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    Sino si Sto Niño?? Para saan ang mga pista??



    The Sto. Niño is part of Philippine history, said writer Nick Joaquin in a 1980 paper delivered before Cebuanos.

    It is such a symbol of Philippine history “because it came with Magellan, became a native pagan idol, was reestablished as a Christian icon by Legazpi, and has become so Filipino that native legends annul its European origin by declaring it to have arisen in this land and to have been of this land since time immemorial.

    In 1521, the expedition of Ferdinand Magellan discovered the Zubu Island for Spain and gifted the Image of Santo Niño to the island queen, Joanna. On his death at the hands of Lapulapu’s Mactan warriors, his men fled back to Spain, leaving the image behind. In its new environment, among sun-loving people, the image stopped to be a Christian symbol. After some vain efforts on the part of the natives to destroy it, as legends say, it endured its new setting and prevailed to become a pagan idol.

    Writer Joaquin talked about these years after the Magellan men left and before the next Spanish expedition came under Miguel Lopez de Legazpi – all 44 unaccounted years. Joaquin said that “during that strange interlude… the wondrous miracle happened: we accepted the Santo Niño as part of our land, part of our culture, part of our history. During those 44 years when the Cross had vanished from our land, the Sto. Niño kept us faithful to him”.

    In those unaccounted years, the Image became part of Cebuano life. And this is probably why when asked about the Image, as it was found in 1565 by the Legazpi expedition in one of the village houses, the natives refused to relate it to the gift of Magellan. They said it was there at the beginning, since ancient times.
    http://mycebuphotoblog.wordpress.com...f-sr-sto-nino/
    Pista ng Sto. Niño

    Ang buwan ng Enero ang itinuturing na panahon ng pagsamba at pagdebosyon sa mahal na Santo Niño. Nandito ang ilan sa mga pista para sa banal na sanggol tuwing buwan ng Enero.

    1. Pista ng Ati-Atihan sa Kalibo, Aklan
    2. Pista ng Sinulog sa Lungsod Cebu
    3. Pista ng Dinagyang sa Lungsod Iloilo
    4. Pista ng Binanog sa Lambunao, Iloilo
    5. Pista ng Sinulog (Kabankalan) sa Lungsod Kabankalan, Negros Occidental
    6. Pista ng Sto. Niño sa Makato sa Makato, Aklan
    7. Pista ng Kahimunan sa Libertad, Lungsod Butuan
    8. Pista ng Batan Ati-ati Malakara sa Batan, Aklan
    9. Pista ng Bansudani sa Bansud, Oriental Mindoro, Oriental Mindoro
    10. Pista ng Sto. Niño sa Altavas sa Altavas, Aklan
    11. Pista ng Ibajay Ati-ati sa Ibajay, Aklan
    12. Pista ng Dinagsa Ati-atihan sa Lungsod Cadiz, Negros Occidental
    13. Pista ng Hinirugyaw sa Calinog, Iloilo
    14. Pista ng Sto. Niño sa Malolos sa Lungsod Malolos, Bulacan
    Nagtataka lang ako, sabi kasi ang Sto Niño daw ay representation of the Child Jesus. You mean nung bata pa si Jesus Sto Niño ang pangalan nya? Meron bang matibay na basehan yan sa Bible? Sa sariling opinyon ko lang naman, ang Sto nino ay ginamait ni Magellan na pang uto sa mga katutubong pinoy dati. Ibig sabihin hanggang ngayon ang dami pading mga uto uto kay Magellan?
    Gising Pinoy! Gising!!!

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    heto pa isang apektado sa traditions naming mga RCCs, at bakit ba puro Bible ang binabato nyo? in the first place sa min galing yan, ano niluluto nyo kami sa sarili naming mantika? uulitin ko - wala pang Bible, may RCC na! kung hindi nakarating dito si Magellan, ano sa palagay mo ang mga pinoy? Muslim - nakasalamuha mo na ba sila?
    I highly doubt that. definitely walang BAs or INC, so ano tayo ngayon? pwede mong gamitin utak mo dito. saka anong Pinoy gising? natutulog ba? ang layo eh!

