Why I Stand Against RH Bill

[filipinowanderer]

Everyone That Is Pro-rh Bill Has Two Things In Common. They Keep Saying That "the Bill Will Help Minimize The Number Of Filipino Population" And They Kept Mentioning The Word, "poor."

People, Let Me Tell You This, If It's Okay With You That Your Taxes Will Be Used To Fund These Contraceptives Instead Of Using It For Infrastructures And Other Necessary Projects That Will Benefit The Majority Specifically The "poor," Then I Guess That Would Be Alot Better, Right?

Please People, If You Will Read The Bill, The Word "poor" Has Been Used For A Couple Of Times - Directly Or Indirectly. Why Are You So Demoralizing The Poor? So You're Thinking That If This Bill Be Passed, There Would Be Lesser "poor" In The Country. Come On! That's Not Fair!

By The Way, Remember What God's Promise Is? "blessed Are The Poor For Their's Is The Kingdom Of God."

I'm Not Saying Let's Be Poor To Be In Heaven, What I'm Trying To Say Is, It Is By Being Poor That Everybody Is Being Humbled. So Please Stop Using The Poor To Give Justice To Your Arguments. After All, If You'll Go Deeper, Go Beyond, We Are All Poor. No One Is Rich.

The Almighty Made These People Rich For Them To Have The Capability To Help The Poor, And Not Look Down On Them As If Saying, "uy Mag-condom Ka Kasi Baka Mag-anak Ka Na Naman, Dadami Na Naman Kayong Mahihirap."

Stop Acting As If You Really Care For These People, Because You're Not. If You Truly Care For This People, Then Why Not Help Them Raise Their Social Status By Giving Them Work Instead Of Giving Them Condoms?

We Are All Sinners. No One Is Holy Here. We Only Differ On One Thing, Some Choose To Follow Holiness While Others Try To Think That They Are The Kings And Queens Of The World.

Stop! Just Stop Saying Bad Things About The Church. By The Way, When We Say Church, It Does Not Only Refer To The Catholic Church, It Just Happen That It Has Been Tagged With The Catholics Since Most Of The People Here Are Catholics.

Stop! Just Stop Saying That These People Who Are Anti-rh Bill Does Not Know What The Bill Is All About. Hey, We Are Fighting Not Because We Are Idiots. We Are Because We Did Read, Seen, And Understood What The Bill Is All About. That Is Mainly The Reason Why We Are Opposing.

Also, Stop Your Argumentation About The Separation Of State And Church. One Cannot Stand Alone. Hey, It's Like Body And Soul. Do You Think Your Body Can Do Its Duties Without Its Soul?

If You Truly Care For This Country, Rh Bill Is Not The Right Way To Show You Care. It Is By Being Just, By Doing What Is Just, By Being Good To Your Fellow That Shows You Truly Care.

It Is Not By Giving Condoms That Shows You Care. It Is By Uplifting Our "poor" Fellows Morale, And Not Insulting Them.

Now I Say To All Of You Who Are Saying That They Are Masters Of This Bill, Go Read, See, And Understand The Bill. Read It Over And Over Again Until You Could Finally Attest That You've Read And Understood.

And By The Way, As You Read That Bill, Check And Read The Laws Of The Church (bible) And The Laws Of This Country (constitution).

[Celynne]

The population control is not versus birthing per se. It is against. IRRESPONSIBLE BIRTHING.

I am sick and tired of people trying to make it appear as if the RH Bill will affect them directly in a negative way. Honestly, if you were raised by your parents PROPERLY, you really don't need to worry about ANYTHING on this bill. Common sense at disiplina lang iyan. Yung mga natatakot na mabubuntis yung anak nila ng maaga dahil sa sex education eh hindi dahil sa RH Bill iyan dahil iyan sa WALANG KWENTANG MAGULANG!

The Catholic Church had around 500 years to teach RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD to Filipinos but they FAILED! Siguro kung lahat ng mga Pilipino sa Pilipinas, eh miyembro ng INC or siguro ng Jehovah's witnesses, wala sigurong problemang ganito.

Pabor ba ang INC at Jehovah's witness sa RH Bill? Hindi lang naka-focus sa kanila ang media.

