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    Question Philippines: The remains of Legendary Civilization. Will you be proud if its true?



    LEMURIA - Fact or Fiction?

    What is Lemuria?
    Lemuria is a modern name for what is historically called the Motherland of Mu (Mu'u). Stories of this Pacific continent, lost under the water, parallel the tales of Atlantis in many ways.

    Where was it?
    Opinions vary as to the outline of the continent. King David Kalākaua commissioned a map that showed a great Pacific landmass and another landmass in the Indian Ocean. Most agree that the Pacific region extended north above Hawai'i, east past Easter Island and to the west at least past Micronesia. Further, the legend says that the area now known as the Hawaiian Islands was the capital district of this land.

    Is there any physical evidence of such a land?
    There is some surprising evidence of an advanced civilization pre-dating the migratory Polynesians. We know that Polynesians in historical times had only rudimentary ability to shape stone. They had no known ability to cut stone in the sense that we would cut bread with a knife. Yet we find quite a few stones cut flat, notched, or precisely fitted throughout the Pacific. This raises the questions of who did the work and where they got this extraordinary technology.

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    I'm no expert in Geology but if such landmass exists then shouldn't the Pacific Ocean be shallow then?

    If it is true. It'll be nice to know if we are descendants of that lost civilization or just immigrants from the mainland.

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    Sayang naman nagastos ni Natalie para sa Wikipedia link ko kung malalaos nako dahil notorious ako kahit saan dalhin kahit sa ilalim ng lupa kasama mga uod na di ko makakasundo.

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    di ba sa Pacific matatagpuan ang Marianas Trench? yung pinakamalalim na part ng katubigan? hindi pa kapani-paniwala ngayon.

    Bumisita po kayo sa www.mapanuringpinoy.blogspot.com

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    Red Dragon, here's also a more detailed version of the legendary continent of MU or Lemuria:



    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/at..._lemuria_3.htm

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    I would also like to share my personal researches to your thread, eventually in the span of my research it led to even more fantastic discoveries that ultimately tied up with the legendary continent of MU, and even supported the out of Sundaland Theory that Albertus shared! Hence I shall name it "Ric Vil Hori's Cibolan Theory,' internet age style


    Did the Nation's ancient history originate from Southern Mindanao?


    Did ancient Humanity originate from the foothills of Mt. Apo?!?



    of Davao's Cibolan River, American Indians, and "Golden City"



    further proofs for my Cibolan Theory : )
    Last edited by visionarylink; Jan 3, 2011 at 02:29 PM.

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    no truth to a previously unknown land mass this big, as far as i can see. the major land masses since pre-cambrian times have been confirmed. they may drift apart or slam into each other from time to time (hundreds of millions of years each) but they're still here.

    on the other hand, patterns of human migration, whether sea-born or through land bridges during the ice age often gives rise to legendary lands (the imagination can make it as big as it can allow.) but i don't think that big an area of the pacific used to be dry land. just not possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cretinous00 View Post


    no truth to a previously unknown land mass this big, as far as I can see. the major land masses since pre-cambrian times have been confirmed. they may drift apart or slam into each other from time to time (hundreds of millions of years each) but they're still here.

    on the other hand, patterns of human migration, whether sea-born or through land bridges during the ice age often gives rise to legendary lands (the imagination can make it as big as it can allow.) but i don't think that big an area of the pacific used to be dry land. just not possible.
    from my research there is proof that such a large mass may had existed in the Pacific many thousands of years ago. There is a geological phenomenon called Subduction that actually revealed the crust in Pacific area to be subsiding at a rate of 3 inches/year. this ultimately explained the existence of unusually deep tenches in the ocean such as the Marianas Trench and Philippine deep where the crust are pushed further down these trenches.



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    As the crust are melted into magma, it then shoots up into the surface, thus forming volcanic islands and among these the Philippine islands and in particular, Davao's Mt. Apo. I had climbed over its peak once and discovered many limestone boulders and even a portion with white sand similar to that of beaches! This proved that from where Mt. Apo stood was once a beach area until it erupted into a large volcano, forming a larger island that now presently exists as Mindanao.

    Further evidences of massive geological upheaval were discovered in the seas of Yonaguni, Japan of an amazing ancient, submerged city, more awesome was the discovery of an etched human figure that seemed to be a native American with feathered headgear! This ultimately provided clues that there once was link between the America's and even further down as Japan. The amazing thing is even the Native americans' still remembered the word Cibola just as the Bagobo Peoples had mentioned that all tribes originated from Cibolan River and that they will recall it, which in fact the word is not from their native american language but actually originated from Dravidian language of India! And Cibola, or "Golden City" was one of the many names of ancient Lemuria!




