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  1. #1
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    Ang Aklat ng Genesis - Kwentong Kutsero ba?

    Ang aklat ng Genesis ay isa sa mga aklat na nakapaloob sa banal na kasulatan ng mga Kristyano, Muslim at ng mga Hudyo (kahit may mga pagkakaiba ang kanilang bawat bersyon).

    Dito sa aklat na ito nakatala kung paano ginawa ng Diyos ang langit at lupa, ang tao at hayop (at kung paano din sila pinatay), hanggang mapunta sa lahi ni Abraham.

    Mayroon lang akong ilang mga katanungan ukol sa aklat na ito na saligan ng pananampalataya ng bilyong tao sa mundo.

    1. Sino ba ang may sulat kamay ng aklat na ito?
    2. Nasaan ang orihinal na kopya ng aklat na ito?
    3. Nakasulat sa 1:1 na unang ginawa ang langit at lupa (earth). Ibig po ba sabihin ay unang ginawa ang Earth kaysa Sun? Eh kailan ginawa ang iba pang mga planeta?
    4. Sino ba ang mga "Anak ng Diyos" na nakasulat sa 6:2?
    5. Sino ba ang mga "Giants" na nakasulat sa 6:4?
    6. Nakasulat din na ang pamilya lang ni Noah ang nakaligtas sa malaking pagbaha. Eh saan naman nanggaling ang lahi ni Goliath na isang Giant?
    7. Bakit parang nababahala ang Diyos nung "makita" nya ang mga tao na may isang lengguwahe at gumagawa ng malaking tower? Hindi ba siya ang pinaka makapangyarihan sa lahat?

    Sana po ay mayroong makapag linaw ng mga tanong ko.

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    subukan kung sagutin yan thot

    1. genesis sinulat daw ni moses, siya daw ang may akda nito
    2. ang mga orihinal na kopya ay nasa vatican at marami pang ibang aklat ay nakatago dito at di ito basta bastang pinapabasa kung kanino lang.
    3. lohilkal na sagot syempre nauuna siguro ang sun ginawa kundi walang balance ang solar system (sana malinaw sa bibliya kung pano sinabi, para naman ma combinsi ang mga kritiko)
    4. mga anghel? yung nakasaad na << Genesis 1:26 >> "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, ang tanong diyan bakit "OUR"?
    5. sigurado yung mga nephilim's half breed demi gods
    6. siguradong hindi nalipol lahat
    7. baka naman landing site ng space ship ang tower?


    thoth, thoth

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    Quote Originally Posted by isisrhnega View Post
    subukan kung sagutin yan thot

    1. genesis sinulat daw ni moses, siya daw ang may akda nito
    2. ang mga orihinal na kopya ay nasa vatican at marami pang ibang aklat ay nakatago dito at di ito basta bastang pinapabasa kung kanino lang.
    3. lohilkal na sagot syempre nauuna siguro ang sun ginawa kundi walang balance ang solar system (sana malinaw sa bibliya kung pano sinabi, para naman ma combinsi ang mga kritiko)
    4. mga anghel? yung nakasaad na << Genesis 1:26 >> "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, ang tanong diyan bakit "OUR"?
    5. sigurado yung mga nephilim's half breed demi gods
    6. siguradong hindi nalipol lahat
    7. baka naman landing site ng space ship ang tower?


    thoth, thoth
    Wow, ikaw ang nakakuha ng grand prize dahil ikaw ang unang sumagot sa mga tanong ko. Prize mo eh free accomodation for 3 days sa Puerto Galera good for 2 persons (pwde mo ako isama) basta sagot mo pamasahe. And don't forget bring your own tent ha.

    Alam mo ineng..eh este manang pala, sino ba nagsabi na si Moses sumulat ng Genesis? May ebidensiya ba? Well, baka nga nakatago sa Vatican.

    Ang sinabi sa Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning.." or "Nung pasimula .." ay nilikha ang langit at lupa. Eh ayon sa siyensa, mas nauna ang sun kaysa earth. So ibig mo ba sabihin kuro kuro lang ang 1:1 ng Genesis?

    Ah so ang mga anghel pala yung nasa 6:2 na mga anak ng diyos. Kaya lang iniisip ko eh sila pala ang may kasalanan pinakasalan nila yung mga anak na babae ng mga tao, eh bakit ang mga tao ang pinarusahan ng Diyos dun sa malaking pagbaha? Tsaka anu na nangyari sa mga anak ng diyos na nagsipag asawa ng mga anak na babae ng tao?

    OK, mga Nephilim pala *** nasa 6:4. Kasi nga naman mga higante. Kanino kayang lahi sila galing? Kay Adan din kaya?