    Gen. James, is that you? I miss you!

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    Not necessarily, TS. Philippine Literature and History. Listen to your teachers. Read and understand it. Use it or lose it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retxed View Post
    heto pa isang apektado sa traditions naming mga RCCs, at bakit ba puro Bible ang binabato nyo? in the first place sa min galing yan, ano niluluto nyo kami sa sarili naming mantika?
    hahaha nakita ko nanaman sayo yan kuya rexted

    Quote Originally Posted by retxed View Post
    uulitin ko - wala pang Bible, may RCC na! kung hindi nakarating dito si Magellan, ano sa palagay mo ang mga pinoy? Muslim - nakasalamuha mo na ba sila?
    I highly doubt that. definitely walang BAs or INC, so ano tayo ngayon? pwede mong gamitin utak mo dito. saka anong Pinoy gising? natutulog ba? ang layo eh!

    Gen. James, is that you? I miss you!
    sa tingin mu ba si magellan lang ang gagamitin ng Diyos para maikalat ang ebanghelyo? i dont think so

    Kahit di sila dumating gagawa at gagawa ng paraan ang Diyos na muling maibalik ang

    Luke 19:10
    For the Son of Man came to seek and to SAVE the lost.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by cedric_errol View Post
    Not necessarily, TS. Philippine Literature and History. Listen to your teachers. Read and understand it. Use it or lose it.
    Ang hirap sating mga kristyano once na nag contradict ang BIBLIYA sa tradisyon syempre sa inyong mga catholic friends ko eh mas mangingibabaw ang TRADISYON

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    hahaha nakita ko nanaman sayo yan kuya rexted



    sa tingin mu ba si magellan lang ang gagamitin ng Diyos para maikalat ang ebanghelyo? i dont think so

    Kahit di sila dumating gagawa at gagawa ng paraan ang Diyos na muling maibalik ang

    Luke 19:10
    For the Son of Man came to seek and to SAVE the lost.”
    eh paulit-ulit tanong nyo, so dapat lang paulit-ulit din ang sagot! makes sense di ba jeric? 2 + 1 = 3. 3 - 2 = 1, di ba? ayaw nyong tanggapin eh ayaw nyo rin tantanan! recruitment at its best! at
    gamitan mo ako ng verse? gusto mo ibalik ko sa yo yan ng daily life scenarios? jeric, it's not bible alone! bakit ba pinagpipilitan mo? may mga beasts dun, sa tutuong buhay meron ba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by retxed View Post
    eh paulit-ulit tanong nyo, so dapat lang paulit-ulit din ang sagot! makes sense di ba jeric? 2 + 1 = 3. 3 - 2 = 1, di ba? ayaw nyong tanggapin eh ayaw nyo rin tantanan! recruitment at its best! at
    di ko naman pwedeng pagpilitan sayo belief ko nasasayo, ang sakin lang hindi nyo mapapatunayan na sa Catholic Church nagmula si Hesus

    Quote Originally Posted by retxed View Post
    gamitan mo ako ng verse? gusto mo ibalik ko sa yo yan ng daily life scenarios?
    ok lang sige po

    Quote Originally Posted by retxed View Post
    jeric, it's not bible alone! bakit ba pinagpipilitan mo? may mga beasts dun, sa tutuong buhay meron ba?
    beast? hindi ka naniniwala sa nakasulat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeric92002 View Post
    di ko naman pwedeng pagpilitan sayo belief ko nasasayo, ang sakin lang hindi nyo mapapatunayan na sa Catholic Church nagmula si Hesus



    ok lang sige po



    beast? hindi ka naniniwala sa nakasulat?
    wait ka na lang jeric sa sagutan namin ng alternick mong si Pharisee! dun ako sasagot...ya salaam!

