SOLAR Power is the way to go

[albertus magnus]

Indeed, and the other point missed is that much of that money has value only if production and consumption of goods increase. That is why for TPTB a paradigm of abundance is important, as it encourages people to pursue consumer spending and to be happy about the future.

It is likely for the same reason that TPTB will support nuclear energy over renewables, as the former requires increasing credit and allows for centralization of power.

Exactly! This is what I've been trying to tell you in this and in other threads.

There are occult forces behind man's rise and fall whether sinister, benign or neutral. Empires since the dawn wants domination and control of resources. That's no different to the present empire as John Perkins, an insider and self-confessed former economic hitman said. He said TPTB may call in the jackals if they can't get their way.

Present system is a product of man's imperfections or corruptions after the Fall. But I also believe in transcendance.

Some factions are for ATOM for Peace to turn swords into plowshares, others are not. People also conspired with the The ‘Big Lie’ About Radiation and LNT
http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/Ar.../Editorial.pdf
More from... http://atomsforpeacephil.com/

[paenggoy]

There are occult forces behind man's rise and fall whether sinister, benign or neutral. Empires since the dawn wants domination and control of resources. That's no different to the present empire as John Perkins, an insider and self-confessed former economic hitman said. He said TPTB may call in the jackals if they can't get their way.

Present system is a product of man's imperfections or corruptions after the Fall. But I also believe in transcendance.

Some factions are for ATOM for Peace to turn swords into plowshares, others are not. People also conspired with the The ‘Big Lie’ About Radiation and LNT
http://21stcenturysciencetech.com/Ar.../Editorial.pdf
More from... http://atomsforpeacephil.com/

TPTB's way is not just to control the means of production but to allow their wealth to grow. But since much of it consists of money, then they will have to ensure that consumer spending increases as that is the only way to give value to money, and this ironically means turning over more of that means of production to those who are part of consumer spending. Hence, outsourcing and increased financial speculation, and increased power of branches of elite in BRIC and emerging markets.

With that, the "jackals" are called in to fight against other elite who have their own "jackals."

As for supporting nuclear power, again, this is something that TPTB will support, as it also controls the nuclear industry. In addition, nuclear energy allows for centralization of the source of energy, in contrast to solar power, where individuals and local communities can set up their own systems.

[paenggoy]

"German Power Grids Increasingly Strained"

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/9205

[albertus magnus]

TPTB's way is not just to control the means of production but to allow their wealth to grow. But since much of it consists of money, then they will have to ensure that consumer spending increases as that is the only way to give value to money, and this ironically means turning over more of that means of production to those who are part of consumer spending. Hence, outsourcing and increased financial speculation, and increased power of branches of elite in BRIC and emerging markets.

With that, the "jackals" are called in to fight against other elite who have their own "jackals."

As for supporting nuclear power, again, this is something that TPTB will support, as it also controls the nuclear industry. In addition, nuclear energy allows for centralization of the source of energy, in contrast to solar power, where individuals and local communities can set up their own systems.

That a simplistic or the classical way of putting it with the lumping up of all the capitalists collectively as controlling production and they encouraged consumer spending to gain profit. The globalist elites on top of the financial pyramid simply control monetarist policies in order to siphon the wealth of nations.

Anti-nuke jackals are winning all over while the Nuke jackals seemed to be sleeping on the job if the latter do exist. Jackals as exactly as how John Perkins described them. I don't see any pro-nuke jackals killing oil barons. While anti-nuke people are doing a lot of sabotage...

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/radiotranscript18may12.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/fukushimaruse31may12.shtml

Accdg to that podcast about financial terrorism I linked on previous posts as also pointed out by many in the alternative media, and including an esoteric adept below, they are all one in saying, tptb's endgame now is controlled implosion and deindustrializationn with it to discredit nuclear for their neomalthusian agenda rather than more production or growth of the physical economy and so their encouragement of unregulated speculation to create bubble that will burst...

http://erlefraynebrightworld.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/illuminatinwo-depopulation-agenda-will-backfire-on-the-reptoids/

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml

http://erlefraynebrightworld.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/illuminati-fraternity-of-malevolent-oligarchs/

[paenggoy]

That a simplistic or the classical way of putting it with the lumping up of all the capitalists collectively as controlling production and they encouraged consumer spending to gain profit. The globalist elites on top of the financial pyramid simply control monetarist policies in order to siphon the wealth of nations.