    So hindi pala nalipol lahat ng nilalang nung pagbaha. Eh di kuro kuro na naman yung nakasulat na si Noah lang at ang kanyang pamilya ang nakaligtas sa pagbaha.

    Space ship? Di ba 20th century lang naimbemto ang mga sasakyang pangkalawakan? Wala pa naman space ship nung araw. Niloloko mo yata ako eh.

    Pero salamat sa pagsagot mo ha. Enjoy nyo na lang yung bakasyon mo sa PG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krams View Post
    well watch this

    Archeology Proves The Bible

    http://www.youtube.com/v/4e20Cq5yob4

    Evidence for the Historical Reliability of the Bible Series: The Hittites

    http://www.youtube.com/v/HW3uMfmpjfA



    The Exodus and the Red Sea Crossing - Part 1

    http://www.youtube.com/v/xJXUv_btg60

    The Bible and Science: Biblical Insight

    http://www.youtube.com/v/N4hbDWkwVWI
    Ayos ang mga links mo mr. uki krams. Kaya lang ang layo yata dun sa mga tinatanong ko. Nasa genesis tanong ko tapos pinapakita mo yung exodus, job, ecclesiastes etc. Pati picture ng mga atheist pinapakita mo.

    Palagay ko bihasang bihasa ka na sa bibliya. Baka pwde mo naman sagutin yung mga tanong ko base sa pagkaka alam mo sa genesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isisrhnega View Post
    http://topex.ucsd.edu/marine*_topo/g...rack/topo3.gif
    (h)ttp://topex.ucsd.edu/marine*_topo/gif_topo_track/topo3.gif
    Eh ineng na manang, hindi ako makapasok dun sa link mo. Baka gusto mo PM na lang sakin, baka sakali makapaosk ako.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thoth View Post
    Eh ineng na manang, hindi ako makapasok dun sa link mo. Baka gusto mo PM na lang sakin, baka sakali makapaosk ako.
    ah sige later busy pa manong with the numbers? ang kulit, maya ko narin sagotin ang reply mo sa post ko, kainis naman ang premyo bring my own tent

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    "With great looks comes great responsibility"

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    ang genesis ay galing sa egyptian myth at sa 4sources called J,P,E and D hindi si moises ang nagsulat nyan

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliester View Post
    ang genesis ay galing sa egyptian myth at sa 4sources called J,P,E and D hindi si moises ang nagsulat nyan
    agree ako sa post mo

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    ang dami daming mga archaeological evidences all you need is to just google google google, pero ang pinananiniwalaan theory ng tao, because that is your choice

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    Quote Originally Posted by great1 View Post
    ang dami daming mga archaeological evidences all you need is to just google google google, pero ang pinananiniwalaan theory ng tao, because that is your choice
    masaya nga ngayon eh nakaka google ka
    isipin mo nalang kung wala ang internet
    di mo ma access ang mga info na gusto
    mong malaman dati need pa mag library
    dika makakabasa kong panahon sa work.
    syempre bago ka maniwala dapat
    alam mo ang pinaniniwalaan mo.

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    Hi TS, this is quite an interesting topic. As you mentioned, the book of Genesis is one of the writings included in the Holy Books of the 3 greatest religions on earth, Christianity, Islam and Jewish. In fact, this is also one of the 5 sacred books of the Pentateuchs which all found its way to the Bible, Koran and the Tanakh.

    Yet, this is one book that was not given much attention as compared to the attention given to the writings of their prophets and the apostles.

    To answer your first question: It is an oral traditional belief that it was Moses who wrote this book. However, I would like to cite the following links which clearly shows that there is no clear evidence that it was actually Moses who wrote this book. In fact, there may be contradicting evidences on such view.

    http://mb-soft.com/believe/txs/genesis.htm (Unidentified Authorship)

    http://www.gotquestions.org/Book-of-Genesis.html (Unidentified Authorship)

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/jepd_gen.htm (Documentary Hypothesis)

    http://www.trueorigin.org/tablet.asp (The Tablet Theory)

    There are other links with similar statements as well.

    As I am not a bible scholar, I leave the opinion to those who have open minds. But for those who had already closed their minds about their belief, I guess, the opinion of “others” will not really matter.

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    As for your 2nd question, one of the earliest known manuscripts on the book of Genesis is called the “Cotton Genesis”. However, it is mainly a Greek manuscript written about 4th to the 5th century AD. Thus, it must have been another “edited” version.

    Up to now, no original manuscript of this book has yet been discovered. I also assume that not even the Catholic Church got hold of such copy.

    http://biblescripture.net/Hebrew.html

    Again, I am stating my opinion that the book of genesis contains many stories that were actually copied and edited from ancient texts of the Sumerians, Babylonians and the Egyptians.

