings as the basic authority ... he is on the wrong path.

    5. To reject the Word of God and do "that which is right in our own eyes" is to reject God. (1 Sam 15:22-26) (Mat 7:13-14)

    6. I feel good about the truth but my feeling good is not authority!

    D. Pentecostalism believes and teaches that women may participate in leading in prayer .. teaching .... and preaching in public ... doing the work of an evangelist and teacher.

    1. The Holy Spirit contrasted the duties of men from that of women in public prayer. (1 Tim 2:8-15)

    2. Women are to learn in silence. (1 Cor 14:34) ... They are not to teach in any capacity over a man.

    3. Woman may teach younger women (*** 2:4) ... they may teach a man in private. (Acts 18:25)

    a. Timothy was taught in private .... Apolos was taught in private.

    4. Women many not "teach" (deliver discourses) ... women are forbidden to preach. (1 Cor 14:34)

    5. There are many things women can and should be doing.

    E. "Pentecostalism" teaches that instruments of music are used to "glorify" God in worship.

    1. True worship is according to "Spirit and Truth" (John 4:24) .. the word of God ... not Moses ... not our feelings ... not what we believe to be right ... Jesus will judge us in the Last Day. (John 12:48)

    2. Vocal music was repeatedly specified as the kind of worship God wants from Christians. (Col 3:16) (Eph 5:19)

    3. Christians are to abide in the teachings of Christ .. not in man. (2 John 9-10) .. we are to follow the pattern given by God (Heb 8:5) ... without adding, subtracting or altering according to our own desires or opinions.

    CONCLUSION:

    I had read the Bible all my life .... I preached that which I had been taught .. when I doubted I was always told of "new revelations" received from God. In the "Pentecostal" church one is taught that the "Pastor" is the authority within the church .. and only knowledge is gained by adherence to "God's man" and in the leading of the "Holy spirit" directly. Accept that which you doubt with your faith.

    Only until I realized that in order to understand the "Gospel" one must study with an open heart ... prepared to accept the truth of the "Gospel" ... and with this truth ... obey the word of God. The Bible really is a simple book to understand ... but when man attempts to add to it ... his opinion ... his feelings .... he begins to lose the truth and believe a lie.

    Trust this word completely .... obey it! It contains all that man needs to get him into eternity with Jesus Christ.



    Oo, lumabas nga sa natalikod na iglesia na Katolisismo na ang ulo ay ang Papa sa Roma na Anti-Cristo (666) pero mali pa rin ang paraan at hindi nakilala ang iisang Dios na tunay na ipinakilala ni Cristo. Papaano ka magtatamo ng kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan? Malamang nahawa ka ng mga pastor ng Pentecostal Church na mga bulaang propeta o False Prophet. Marami sa Amerika nito at nakakamatay ang mga iyan. Kukunin ng ahas na si Satanas upang makasama sa kamatayan dahil tinanggap ang kasinungalingan.
    Last edited by rsyel; Jun 1, 2012 at 11:58 AM.

  2. #962

    False Prophet

    http://ph.news.yahoo.com/pastor-kill...h-service.html

    Pastor killed in rattlesnake attack during church service
    Yahoo! News – 16 hours ago


    A Pentecostal pastor famed for handling snakes during church sermons has died after being bitten by a rattlesnake.


    Mack Wolford died after being bitten by a rattlesnake. Image- Getty.

    Mark “Mack” Wolford, 44, was well-known across the US state of Virginia for his lively church services, which included handling dangerous snakes in a ‘test of faith’. But the pastor died after being bitten by a rattlesnake he had owned for years, mirroring the death of his own father in 1983.

    Holding an outdoor service in which serpents where passed around among church members, Wolford was bitten in the thigh by a yellow rattlesnake as he sat on the floor next to it. The service was quickly disbanded as the pastor was taken to family member’s house to recover, but he later died in hospital from poisoning.

    Wolford had been bitten on three previous occasions, but did not seek medical attention as he regarded the injury as a test of faith.

    “He helped me to understand the faith instead of just documenting it,” photographer and eyewitness Lauren Pond told the Washington Post. “He was one of the most open pastors I’ve ever met. He was a friend and a teacher.”

    “I didn’t see the bite, I saw the aftermath” she added.

    The group of serpent handlers follow the gospel of Mark, which states: “And these signs will follow
    those who believe...they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

  3. #963
    Quote Originally Posted by rsyel View Post
    aida, matapos na ma-exposed na mali ang pagkaunawa mo sa talatang 1John 5:20. Muli ka namang nagmarunong at nagpahayag na
    Ang ipinahayag ko tungkol sa 1 John 5:20 ay ayon sa nakasulat. Na sa "AND WE KNOW," ang WE ay tumutukoy lamang sa mga alagad ni Cristo. Ipinahahayag ni Juan na alam nilang lahat na sa Araw ng Pentecostes ang Anak ng Dios ay naparito sa kapahayagang-Espiritu Santo. At si Jesus mismo (na siyang Espiritu Santo) ang nagbigay-paunawa sa kanila upang Siya ay kanilang makilala nang lubusan (that we may know Him) - Siya na TRUE dahil tapat Siya sa Kaniyang pangako na [I]"I will come to you."

    Ang naganap sa Araw ng Pentecostes na muling pagparito ni Jesus (second coming) bagaman literal na nangyari, ito ay kailangang mangyari at maranasan ng lahat ng mga lahi ni Abraham (o sali't-saling lahi ng mga tunay na mananampalataya - Galatians 3:7) na mga "kay Cristo." Dahil ito ay simbolo ng "IPINANGANAK NG ESPIRITU" (na pagsa-tao ng Espiritu ni Cristo). Kung ang tao nga ay hindi IPINANGANAK NG TUBIG (o hindi nananampalataya kay Jesus o sa LAHAT ng mga nasusulat), hindi nga mararanasan ng tao ang sa 1 John 5:20. Hindi "IPINANGANAK NA MULI," (ng TUBIG at ng ESPIRITU), ang tao baga ay masasabing nakapasok na sa kaharian ng Dios (John 3:3)? at maituturing na "sa Dios?" o kay Cristo?

    1John 5:19 "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness."

    Nagmamarunong ako sa pananaw mo dahil wala sa katuruan ninyo ang John 3:3,5. Sa ganito, mangyayari bang maranasan mo ang sa 1 John 5:20 na pagsa-tao ng Espiritu ni Cristo (na simbolo ng pagsa-iyo ng Espiritu Santo)? Maliwanag. Hindi ka kay Cristo, dahil ang Kaniyang Espiritu ay hindi sumasa iyo:

    Romans 8:9 "...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

    Nasaan sa talata ng Acts 2:4 na si Jesucristo ay siyang Espiritu Santo? Narito po ang sinasabi ng talata:

    All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them.
    Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."

    Sino baga ang nagsasalita ng ibang wika (ESPIRITUWAL NA WIKA) kundi si Jesus? John 6:63 "Ang mga salitang sinasalita ko sa inyo ay pawang espirituwal." Siya na Espiritu o Dios (2 Cor. 3:17) ang siyang Espiritu Santo:

    Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."

    May nabasa ka bang si Jesuscristo ang siyang Espiritu Santo? Nasaan? ang nakalagay ay "All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them." Sa salin ng Tagalog ay ganito:

    At silang lahat ay napuspos ng Banal na Espiritu at nagsimulang magsalita sa ibang mga wika ayon sa ibinigay ng Espiritu sa kanila na kanilang sasabihin.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...:4&version=SND
    Hindi mo nga tinatanggap na si Jesus ang siyang Espiritu o Ama (2 Cor. 3:17), at sa Acts 20:28 ang salitang "God" ay pinapalitan ninyo ng "Christ" kaya paano mangyayaring maunawaan mo ang ipinahahayag doon na, "Ang Dios na siyang Espiritu Santo ay si Jesus?"