  9. #9
    uyy di nga ako yon kuya rexted eh nu ka ba

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    Quote Originally Posted by retxed View Post
    heto pa isang apektado sa traditions naming mga RCCs, at bakit ba puro Bible ang binabato nyo? in the first place sa min galing yan, ano niluluto nyo kami sa sarili naming mantika? uulitin ko - wala pang Bible, may RCC na! kung hindi nakarating dito si Magellan, ano sa palagay mo ang mga pinoy? Muslim - nakasalamuha mo na ba sila?
    I highly doubt that. definitely walang BAs or INC, so ano tayo ngayon? pwede mong gamitin utak mo dito. saka anong Pinoy gising? natutulog ba? ang layo eh!

    Gen. James, is that you? I miss you!
    The Catholic Church proclaims itself to be the Church that Jesus Christ died for, the Church that was established and built by the Apostles. Is that the true origin of the Catholic Church? On the contrary. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will reveal that the Catholic Church does not have its origin in the teachings of Jesus, or His apostles. In the New Testament, there is no mention of the papacy, worship / adoration of Mary (or the immaculate conception of Mary, the perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, or Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix), petitioning saints in Heaven for their prayers, apostolic succession, the ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences, or the equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. So, if the origin of the Catholic Church is not in the teachings of Jesus and His apostles, as recorded in the New Testament, what is the true origin of the Catholic Church?

    For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine “legalized” Christianity at the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313. Later, in A.D. 325, Constantine called together the Council of Nicea, in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.

    Constantine found that with the Roman Empire being so vast, expansive, and diverse – not everyone would agree to forsake their religious beliefs and instead embrace Christianity. So, Constantine allowed, and even promoted, the “Christianization” of pagan beliefs. Completely pagan and utterly unbiblical beliefs were given new “Christian” identities. Some clear examples of this are as follows:

    (1) The Cult of Isis, an Egyptian mother-goddess religion, was absorbed into Christianity by replacing Isis with Mary. Many of the titles that were used for Isis, such as “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” and “theotokos” (God-bearer) were attached to Mary. Mary was given an exalted role in the Christian faith, far beyond what the Bible ascribes to her, in order to attract Isis worshippers to a faith they would not otherwise embrace. Many temples to Isis were, in fact, converted into temples dedicated to Mary. The first clear hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

    (2) Mithraism was a religion in the Roman Empire in the 1st through 5th centuries A.D. It was very popular among the Romans, especially among Roman soldiers, and was possibly the religion of several Roman emperors. While Mithraism was never given “official” status in the Roman empire, it was the de-facto official religion until Constantine and succeeding Roman emperors replaced Mithraism with Christianity. One of the key features of Mithraism was a sacrificial meal, which involved eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a bull. Mithras, the god of Mithraism, was “present” in the flesh and blood of the bull, and when consumed, granted salvation to those who partook of the sacrificial meal (theophagy, the eating of one’s god). Mithraism also had seven “sacraments,” making the similarities between Mithraism and Roman Catholicism too many to ignore. Constantine and his successors found an easy substitute for the sacrificial meal of Mithraism in concept of the Lord’s Supper / Christian Communion. Sadly, some early Christians had already begun to attach mysticism to the Lord’s Supper, rejecting the Biblical concept of a simple and worshipful remembrance of Christ’s death and shed blood. The Romanization of the Lord’s Supper made the transition to a sacrificial consumption of Jesus Christ, now known as the Catholic Mass / Eucharist, complete.

    (3) Most Roman emperors (and citizens) were henotheists. A henotheist is one who believes in the existence of many gods, but focuses primary on one particular god, or considers one particular god supreme over the other gods. For example, the Roman god Jupiter was supreme over the Roman pantheon of gods. Roman sailors were often worshippers of Neptune, the god of the oceans. When the Catholic Church absorbed Roman paganism, it simply replaced the pantheon of gods with the saints. Just as the Roman pantheon of gods had a god of love, a god of peace, a god of war, a god of strength, a god of wisdom, etc., so the Catholic Church has a saint who is “in charge” over each of these, and many other categories. Just as many Roman cities had a god specific to the city, so the Catholic Church provided “patron saints” for the cities.