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    On your 3rd question, it is written in the Bible “In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth”. For those “Bible Only” believers, I don’t know how they can squeeze out from this fix. They have to ADMIT that the Bible IS NOT everything. They have to rely on other writings in order to explain this.

    (Off topic, the first difference between the Christian Bible and the Hebrew Bible can be found on this verse 1:1. The Bible speaks of “God created…” The Tanakh speaks of “Elohim created…” In Hebrew, Elohim is the plural of El. I’m just wondering why the ancient Hebrews used the word Elohim and not just simply El.)

    This part of the genesis creation story is very similar to the Babylonian’s Epic of Creation (Enuma Elish). This is how Enuma Elish (written hundreds of years before the birth of Moses) was translated:

    When there was no heaven,
    no earth, no height, no depth, no name,
    when Apsu was alone,
    the sweet water, the first begetter; and Tiamat
    the bitter water, and that
    return to the womb, her Mummu,
    when there were no gods (Enuma Elish First Tablet)

    Whoever wrote the book of genesis probably had a very limited view that there is only heaven and earth (as the only creation there was). Thus, when he “copied or edited” the ancient text, he wrongly translated that the heaven and the earth were the first to be created. Of course, he may have not known about the other planets as well.

    In fact, the ancient texts may have somehow indicated how our solar system was formed. They speak of the gods named Tiamat, Anshar and Kishar to name a few. And it is also a known fact that the ancients named the heavenly bodies based on the name of their gods.

    Now, we all know that based on scientific theories, our solar system was formed with the sun coming out first, and the other planets coming out later.

    Thus, the genesis story is wrong that it was the heaven and the earth that were first created.

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    On your 4th and 5th questions 6:2 and 6:4… I would like to add 6:1 also. The Bible stated:

    6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

    6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


    Again, for “Bible only” believers, I’m also confused as to how they have explained who these “sons of God” or “giants” were. They really would have to refer to the extra biblical books found at the Dead Sea i.e. Book of Enoch and Book of the Giants.

    In the Book of Enoch, it is written:

    And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied, that in those days were born into them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the Children of heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another:”Come, let us choose wives from among the children of men, and beget us children.”

    Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them:’I fear ye will not agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty for a great sin.” And they all answered and said:”Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations, not to abandon this plan but to do this thing,”

    Reading further, this Semiaza is a leader of the “fallen angels” or whom Enoch called “The Watchers”. Part of the Dead Sea Scrolls is the “Book of Watchers” and “The Book of Giants”.

    But again, this story about “giants” and “angels” were actually copied and edited from the other pagan ancient texts of the Sumerians.

    Below is one of the stories of Marduk, the first son of the Sumerian God Enki.

    A mythical tablet (CBS-1406) reported by E. Chiera (Sumerian Religious Texts) tells the story of those early days and of a young god named Martu, who complained that he too, should be permitted to espouse a human wife. It happened when...

    The city of Nin-ab existed, Shid tab did not exist; the holy tiara existed, the holy crown did not exist...cohabitation there was...bringing forth (of children) there was...

    Nin-ab was a city in the settled Great Land. Martu, who was single, saw the high priest’s daughter and went to his mother to complain. “In my city I have friends, they have taken wives. I have companions, they have taken wives. In my city, unlike my friends, I have not taken a wife; I have no wife, I have no children.
    The goddess gave her consent. The other young gods then prepared a feast; as the marriage was announced..”in the city of Nin-ab, the people by the sound of the copper drum were called, the 7 tambourines were sounded.”


    And the later stories went on to state that Marduk married an Earthling named “Sarpanit” and had a son named “Nabu” who became a great warrior of his father Marduk. This story about great warriors somehow found its way to 6:4 “ … when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

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    Your 6th question is also very difficult to answer if you have a “Bible only” line of thinking.

    It is NOT true what the Bible stated that “it was only Noah and his family who survived the great flood.”

    Again, this was copied and edited from the other ancient text. You can find the same story on the “Epic of Atra Hasis” and the “Epic of Gilgamesh”, which are hundreds of years older than Moses.

    You will also note on these epics that during the great flood, the gods themselves stayed afloat on their spaceships. After the flood, they went down on the site where Utnapishtim (biblical Noah) had an offering to the gods.

    For 6 days, Utnapishtim watched from the motionless ark, caught in the peaks of Mount Salvation. Then he sent out a dove looking for a resting place, but it came back.

    Then a raven was set free, flew off , finding a resting place.

    He then released all the birds and animals that were with him, and stepped out himself.

    He built an altar and offered a sacrifice.