    Amazingly, the underwater ruins in Yonaguni, Japan had similarity with the ruins of ancient cities in the America's, as well as that of the giant, mysterious stone faces in Easter Island, further confirming that an ancient geological upheaval with such a huge scope could have indeed existed, and that these ultimately sunked in a process called subduction, bringing down a once ancient and mighty civilization with it under the waters.



    Except, for a few rare survivors that survived as their land mass separated or transformed into large volcanic islands, and among them was the remnant of ancient Lemuria, the Philippine archipelago and particularly the island of Mindanao specifically Cibolan river in the foothills of Mt. Apo!
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    another fantasy thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdarcega View Post
    another fantasy thread.
    it would be a pleasure to smash such arrogant, close minded paradigms to smithereens.

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    first off, you have to make your time scales clear. full subduction of an oceanic plate takes hundreds of millions of years. man hasn't been around that long. the island arcs that you know now were the same as when man evolved out of africa (or china, or wherever.) that was maybe 100,000 to 1 million years ago. the only difference then and now is cyclical cooling and warming that drastically changes sea level and shorelines. during cooling (due in 5,000 years) the sea level goes down several hundred feet and islands start inter-connecting.

    the sand and limestone you saw at the peak of mt apo is probably the latest deposition that happened in the plio-pliestocene epoch les than 20,000 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cretinous00 View Post
    ^^^
    first off, you have to make your time scales clear. full subduction of an oceanic plate takes hundreds of millions of years. man hasn't been around that long. the island arcs that you know now were the same as when man evolved out of africa (or china, or wherever.) that was maybe 100,000 to 1 million years ago. the only difference then and now is cyclical cooling and warming that drastically changes sea level and shorelines. during cooling (due in 5,000 years) the sea level goes down several hundred feet and islands start inter-connecting.

    the sand and limestone you saw at the peak of mt apo is probably the latest deposition that happened in the plio-pliestocene epoch les than 20,000 years ago.
    could you expound on this further? it somehow coincided because from my research supposedly the ancient Lemurian continent ultimately sank about 22,600 yrs. ago that also bore our island archipelago formed by magma rising from the surface.

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    ok, i got mixed up in my time scale as well. plio-pleistocene is around 2.5 million years ago, not 22,000 years.

    the quaternary period is the present peiod in geologic history, so far stetching to 2.5 million years in the past. it covers two epochs, the pleistocene from 2.5 million to 11,000 years ago, and the holocene (where we are right now) starting from 11,000 years ago. the wiki says during this scant 2.5 million years, continents drifted a mere 100 kilometers laterally. that hardly means anything. glaciation, on the other hand, started 2.5 million years ago and still happens today but with short cycles of warming and cooling.

    in a philippine setting, man entered the islands between 1.0 million and 200,000 years ago (we don't know if there were any older men than that) right smack during the pleistocine which, world-wide, was marked by quite a lot of glaciation, coming from the previous peiod (tertiary) and its last epoch (pliocene.)

    what marks the difference between pliocene of the teriary and pleistocene of the quaternary? much of the philippines before 2.5 million years was under-water. we have lots of limetone deposits to prove that. most of the limestone you sea around the visayas, mindanao and luzon, those crowning the tops of mountains and the chocolate hills, are our youngest limestones of plio-pleistocene age. these limesones are flat-lying to dipping at most 5 degrees, unlike the older limestones in the tertiary that are highly deformed and "marble-lized." the type locality of this young limestone is the one in carcar, cebu. that's why geologists generalize it as "carcar limestone."

    after carcar, we know that the sea level started going down due to glaciation, exposing the coral reefs that was to become carcar limestone, and exposing shallow sea beads. rivers started cutting into these beds further exposing older rock. these land bridges formed enough to allow men to walk over from china. the holocene epoch began 11,000 years ago with a new cycle of warming (land bridges disappear) and the islands become "islands" again.

    therefore, the pacific islands having a much bigger land area before 10,000 BC is not at all laughable but a geologic fact. what is unlikely is that sea level could not have gone down more than 1 mile which is the ocean floor (actually reaches to 6 miles.)

    so that big a portion of the pacific could not have been exposed when man was already walking about.

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    It would be cool if it was true! I believe there is SO MUCH blank spaces that need to be filled in in our history!