They don't exactly "control monetarist policies." Rather, they create money thanks to the absence of "monetarist policies." Hence, we have over a quadrillion dollars in unregulated derivatives, with even the notional value many times that of other components of money supply. And rather than "siphon the wealth of nations," they increase it multiple times. It's just that the "wealth" that they create consists mostly of numbers in accounts, and the value of that money is gauged on increased production and consumption of goods. Those goods are purchased by people who in turn receive some (if not all) of their income (and returns from investments) from corporations owned by the same elite or businesses connected to them. And they in turn earn money by selling more goods and services to others. That's essentially the global capitalist system that we live in, and although it's a helpful summary it's neither simplistic nor "classical."

That's why we've had increasing production, consumption, money supply, population, consumption per capita, concentration of money among fewer people, debt, members of the middle class, and pollution worldwide. That's also why TPTB wants a paradigm of abundance, see peak oil and global warming as a "hoax," and support Big Business projects like nuclear reactors.

Anti-nuke jackals are winning all over while the Nuke jackals seemed to be sleeping on the job if the latter do exist. Jackals as exactly as how John Perkins described them. I don't see any pro-nuke jackals killing oil barons. While anti-nuke people are doing a lot of sabotage...

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/radiotranscript18may12.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/lte/fukushimaruse31may12.shtml

Accdg to that podcast about financial terrorism I linked on previous posts as also pointed out by many in the alternative media, and including an esoteric adept below, they are all one in saying, tptb's endgame now is controlled implosion and deindustrializationn with it to discredit nuclear for their neomalthusian agenda rather than more production or growth of the physical economy and so their encouragement of unregulated speculation to create bubble that will burst...

http://erlefraynebrightworld.wordpress.com/2011/04/23/illuminatinwo-depopulation-agenda-will-backfire-on-the-reptoids/

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml

http://erlefraynebrightworld.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/illuminati-fraternity-of-malevolent-oligarchs/

Actually, it's been the other way round. Big Nuclear has been taking incredible strides worldwide, especially in Japan, where news about Fukushima is muted. This is not surprising as the same mass media that is supposed to report on such incidents are controlled by the same elite who also own Big Nuclear.

Big Oil is, not surprisingly, funded by the same Big Banks that fund Big Nuclear. It's just that Big Oil has dominated the field because much of manufacturing and mechanized agriculture has been dependent on petrochemicals. But Big Nuclear has also advanced, especially in the U.S., Europe, and Japan, and it will grow even stronger as peak oil takes place. Of course, count on the gullible to believe TPTB propaganda about an abundance of resources, and see how they can explain the contradiction between the argument that peak oil is a hoax, and thus nuclear energy is needed, and that since there's an abundance of resources (not to mention claims ranging from abiotic oil to free energy), then nuclear energy isn't necessary!

And John Perkins would have focused on but pro-nuclear "jackals", the ones who work with Big Banks and Big Energy who will sell the idea of Big Nuclear to weak, underdeveloped nations through sweet loan agreements, and eventually with strings attached. Anti-nuclear "jackals," on the other hand, would be left at the wayside, as Big Government works with the local elite to close deals with powerful, multinational energy corporations.

Why not solar energy? Because TPTB can make more money with nuclear energy.

[paenggoy]

"Germany's Nuclear Phase-Out Brings Unexpected Costs"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-837007.html

[paenggoy]

"Local Solar Could Solve 'Massive Supply-Demand Imbalance' in Renewable Energy Financing"

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...ergy-financing

[TuxTips]

"Local Solar Could Solve 'Massive Supply-Demand Imbalance' in Renewable Energy Financing"

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...ergy-financing

This, another solution the oligarch owned government would not allow. This must not happen at all cost because it will loose the oligarch advantage called dependency. And if solar + wind becames the mainstream, electric cars will be the next, saying goodbye to fossil fuel, which is a no no to oligarchs.