    Wala iyong sinasabi mo na si Jesucristo ang siyang Espiritu Santo.
    Hindi mo mauunawaan ang Acts 2:4 dahil hindi mo naranasan. Hindi mo naranasan, mangyayari bang mauunawaan mo rin ang sumusunod:

    1Corinthians 2:13 "Which things (spiritual things) also we speak (teach), not in the words literal words) which man's (natural man's) wisdom teacheth (physical wisdom), but which the Holy Ghost teacheth (Jesus Christ); comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

    Ikaw ay nagmamarunong ngunit lumalabas na mangmang!
    Ganyan talaga ang hindi mga tao ng Dios. Sa pagpapahayag ang lahat ay nauuwi sa pamemersonal at panunuya.

    Delikado ang mga nagbabasa ng iyong mga pahayag na kapag hindi sinuri baka maniwala sa mga sinasabi mo.
    Si Jesus ang namimili sa mga tao para magsipag-bunga ng mga bunga ng Espiritu. Ang sa akin ay pagbubukas lamang ng tabing ukol sa kaligtasan na itinuturo ang DAAN ng kaligtasan.

  4. #964
    Quote Originally Posted by rsyel View Post
    Bakit mo sinitas ang Acts 2:4? aida, ang mga sinasabi mo ay katulad ng samahang relihiyon na Pentecostal pero hindi ako nakakasiguro kaya tinanong kita kung ano ang pangalan ng iyong relihiyon. At ito ang iyong tugon:
    Muli, ayon sa Biblia, ang mga tunay na mananampalataya ay silang mga binhi ni Abraham o sali't-saling lahi ng mga tunay na mananampalataya (Galatians 3:7) na mga "kay Cristo" (Galatians 3:29) o si Jesucristo ang nakilala at kinikilalang Dios. Kung tunay ngang ang Biblia ang iyong batayan sa katotohanan, at ang mga "kay Cristo" ay walang samahang kinaaaniban bagkus sila ay nabibilang lamang sa Sangbahayan ng Dios (Ephesians 2:19), bakit kailangang ipagpilitan mo na ako ay may kinabibilangang samahan?

    James 2:11 "...Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law."

    Ang mga Pentecostal ay maituturing na hindi espirituwal na nangangalunya dahil ang kanilang kinikilalang Dios/espirituwal na asawa ay si Jesus. Ganoon pa man, dahil ang kanilang pagtuturo sa Biblia ay sa paraang LITERAL, at ang TITIK o literal na unawa sa Biblia ay pumapatay (2 Cor. 3:6), sila ay maituturing pa ding mga espirituwal na mamamatay-tao.

    Ang Acts 2:4 ba ay para sa mga Pentecostal lamang? At pag ginamit ng iba ay Pentecostal na ang tao?

    Ayon sa iyo, ang relihiyon ay hindi isang samahan????
    Ganoon ang sinasabi ng Biblia, kaya sinasampalatayanan ko ito.

    Ang mga tao ay hindi sama-sama sa iisang panunumbalik sa Dios
    Tungkol dito, ang mga tunay na Kristiano ay nanumbalik sa Panginoon (sa Kaniya mismo) sa paraang pagpapakababa sa Kaniyang harapan, na sa Kaniya lamang iniaasa ang lahat ng mga bagay na nauukol sa espirituwal. Dahil dito, Siya ay nagpakilala nang lubusan sa kanila:

    Jeremiah 24:7 "And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart."

    Sa kabilang banda, ang mga hindi tunay na Kristiano ay nanumbalik sa Dios sa paraang pagsapi sa relihiyon, at pamamag-asa sa mga lider ng pananampalataya tungkol sa mga bagay na nauukol sa espirituwal.

    so kung hindi sama-sama edi watak-watak kahit saan na lang sila nabibilang kahit magkaiba sila ng paraan at pananampalataya?
    Ang pananampalataya o FAITH (o tunay na pagkakilala sa Dios) nga ay kaloob. Lahat ng mga nabibilang sa mga relihiyon, dahil sa mga lider nila sila umaasa, kung sino at ilan ang Dios ng lider nila, iyun na rin ang nagiging Dios nila.

    Ganyan ang mga Protestante! Kahit kontradiksiyon ang iyong mga pahayag
    Ang mga sinasabi ko ba ang kontradiksyon sa Biblia, o ang mga sinasabi mo?

    malamang isa kang kaanib sa samahang pangrelihiyon na Pentecostal. Marami na ang umalis sa samahang Pentecostal. Isa na ito:
    Bintang ka ng bintang. Hindi mo ba kayang paniwalaan ang tapat na sinasabi ko, na ako ay Kristiano lamang na sa Sangbahayan ng Dios nabibilang? Bakit ako sasapi sa anomang samahan eh pinaaalis nga ng Panginoon ang mga tao diyan (Rev. 18:4, 2 Cor. 6:17)?

    [i]"WHY I LEFT THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH"
    Ano ang layunin mo sa patotoong ito? Ang engganyuhin ang mga tao na umalis sa Pentecostal, at lumipat sa inyo? Sinomang makinig sa iyo, lumipat lang siya ng samahan, pero nananatili pa ding siya ay makasalanan dahil sa hindi pakikinig sa panawagan ng Panginoon na ang mga tao ay magsilabas at magsihiwalay sa mga relihiyon.

    Oo, lumabas nga sa natalikod na iglesia na Katolisismo
    Ang Katolisismo kailan man ay hindi itinayo ni Cristo kaya paanong ito ay tumalikod?

    na ang ulo ay ang Papa sa Roma na Anti-Cristo (666)
    Sa katotohanan, ang 666 ay silang mga TAO na nagtuturo ng espirituwal na pangangalunya: Trinitarian (6), Arian (6), at Pentecostal (6).

    Dalawang bagay lang iyan. Isang "kay Cristo" o si Jesucristo ang kinikilalang Dios, at isang anticristo (hindi si Jesucristo ang kinikilalang Dios).

    pero mali pa rin ang paraan at hindi nakilala ang iisang Dios na tunay na ipinakilala ni Cristo.
    Sa John 17:3, hindi ipinakikilala ni Jesus na ang Ama ang tunay na Dios. Sa halip, ang Kaniyang sinabi ay "that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent" na ibig sabihin; naroon ang kagustuhan Niya na nawa ay makilala ng mga alagad ang Ama at Siya (o kung paanong sila ay iisa at siya din).

    Ang Dios ay Espiritu (John 4:24), at si Jesucristo ang siyang Espiritu (2 Corinthians 3:17). Kaya paanong sasabihin mong iba ang Ama sa Anak?

    Papaano ka magtatamo ng kaligtasan at buhay na walang hanggan?
    Saliksikin mo ang mga Kasulatan na nauukol lamang tungkol kay Jesus (john 5:39).

    Malamang nahawa ka ng mga pastor ng Pentecostal Church na mga bulaang propeta o False Prophet.
    Ang mga bulaang propeta ayon sa Biblia ay silang nagsitanggap ng TANDA (mark) sa kanilang mga noo at kamay (Rev. 14:9). Kaiba sa kanila, ang TANDA ng mga tunay na Kristiano ay sa noo lamang.

    Marami sa Amerika nito at nakakamatay ang mga iyan. Kukunin ng ahas na si Satanas upang makasama sa kamatayan dahil tinanggap ang kasinungalingan.
    Anong kamatayan ang tinutukoy mo, espirituwal ba o pisikal na kamatayan?