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    here's a graphic video describing the Subduction phenomenon that may provide clue with the sinking of ancient Lemurian continent along the Marianas Trench and Philippine Deep in the Pacific Ocean:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRer...=16&playnext=2

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    put the lost-due-to-subduction to rest only oceanic plates can be subducted down into the mantle and fully consumed. continents don't subduct. they crumple upwards like the himalayas (india slamming into china.) granitic continents have generally stayed above water except for some places. these submerged parts can find themselves thrown up by tectonic movements but that again is on a time scale fare beyond known human existence.

    again, my theory regardign this belief is simply shallow parts of the pacific where you have island arcs that eventually 'drowned' due to warming around 10,000 years ago.

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    Sundaland fits the bill...







    The Sunda Shelf off modern Indonesia, Malaysia, some parts of the Philippines and Indo-China, which at LGM (last glacial maximum, about 16,000 years ago) would have been a gigantic plain, 'Sundaland', linking together the above mentioned countries above into a single peninsula-shaped landmass twice the size of India (itself 3,000,000 sq. km. in area today)
    shamelessly copypasted

    Out of Sundaland theory by Oppenheimer-Solheim-Richards in agreement with Ric Vil Hori's Cibolan Theory... http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...d.php?t=413753

    Repostings(Genetic evidence) from other threads:

    First wave is our Out of Africa beach combing ancestors, who land trekked and waded through shallow waters when much of Southeast Asia were connected by landbridges and were known as the Sundaland subcontinent.

    I am inclined to believe that even Proto-Caucasoid Australoids like the Dravidians originated in the blessed isles(known among the ancients as Suvarnadvipa or Chryse Chersonese or Cibolan or known simply in scientific parlance as the Sundaland subcontinent during the height of the last Ice Age-Last Glacial Maximum) simply because the Kunlun people(Aeta negritos) are bearing the K* haplotype, the ancestral patriline to R haplogroup(Caucasoids), O haplogroup(Mongoloids), M and S haplogroups(Melanesians) and Q haplogroup(Amerindians).

    The paternal Y chromosome haplotype findings of Chu et al and Su et al concluded that East Asian Mongoloids came from Southeast Asia. The K* haplotype from SEA is probably the source of the Mongoloid Haplogroup O as well as Haplogroup N while it is virtually absent in Central Asia as well as the Near East.

    In the newer Karafet studies, K* as well as NO* is found in the Philippine isles among Aetas, Surigaonons and Butanons. Those patrilines being ancestral to majority of Eurasians; Asians and Europeans.

    The northern route or via Central Asia as Orthodox academicians preferred lack those K* and NO* markers and thus proving the southern route in the migrations of humans from Africa to South Asia then to Southeast Asia. Then K splitted to NO then splitted to O1, O2, O3 as they migrated up north. The Southern Route was verified by both Chu et al and Su et al and reflected on newer studies as well.

    Outward migrations from Sundaland occured during the Deluvial period, end of the last ice age, through a series of rising sea levels from 15,000 years ago to the most recent 5,000 years ago which afforded fast tracking of maritime technologies(boat building and navigational techniques) as great mass of land get smaller and get separated by bodies of water becoming the various isles of the Philippines and the rest of maritime SEA.

    The Deluge akin to the Biblical Flood could have been so catastrophic to cause a huge Population bottleneck.

    I picture a fork in the migration from ISEA formerly Sundaland subcontinent, the First branch from Eastern Indonesia and Southern Philippines northward going to Taiwan, and the Second branch from Eastern Indonesia and Southern Philippines going to Mainland SEA bypassing Taiwan and ever more northward to EAST ASIA, to the Sino Tibetan groups. Another branch from Southern Philippines and Eastern Indonesia to Oceania. And later on just in recent prehistory, another branch from Indonesia or the Philippines going westward to Madagascar.

    Instead of everything radiating from Mainland SEA as other proposed, I see everything radiating from Island SEA(Sundaland) or Rizal's Nuestro Perdido Eden.

    Regarding Haplogroup N:
    A counter-clockwise northern route of the Y-chromosome haplogroup N from Southeast Asia towards Europe

