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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Comfy View Post
    I'm a firm believer of nuclear plants too, but not in the Philippines. No offense but I don't have any confidence in the abilitiy of pinoys when a meltdown happens. If a meltdown happens here, it will be epic.

    Philippines has a lot of volcanos. Geothermal energy is the way to go.
    I believe Filipinos has the capabilities of maintaining a Nuclear PP
    but the problem lies on the life span of the power plant
    masyado natin iooverused sila,
    we tend to overuse ang mga equipments natin na dapat palitan na
    kasi nagtitipid tayo bumili ng bago

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    I think aside form pushing this Solar Power in the country, in parallel we can also reduce the power consumption by using LED in all exterior lighting application such as street-lights, neon-lights, house/establishments lighting fixures etc...

    LED is said to be 10X durable than conventional lamps and the energy consumption is low and we can save as much as 80% of power consumption.

    Sadly, there is no drive from our government to take advantage of LED. I'm not sure though. Apparently in Europe by 2013, there will be no more manufacturing for these conventional lamps, all will be migrated into LED manufacturing. And by 2020, all the Europe streetlights and lighting fixtures (about 16Billions) will be replaced by LED lights.

    Currently, LED light dominates the backlighting for LCD TV, Cellphones, Computer dispalys and tablets. Hopefully the entire Earth will be brighten up with LED soon!

    Let there be LED!

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    any alternative to the oil-, gas- and coal-powered power plants that are owned and controlled by Abnoynoy's fellow oligarchs will not succeed, for Abnoynoy and the oligarchs are COERCING Filipinos to pay for expensive electricity so that they will earn more.

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    ^Don't worry everyone is excited for his exit in 2016. That's so soon!

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    ^ why wait for 2016 when he and the oligarchs can be booted at a much earlier date?

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    Solar Power generation plants would require large track of land. this means the philippines has to allot areas for power generation rather than food production or cut down trees.





    this kind of mega-system is ideal for arid areas because the soil is not suitable for food production. or solar power generation should be developed as a micro system for household.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gotta lick it View Post
    Solar Power generation plants would require large track of land. this means the philippines has to allot areas for power generation rather than food production or cut down trees.





    this kind of mega-system is ideal for arid areas because the soil is not suitable for food production. or solar power generation should be developed as a micro system for household.
    Most likely in a dry desert such in Australia or in Nevada, US

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Bahay_Kubo_ View Post
    any alternative to the oil-, gas- and coal-powered power plants that are owned and controlled by Abnoynoy's fellow oligarchs will not succeed, for Abnoynoy and the oligarchs are COERCING Filipinos to pay for expensive electricity so that they will earn more.
    Solar, Wind and biofuel are alternatives the oligarchs both local and abroad are pushing. Because these alternatives to replace Fossil fuels completely will always be a Pipe dream unlike Nuclear, Geothermal and Hydroelectric.

    They said Ayala has invested on Solar. Must be the reason, bayaran leftist Teddy Casiño, pushing for Solar in Mindanao.

    We also have sell out Senators pushing for these three renewables to the detriment of captive consumers because of the passed on rate due to the feed in tariff. They only need the approval of the ERC...
    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...soon-to-be-out
    http://www.feedthegrid.net/click/220698/

    Quoting Ka Mentong:
    the oligarchs and their foreign partners continue to ride high on the 10-year-old Electric Power Industry Reform Act (Epira) — responsible for making RP’s electricity rates the highest in Asia and now poised to raise these further to soaring atmospheric heights. The past week alone, three major news items already escaped the public’s attention: First, we have the Energy Regulatory Commission-backed “renewable rates” for solar and wind power. Passed by an idiotic Congress via Republic Act 9513 or the Renewable Energy Act of 2008 upon the badgering of foreign and local energy lobbyists and the oligarchy-controlled media, the measure is now in the final stages of implementation. With the formulation of the feed-in tariff (FIT) for renewable power that will be transmitted through the National Grid (read “Greed”) Corp. of the Philippine, such a mix of traditional and renewable power sources will definitely spell an increase on our already high generation cost.

    Proponents argue that we have to develop renewables sooner or later; but with the premature enforcement of this program when solar and wind are still grossly inefficient in energy conversion, we will be adding to the already exorbitant burden not only of consumers but also of the industrial sector where many companies have left for countries with lower power costs.

    Our media, environmentalist NGOs and legislators are either dupes or have been corrupted by various incentives — from direct lobby money to advertising budgets, as well as travel and NGO grants — to still be singing praises for this.

    Filipino consumers and industries will be made to subsidize renewable energy development when this is supposed to be shouldered by foreign supplying companies that have tie-ups with local Big Business groups.