[paenggoy]

"5 Solar Myths Busted (Infographic)"

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/06/19/...d-infographic/

[paenggoy]

"Solar panels linked to lower power usage"

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...619-20m42.html

[paenggoy]

"Why a Likely Natural Event Could Cause Nuclear Reactors to Melt Down and Our Grid to Crash"

http://www.alternet.org/story/153833..._grid_to_crash

[paenggoy]

"A Skeptic Looks at Alternative Energy"

http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/rene...ative-energy/0

[paenggoy]

"Solar Power Revolution (VIDEO)"

http://cleantechnica.com/2012/07/08/...olution-video/

[paenggoy]

"Four U.S. power reactors shut & NYC sweats during heat wave"

http://www.cnbc.com/id/48226538

"In wake of Fukushima, Japanese village goes all-solar"

http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/t...l-solar-887665

[paenggoy]

"Renewable Energy — Facts and Figures"

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/...s-and-figures/

[paenggoy]

Related:

"Wind Power Will Grow by 100 TWh per Year, Says IEA"

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/...twh-a-year-iea

"Report: Renewable energy generation to increase 40% by 2017"

http://www.power-eng.com/articles/20...t-by-2017.html

[PgUp]

These articles may be propaganda material. The US Government under President Obama invested heavily for green projects, particularly for solar energy. The solar cell company was given equity by government but it never posted a profit and had been de-listed lately. The proprietors are missing. This is now a major election issue.

Apparently the cause of the problem is the ERRONEOUS prediction that there is global warming. Many of the ROI is based on solar availability that is falsely prophesied to rise considerably over time. But the bad weather cast a big cloud on the availability of solar energy, leading to poor generation of electric power. The lack of availability of sunlight diminished the reliability of solar cells as alternative source of electricity supply making the existing solar panel investments white elephant projects.

What is happening to this site? It is swamped by dumb news that forces the Filipino public to invest on poor ideas and non-working solutions.

[paenggoy]

These articles may be propaganda material. The US Government under President Obama invested heavily for green projects, particularly for solar energy. The solar cell company was given equity by government but it never posted a profit and had been de-listed lately. The proprietors are missing. This is now a major election issue.

Apparently the cause of the problem is the ERRONEOUS prediction that there is global warming. Many of the ROI is based on solar availability that is falsely prophesied to rise considerably over time. But the bad weather cast a big cloud on the availability of solar energy, leading to poor generation of electric power. The lack of availability of sunlight diminished the reliability of solar cells as alternative source of electricity supply making the existing solar panel investments white elephant projects.

What is happening to this site? It is swamped by dumb news that forces the Filipino public to invest on poor ideas and non-working solutions.

My understanding is that the U.S. government and others "invested heavily" not in "green projects" but in money-making projects, and that requires the use of oil, which has much higher energy returns. That is why deregulation is the norm, and the actual entities that control the global economy are not governments:

"Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world"

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-world.html

Thus, this is not "propaganda material" but the complete opposite: they are startling news reports not just of governments but even corporations and communities moving to renewable energy and non-conventional oil sources. And the reason is not necessarily global warming but lack of oil:

"Renewable Energy"

http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...nd-consumption

The solar companies referred to are in the U.S. Elsewhere, the situation is the opposite.

Some more points to consider:

If any, the prediction regarding global warming is erroneous not because it refers to events that will not happen but to the same which are taking place, long before what was predicted (which is decades from now). In short, scientists worldwide underestimated this problem.

The ROI for solar is, indeed, "false prophesied" not because of "bad weather" (there are, in fact, technologies that can be implemented to make solar energy even more efficient) but because the EROEI for solar is not good enough. Ultimately, non-conventional production and renewables will be used not to minimize the damage due to global warming but to face problems caused by lack of oil.

In which case, what I share isn't "dumb news" but the complete opposite: news that is new to most readers. If any, your responses illustrate that point readily.

[PgUp]

Your knowledge or understanding UNFORTUNATELY does not match reality. The issue here is if you are HONEST about these ideas or if you are like the gullible crowd that talked at length about The Emperor's New Clothes?

Even the availability of oil, predicted to be drying up is not an issue today. More have been "discovered".

Can you explain why an oil PIPELINE was built in the US and Russia? If there had been no substantial supply, no one would bother with the expense and effort. Can you tell us about the Gulf of Mexico accidental oil spill? If there had been no huge deposit, such spill would have been over in a few days. Yet the accident had cost BP a lot and there was a need to PLUG the deposit properly using new methods because traditional technology keeps failing due to the very high pressure. There was an attempt to seal the oil supply for good but that does not help the fact that new and viable supply sources exist, adding to the world verified oil reserves.