[pangasar]

Everyone That Is Pro-rh Bill Has Two Things In Common. They Keep Saying That "the Bill Will Help Minimize The Number Of Filipino Population" And They Kept Mentioning The Word, "poor."

People, Let Me Tell You This, If It's Okay With You That Your Taxes Will Be Used To Fund These Contraceptives Instead Of Using It For Infrastructures And Other Necessary Projects That Will Benefit The Majority Specifically The "poor," Then I Guess That Would Be Alot Better, Right?

Please People, If You Will Read The Bill, The Word "poor" Has Been Used For A Couple Of Times - Directly Or Indirectly. Why Are You So Demoralizing The Poor? So You're Thinking That If This Bill Be Passed, There Would Be Lesser "poor" In The Country. Come On! That's Not Fair!

By The Way, Remember What God's Promise Is? "blessed Are The Poor For Their's Is The Kingdom Of God."

I'm Not Saying Let's Be Poor To Be In Heaven, What I'm Trying To Say Is, It Is By Being Poor That Everybody Is Being Humbled. So Please Stop Using The Poor To Give Justice To Your Arguments. After All, If You'll Go Deeper, Go Beyond, We Are All Poor. No One Is Rich.

The Almighty Made These People Rich For Them To Have The Capability To Help The Poor, And Not Look Down On Them As If Saying, "uy Mag-condom Ka Kasi Baka Mag-anak Ka Na Naman, Dadami Na Naman Kayong Mahihirap."

Stop Acting As If You Really Care For These People, Because You're Not. If You Truly Care For This People, Then Why Not Help Them Raise Their Social Status By Giving Them Work Instead Of Giving Them Condoms?

We Are All Sinners. No One Is Holy Here. We Only Differ On One Thing, Some Choose To Follow Holiness While Others Try To Think That They Are The Kings And Queens Of The World.

Stop! Just Stop Saying Bad Things About The Church. By The Way, When We Say Church, It Does Not Only Refer To The Catholic Church, It Just Happen That It Has Been Tagged With The Catholics Since Most Of The People Here Are Catholics.

Stop! Just Stop Saying That These People Who Are Anti-rh Bill Does Not Know What The Bill Is All About. Hey, We Are Fighting Not Because We Are Idiots. We Are Because We Did Read, Seen, And Understood What The Bill Is All About. That Is Mainly The Reason Why We Are Opposing.

Also, Stop Your Argumentation About The Separation Of State And Church. One Cannot Stand Alone. Hey, It's Like Body And Soul. Do You Think Your Body Can Do Its Duties Without Its Soul?

If You Truly Care For This Country, Rh Bill Is Not The Right Way To Show You Care. It Is By Being Just, By Doing What Is Just, By Being Good To Your Fellow That Shows You Truly Care.

It Is Not By Giving Condoms That Shows You Care. It Is By Uplifting Our "poor" Fellows Morale, And Not Insulting Them.

Now I Say To All Of You Who Are Saying That They Are Masters Of This Bill, Go Read, See, And Understand The Bill. Read It Over And Over Again Until You Could Finally Attest That You've Read And Understood.

And By The Way, As You Read That Bill, Check And Read The Laws Of The Church (bible) And The Laws Of This Country (constitution).

Simpleng tanong lang:

Nasan ba nakatira yang mga "poor" na iyan? Sa mga squatter's area di ba?

Ano ang squatter's area, mga lupa na tinitirhan ng mga mahihirap pero hindi kanilang pag ma-may-ari.

Saan itatayo ang mga "Infrastructures And Other Necessary Projects " na sinasabi mo kung occupied na ng mga poor people and pagtatayuan ng proyekto?

Now, kung ang mga poor people na ito ay walang alam kundi mag-anak ng anak at walang kakayahang buhayin ang mga ito, dahil hindi sila binigyan ng kaukulang impormasyon about responsible parenting, contraception options, sakit na dulot ng unprotected sex etc etc (PLEASE READ THE WHOLE RH BILL) syempre saan sila titira? Sa mga lupang hindi kanila also known as squatter's area.

Ganto ng ganto lamang ang mangyayari sa Pilipinas hanggang sa halos ang bubuo ng Pilipinas ay puro na MANGMANG na mahihirap.