    I have railed the past two decades against the disinformation spread by mainstream media and foreign-funded environmental NGOs; but even an unlikely voice in the person of World Bank consultant Leonardo Lupano has warned that the National Renewable Energy Board (NREB) overseeing the program and FIT rates “must be very careful in setting installation targets especially for the higher-cost technologies like wind and solar… (as) Spain had to drastically reduce the solar FIT rates and institute caps when 3 GW of solar was installed within one year.”

    Lupano adds, “The impact on Spain ’s electricity rates was very high. Korea also experienced similar problems. Even German consumers are complaining that they subsidized the development of solar technology with high FITs, but China (the source of solar panels) is reaping the fruits… Ontario had to resort to every procedural trick in the book to slow down the approval of solar applications. NREB would (thus want) to avoid similar problems in the Philippines…”

    But typical of the insensitivity of government bureaucrats feigning blindness to the plunder of power consumers, Bert Dalusong, former head of the NREB technical working group said that “…the P19 per kilowatt hour FIT rate being asked by the renewable energy developers is still cheaper than the price of diesel on the spot market, which could rise to as high as P30 per kWh.” But why compare with diesel when hydro is as low as P1 per kWh, as in Mindanao ’s Agus and Pulangi, and geothermal ranges from P0.92 to P2.31 per kWh?
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    are we willing to cut down trees or occupy rice fields just to build these kinds of power plants

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    The only way out is to cut down heavily on energy and resource use, but that won't happen because income levels are dependent on increasing use of both.

    If other sources of energy, such as solar, are employed, they will be because of lack of resources, including not just oil but water and various minerals.

    And the energy produced will not be enough to meet the demands of a global capitalist economy.

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    Di pa rin feasible for home use when you have power grid lines available. Even if it proliferate it can contribute to the green house effect.

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    Solar Power? If its electrical power is not made available to nipa hut dwellers, thenit is just a money grabbing venture., specially it taxpayers money will be used to initialize the building of this network.
    When the justifications involve only the blah-blah of investor spokepersons than more likely or not this will be another cash cow for them which will be later abandoned once they bloated themselves with money or the government runs out of money to support the venture.

    If no taxpayers money will be involve, then the people behind these do need to convince anyone. Go ahead. It's not the taxpayers money. Show us!

    If these idea is so good that it will be profitable to investors then go convince Pinoy billionaires who would like to invest, but don't use the taxpayers money. WSe all know waht happened to projects using taxpayers money, the people involve gets 95% of the money.
    We all know about road projects with say 100 million pesos budget, Never finished or takes forever to finish, mean while 95 million is shared by corupt officials and engineers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfunk View Post
    Di pa rin feasible for home use when you have power grid lines available. Even if it proliferate it can contribute to the green house effect.
    the only advantage solar power is it has a low carbon emission footprint. it is already feasible if your house is connected to a power grid but you have to have two curcuit breakers and sets of wirings. for example, the power for your appliances can be connect to the power supplied by the electric company and your lighting can be connected to the batteries of the solar cells.

    there is a schools which use solar powered airconditioning.

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    geothermal + hydroelectric + wind + solar + nuclear.

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    P-Noy: Rift with China affecting Phl bid to use solar energy

    MANILA, Philippines - President Aquino has thumbed down proposals to avail of the expensive but long-term benefits of solar energy following the Philippines’ recent conflict with China – which now produces cheaper solar panels – to address the power crisis in Mindanao.

    “If we go solar, they (China) are the cheapest producer. They will have another entry into controlling our economy. I think, it is not the wisest decision at this point,” he told Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez, who is advocating the renewable energy source.

    “You already know that we are in disagreement with China on one particular issue which actually hasn’t been resolved as of today. There have been other instances that they have not been very friendly,” Aquino pointed out, citing the West Philippine Sea issue.

    He related that there is an ongoing debate between the US and China over the use of solar energy.

    “As you know there is an ongoing fight between America and China with regard to subsidies allegedly being given by the Chinese government that make the production of solar panels, and the costs that much cheaper,” Aquino explained further.
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    are we willing to cut down trees or occupy rice fields just to build these kinds of power plants
    And what maintenance are you talking about?
    Cutting trees? how about rooftops.

    Use you coconut even just a little.

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    ^who will pay for the solar panels if it will be install on my rooftop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfpak View Post
    ^who will pay for the solar panels if it will be install on my rooftop?
    A. You can get it yourself and be independent and sell your excess to the market.

    B. The government can lease your rooftop, and pay you through discounts and incentives in your electric bills.

    That is if your government is going to do something about it, might as well just go noynoying, much better hey they are getting paid and with pork barrel so who cares.

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