    http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v.../5201748a.html

    Although having variable frequency scales, the spatial distributions for ancestral paragroup NO-M214*, paragroup N-M231* and the prevalent hg O-M175 (Figure 2a, c, d) are generally congruent and highlight Southeast Asia as the most parsimonious source region of these clades.
    There is a Genetic Continuum between Australoids and Caucasoids in South Asia just like in Southeast Asia(SEA), there is a genetic continuum between the Mongoloids and the Australoids. Indians are not Aryans from Central Asia up north invading/colonising/interbreeding with Dravidians from the South. But rather the Aryans R1b Western European Caucasoid haplotype and Eastern European South Asian R1a, R2 haplotype descended via the P haplotype from the Australoid K haplotype(with its daugher L haplotype and its ancestral C haplotype are also found in South Asia) or in layman's term, both the Aryans and the Dravidians shared the same ancestry in South Asia with the former who went northward then going to Central Asia and to the Middle East, then finally going to Europe. R splitted from K via P haplotype. Mongoloid O haplogroup also came from the K haplotype. C, D, K haplogroups travelled southward into SEA then northwards with K splitting to the various O haplogroups of East Asians and SEAsians. N, P, Q, S, and T all splitted from K. P haplotype the immediate ancestry of R haplogroup as accdg to wiki splitted from K during 20,000 to 40,000 yrs ago from Central Asia and siberia which is quite impossible knowing that the last glacial maximum which started 70,000 yrs ago and ending 10,000yrs ago was all covered with ice or if not in a very inhospitable condition. I wager tropical South Asia as the place of the splitting of R from P just like L splitted from K in South Asia also just about the same time. Himalayan mountain ranges were covered with very thick glaciers which extended into the Hindu Kush mountain ranges(Hindu killer) preventing southward migration from Central Asia and the Middle East respectively refuting the Aryan invasion theory with the Aryans coming from the chilly north. So, you have in the wiki, R haplotype in about 20,000yrs ago either originated in South Asia, Central Asia or the Middle East. I wager South Asia is the correct one and not Central Asia for the above reason. And only in the end of the last glacial period during 10-15,000 yrs ago, when R migrated to the Middle East crossing the terrible Hindu Kush mountain ranges and to the arid Central Asia steppes, which then became hospitable as the glaciers retreated. Current researchers have it backwards, it should be northward migration and not southward migration as the icy sheet retreated and making the northern arid steppe areas more hospitable to humans.

    Sumerians seemed to be related to the Austrics(Austro Asiatic plus Austronesian) of South Asia and SEA. The Sumerian civilization, the first civilization in the Middle East, sprung forth from the Indus civililizatios. Indus civilizations in turn were founded by migrants from Greater India aka Suvarnadvipa, Chryse Chersonese, Gold Islands, Blessed Isles, Cibolan, or Sundaland.

    Western Civilization owes itself to the Civilizations in Indus Valley. Western Civilization came from the Romans'. The Romans' from the Greeks'. The Greeks' from the Phoenicians and the Ancient Egyptians. Phoenicians' from the Sumerians'. Accdg to the Ancient Egyptian, their motherland was Punt in the Eritrean sea(Sundaland) and so the Brazilian scientist's story goes.

    Btw, T haplotype also known as K2, a direct offshoot of K haplotype(Non African) is found among Egyptians, Ethiopians, and Indians particularly Dravidians and Austro-Asiatics. So proving that from South Asia, R haplogroup migrants together with T haplotype migrated northwards and westwards during the Deluvial period(end of the last Ice age) and with the T haplotype finding its way into the Middle East then to Northeast Africa to the horn of Africa. T haplotype found its way into Europe too and among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. Sumerian, Ancient Egyptian and Indus Valley Civilizations were all interconnected.

    btw, Austro Asiatic and Austronesian shared the same ancestry Austro Dravidian...

    Austro Dravidian... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/lang.htm

    Austric influence to India... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/austric.htm

    Sumerian and Austric language connection... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/sumer.htm

    Austronesian Navigation and migration... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/austro.htm

    The Tropical Rainforest could be the biblical Lost Paradise immortalized in the masterpieces of John Milton
    http://avrotor.blogspot.com/2010/12/part-1...last-stand.html


    Tropical Eden?
    http://sambali.blogspot.com/2007/01/garden...n-glossary.html
    http://sambali.blogspot.com/2005/03/edens-bearings.html


    Sundaland is said to be the birthplace of agriculture, civilization and religion (proto-Hinduism shamanism) and so Eden is in the East as Stephen Oppenheimer said verifying what various esoteric practitioners of old have long known before even without any access to any genetic study. To the latter, what Albert Einstein said rings true, " Inspiration is greater than Knowledge." So the Aryans are very likely descendants from the Dravidians debunking the Aryan Invasion Theory... http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/r.../atlantis.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdarcega View Post
    another fantasy thread.
    Wala namang sigurong masama kung magfantasize tayo kahit na totoo o hindi na mula tayo sa isang Legendary civilization kaysa sa Katotohanang naging Alipin tayo ng ilang daang taon.