Mga hindi nagbabayad ng buwis, lugar kung saan nanduon ang mga rapist, magnanakaw at mga gun for hire. Rugby kids, namamalimos at mga nagtitinda ng kung ano ano sa kalye para mabuhay.

Ano na magiging kinabukasan ng Pilipinas sa tingin mo?

[nikkilove]

So you consider every sexual act to produce babies?

PATHETIC!

Paano kung hindi mabuo, then you are a sinner kasi sinayang mo ang sperm cell at egg cell

You consider them babies? Hahaha...

So having a menstruation is a sin

Anti-RH is not pro-Life. it is pro-ignorance. Pro-religious fanaticism. Pro-poverty. Pro-irresponsibility. Pro-day dreaming. Pro-hypocrisy (just see how many pro-lifers including priests can't even practice what they preach). Most of those mouthing Pro-Life anti-RH messages didn't even bother to read the RH bill, didn't even bother to listen and understand the other point of views and didn't bother to think for themselves. oh wait, pro-high academic grades din pala even at the expense of personal integrity and character.

let's put this logically with this kind of analogy...

if you frequently have wet dreams, does that mean you commit sin everytime you sleep? that's serial killing already or "mass murder" (we're talking about millions of sperm in one squirt) to be exact. wet dreams are uncontrollable and pre-teens should be sentenced to death.

now back to science...

menses or menstruation... are "dead" egg cells because no sperm had fertilized them. if you say having menses is not a sin.... then it would be contradicting kasi pinabayaan ng babae mamatay ang itlog nya. that would be murder... again serial killing kasi monthly ang pattern.

food for thought...

would you consider artificial insemination "holy"? comparatively, it would be close to immaculate conception... sperm and egg meet and produces a new life without the wonders of sex.

The population control is not versus birthing per se. It is against. IRRESPONSIBLE BIRTHING.

I am sick and tired of people trying to make it appear as if the RH Bill will affect them directly in a negative way. Honestly, if you were raised by your parents PROPERLY, you really don't need to worry about ANYTHING on this bill. Common sense at disiplina lang iyan. Yung mga natatakot na mabubuntis yung anak nila ng maaga dahil sa sex education eh hindi dahil sa RH Bill iyan dahil iyan sa WALANG KWENTANG MAGULANG!

The Catholic Church had around 500 years to teach RESPONSIBLE PARENTHOOD to Filipinos but they FAILED! Siguro kung lahat ng mga Pilipino sa Pilipinas, eh miyembro ng INC or siguro ng Jehovah's witnesses, wala sigurong problemang ganito.

Simpleng tanong lang:

Nasan ba nakatira yang mga "poor" na iyan? Sa mga squatter's area di ba?

Ano ang squatter's area, mga lupa na tinitirhan ng mga mahihirap pero hindi kanilang pag ma-may-ari.

Saan itatayo ang mga "Infrastructures And Other Necessary Projects " na sinasabi mo kung occupied na ng mga poor people and pagtatayuan ng proyekto?

Now, kung ang mga poor people na ito ay walang alam kundi mag-anak ng anak at walang kakayahang buhayin ang mga ito, dahil hindi sila binigyan ng kaukulang impormasyon about responsible parenting, contraception options, sakit na dulot ng unprotected sex etc etc (PLEASE THE WHOLE RH BILL) syempre saan sila titira? Sa mga lupang hindi kanila also known as squatter's area.

Ganto ng ganto lamang ang mangyayari sa Pilipinas hanggang sa halos ang bubuo ng Pilipinas ay puro na MANGMANG na mahihirap.

Mga hindi nagbabayad ng buwis, lugar kung saan nanduon ang mga rapist, magnanakaw at mga gun for hire. Rugby kids, namamalimos at mga nagtitinda ng kung ano ano sa kalye para mabuhay.

Ano na magiging kinabukasan ng Pilipinas sa tingin mo?

every intelligent argument on this matter was already laid down before them, the problem is they're not reading what we've said. We've been arguing in circles with them. They ask the same questions we have been already answering over and over re. the RH bill.

Some people are used to the sight of hungry children begging on the streets and digging in piles of garbage to make a living and to them unplanned pregnancies aren't the culprit. We can't convince them, they've made up their mind.