    (4) The supremacy of the Roman bishop (the papacy) was created with the support of the Roman emperors. With the city of Rome being the center of government for the Roman empire, and with the Roman emperors living in Rome, the city of Rome rose to prominence in all facets of life. Constantine, and his successors, gave their support to the bishop of Rome as the supreme ruler of the church. Of course it is best for the unity of the Roman empire that the government and state religion be centered in the same location. While most other bishops (and Christians) resisted the idea of the Roman bishop being supreme, the Roman bishop eventually rose to supremacy, due to the power and influence of the Roman emperors. When the Roman empire collapsed, the popes took on the title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors – Pontificus Maximus.

    Many more examples could be given. These four should suffice in demonstrating the true origin of the Catholic Church. Of course the Roman Catholic Church denies the pagan origin of its beliefs and practices. The Catholic Church disguises its pagan beliefs under layers of complicated theology. The Catholic Church excuses and denies its pagan origin beneath the mask of “church tradition.” Recognizing that many of its beliefs and practices are utterly foreign to Scripture, the Catholic Church is forced to deny the authority and sufficiency of Scripture.

    The origin of the Catholic Church is the tragic compromise of Christianity with the pagan religions that surrounded it. Instead of proclaiming the Gospel and converting the pagans, the Catholic Church “Christianized” the pagan religions, and “paganized” Christianity. By blurring the differences and erasing the distinctions, yes, the Catholic Church made itself attractive to the people of the Roman empire. One result was the Catholic Church becoming the supreme religion in the “Roman world” for centuries. However, another result was the most dominant form of Christianity apostatizing from the true Gospel of Jesus Christ and the true proclamation of God’s Word.

    2 Timothy 4:3-4 declares, “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

    http://www.gotquestions.org

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    Quote Originally Posted by retxed View Post
    heto pa isang apektado sa traditions naming mga RCCs, at bakit ba puro Bible ang binabato nyo? in the first place sa min galing yan, ano niluluto nyo kami sa sarili naming mantika? uulitin ko - wala pang Bible, may RCC na! kung hindi nakarating dito si Magellan, ano sa palagay mo ang mga pinoy? Muslim - nakasalamuha mo na ba sila?
    I highly doubt that. definitely walang BAs or INC, so ano tayo ngayon? pwede mong gamitin utak mo dito. saka anong Pinoy gising? natutulog ba? ang layo eh!

    Gen. James, is that you? I miss you!
    First of all, the topic here is about Sto Niño.Let's stick to the topic.And kung sasabihin mong sa inyo galing ang bible??Okay ka lang? Walang basehan ang sinasabi mong sa sa inyo nagsimula ang bible. Kung sa inyo nagsimula yon? Bakit ibang iba ang aral ng bibliya sa mga tradisyon nyo??

    Going back to Sto Niño, SINO BANG NAUNA? SI STO NIñO O ANG BIBLIYA?? Bago mag reply, isipin muna kung related kay Sto Niño ang ipopost ha?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinas_Dugyot View Post
    Nagtataka lang ako, sabi kasi ang Sto Niño daw ay representation of the Child Jesus. You mean nung bata pa si Jesus Sto Niño ang pangalan nya? Meron bang matibay na basehan yan sa Bible? Sa sariling opinyon ko lang naman, ang Sto nino ay ginamait ni Magellan na pang uto sa mga katutubong pinoy dati. Ibig sabihin hanggang ngayon ang dami pading mga uto uto kay Magellan?
    Gising Pinoy! Gising!!!

    Niño means baby boy in spanish. so walang problema ang term na yan.

    problema siguro iyung "sto". bakit na-demote yata si jeeeezes. from a god down to a saint!!!

    iyan ang dapat ipaliwanag ng mga kababayan nating mga katoliko.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinas_Dugyot View Post
    First of all, the topic here is about Sto Niño.Let's stick to the topic.And kung sasabihin mong sa inyo galing ang bible??Okay ka lang? Walang basehan ang sinasabi mong sa sa inyo nagsimula ang bible. Kung sa inyo nagsimula yon? Bakit ibang iba ang aral ng bibliya sa mga tradisyon nyo??