  5. #965
    Quote Originally Posted by aida
    Ang naganap sa Araw ng Pentecostes na muling pagparito ni Jesus (second coming) bagaman literal na nangyari, ito ay kailangang mangyari at maranasan ng lahat ng mga lahi ni Abraham (o sali't-saling lahi ng mga tunay na mananampalataya - Galatians 3:7) na mga "kay Cristo." Dahil ito ay simbolo ng "IPINANGANAK NG ESPIRITU" (na pagsa-tao ng Espiritu ni Cristo). Kung ang tao nga ay hindi IPINANGANAK NG TUBIG (o hindi nananampalataya kay Jesus o sa LAHAT ng mga nasusulat), hindi nga mararanasan ng tao ang sa 1 John 5:20. Hindi "IPINANGANAK NA MULI," (ng TUBIG at ng ESPIRITU), ang tao baga ay masasabing nakapasok na sa kaharian ng Dios (John 3:3)? at maituturing na "sa Dios?" o kay Cristo?
    Pilit mo mang itago ang iyong relihiyon at ayaw sabihin ang pangalan nito, wala ka pa rin sa tamang relihiyon. Nasa labas ka man ng Katolisismo na natutuyo na, nasa impluwensiya ka naman ng False Prophet na sinasalot din. Ang tunay na kay Cristo ay tinatawag na mga iglesia ni Cristo na umaani ng parada ng tagumpay.

    Ang tanong ko sa iyo aida ay ganito:

    Nasaan sa talata ng Acts 2:4 na si Jesucristo ay siyang Espiritu Santo?

    Ang sagot mo naman sa aking tanong ay ganito:

    Hindi mo mauunawaan ang Acts 2:4 dahil hindi mo naranasan. Hindi mo naranasan, mangyayari bang mauunawaan mo rin ang sumusunod:
    Tama ba naman ang sagot mo sa tanong ko? natural mali. Ang tamang sagot sa tanong ay wala sa talatang Acts 2:4 na si Jesucristo ay siyang Espiritu Santo! Maling pahayag ang iyong ginawa. Hindi nakukuha iyan sa pagsasabing "hindi mo naranasan". Ganito ang mga pahayag ng mga taong kabilang sa Protestantismo. Dala-dala rin ay Biblia ngunit wala sa talata ang mga ipinangangaral. Sumisitas ng talata ngunit hindi nauunawaan. Mga bulaang propeta. False Prophet.

    Iyan ay mga kasangkapan ng kalabang si Satanas upang mailigaw niya at makasama niya ang mga tao sa mundo sa kaparusahan. Bago tuluyang matalo at mawala ang maitim na kalabang mapagmataas, nag-aakusa ng kasinungalingan sa kaniyang kalaban at masuwayin sa batas na nasusulat ay igagapos at ikukulong muna siya.


    http://www.sundaymail.co.zw/index.ph...ews&Itemid=134

    World boxing champ Mayweather jailed
    Saturday, 02 June 2012 17:48
    US world champion boxer Floyd Mayweather Jnr has begun a three-month jail term for domestic violence.

    The fighter was sentenced last December after pleading guilty to attacking his ex-girlfriend, Josie Harris.
    The judge delayed his jail time to allow him to fight Miguel Cotto on May 5. He won the fight, for which he reportedly received $32 million.

    Rapper 50 Cent was at the Las Vegas courtroom with Mayweather, and said the boxer would be “all right”.
    At the time of sentencing, the judge had told the court she was particularly concerned that Mayweather had attacked and threatened Ms Harris while two of their children were present.

    The assault took place in 2010.
    Mayweather has been involved in a string of criminal cases for violence since 2002.
    He is widely regarded as one of the world’s best boxers, and has won all 43 of his professional fights. — BBC.






  6. #966
    he has faight definitely, pero hoax faight nga lang

  7. #967
    Quote Originally Posted by igorot_hunk View Post
    he has faight definitely, pero hoax faight nga lang
    GOD 's Words from HIS Sacred Testaments differentiating literally interpreted faith from the Revelations in Spiritual Truth from isaiah's 28:10 divine guidance.

    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post
    DECIPHERING GOD’S SPIRITUAL LANGUAGE


    FAITH


    Perhaps many people think that FAITH comes from man, because our Lord kept on saying, "Have faith..., if you have faith..., increase your faith." Faith actually is a gift of God:

    Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:"

    Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit:

    Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,"

    Since FAITH comes from God, how could a real believer have it? It was answered by our Lord in:

    Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

    Humility comes first before faith. In fact, this is the only role of the real Christian. Once our Lord see real spiritual humility in the chosen, He will give him the "gifts," and provide him with the "fruit(s)."

    Since FAITH comes from God, this is hardly discernible by the unbelievers. Thus, its spiritual size of a "mustard seed." What people see is "faith" that comes from man’s capability. This is not true faith. Our Lord saw this kind of faith in the religious people during His time. He called them "hypocrites." (Read the whole of Matthew 23.)


    MOUNTAIN


    Look how far is man’s understanding from God’s explanation of His words. Mountain to God refers to people. God tells us to take only the "line" (Isaiah 28:10), and not "verse by verse." "Contextual" understanding and interpretation is man’s invention. Originally, the Bible was not divided into chapters and verses. These were the works of men only.

    Judges 9:36 "And when Gaal saw the people, he said to Zebul, Behold, there come people down from the top of the mountains. And Zebul said unto him, Thou seest the shadow of the mountains as if they were men."

    Mountain, therefore, refers to the real believer who has faith as big as a mustard seed. This spiritual mountain must "move to the sea." ....

  8. #968
    Quote Originally Posted by rsyel View Post
    Pilit mo mang itago ang iyong relihiyon
    James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

    Muli, ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay hindi isang samahan. Sa halip, ito ay ang pagdalaw o pangangaral ng evangelio sa mga naulila sa ama at asawa sa kanilang kapighatian (kapighatian sa paghahanap ng katotohanan). Sino sila kundi silang nagsipakinig sa panawagang ito ng Panginoon na sila ay magsilabas at magsi-alis sa mga sekta (na ang espirituwal na ama at asawa ay si Satanas):

    2Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them (ANG PANGINOON AY NANANAWAGAN SA LAHAT NG MGA TAONG NABIBILANG SA MGA RELIHIYON NA SILA AY MAGSILABAS O HUWAG NILANG GAYAHIN SILA), and be ye separate (AT SILA AY MAGSIHIWALAY SA KANILANG LAHAT), saith the Lord...and I will receive you,"

    2Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

    Ang mga nagsipakinig sa panawagang ito ng Panginoon, sila ang mga ulila sa espirituwal na ama at asawa, Sila ay pinangangakuan ni Jesus na sila'y tatanggapin Niya (sakali't sila ay magsilapit sa Kaniya mangyari pa). Maliwanag kung gayon, na ang mga nananatili sa mga relihiyon at sekta ay hindi tinatanggap ni Jesus. Hindi tinatanggap ni Jesus, nananatiling ang kanilang ama at asawa ay si Satanas. Hindi si Jesus ang Ama at Asawa, maliwang din kung gayon, na isinasangkalan lang nila si Jesus sa kanilang mga pangangaral. Kaya hindi nila kayang gampanan ang "to keep himself unspotted from the world" o pangangaral ng katotohanan at pawang katotohanan lamang (sa mga ulila at bao).

    Sa mga kapahayagang ito, ako na umalis na sa relihiyon at si Jesucristo na ang Ama at espirituwal na Asawa, bakit ipinagpipilitan mong ako ay kasapi sa relihiyon? Nagtayo ba si Jesus ng gusali gaya sa simbahan at kapilya? o ang mga alagad Niya ay tinatawag lamang na CHRIST-ian hango sa pangalan Niya na Dios nila (Jeremiah 15:16)? Ikaw, Christian ka na, ay INC ka pa?

    at ayaw sabihin ang pangalan nito wala ka pa rin sa tamang relihiyon.
    May sekta ba (na sa inyo ay relihiyon) na tama at nararapat?

    Nasa labas ka man ng Katolisismo na natutuyo na,
    Ang mga tunay na Kristiano, dapat ay nagpapahayag lang ng katotohanan ng hindi nakikialam sa bagay ng iba (o sa ibang relihiyon) na sinisiraan sila. Una-una, ang mga Katoliko ay mga biktima lang. Magpahayag ka lang ng katotohanan para sa ikaliligtas nila na sinasabi ang ipinahahayag ng Biblia. Pero ang sila ay tirahin mo ng tirahin, maling-mali iyan!

    nasa impluwensiya ka naman ng False Prophet na sinasalot din.
    Ang espirituwal na propeta ay silang nalalaman ang "sa darating" na espirituwal na magaganap. Halimbawa: Sa iyo ang ikalawang pagparito ni Jesus ay hindi pa nagaganap gayung matagal na itong nangyari. Ikaw kung gayon ang naiimpluwensiyahan ng mga bulaang propeta.