Nevertheless, the RH bill must be implemented asap.

[Celynne]

^The TS posted his arguments point by point.

"Respect for, protection and fulfillment of reproductive health and rights seek to promote the rights and welfare of couples, adult individuals, women and adolescents."

-rights of couples, yes. rights of adult individuals, so-so. adolescents? oh my, please! who wants their adoloscent kids to have sex as much as they want to because they have this bill allowing them of their "right?" if you intend to teach these kids really, teach them to be moral according to the teachings of the Church and not the teachings of the state.

"The provision of medically safe, legal, accessible, affordable and effective reproductive health care services and supplies is essential in the promotion of people’s right to health, especially of the poor and marginalized."

-yeah right, poor again. you are using the poor again. "Medically safe?" Then how come countries like Japan suffers with such a high rate of AIDS when in fact they are using condoms and other types of contraceptives? Then why does the International Agency for Research on Cancer says that oral contraceptives are considered as part of the First Group or carcinogens (or those that causes cancer)?

"While this Act recognizes that abortion is illegal and punishable by law, the government shall ensure that all women needing care for post-abortion complications shall be treated and counseled in a humane, non-judgmental and compassionate manner."

-"...needing care for post-abortion complications...." i think there's something with this statement. On the first part you're saying you recognize that abortion is illegal, and yet on the latter part, you mentioned about treating post-abortion. Isn't that a clear implication that it is actually pro-abortion? Hmmm...

"The State likewise guarantees universal access to medically-safe, legal, affordable, effective and quality reproductive health care services, methods, devices, supplies and relevant information and education thereon even as it prioritizes the needs of women and children, among other underprivileged sectors."

-"Universal access," does that mean we can buy contraceptives anytime, anywhere? Like, without the doctor's prescription? So that means, teens could buy it and enjoy the pleasure of engaging to sex? Wow!

"Each province and city, with the assistance of the DOH, shall establish or upgrade hospitals with adequate and qualified personnel, equipment and supplies to be able to provide emergency obstetric and neonatal care. For every 500,000 population, there shall be at least one (1) hospital with comprehensive emergency obstetric and neonatal care and four (4) hospitals or other health facilities with basic emergency obstetric and neonatal care; Provided, That people in geographically isolated and depressed areas shall be provided the same level of access."

-are you kidding? let's face it, at these times, you are not providing "the same level of access" already, so how sure are the people that you will really use the money to "establish or upgrade hospitals with adequate and qualified personnel, equipment and supplies?"

"...PhilHealth shall pay for the full cost of family planning."

-Does that mean, we need to pay extra for this new service that they will offer? Hmmm... Shall there be an assurance that everyone will get the said benefit when they want to?

"Products and supplies for modern family planning methods shall be part of the National Drug Formulary and the same shall be included in the regular purchase of essential medicines and supplies of all national and local hospitals and other government health units."

-"Regular purchace?" So it really means it's gonna be accessible! Really! WOW! I wonder where these people's conscience are. No, I am not holy, but yes, I have conscience - at least.

"A multi-dimensional approach shall be adopted in the implementation of policies and programs to fight poverty."

-Sounds nice, but i believe this bill is NOT the answer to eliminate poverty in this country. Many times that the word "poor" have been used, but are this really for the poor? Shall this bill really fight poverty or give another room for corruption in the government? People, stop using the poor. Please!

"All serious and life threatening reproductive health conditions such as HIV and AIDS, breast and reproductive tract cancers, obstetric complications, menopausal and post-menopausal related conditions shall be given the maximum benefits as provided by PhilHealth programs."

-Good but funny. Should we wait until a lot of women suffer from the effects of these contraceptives later on or should we stop it now? Remember, pills are GROUP 1 of carcinogens or those that leads greater chances of cancer.

"Age-appropriate Reproductive Health and Sexuality Education shall be taught by adequately trained teachers in formal and non-formal educational system starting from Grade Five up to Fourth Year High School using life skills and other approaches."