    Going back to Sto Niño, SINO BANG NAUNA? SI STO NIñO O ANG BIBLIYA?? Bago mag reply, isipin muna kung related kay Sto Niño ang ipopost ha?
    pwede ka namang sumagot ng hindi copy paste, di ba? ito lang ba argumento mo? ibalik ko tanong mo, so san nga galing Bibliya? Sto. Ñino? nung baby ka, walang kang picture? kawawa ka naman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retxed View Post
    pwede ka namang sumagot ng hindi copy paste, di ba? ito lang ba argumento mo? ibalik ko tanong mo, so san nga galing Bibliya? Sto. Ñino? nung baby ka, walang kang picture? kawawa ka naman.

    Ang topic ng thread ay si Sto Niño at hindi ang pinagmulan ng bibliya. Sinusubukan mo bang ibahin ang paksa? At tungkol naman sa picture ko nung baby ay malinaw na pamemersonal.
    Ngayon napagisip isip ko na walang pagkakaiba ang INC at RCC sa ROT.

    Mas mabuti pa siguro kung magpost ka nalang ng mga bagay na makatutulong sa pagunawa kay Sto Niño. Back read mo mga post mo. Ang layo kay Sto Niño

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    What retxed is trying to imply is that your accusations are baseless since you're using a book canonized by the Catholics. Saying the practices of the catholics wrong is like shooting yourself with a double barrelled shotgun in your foot since the cult or sect that you belong to doesn't have any authority to interpret scriptures as if they're doctrines handed down by the apostles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by froshie1 View Post
    What retxed is trying to imply is that your accusations are baseless since you're using a book canonized by the Catholics. Saying the practices of the catholics wrong is like shooting yourself with a double barrelled shotgun in your foot since the cult or sect that you belong to doesn't have any authority to interpret scriptures as if they're doctrines handed down by the apostles.
    This thread is dedicated only for Sto Nino. Its not my problem kung sapul na sapul ang catholic practices. We're not talking about bible interpretation, Kung wala kayong maipakitang basehan from the bible about Sto Nino, fine! So post something else na patungkol sa Sto nino. Kung wala naman kayong maibahagi about sto nino, just stay away from this thread. Make your own thread if you want. Walang pumipilit sa inyong mag post dito. Shooo! shoo!

  17. #17
    LOLOL! Sino ba nagturo sa inyo na bible lang ang basehan. For all I care, all the icons including the Sto. Nino itself falls on Sacred Tradition. Sino ba ang nauna ang Iglesia or ang Bible na hinahawakan mo.

    You're shooting yourself again on the foot.

  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinas_Dugyot View Post

    Ang topic ng thread ay si Sto Niño at hindi ang pinagmulan ng bibliya. Sinusubukan mo bang ibahin ang paksa? At tungkol naman sa picture ko nung baby ay malinaw na pamemersonal.
    Ngayon napagisip isip ko na walang pagkakaiba ang INC at RCC sa ROT.

    Mas mabuti pa siguro kung magpost ka nalang ng mga bagay na makatutulong sa pagunawa kay Sto Niño. Back read mo mga post mo. Ang layo kay Sto Niño
    ang baba ng low IQ mo tsong! ako namemersonal? I don't think so! eh ano kaya ginagawa mo sa pagpo-post ng kung ano-anong images? hehehe...typical BA! nanghiram ng Bible tapos inangkin, on top of that mali daw un hiniraman! and mind you, walang samin walang pinoy angel! at anong backread? google yang post mo eh!

    Sto. Ñino? so wala ka ngang picture nung baby ka? bat ayaw mo to sagutin? wawa ka naman.

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by sophion View Post
    Niño means baby boy in spanish. so walang problema ang term na yan.

    problema siguro iyung "sto". bakit na-demote yata si jeeeezes. from a god down to a saint!!!

    iyan ang dapat ipaliwanag ng mga kababayan nating mga katoliko.
    Pakipaliwanag na lang po ito. salamat!

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    Feast of Sto Nino = The Feast of the Holy Infant child Jesus. Last sunday's gospel tells us that unless we become like little children, we can’t enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Santo also means holy. Nino means child.

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