    Ang tunay na kay Cristo ay tinatawag na mga iglesia ni Cristo na umaani ng parada ng tagumpay.
    Ang Biblia lang ang may karapatang magsabi kung sino ang mga "KAY CRISTO" at hindi ikaw o ang sino pa man.

    Galacia 3:29 "At kung kayo'y kay Cristo, kayo nga'y binhi ni Abraham, at mga tagapagmana ayon sa pangako."

    Roma 8:9 "...Datapuwa't kung ang sinoma'y walang Espiritu ni Cristo, siya'y hindi sa kaniya."

    na umaani ng parada ng tagumpay.
    Tungkol sa pagtatagumpay sa espirituwal, hindi maaaring kayo ang magtagumpay kundi si Jesus at ang Kaniyang mga salita. Dahil ang sukatan ng tagumpay ay sa pagkamatay ng tao, at siya ay hinatulan. Halimbawa: Ligtas ba ang namayagpag at nagtagumpay sa lupa, na ang mga tao ay pineperahan, o hindi? HINDI!

    Ang tanong ko sa iyo aida ay ganito:

    Nasaan sa talata ng Acts 2:4 na si Jesucristo ay siyang Espiritu Santo?
    Sabi sa 2 Corinthians 3:17, "NOW the Lord is that Spirit." Kung ang Espiritu ang siyang Espiritu Santo sa Acts 2:4, at si Jesus ang siyang Espiritu, sino ang Espiritu Santo?

    Ang sagot mo naman sa aking tanong ay ganito:

    Tama ba naman ang sagot mo sa tanong ko? natural mali. Ang tamang sagot sa tanong ay wala sa talatang Acts 2:4 na si Jesucristo ay siyang Espiritu Santo! Maling pahayag ang iyong ginawa. Hindi nakukuha iyan sa pagsasabing "hindi mo naranasan". Ganito ang mga pahayag ng mga taong kabilang sa Protestantismo. Dala-dala rin ay Biblia ngunit wala sa talata ang mga ipinangangaral. Sumisitas ng talata ngunit hindi nauunawaan. Mga bulaang propeta. False Prophet.
    Iba ang guni-guni sa katotohanang karanasan. NASUSULAT: Naranasan ng mga alagad sa 1 John 5:20 na suma kanila ang Espiritu Santo at dumoon ang Espiritu ni Cristo sa kanila. Kung naranasan ko din ito, at sa ganoong paraan ko din nakilala nang lubusan si Jesus, bulaang propeta na ba ako?

    Iyan ay mga kasangkapan ng kalabang si Satanas upang mailigaw niya at makasama niya ang mga tao sa mundo sa kaparusahan. Bago tuluyang matalo at mawala ang maitim na kalabang mapagmataas, nag-aakusa ng kasinungalingan sa kaniyang kalaban at masuwayin sa batas na nasusulat ay igagapos at ikukulong muna siya.
    Ang tanong diyan ay kung sino ang mga kay Satanas. Ako, mula sa pag-amin ko sa Panginoon noon na ako ay kay Satanas, at nais ko'y maging sa Kaniya ako, suma akin ang Kaniyang BIYAYA. Alam mo ba kung paano sumasa tao ang biyaya ni Jesus?

  9. #969
    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post
    Muli, ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay hindi isang samahan.
    mali ka na naman aida sa iyong pahayag. Ang relihiyon po ay isang samahan. Narito po ang mga halimbawa:

    http://tl.answers.com/Q/Ano_ang_mga_...sa_buong_mundo

    Ano ang mga iba't ibang relihiyon sa buong mundo?

    Answer:
    Napakaraming relihiyon sa buong mundo. Dito na lang sa Pilipinas, ang nakarehistro sa gobyerno ay mahigit na isang libong samahan o relihiyon tulad ng:
    1. Iglesia katolika or Roman Catholic
    2. Napakaraming klase na Born again
    3. Marami ding klaseng Iglesia ni Cristo
    4. Mga Protestante
    5. 7th day Advintist
    6. Maraming klaseng Church of Christ
    7. Church of God ito lang ang nababasa sa Biblia gaya ng nakasulat sa aklat ng I Timoteo 3:15



    Dito malinaw na ang relihiyon ay samahan. Bakit samahan? Sapagkat hindi naman iisang tao ang kabilang sa partikular na pananampalatayang ito. Marami ang kaanib. Ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay katawan o iglesia at ang katawan ay binubuo ng maraming tao na sama-sama na may iisang pananampalataya kaya samahan ang relihiyon. Hindi watak-watak! Ang mga tao ay mga sangkap na samasama sa isa't isa:

    “Sapagka’t kung paanong sa isang katawan ay mayroong tayong maraming mga sangkap, at ang lahat ng mga sangkap ay hindi pareho ang gawain: Ay gayon din tayo, na marami, ay iisang katawan kay Cristo, at mga sangkap na samasama sa isa’t isa ( Roma 12:4-5)

    Pag sinabing samasama sa isa't isa, samahan o hindi? Dahil ayaw mong tanggapin na ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay isang samahan... Muli, aida, natitiyak kong hindi ka kabilang sa samahang ito na katawan ni Cristo.

    Baka may bagong relihiyon na iisang tao lang kaanib sa katawan? Siguro iyong relihiyon mo aida hindi kay Cristo... hindi nga samahan kasi ikaw lang ang meron ganitong relihiyon. Hindi puwedeng sumama sa relihiyon ni aida. hindi kasi samahan. Hindi ikaliligtas ng tao.
    Last edited by rsyel; Jun 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM.

  10. #970
    Quote Originally Posted by rsyel View Post
    mali ka na naman aida sa iyong pahayag. Ang relihiyon po ay isang samahan. Narito po ang mga halimbawa:

    http://tl.answers.com/Q/Ano_ang_mga_...sa_buong_mundo

    Ano ang mga iba't ibang relihiyon sa buong mundo?

    Answer:
    Napakaraming relihiyon sa buong mundo. Dito na lang sa Pilipinas, ang nakarehistro sa gobyerno ay mahigit na isang libong samahan o relihiyon tulad ng:
    1. Iglesia katolika or Roman Catholic
    2. Napakaraming klase na Born again
    3. Marami ding klaseng Iglesia ni Cristo
    4. Mga Protestante
    5. 7th day Advintist
    6. Maraming klaseng Church of Christ
    7. Church of God ito lang ang nababasa sa Biblia gaya ng nakasulat sa aklat ng I Timoteo 3:15



    Dito malinaw na ang relihiyon ay samahan. Bakit samahan? Sapagkat hindi naman iisang tao ang kabilang sa partikular na pananampalatayang ito. Marami ang kaanib. Ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay katawan o iglesia at ang katawan ay binubuo ng maraming tao na sama-sama na may iisang pananampalataya kaya samahan ang relihiyon. Hindi watak-watak! Ang mga tao ay mga sangkap na samasama sa isa't isa:

    “Sapagka’t kung paanong sa isang katawan ay mayroong tayong maraming mga sangkap, at ang lahat ng mga sangkap ay hindi pareho ang gawain: Ay gayon din tayo, na marami, ay iisang katawan kay Cristo, at mga sangkap na samasama sa isa’t isa ( Roma 12:4-5)

    Pag sinabing samasama sa isa't isa, samahan o hindi? Dahil ayaw mong tanggapin na ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay isang samahan... Muli, aida, natitiyak kong hindi ka kabilang sa samahang ito na katawan ni Cristo.