-Hmmm... I think I have to oppose to the age bracket. I remember seeing then the proposed module/booklet that the educators will be using when teaching sex education. I guess that was years ago. I saw it on TV. I felt disgusted. Come on! Did you see the illustrations of those booklets? That was really leading kids to curiousity and not otherwise. I still believe that sex should be taught in a more appropriate manner and in a more appropriate age bracket, or best, let parents educated their kids. That is their role anyway.

"Prohibition: Any healthcare service provider, whether public or private, who shall: Refuse to extend health care services and information on account of the person’s marital status, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, personal circumstances, or nature of work."

-So even kids could ask for it. It's clear, regardless of age. I wonder how you could take a let's say, 13 years old asking about sex education. Wow! Another probition:

"Any person who maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent or provisions of this Act."

-So what if, I am an individual who would tell my kids what is right according to what I believe in, which is against RH, and my kids, knowing the "law" (as taught in their schools) would tell authorities about it, does that mean I am already doing something against the "law," therefore i shall be imprisoned? Yes.

For further reference, the RH bill is actually violating the law. As the law says:

" The State recognizes the sanctity of family life and shall protect and strengthen the family as a basic autonomous social institution." (1987 Phil. Constitution Art. II Sec. 12)

-The human life starts when the sperm fuses the egg cell. There are contraceptives that are taken after sex, which means, after the meeting of the egg and the sperm. Thus, preventing that fertilized egg to fully develop. Note that ones the sperm and the egg unites, it is already considered as human as it already have 46 chromosomes (23 from male sperm, 23 from female egg), which is the requirement to complete a human being. Therefore, abortion is obtained.

"Pursuant to the natural right and duty of parents over the person and property of their unemancipated children, parental authority and responsibility shall include the caring for and rearing them for civic consciousness and efficiency and the development of their moral, mental and physical character and well-being" (Philippine Family Code Article 209)

-When this law passes, parents will no longer be in authority towards teaching their kids what is right - as per sex education is concern. For it is when parents teach their kids to do otherwise, they will be faced by the jurisdiction of the said law.

[nikkilove]

he posted it according to his biased interpretation, that's why you leave it to the experts to handle such details, those health workers and teachers would be trained.

like what we said, children are already exposed to the media. one click using the mouse, and a porn site pops put. SO we'd just leave it to them, aantayun nating umamin ang mga bata that they've been watching porn sites so the parents can educate them. Children are naturally curious, and it would be more disastrous if they're not properly guided.

every detail of the TS's arguments has been dealt with.

[kuroihikari]

The bill is not about judging the poor. It's about accepting the fact that we cannot provide the basic needs of our quickly growing population anymore and doing something about it.

Our population is undernourished, undereducated, and undersheltered. And its still growing at a pace that we cannot support anymore. It's not a problem we can set aside any longer.

I challenge these anti-RH bill people: What solution do you have for our uncontrolled population growth? Education on abstinence? Di ba you've been trying that for decades na, and it simply doesn't work. So unless you can give an alternative solution, then accept the fact that this can help solve that problem.

[grim_reaper1814]

Pabor ba ang INC at Jehovah's witness sa RH Bill? Hindi lang naka-focus sa kanila ang media.

I believe the RH Bill is irrelevant to them. Hindi nila prinoproblema iyan kasi their church is very involved in their lives. Wala pa akong nakitang INC or Jehovah member na nag anak ng sampu at nakatira sa squatter pinapalimos ang anak sa kalsada.

[jpd74]

at least may naitutulong ang inc or jehova sa kanilang miyembro di katulad na catholic church na puro dakdak lang at magaling humingi ng abuloy pero walang paki sa mahihirap

[grim_reaper1814]

Everyone That Is Pro-rh Bill Has Two Things In Common. They Keep Saying That "the Bill Will Help Minimize The Number Of Filipino Population" And They Kept Mentioning The Word, "poor."

People, Let Me Tell You This, If It's Okay With You That Your Taxes Will Be Used To Fund These Contraceptives Instead Of Using It For Infrastructures And Other Necessary Projects That Will Benefit The Majority Specifically The "poor," Then I Guess That Would Be Alot Better, Right?

Please People, If You Will Read The Bill, The Word "poor" Has Been Used For A Couple Of Times - Directly Or Indirectly. Why Are You So Demoralizing The Poor? So You're Thinking That If This Bill Be Passed, There Would Be Lesser "poor" In The Country. Come On! That's Not Fair!