    The gods smelled the savor and the sweet smell. The gods crowded like flies about a sacrifice. It was the Great Goddess who vowed: “I shall not forget... I shall be mindful of these days, forgetting them never.

    When Enlil arrived at the scene, he had little mind for food. He was hopping mad to discover that some had survived. “Has some living soul escaped? No man was to survive the destruction!”


    “Bible only” believers obviously will discard these 2 epics as “products of the devil.”

    These “Bible only” believers are quick to proclaim in high heavens that their Bible story of the great flood is authentic because “archeology” HAD PROVEN so. Yet, they REFUSED to accept the “archeological truth” about these other 2 ancient epics, which have similar stories with the Bible.

    I have the opinion that these “Bible only” believers have “selective acceptance” of all these archeological discoveries. They only accept findings which are “identical” with their beliefs.

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    On your 7th question, the biblical “God” in 11:5-6 is also a “creature” just like the rest of us. This is not how an All Powerful, All Knowing God would have acted.

    Again, this story had been copied and edited from ancient text. “Bible only” believers would have to weave different kinds of stories in order to justify the actions of their god on 11:5-6.

    Sumerian pagan stories told of how the god Marduk decided to amass his own followers, thru the help of his warrior son, Nabu. Marduk planned to “take over” the rule of god Enlil on Earth. (The author, Zecharia Sitchin, called this the First Pyramid Wars.) Marduk initially took control of the Sinai Peninsula where the spaceships (Yes, spaceships!) were located.

    To make this long story short, Marduk and Nabu were defeated by the forces of Enlil, and his son, Ninurta. All the followers of Marduk were scattered and went back to their homelands. Marduk was imprisoned inside the great pyramid.

    I would like to emphasize though that these Sumerian stories were taken from different ancient tablets from different archeological finds. I am not in a position to validate the stories themselves.
    But one thing I am sure of. These pagan stories found their way to the biblical book of Genesis.

    “Bible only” believers can always brand these archeological finds as “works of the devil”. Some even say that these ancient texts were actually “copied” from the Bible itself, something that is really an absurd thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krams View Post
    i believe we should go back to the Garden of Eden if it is real or jsut another myth well judge it for yourself

    http://www.youtube.com/v/_RrKXJ4jfPg

    History Channel - Mysteries of the Garden of Eden Pt 1of2

    http://www.youtube.com/v/gEcBCwhGVDw

    http://www.youtube.com/v/4-5Fmi-lDKY
    Hey krams, are you telling us that you truly believed these links?

    In another thread, you had a long discussion with sir MOD about carbon dating. And you always had the position that carbon dating cannot be trusted upon since it is not an exact science.

    Now, in your first link, the date of the Gobekli Tepe was traced using carbon dating! What is your real opinion on carbon dating?

    Your second and 3rd links speak of a "possible" garden of eden on the islands visited by Christopher Columbus.

    Your first link, supposedly authenticating the "garden of eden" speaks of a place located in Turkey.

    Your 2nd and 3rd link, again supposedly authenticating the "garden of eden" speaks of a place visited by Columbus. Did Columbus ever sailed to Turkey during his "discovery" years?

    You said that the Bible story of the "garden of eden" is authenticated by archeology. But you showed links which are contradictory.

    Maybe the TS is right. The Garden of Eden version in the bible is "Kwentong Kutsero".

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbycc View Post
    On your 7th question, the biblical “God” in 11:5-6 is also a “creature” just like the rest of us. This is not how an All Powerful, All Knowing God would have acted.

    Again, this story had been copied and edited from ancient text. “Bible only” believers would have to weave different kinds of stories in order to justify the actions of their god on 11:5-6.

    Sumerian pagan stories told of how the god Marduk decided to amass his own followers, thru the help of his warrior son, Nabu. Marduk planned to “take over” the rule of god Enlil on Earth. (The author, Zecharia Sitchin, called this the First Pyramid Wars.) Marduk initially took control of the Sinai Peninsula where the spaceships (Yes, spaceships!) were located.

    To make this long story short, Marduk and Nabu were defeated by the forces of Enlil, and his son, Ninurta. All the followers of Marduk were scattered and went back to their homelands. Marduk was imprisoned inside the great pyramid.

    I would like to emphasize though that these Sumerian stories were taken from different ancient tablets from different archeological finds. I am not in a position to validate the stories themselves.
    But one thing I am sure of. These pagan stories found their way to the biblical book of Genesis.

    “Bible only” believers can always brand these archeological finds as “works of the devil”. Some even say that these ancient texts were actually “copied” from the Bible itself, something that is really an absurd thinking.
    hey bobbycc morning-hieroglyphics and the symbolism
    may pagkakapareha, isang site panga
    parehong pareho

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