    Baka may bagong relihiyon na iisang tao lang kaanib sa katawan? Siguro iyong relihiyon mo aida hindi kay Cristo... hindi nga samahan kasi ikaw lang ang meron ganitong relihiyon. Hindi puwedeng sumama sa relihiyon ni aida. hindi kasi samahan. Hindi ikaliligtas ng tao.



    Pure religion ayon sa bible:

    James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

    Pure religion ayon kay rsyel post #969:

    Ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay katawan o iglesia at ang katawan ay binubuo ng maraming tao na sama-sama na may iisang pananampalataya kaya samahan ang relihiyon.

    Bakit po ang mga sekta ng religion ay nakarehistro sa SEC? Isa lang po ang malinaw na dahilan, para po hindi sila magbayad ng tax o buwis sa pamahalaan sa mga nakokolektang salapi o bagay mula sa mga kaanib.

  11. #971
    Quote Originally Posted by rsyel View Post
    mali ka na naman aida sa iyong pahayag. Ang relihiyon po ay isang samahan.
    Sa maraming mga tao, ang RELIHIYON ay isang kapisanan o samahan na binubuo ng mga lider ng pananampalataya at ng mga miembro. Si Pablo na dati ay kaanib sa mga samahang ganito, ay nagpahayag:

    Galatians 1:13 "For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:"

    Dating nabibilang sa relihiyon, dito ay ipinahahayag ni Pablo na dati ay inuusig niya ang mga iglesia ng Dios (o ang mga tunay na alagad ng Dios). Dahil si Jesus ang Dios na tinutukoy niya dito, maliwanag na ang mga mang-uusig ay ang mga taong nabibilang sa relihiyon, at ang kanilang inuusig ay silang mga "KAY CRISTO" na si Jesucristo ang kinikilalang Dios. Sa inyong lahat na nabibilang sa relihiyon, kung gayon, na sa pagitan ng inyong pagtatalo ay kapwa sinasabing kayo ay inuusig, maliwanag na kayo ay namamali. Ano nga kundi "dalawang grupo ng mga mang-uusig," sa pagtatalo ninyo ay "espirituwal na digmaan" lang ang ginagawa ninyo. Bukod sa "pang-uusig," inamin ni Pablo na nang siya ay kasapi sa relihiyon, ginagawa din niya na perahan at lokohin ang mga tao.

    Galatians 1:14 "And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers."

    Kaiba sa mga taong nabibilang sa relihiyon, ang mga "KAY CRISTO" inaalimura man, pinaguusig at pinagwiwikaan ng sarisaring masama na pawang kasinungalingan, dahil sa Panginoon (Mateo 5:11), sila ay nananatiling katotohanan at pawang katotohanan lamang ang ipinangangaral. Halimbawa: Tungkol sa kaligtasan, kailangan ba ang pagbibigay ng SALAPI (o pag-aambag o pag-aabuloy) gaya sa pinaiiral ng mga relihiyon? HINDI!

    Isaiah 52:3 "For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money."


    Narito po ang mga halimbawa:

    http://tl.answers.com/Q/Ano_ang_mga_...sa_buong_mundo

    Ano ang mga iba't ibang relihiyon sa buong mundo?

    Answer:
    Napakaraming relihiyon sa buong mundo. Dito na lang sa Pilipinas, ang nakarehistro sa gobyerno ay mahigit na isang libong samahan o relihiyon tulad ng:
    1. Iglesia katolika or Roman Catholic
    Ang Iglesia Katolika, ito ang "mother of harlots" na sinasabi ng Biblia. Nananawagan ang Panginoon sa mga miembro nila, alang-alang sa ikaliligtas nila, na sila ay magsilabas sa kanila (o huwag nila silang gayahin sa mga DAAN at paraan ng kaligtasan na itinuturo nila) upang sila ay hindi mahawa sa mga kasalanan nila:

    Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

    2. Napakaraming klase na Born again
    3. Marami ding klaseng Iglesia ni Cristo
    4. Mga Protestante
    5. 7th day Advintist
    6. Maraming klaseng Church of Christ
    7. Church of God ito lang ang nababasa sa Biblia gaya ng nakasulat sa aklat ng I Timoteo 3:15[/i]
    Literal na inunawa ng mga tao ang salitang "LUMABAS," nang sila ay umalis sa Iglesia Katolika ay buong pagmamapuri nilang lahat na sinasabing sila ay nakaalis na sa kanila. Ang hindi nila alam, literal lamang silang umalis sa kanila datapuwa't lumipat lamang sila sa ibang relihiyon. Dahil dito, muli ang Panginoon ay nanawagan sa mga tao at diniretso na Niyang bukod sa sila ay magsilabas (huwag gumaya) ay magsihiwalay (umalis) sila sa kanilang lahat na nagsigaya sa Iglesia Katolika:

    2Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord... and I will receive you..."

    Ang freewill ng tao dahil hindi pinanghihimasukan ng Panginoon, nasa mga tao na nga ang desisyon kung sila ay makikinig o hindi sa Panginoon.

    Dito malinaw na ang relihiyon ay samahan.
    Samahan o kapisanan ng mga espirituwal na patay, ito sa panig ng Panginoon ang literal na relihiyon:

    Proverbs 21:16 "The man (NATURAL MAN) that wandereth out of the way of understanding (the spiritual language of God) shall remain in the congregation of the (spiritually) dead."

    Bakit samahan? Sapagkat hindi naman iisang tao ang kabilang sa partikular na pananampalatayang ito.
    Alalahanin mong ang FAITH (o ang tunay na pagkakilala sa Dios), dahil ito ay isa sa mga bunga ng Espiritu (Galatians 65:22) na si Jesucristo (2 Cor. 3:17), ito ay kaloob (o ang Panginoon mismo ang nagpapakilala sa mga tao). Sa mga taong nabibilang sa relihiyon, ang mga lider ng pananampalataya ang nagpapakilala sa Dios sa mga tao. Kaya nga, kung sino at ilan ang Dios ng lider ng tao, iyun na rin ng nagiging Dios niya. Hindi ito tunay na FAITH.

    Marami ang kaanib.
    Sa relihiyon, ang gawa nila ay ang manawagan sa mga tao para sila ay magsi-anib sa kanila, na nangangakong sa ganitong paraan maliligtas ang tao. Sa Panginoon, ang DAAN ng kaligtasan ay ang sampalatayanan nila Siya (o pakinggan ng tao ang lahat ng mga nasusulat - Acts 16:31), at Siya na ang bahala sa tao.

    Ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay katawan o iglesia at ang katawan ay binubuo ng maraming tao na sama-sama na may iisang pananampalataya kaya samahan ang relihiyon. Hindi watak-watak! Ang mga tao ay mga sangkap na samasama sa isa't isa:
    Iyan sa panig mo ang dalisay na relihiyon. Sa Panginoon nga ay iba ito.

    Pag sinabing samasama sa isa't isa, samahan o hindi? Dahil ayaw mong tanggapin na ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay isang samahan... Muli, aida, natitiyak kong hindi ka kabilang sa samahang ito na katawan ni Cristo.
    Kung ano lang ang paliwanag ng Biblia tungkol sa "dalisay na relihiyon," doon lang ako.

    Baka may bagong relihiyon na iisang tao lang kaanib sa katawan? Siguro iyong relihiyon mo aida hindi kay Cristo...
    Ang dalisay na relihiyon, dahil sa Panginoon ito ay ang pagdalaw o pangangaral sa mga ulila sa ama at bao (silang nagsi-alis at nagsihiwalay sa mga relihiyon na ang espirituwal na ama at asawa ay si Satanas), sa kanila ngang pamimighati sa paghahanap ng katotohanan, ay nagsisilbi akong tagapagbukas ng tabing sa kaligtasan - na ang mga tao ay inilalapit sa Panginoon.

    hindi nga samahan kasi ikaw lang ang meron ganitong relihiyon.
    Sa relihiyon ayon na rin kay Pablo, pawang pang-uusig ang ginagawa ng mga tao sa mga tunay na Kristiano, at pamemera sa mga tao. Eksakto ito sa mga ginagawa mo sa akin, at sa ginagawa ninyo sa inyong mga miembro.