By The Way, Remember What God's Promise Is? "blessed Are The Poor For Their's Is The Kingdom Of God."

I'm Not Saying Let's Be Poor To Be In Heaven, What I'm Trying To Say Is, It Is By Being Poor That Everybody Is Being Humbled. So Please Stop Using The Poor To Give Justice To Your Arguments. After All, If You'll Go Deeper, Go Beyond, We Are All Poor. No One Is Rich.

The Almighty Made These People Rich For Them To Have The Capability To Help The Poor, And Not Look Down On Them As If Saying, "uy Mag-condom Ka Kasi Baka Mag-anak Ka Na Naman, Dadami Na Naman Kayong Mahihirap."

Stop Acting As If You Really Care For These People, Because You're Not. If You Truly Care For This People, Then Why Not Help Them Raise Their Social Status By Giving Them Work Instead Of Giving Them Condoms?

We Are All Sinners. No One Is Holy Here. We Only Differ On One Thing, Some Choose To Follow Holiness While Others Try To Think That They Are The Kings And Queens Of The World.

Stop! Just Stop Saying Bad Things About The Church. By The Way, When We Say Church, It Does Not Only Refer To The Catholic Church, It Just Happen That It Has Been Tagged With The Catholics Since Most Of The People Here Are Catholics.

Stop! Just Stop Saying That These People Who Are Anti-rh Bill Does Not Know What The Bill Is All About. Hey, We Are Fighting Not Because We Are Idiots. We Are Because We Did Read, Seen, And Understood What The Bill Is All About. That Is Mainly The Reason Why We Are Opposing.

Also, Stop Your Argumentation About The Separation Of State And Church. One Cannot Stand Alone. Hey, It's Like Body And Soul. Do You Think Your Body Can Do Its Duties Without Its Soul?

If You Truly Care For This Country, Rh Bill Is Not The Right Way To Show You Care. It Is By Being Just, By Doing What Is Just, By Being Good To Your Fellow That Shows You Truly Care.

It Is Not By Giving Condoms That Shows You Care. It Is By Uplifting Our "poor" Fellows Morale, And Not Insulting Them.

Now I Say To All Of You Who Are Saying That They Are Masters Of This Bill, Go Read, See, And Understand The Bill. Read It Over And Over Again Until You Could Finally Attest That You've Read And Understood.

And By The Way, As You Read That Bill, Check And Read The Laws Of The Church (bible) And The Laws Of This Country (constitution).

Hahaha. And where do you think the government gets the money to pay for the Hospitals, Schools and Social Services that the "poor" people get for "free", out of THIN AIR?

Why are you comparing the cost of contraceptives to the cost of infrastructure and for the poor? Hello, if you haven't realized, the contraceptives are much much cheaper.

It would never be better for us unless we push for the RH Bill. That kind of thinking would suck the country into downward spiral. We will never achieve prosperity.

Currently our country has 40% to 60% percent of it's population considered poor. The number is probably much higher as the current government has lowered the income for people to be considered poor. Yep, that's right. If the government can't reduce poverty in reality, then simply change the definition of poverty.

Obviously, you are poor in knowledge and common sense. Let me break it down for you:

Our country has around half of its population considered poor. Now if 45 million Filipinos are poor, then the remaining 45 million are able to make a decent living. Now the reality is most of the 45 million poor of the country are UNEDUCATED and IGNORANT. Most of the PETTY CRIMES are committed by the POOR, especially the URBAN POOR. Theft, robbery, prostitution. Because they are poor, they don't value dignity, morality and their lives. Life of everyone to them is expendable, as long as they get something to eat. In short, most of the POOR have miserable lives. The government is trying to do it's best to alleviate the misery of the poor. Giving them free food, free healthcare, free education. They try to give them everything for free but the government has very limited resources. Because they are poor, very little taxes are collected from them. So, to support the poor. Taxes that are collected from middle to upper class are used.

However, poor people multiply at an exponential rate due to lack of education and proper family planning. In contrast, the middle and upper class pace their population growth to more reasonable levels. Because of this, the ratio of poor to non-poor people would always be skewered to a greater number of poor people. There will come a time wherein the number of poor people would greatly outnumber the middle and upper class people, the people who work hard and PAY TAXES to support poor people.