    Malay mo totoo.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrconfusion87 View Post
    It would be cool if it was true! I believe there is SO MUCH blank spaces that need to be filled in in our history!
    Yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by visionarylink View Post
    I would also like to share my personal researches to your thread, eventually in the span of my research it led to even more fantastic discoveries that ultimately tied up with the legendary continent of MU, and even supported the out of Sundaland Theory that Albertus shared! Hence I shall name it "Ric Vil Hori's Cibolan Theory,' internet age style


    Did the Nation's ancient history originate from Southern Mindanao?


    Did ancient Humanity originate from the foothills of Mt. Apo?!?



    of Davao's Cibolan River, American Indians, and "Golden City"



    further proofs for my Cibolan Theory : )
    You would do yourself a great favor if you contact the defunct Pilipino Komiks and have your researches published. That will confirm your insanitiy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cretinous00 View Post
    put the lost-due-to-subduction to rest only oceanic plates can be subducted down into the mantle and fully consumed. continents don't subduct. they crumple upwards like the himalayas (india slamming into china.) granitic continents have generally stayed above water except for some places. these submerged parts can find themselves thrown up by tectonic movements but that again is on a time scale fare beyond known human existence.

    again, my theory regardign this belief is simply shallow parts of the pacific where you have island arcs that eventually 'drowned' due to warming around 10,000 years ago.
    you may have a point, but I guess the speculation as to the size of such a land mass would be understandable as there were yet no detailed documents that specifically mentioned the geographical characteristic of MU or Lemuria. However, I believe that there indeed existed land masses within these areas, a profound chapter in the history of our planet, despite its very ancient occurence that possibly spanned for hundreds of thousands of years, could just not fade away and be forgotten, but will persistently linger on, and ultimately will finally reveal itself when the reckoning comes, for it is TRUTH.

    When I do personal research my personal strategy was to find as many sources and not just rely on a single source to verify its accuracy. The true knowledge always often fit in with the other, amazingly like jigsaw puzzle, no matter how distant those sources were. I have also befriended an individual from Europe and we shared very profound knowledge for almost a decade now for the insights he gave were part of his ancient ancestry, as his lineage was that of the Vikings. Amazingly, the knowledge he shared not only fit continuously with my later personal researches, but it even enhanced them.

    I remembered someone whom I met at a politics chat. He singled me out from among the chatters in the room and IM'd me. He turned out to be an Indian historian adept with his nation's ancient documents. He was contemptuous of Western historians that attmepted to narrate the history of his country in mainstream educational sytems because some were inaccurate or deliberately twisted to suit western agenda.

    He then revealed to me about his research that if I recall it right there once existed 7 (or 5?) powerful subcontinents, and from these continents there was the most powerful one, and from it there were 5 (or 7?) nations, and the most powerful nation of them all, he revealed, our archipelagic islands and his country India, was once part of. This ultimately confirmed when I did personal research and revealed that the mot powerful nation in ancient MU or Lemuria, was the land of MAHARLOKA, that further revealed and confirmed my research as to where the word MAHARLIKA came from. It was also a warrior nation. I have experienced a profound confirmation when upon continued research of the word MAHARLIKA, there awakened a deep, integral part of me. It was amazing, as if MAHARLIKA is a profound word, like a Mantra that shall awaken a profound part of your Self.

    There was also the confirmation of the narrative of Plato about our ancient ancestors, much older than the biblical Adam and Eve, that coincided with of the myths one of the Indigenous peoples in Mindanao, the Bilaan tribe, whom the Bagobo tribe specifically mentioned were part of their diaspora history. Plato also mentioned that these ancient ancestors were warriors for they were capable of challenging the gods.

    Admiral Byrd also confirmed the existence of ancient Lemurians, albeit even at more fantastically modern scale, for the highly advanced Beings that he encountered were actually the offsprings of survivors of ancient Lemuria after its profound demise in the surface, and that they could trace their civilization very much older, perhaps spanning hundreds of thousands of years, than surface Terrans. They survived the ancient catastrophe by hiding in huge subterranenan chambers, and some cultures in the surface did narrate their creation mythology wherein their ancestors emerged from underground caves.

    another intriguing discovery from my personal research was that another Davao tribe, the Samal tribe, have amazing similarity with the creation myth of ancient Sumerians, said to be the oldest civilization in the known world. It will ultimately explain the relation of the asteroid belt and the planet now called Earth. It will also further support the existence of ancient Lemuria.

    another obvious correlation with such ancient knowledge that we could relate even up to the present, was our name for our planet: MUndo, definitely originating from our ancient Motherland, MU, or Lemuria.
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