    Hindi puwedeng sumama sa relihiyon ni aida. hindi kasi samahan.
    Wala nga akong relihiyon kaya paanong sasama sa akin ang tao sa relihiyon ko?

    Hindi ikaliligtas ng tao.
    Ang TAGAPAGLIGTAS ay ang dakilang Dios na si Jesucristo (Titus 2:13), at hindi ako.

  12. #972
    Matapos na kinontra ng Bibliya at mapatunayang mali ang iyong pahayag na:

    Quote Originally Posted by aida View Post
    Muli, ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay hindi isang samahan
    hindi mo pa rin matanggap at hindi nagsisi at muli ka namang nagpahayag ng kasinungalingan na

    Ang TAGAPAGLIGTAS ay ang dakilang Dios na si Jesucristo (Titus 2:13), at hindi ako.
    aida, si Cristo po ang ginawa ng Dios na TAGAPAGLIGTAS sa mga taong makasalanan hindi si Cristo ang Dakilang Dios. Narito po ang talatang Titus 2:13 na iyong binanggit

    Titus 2:13 KJV 1611
    Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God, and our Sauiour Iesus Christ,


    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/...ter=2&verse=13
    http://www.biblerick.com/1-1611-56.htm

    [Pansinin ang kuwit pagkatapos ng salitang "God"]

    Magkaiba po si Cristo na ginawang Tagapagligtas sa Dakilang Dios. Si Cristo ang Anak at hindi ang Ama, ang Dakilang Dios.

    Mga Gawa 5:30-31

    30 Ang Diyos ng aming mga ninuno ang nagbangon kay Jesus na inyong pinatay sa pagbitin ninyo sa kaniya sa puno. 31 Siya ay itinaas ng Diyos sa kaniyang kanang bahagi upang maging Pinakapinuno at Tagapagligtas. Ito ay upang ang Israel ay pagkalooban ng pagsisisi at kapatawaran ng kanilang mga kasalanan.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...31&version=SND


    Itinaas ng Dios si Cristo upang MAGING Pinakapinuno at Tagapagligtas. Hindi po si Cristo ang Dios. Sino ang itinaas? sagot: si Cristo. Sino ang nagtaas? sagot: ang Dios.

    Kinontra na naman ng Biblia ang pahayag mo, aida. Malayo sa katotohanang ipinangangaral ng tunay na relihiyon sa iyong mga pahayag. Sabagay inamin mo na wala kang relihiyon.

    Wala nga akong relihiyon kaya paanong sasama sa akin ang tao sa relihiyon ko?
    aida, kahit sabihin mo mang may pananampalataya ka ngunit hindi ka kabilang sa tunay relihiyon, paano ka pagkakalooban ng pagsisi at kapatawaran ng iyong mga kasalanan?

    sabi nga ni igorot_hunk:

    he has faight definitely, pero hoax faight nga lang
    Ganyan ang mga False Prophet.
    Last edited by rsyel; Jun 7, 2012 at 12:26 PM.

  13. #973
    Quote Originally Posted by igos View Post
    Pure religion ayon sa bible:

    James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

    Pure religion ayon kay rsyel post #969:

    Ang dalisay na RELIHIYON ay katawan o iglesia at ang katawan ay binubuo ng maraming tao na sama-sama na may iisang pananampalataya kaya samahan ang relihiyon.

    Bakit po ang mga sekta ng religion ay nakarehistro sa SEC? Isa lang po ang malinaw na dahilan, para po hindi sila magbayad ng tax o buwis sa pamahalaan sa mga nakokolektang salapi o bagay mula sa mga kaanib.
    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...22&version=SND

    Mateo 22:15-22
    Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND)
    Ang Pagbabayad ng Buwis-pandayuhan kay Cesar

    15 Umalis ang mga Fariseo at nagplano sila kung paano mahuhuli si Jesus sa kaniyang pananalita. 16 Sinugo nila kay Jesus ang kanilang mga alagad kasama ang mga tauhan ni Herodes. Sinabi nila: Guro, alam naming ikaw ay totoo at itinuturo mo ang daan ng Diyos ayon sa katotohanan. Hindi ka nagtatangi sa kaninuman sapagkat hindi ka tumitingin sa panlabas na anyo ng tao. 17 Sabihin mo nga sa amin: Ano ang iyong palagay? Naaayon ba sa kautusan na magbigay kay Cesar ng buwis-pandayuhan o hindi?
    18 Ngunit alam ni Jesus ang kanilang kasamaan. Kaniyang sinabi: Bakit ninyo ako sinusubukan, kayong mga mapagpakunwari? 19 Ipakita ninyo sa akin ang perang ginagamit na buwis-pandayuhan. Dinala nila sa kaniya ang isang denaryo. 20 Sinabi niya sa kanila: Kaninong anyo ang narito at patungkol kanino ang nakasulat dito?
    21 Sinabi nila sa kaniya: Kay Cesar.
    Sinabi niya sa kanila: Ibigay nga ninyo kay Cesar ang mga bagay na nauukol kay Cesar. Ibigay ninyo sa Diyos ang mga bagay na nauukol sa Diyos.
    22 Sila ay namangha nang marinig nila ito. Iniwan nila si Jesus at sila ay umalis.

  14. #974

    Salot****** The Rivers of Babylon Are Drying Up

    http://ph.news.yahoo.com/greece-warn...165803529.html

    Greece Warns of Going Broke as Tax Proceeds Dry Up

    By LIZ ALDERMAN | New York Times – Thu, Jun 7, 2012

    ATHENS — As European leaders grapple with how to preserve their monetary union, Greece is rapidly running out of money.

    Government coffers could be empty as soon as July, shortly after this month’s pivotal elections. In the worst case, Athens might have to temporarily stop paying for salaries and pensions, along with imports of fuel, food and pharmaceuticals.
    Officials, scrambling for solutions, have considered dipping into funds that are supposed to be for Greece’s troubled banks. Some are even suggesting doling out i.o.u.’s.

    Greek leaders said that despite their latest bailout of 130 billion euros, or $161.7 billion, they face a shortfall of 1.7 billion euros because tax revenue and other sources of potential income are drying up. A wrenching recession and harsh budget cuts have left businesses and individuals with less and less to give for taxes — and growing incentive to avoid paying what they owe.

    The budget gap is widening as the so-called troika of lenders — the International Monetary Fund, the European Central Bank and the European Commission — withholds 1 billion euros in bailout money earmarked for government financing while it waits to see whether new leaders elected June 17 will honor Greece’s commitments.

    Even if the troika delivers that money, Greece will struggle to cover its obligations. It underscored a harsh reality that is playing out in other troubled euro zone economies. Prolonged austerity is making it harder, not easier, for governments like Greece to become self-reliant again.

    A top Spanish official acknowledged on Tuesday that Spain could not readily return to the markets to raise money because investors are demanding such high rates, highlighting how the debt crisis is spreading to larger economies in Europe.

    Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany said a day earlier that European leaders needed to find a way to create the political union that the world is looking for to complement their monetary union. European officials took a small step in that direction Tuesday by proposing a central authority for banking regulation, which would require countries to give up a bit of cherished sovereignty.

    An essential element of Greece’s recovery plan has been to collect more taxes from a population that has long engaged in tax avoidance. The government is owed 45 billion euros in back taxes, tax officials in Athens said, only a fraction of which will ever be recovered.

    To understand the difficulty, just talk to Nikos Maitos, a longtime official in Greece’s financial crimes investigation unit.

    When he and a team of inspectors recently prowled the recession-hit island of Naxos for tax evaders, a local radio station broadcast his license plate number to warn residents.
    “One repercussion of the crisis is that people are harder to find,” Mr. Maitos, an imposing, burly man, said last week in his sweltering office on the edge of Athens. “And when you do find them, they don’t have money.”