So imagine a country where we have 100 million poor people relying on 50 million people for their "free" healthcare, education and other social services. That's where we are headed unless we curtail the exponential growth rate of the poor.

So assuming you don't belong to the poor, do you want your children to suffer that burden. Do you want them to work real hard only to have half of their compensation taken away in the form of taxes to support the poor?

The really bad part of the situation right now is that because of the sheer number of the poor right now, they get to elect incompetent leaders like Noynoy into position. And it is also because of them the corrupt leaders are perpetually in office. Who are the people who would most likely sell their vote?

I don't know about your god, but the God I believe in does not want to make his people suffer.

[Ghost Rider]

Hahaha. And where do you think the government gets the money to pay for the Hospitals, Schools and Social Services that the "poor" people get for "free", out of THIN AIR?

Why are you comparing the cost of contraceptives to the cost of infrastructure and for the poor? Hello, if you haven't realized, the contraceptives are much much cheaper.

It would never be better for us unless we push for the RH Bill. That kind of thinking would suck the country into downward spiral. We will never achieve prosperity.

Currently our country has 40% to 60% percent of it's population considered poor. The number is probably much higher as the current government has lowered the income for people to be considered poor. Yep, that's right. If the government can't reduce poverty in reality, then simply change the definition of poverty.

Obviously, you are poor in knowledge and common sense. Let me break it down for you:

Our country has around half of its population considered poor. Now if 45 million Filipinos are poor, then the remaining 45 million are able to make a decent living. Now the reality is most of the 45 million poor of the country are UNEDUCATED and IGNORANT. Most of the PETTY CRIMES are committed by the POOR, especially the URBAN POOR. Theft, robbery, prostitution. Because they are poor, they don't value dignity, morality and their lives. Life of everyone to them is expendable, as long as they get something to eat. In short, most of the POOR have miserable lives. The government is trying to do it's best to alleviate the misery of the poor. Giving them free food, free healthcare, free education. They try to give them everything for free but the government has very limited resources. Because they are poor, very little taxes are collected from them. So, to support the poor. Taxes that are collected from middle to upper class are used.

However, poor people multiply at an exponential rate due to lack of education and proper family planning. In contrast, the middle and upper class pace their population growth to more reasonable levels. Because of this, the ratio of poor to non-poor people would always be skewered to a greater number of poor people. There will come a time wherein the number of poor people would greatly outnumber the middle and upper class people, the people who work hard and PAY TAXES to support poor people.

So imagine a country where we have 100 million poor people relying on 50 million people for their "free" healthcare, education and other social services. That's where we are headed unless we curtail the exponential growth rate of the poor.

So assuming you don't belong to the poor, do you want your children to suffer that burden. Do you want them to work real hard only to have half of their compensation taken away in the form of taxes to support the poor?

The really bad part of the situation right now is that because of the sheer number of the poor right now, they get to elect incompetent leaders like Noynoy into position. And it is also because of them the corrupt leaders are perpetually in office. Who are the people who would most likely sell their vote?

I don't know about your god, but the God I believe in does not want to make his people suffer.

Very well said dude!

Kaya lang sarado na ang utak ng mga yan, kailangan nila ng kakaawaan, sakit na iyan ng ilan sa atin, to pity the poor instead of helping them to escape their miserable life.

Pinagmumulan kasi yan ng slave labor ng mayayaman at middle class kaya ayaw din nila mawala sila ng alila

[choi106]

if only church will adopt all those street children and not sending all their taxes(or abuloy) to vatican then obviously i will vote against rh bill...but what im seeing right now is the opposite, though i admin that there are some or few priests are helping the poor..kung sa pulitika may trapo, sa religion ay meron din..kaya kanya kanyang payaman ang mga parokya sa pilipinas....tsk tsk tsk...pati mga pari naka hi luxury cars pa ha..cars at minsan ka lang makakakita ng pari na walang kotse or sasakyan..tsk tsk..

[rage_within]

i'm not against the church, pero kung kasalanan ang birth control...