Let us conduct a survey of the False Prophesies: Global Warming, DROUGHT, we are on our last drop of water and oil? Locally, we are being pressured to PAY a huge amount for WATER despite the fact that our dam facilities are overflowing and there is street flooding at the slightest rain. You really need to be VERY DISHONEST to be able to stomach all these false arguments.

We are in the middle of a huge solar storm activity and the public is kept unaware of the issues affecting everyone on the planet. The bombardment of solar EMF is disrupting electrical distribution and communications such as satellite based navigation. Yet what do we hear from TV news? We are instead bombarded hourly by the OLD fear of excess carbon emissions and FALSE information of global warming.

My understanding is that the U.S. government and others "invested heavily" not in "green projects" but in money-making projects, and that requires the use of oil, which has much higher energy returns. That is why deregulation is the norm, and the actual entities that control the global economy are not governments:

"Revealed – the capitalist network that runs the world"

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-world.html

Thus, this is not "propaganda material" but the complete opposite: they are startling news reports not just of governments but even corporations and communities moving to renewable energy and non-conventional oil sources. And the reason is not necessarily global warming but lack of oil:

"Renewable Energy"

http://www.economist.com/blogs/daily...nd-consumption

The solar companies referred to are in the U.S. Elsewhere, the situation is the opposite.

Some more points to consider:

If any, the prediction regarding global warming is erroneous not because it refers to events that will not happen but to the same which are taking place, long before what was predicted (which is decades from now). In short, scientists worldwide underestimated this problem.

The ROI for solar is, indeed, "false prophesied" not because of "bad weather" (there are, in fact, technologies that can be implemented to make solar energy even more efficient) but because the EROEI for solar is not good enough. Ultimately, non-conventional production and renewables will be used not to minimize the damage due to global warming but to face problems caused by lack of oil.

In which case, what I share isn't "dumb news" but the complete opposite: news that is new to most readers. If any, your responses illustrate that point readily.

[paenggoy]

Your knowledge or understanding UNFORTUNATELY does not match reality. The issue here is if you are HONEST about these ideas or if you are like the gullible crowd that talked at length about The Emperor's New Clothes?

It's the other way round. Take a look at the data that I've shared in various threads. This should be compared to most of your posts, which contain hardly any information.

Even the availability of oil, predicted to be drying up is not an issue today. More have been "discovered".

The issue isn't oil "drying up" but easy oil less available. BP and other sources provide data on that.

What has been "discovered" has lower energy returns. More details in the peak oil thread.

Can you explain why an oil PIPELINE was built in the US and Russia? If there had been no substantial supply, no one would bother with the expense and effort. Can you tell us about the Gulf of Mexico accidental oil spill? If there had been no huge deposit, such spill would have been over in a few days. Yet the accident had cost BP a lot and there was a need to PLUG the deposit properly using new methods because traditional technology keeps failing due to the very high pressure. There was an attempt to seal the oil supply for good but that does not help the fact that new and viable supply sources exist, adding to the world verified oil reserves.

Yes, why would they spend so much on such a pipeline? Why would BP and others take more risks getting oil offshore? There should be more than enough oil inland, right?

Let us conduct a survey of the False Prophesies: Global Warming, DROUGHT, we are on our last drop of water and oil? Locally, we are being pressured to PAY a huge amount for WATER despite the fact that our dam facilities are overflowing and there is street flooding at the slightest rain. You really need to be VERY DISHONEST to be able to stomach all these false arguments.

Survey?! Your messages contain hardly anything SUBSTANTIAL, and to make matters worse, your contradict yourself much of the time! Take a look at your previous points for an example.

Last drop of water and oil? It's as if you're arguing that there's no threat of water or oil shortages as long as there's a last drop of either! A completely irrelevant point.

We are in the middle of a huge solar storm activity and the public is kept unaware of the issues affecting everyone on the planet. The bombardment of solar EMF is disrupting electrical distribution and communications such as satellite based navigation. Yet what do we hear from TV news? We are instead bombarded hourly by the OLD fear of excess carbon emissions and FALSE information of global warming.

Except that ave. temp continued increasing before that.