    Even tax collectors, who have had to take large pay cuts, find that budget reductions make it hard to pay for the gasoline needed to reach their targets.

    “After two and a half years of austerity, it’s really a difficult time to bring in revenue,” said Harry Theoharis, a senior official in the Greek Finance Ministry who helps oversee the country’s tax payment system. “You can’t keep flogging a dead horse.”
    Salaries and pensions in the private and the public sectors have been cut by up to 50 percent, leaving Greece 495 million euros short of its revenue targets in the four months ended in April, according to the Greek Finance Ministry. With less cash, consumers have curbed spending, leading thousands of taxpaying businesses to fail.
    Income expected from a higher, 23 percent value-added tax required by the bailout agreement has fallen short by around 800 million euros in the first four months of 2012. That is partly because cash-short businesses that were once law-abiding have started hiding money to stay afloat, tax officials said.

    Greece’s General Accounting Office said recently that the state collected 25 percent less revenue in May than it did a year earlier. And the state has had to slash its goal of raising 50 billion euros from privatizations to just 3 billion euros as foreign investors lose interest.

    That has left a caretaker government scrambling for a Plan B. One thought is to take billions of euros reserved for recapitalizing Greek banks, which have suffered from a flight of deposits amid political uncertainty and fears that Greece may abandon the euro for its own currency. But using that money would require the troika’s approval. Other notions, like i.o.u.’s and scrip, so far are only that — ideas.

    To some extent, government officials said the tax-avoiding mentality is starting to change amid an aggressive enforcement campaign aimed at 500 wealthy individuals and companies, including former ministers and heads of state agencies and enterprises. People took notice in April when a former defense minister was arrested on charges of corruption and making false declarations related to his income and taxes.

    “They are awed when they see inspectors now because of recent cases showing people will be prosecuted or made to pay,” Mr. Maitos said.

    Tax collectors got another potential lift recently when the government started enforcing a 1995 law that gives them access to bank accounts of suspected tax evaders.

    But Nikos Lekkas, a top official at the financial crimes agency where Mr. Maitos works, said Greek banks had obstructed nearly 5,000 requests for account data since 2010.
    “The banks delay sending the information for 8 to 12 months,” he said. “And when they do, they send huge stacks of documents to make it confusing. By the time we can follow up, much of the money has already fled.”

    In the past two years, the agency managed to assess back taxes worth 650 million euros on 210 of the cases, he said. But only 65 percent could be collected.

    One challenge lies in what Mr. Lekkas calls the big fish — 18,300 offshore businesses belonging to wealthy Greek individuals and companies. Authorities are trying to trace the owners through property records, and they recently seized several large properties linked to offshore companies whose owners owe tens of millions of euros to the state.
    That leaves collectors having to go after mostly smaller tax evaders, often with mixed results.

    During a surveillance trip on the resort island of Santorini, Mr. Maitos said he and two colleagues observed a gas station owner insisting on cash-only transactions to avoid declaring taxes. When confronted, the man lashed at them with a bullwhip while cursing the state for taking his money.

    Officials said things might improve drastically once Greece’s entire tax system is computerized, a move that is supposed to be completed by the end of this year.
    Charalambos Nikolakopoulos, the head of the Greek tax collectors’ union, said there was no need for outsiders to straighten things out.

    “Yes, we need change,” Mr. Nikolakopoulos said. “But things will only improve in Greece when we get a stable government that will impose its political will.”

    Niki Kitsantonis contributed reporting from Athens and Paul Geitner from Brussels.

  15. #975
    GOD 's testament of spirit and soul salvation did'nt declare any monetary pleads since from HIS old Sacred testament. And, this really enlightened me spiritually so deep within now that am only surviving from hand to mouth existence.

    v v v v v
    isa 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not?
    hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

    isa 52:3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.

    isa 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
    ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
    A highly critical Spiritual Words of GOD shared by the littlest child within our midst that indeed threatened all religions, faiths and proliferating beliefs till at this point in time that fully or otherwise indirectly depend for monetary and financial support or kinds to maintain their so-called existence.

    And, for the converted little children to persevere up to their last breath to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

    matt 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye
    be converted, and become as little children, ye
    shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    psalm 56:10

  16. #976
    Reiterate, and reiterating.....
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    Matching current events with the literally interpreted Words of GOD ?

    Here are two with tragic end results:

    from Ishaan Tahroor v v The Anabaptists of Munster
    http://img.timeinc.net/time/2011/top...abaptism.jpgIn the tumultuous years that followed the Protestant Reformation, myriad radical sects emerged, preaching an apocalyptic, millenarianist creed that perturbed even theological dissidents like Martin Luther. The Anabaptists derived their name from the Latin for "one who baptizes over again" and rejected most forms of political organization and social hierarchy in favor of an idealized theocratic commonwealth. In the 1530s, riding on a crest of peasant revolts, a clutch of Anabaptists assumed control of the German town of Munster and hailed it as a New Jerusalem awaiting the return of Christ.

    But the situation in Munster was far from the ideal Christian commonwealth. Jan Bockelson, a tailor from the Dutch city of Leiden, declared himself the "Messiah of the last days," took multiple wives, issued coins that prophesied the coming apocalypse and in general made life hell for everyone in the city (except for a few fellow proselytizers who lived lavishly — and, according to some accounts, in a great state of debauch). The Anabaptists' hold over Munster ended in a bloody siege in 1535. Bockelson's genitals reportedly were nailed to the city's gates.

    The Branch Davidians
    http://img.timeinc.net/time/2011/top...dians.jpgDavid Koresh led his Branch Davidian sect, an unsanctioned offshoot of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, to its doom in a compound near Waco, Texas, in 1993. How did he do that? He convinced his followers that he was Christ and that they should hole up at what was called the Mount Carmel Center to prepare for the end of the world. Their ideas were based on the beliefs of an earlier Adventist splinter group.

    When authorities learned that the Branch Davidians were allegedly holding a trove of weapons on the site and that there were possibly instances of abuse of women and children, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives executed a search on the compound in February 1993. The Davidians fought back; four agents were killed as well as six members of the sect. Koresh persuaded his followers to remain at Mount Carmel and refuse to surrender. For 50 days, a tense standoff ensued. On April 19, the FBI stormed the compound, a fire erupted (the source of which is still debated), and dozens of Davidians, including Koresh, died in the building. > > > from Frances Romero
    Quote Originally Posted by rsyel View Post
    tiburcioSais:

    If we are reading books like of literature, science, arts, etc., we should also reading the Bible or the Holy Scriptures. There are words which are literal and there are words which are symbolical. Compare... And we should read the events... And we should know how to read between the lines. And then we will know there is someone out there...


    ...else we will end with tragic results.
    GOD's written Words to be read, understood, discerned or interpreted literally, symbolically, and just read them in between the lines feeding only the physical aspect ?

    here as a testimony:
    My past dark inner spirit was lighted up after reading the Bible not with a former open literally doctrinated mind but now in deep humility as a spiritually converted little child. This highly spirited foundation stemmed from what i had read on one of the threads here.

    The fellas there are writing/sharing in spiritual humility that GOD's written Words are first and foremost to be spiritually discerned from the light of HIS scriptures upon scriptures: precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, there a little:

    I was ejected fully out of my former religiosity just morality box after having read this isaiah 28:10. First time i have came upon this GOD's written Words nullifying the contextual searching of HIS written Scriptures that led to pitfalls of so much proliferated faiths, ages upon ages.

    But, with HIS permissive Will, HE bestowed upon all human beings the free will whether to search ardently GOD's Truth or not - first and foremost within the deep realm of Spiritual Truth rather solely thru the literal, philosophical, logical or self-serving historical basis.


    best impact of these disasters in pictures:

    The January 12, 2010 Haiti earthquake aftermath with a registered magnitude 7.0 on Richter scale.


    Conservative estimate of 230,000 people died and left almost 1,000,000 homeless.


    Unclaimed dead bodies were left on the streets of Port-au-Prince in the still undetermined
    passing days of the earthquake aftermath.