...hindi ba kasalanan din ang hindi mo mabigyan ng magandang kinabukasan ang sandamakmak na anak mo kapag sinusunod mo lang yung "humayo kayo at magpakarami?"

(i experience a lot, sa taxi drivers lamang from airport to my house, may tip na akong binigay pero "boss... baka pwedeng dagdagan, lima anak ko e". parang problema ko pa kung masipag sila sa kama.)

"God will provide... God loves the poor"...

...then what happens to "nasa Diyos ang awa, nasa tao ang gawa?"

i'm not against God too. i'm just trying to think logically.

[rage_within]

You are not against the only church God recognition but if they say do not kill you will kill because you do not agrees then something is wrong with your brains.

FYI alternick... eventhough i have two heads, the upper head has only one brain... which i use by the way. the lower one's just a pleasure thing.

try to use yours and do practice good argumentation... but fix your english first.

[tontondaga]

Hullo, OP, you remind me of this post.

[24carnation]

Yung Catholic church, they don't require their faithful to pay exact 10% Tithes, yung iba, requirement.

Maraming missions ang Catholic Church...they build communities, they help DSWD and other charities....Sinasabi nyo INC + Jehovah involved in their faithful's lives...the Catholic Church opposing the RH Bill is them being involved in the lives of their faithful, too. Nasa tao na yun kung ano'ng paniniwalaan nila.

Declining na ang population growth even without the RH Bill. Yung Fertility rate natin, di naman tayo kasali sa Top 20 or Top 30 of the world. So di issue for me ang fertility. Important ang maraming tao for the economy as well as to make sure there are many citizens for the future identity of the country. Other countries mas malaki ang population sa Pilipinas pero mas maunlad. Ang problema lang dito, ang population, concentrated on the urban centers. I say bring development to the countryside at wala nang pupunta pa sa Manila.


We don't need the RH Bill. We have existing laws and DOH has existing millenium goals that can help manage the population. That's a money-making bill at maraming makikinabang na politico galing sa mga drug companies and condom makers

[bier_trinker]

You are not against the only church God recognition but if they say do not kill you will kill because you do not agrees then something is wrong with your brains.

Troll si AwaNgDiyos. Puro walang kwenta sinasabi. Mali mali pa grammar.

[il migliore]

Yung Catholic church, they don't require their faithful to pay exact 10% Tithes, yung iba, requirement.

Maraming missions ang Catholic Church...they build communities, they help DSWD and other charities....Sinasabi nyo INC + Jehovah involved in their faithful's lives...the Catholic Church opposing the RH Bill is them being involved in the lives of their faithful, too. Nasa tao na yun kung ano'ng paniniwalaan nila.

Declining na ang population growth even without the RH Bill. Yung Fertility rate natin, di naman tayo kasali sa Top 20 or Top 30 of the world. So di issue for me ang fertility. Important ang maraming tao for the economy as well as to make sure there are many citizens for the future identity of the country. Other countries mas malaki ang population sa Pilipinas pero mas maunlad. Ang problema lang dito, ang population, concentrated on the urban centers. I say bring development to the countryside at wala nang pupunta pa sa Manila.


We don't need the RH Bill. We have existing laws and DOH has existing millenium goals that can help manage the population. That's a money-making bill at maraming makikinabang na politico galing sa mga drug companies and condom makers

ayaw ng simbahan sa RH Bill dahil kapag lumalaki ang population ng bansa, lumalaki rin ang dominion nila. isa ang simbahan katolika sa nagpahirap at naglugmok sa paurong mentalidad ng mga Pilipino mula pa noong panahon ng kastila.

[pangasar]

These is how happiness you will find from Rejection from RH Bills!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpljBT9BAQI

Hey Troll, hindi ako magiging masaya hanggat may nakikita akong bata sa lansangan na namamalimos, nag ru-rugby at nagnanakaw. Kung ikaw ok lang sa iyo ang nakakakita ng ganoon sa paligid mo, ano tawag sayo?

[fil2007]

Educated people don't need crutches anymore.....people in the old days need the church when they have questions that science can not answer... like is the world round or flat? is the earth the center of the solar system? why are the skies blue? etc...etc...and the more people were able to asks these questions and get their answers from science the more the church has become irrelevant and this is what the RC is afraid of.