    Cemeteries at Port-au-Prince were all fully loaded but dead bodies kept on coming.

  17. #977
    Dapat sumunod ang tao kay Cristo at isa sa mga utos ni Cristo ang pagsunod sa batas ng gobyerno. Dapat sumunod ang tao sa batas, mga batas na hindi labag sa batas ng Dios. Ganito ang mga taong nasa tamang relihiyon, mga totoong Kristiano, masunurin sa batas (maging si Cristo ay masunurin sa batas), hindi iyong masuwayin sa batas dahil ang pagsuway sa batas ay ikapapahamak at magdudulot ng salot sa lupa. Kahit sabihin na matalino at mayaman ang tao ngunit wala sa tamang relihiyon, hindi maliligtas.

    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    GOD's written Words to be read, understood, discerned or interpreted literally, symbolically, and just read them in between the lines feeding only the physical aspect ?
    Just reading the written words in the bible is not enough to understand the meaning of it for God sends messenger in order for men to be a true believer and accept the true faith.

    Kahit nagbabasa pa ng Bibliya kapag hindi kabilang sa tunay na iglesia, hindi mauunawaan ang nakasulat sa Banal na Aklat... sapagkat ang kaalaman ng katotohanan ay ipinagkaloob lamang sa mga anak ng Dios na tunay nakikilala ang tunay na Dios na nasa loob ng tunay na iglesia. Ang mga nasa labas nito ay mga maling relihiyon (Katolisismo, Protestantismo at lahat ng ayaw maniwala sa Banal na Kasulatan, ang Biblia) na ikapapahamak ng tao. NASA KAGULUHAN.

    Ang bansang Greece ay sinasalot. Nasa tamang relihiyon ba ang bansang Greece?

    http://www.kwintessential.co.uk/arti...-in-Greece/412

    Religion in Greece
    *
    97% of the Greek population celebrate the Orthodox religion whilst Muslim, Roman Catholic and Jewish make up most of the remaining religions.

    Greece and Russia are the only countries to adopt the Orthodox religion, which forms the largest branch of Christianity outside of the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant Church.

    The Orthodox religion is said to have its roots in history from the time of Constantine the Great who, it is purported, saw a vision of the cross.


    In the 8th Century the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church and the Patriarch of Constantinople came into conflict with one another and this led to the separation of the two religions, a period in history known as the Schism.

    The Greek Orthodox Church in Greece is a rich religion characterized by festivals and Saints days throughout the year. Food plays a key role in Greek society particularly in respect of their Orthodox religion with fasting and feasting throughout the religious calendar in Greece.

    The women of Greece prepare the food for the Saints day celebrations which are like birthdays. Many Greeks are named after Orthodox saints and children traditionally do not celebrate their own birthdays but that of the Saint after whom they are named. *Name day celebrations do not involve present giving but open house to family and neighbours who wish to give good wishes where they will be provided with sweets and other refreshments.

    Easter is the most important Festival in Greece, which is preceded by a pre Lenten festival known as ‘Clean Monday’. Greece being a matriarchal society, the women are often the caretakers of the religious observance of fasting and have even been known to fast in their husbands place during the 40 days of lent if the latter are unable to sustain their obligation to the Religion.

    During holy week the Churches in Greece are decorated in black. On Good Friday the women traditionally decorate Christ’s bier which they then carry through the streets singing hymns. On the Saturday before Easter Sunday, in this very important time in the religious calendar, the Churches are decorated in white. *At midnight Greek Churches and chapels are plunged into darkness and the priest lights a candle to represent the resurrection of Christ. The congregation then light their own candles and this is followed by breaking their fast with Easter soup. *

    Next to Easter, The Assumption of the Virgin on August 15th is an important festival in the calendar of the Orthodox religion all over Greece when the icon of the Madonna is paraded through the streets. This is followed by communal feasting and partying which can go on for days.

    There is no doubt that the Greek Orthodox religion plays a very important role in the lives of its people. The visitor to Greece will be welcomed into their celebrations and cannot fail to feel the spirit of their religion as expressed by their festivals.
    Last edited by rsyel; Jun 8, 2012 at 05:12 PM.

  18. #978
    Quote Originally Posted by rsyel View Post
    Just reading the written words in the bible is not enough to understand the meaning of it for God sends messenger in order for men to be a true believer and accept the true faith.
    Ohh, just reading again.

    Please, do bear and track back on post #976 of this thread of yours.

    Messenger ?

    GOD ' s Written words solely exemplify a messenger not to preach or declare never to involve money/financial or any kinds of support as either indirectly or covertly collected/accumulated.

    The free-will bestowed to any human being in accepting the written Words of GOD as a converted little child is one of the ways to enter HIS Kingdom.

    matthew 18:3

  19. #979
    God's written words in the Holy Book could be understand with the help of messengers of God who preach the true gospel and the way of salvation. In our time, the way of salvation is to enter Christ thru his body the church, the church of Christ. According to the law written in the Bible, an adult (not an infant or a baby or a child) must be a baptized member and the sins will be forgiven as clean as a child because Jesus Christ bought the church with his own blood. Monetary offerings are commanded by God to use for worship services and for propagation of his words in the whole world in order for everybody to have a chance to hear God's words for salvation come judgement day.

    But before judgment day are the ends of the world. And one of the signs is drying up of the Babylon rivers. One of these is the Orthodox Church...

    http://www.rferl.org/content/sole_or...d/9501426.html

    Sole Orthodox Church In Southern Tajik District Closed

    April 21, 2011
    KHATLON, Tajikistan, -- The local authorities in a district in southern Tajikistan have closed its only Orthodox church, RFE/RL's Tajik Service reports.

    Local official Dilbar Nurova said on April 20 that the church in the Jaloliddin Rumi district of Khatlon Province was closed because it was not officially registered.

    She said the congregation had submitted a registration application, but it was rejected because of "some shortcomings."

    Nurova said that when the congregation submits a revised application, the church will be registered and they will be able to worship there. She noted that three local mosques have also been closed and must reregister.

    Lyudmila Khojaeva, who heads the Union of Russian Speakers in Khatlon Province, said that closing the church just before Easter, one of the most important Christian festivals, is a blow to local Orthodox Christians. She said the authorities should have allowed more time to prepare the application for registration.

    Russians are believed to account for 3-5 percent of Tajikistan's population of 7.3 million people.

    The registration of new places of worship and the registration of existing mosques and churches is mandatory under the controversial law on religion passed in 2009.

    That law has served as the rationale for closing mosques and some churches. During the first three months of 2011, 229 mosques were closed in Khatlon Province alone.

  20. #980
    Quote Originally Posted by rsyel View Post
    God's written words in the Holy Book could be understand with the help of messengers of God who preach the true gospel and the way of salvation. In our time, the way of salvation is to enter Christ thru his body the church, the church of Christ. According to the law written in the Bible, an adult (not an infant or a baby or a child) must be a baptized member and the sins will be forgiven as clean as a child because Jesus Christ bought the church with his own blood. Monetary offerings are commanded by God to use for worship services and for propagation of his words in the whole world in order for everybody to have a chance to hear God's words for salvation come judgement day.

    But before judgment day are the ends of the world. And one of the signs is drying up of the Babylon rivers. One of these is the Orthodox Church...
    }isaiah 28:10 }} {{
    GOD ' s Divine guidance on Revelations of Spiritual Truth from HIS written Words.

    JESUS CHRIST written Words as the only Way wrote by john on 13:15 "For I have given you an example," and on 1 peter's 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:, had been bypassed by so-called self-appointed/anointed preachers/messengers thru the ages.

    only the judge:
    john 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

    48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    And, the stern warnings that were ignored and discarded either unconsciously or intentionally thru literal, philosophical/logical, word for word/contextual interpretations by their so-called faith founders and leaders:
    v v v v v
    revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    and this from paul of tarsus:
    2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

    because it is written :
    john 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

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