Deuteronomy 22:20-21

[banimalek]

Nawala naba ang kautusan na ito ng Diyos ng bibliya, kung nawala po ay saan po ito mababasa.


Deuteronomy 22 (New International Version, ©2010)

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.


Sana po ay masagot po ay masagot po at maiwasan ang baling paksa.

Thanks and peace!

[SamLowry]

^^^ both books have atrocious doctrines. the real question is which adherents TODAY actually carry out these barbaric prescriptions.

it doesn't matter if the bible said, "women are worthless cum-buckets". what's important is: which religiously dominated countries TODAY treat women (including your mother, sister and daughter) better and afford them equality?

which religion/country today would most likely STONE women to death, bani? bible country or koran country? honestly?

[banimalek]

^^^ both books have atrocious doctrines. the real question is which adherents TODAY actually carry out these barbaric prescriptions.

it doesn't matter if the bible said, "women are worthless cum-buckets". what's important is: which religiously dominated countries TODAY treat women (including your mother, sister and daughter) better and afford them equality?

which religion/country today would most likely STONE women to death, bani? bible country or koran country? honestly?

Puwede po ba pakisagot lang po ng deretsahan at sa umpisa ng thread ko ay nakiusap ako na wala pong baling paksa.

Ang tanong ko kasi ay kung abrogated naba ang utos na iyan o wala pa, kung abrogated po ay saan po iyong katibayan sa bibliya.

Again, wala pong baling paksa kasi alam ko na diyan ninyo dadalhin ang usapin na ito.

[SamLowry]

irrelevant and pointless post.

I'd rather be around scriptural cherry-picking and hypocritical christians than consistent and uncompromising koran/hadith believers.

waste of bandwidth.

[Pinas_Dugyot]

The Old Testament

Life was harsh for the Hebrews in early Old Testament history. They had just been freed from slavery in Egypt, and wandered in the desert for 40 years. When they finally reached the promised land they had to fight almost constantly to take and hold it. There were few options for dealing with offenders in a society that moved frequently and struggled just to survive. The penalty for most crimes was either death, beating or banishment from the tribe.

The Old Testament Law prescribed the death penalty for an extensive list of crimes.

* Murder (Exodus 21:12-14; Leviticus 24:17,21)
* Attacking or cursing a parent (Exodus 21:15,17)
* Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16)
* Failure to confine a dangerous animal, resulting in death (Exodus 21:28-29)
* Witchcraft and sorcery (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27, Deuteronomy 13:5, 1 Samuel 28:9)
* Sex with an animal (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:16)
* Doing work on the Sabbath (Exodus 31:14, 35:2, Numbers 15:32-36)
* Incest (Leviticus 18:6-18, 20:11-12,14,17,19-21)
* Adultery (Leviticus 20:10; Deuteronomy 22:22)
* Homosexual acts (Leviticus 20:13)
* Prostitution by a priest's daughter (Leviticus 21:9)
* Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14,16, 23)
* False prophecy (Deuteronomy 18:20)
* Perjury in capital cases (Deuteronomy 19:16-19)
* False claim of a woman's virginity at time of marriage (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
* Sex between a woman pledged to be married and a man other than her betrothed (Deuteronomy 22:23-24)

The New Testament

The New Testament does not have any specific teachings about capital punishment. However, the Old Testament ideas of punishment became secondary to Jesus' message of love and redemption. Both reward and punishment are seen as properly taking place in eternity, rather than in this life.

Jesus said His mission was not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17-20). However, He and His apostles greatly modified our understanding of God's intentions. Love is the principle that must guide all our actions (Matthew 5:43-48, 22:34-40, Mark 12:28-34, Luke 10:25-28, Romans 13:9-10, Galatians 5:14). Christians are bound by Jesus' commands to "Love the Lord your God" and "Love your neighbor as yourself." We are no longer bound by the harsh Old Testament Law (John 1:16-17, Romans 8:1-3, 1 Corinthians 9:20-21).

Jesus flatly rejected the Old Testament principle of taking equal revenge for a wrong done (Matthew 5:38-41, Luke 9:52-56). He also said that we are all sinners and do not have the right to pass judgment on one another (Matthew 7:1-5). In the case of a woman caught in adultery (a capital offense), Jesus said to those who wanted to stone her to death,

"Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." And once again he bent down and wrote on the ground. When they heard it, they went away, one by one, beginning with the elders; and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus straightened up and said to her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" She said, "No one, sir." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you. Go your way, and from now on do not sin again." (NRSV, John 8:7-11)

The apostle Paul also warned against taking revenge for a wrong done (Romans 12:17-21, 1 Thessalonians 5:15). Likewise, the apostle Peter warned us not to repay evil with evil (1 Peter 3:9).

check this:http://www.askthebible.com/islam.htm

[tonton]

"women are worthless cum-buckets"

Hoy!!!

[SamLowry]

^^^ wooops. sorry for the language. stupid thread anyway.

[Kolmogorov]

Nawala naba ang kautusan na ito ng Diyos ng bibliya, kung nawala po ay saan po ito mababasa.


Deuteronomy 22 (New International Version, ©2010)

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.


Sana po ay masagot po ay masagot po at maiwasan ang baling paksa.

Thanks and peace!

Ang sabi ni Hesus "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

So sino ngayon ang qualified diyan?

[rmf]

banimalek, bakit ka kasi nagsusumiksik sa "OLD Testament"??? kaya nga may "NEW" dahil pinalitan na yung old.

kaya di na applicable yan... yung Quran mo na lang ang asikasuhin mo....

[Pinas_Dugyot]

banimalek, bakit ka kasi nagsusumiksik sa "OLD Testament"??? kaya nga may "NEW" dahil pinalitan na yung old.

kaya di na applicable yan... yung Quran mo na lang ang asikasuhin mo....

Unfortunately there are numerous Faults and Errors in the Koran (Quran) including Historical errors, Various versions, unsubstantiated stories, Inherent Contradictions. Muslims such as Dr Zakir Naik who try to criticise the Bible deliberately distort and dishonestly misquote scripture to suit their own arguments. A Zakir quote "If Osama Bin Laden is terrorizing the enemies of Islam, I am with him. If he is terrorizing America, the biggest terrorist, then I am with him. Every Muslim should be a terrorist." Zakir, A sad individual who promotes violence and death, a core belief of Islam.

check this out: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[Ischaramoochie]

Hoy!!!

siguro he meant the latin "cum" = with

women are worthless with buckets

[rickym]

Ang sabi ni Hesus "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

So sino ngayon ang qualified diyan?

mother mary?

[Kraven]

Christ forgave and saved the prostitute from death. Mohammad ordered the execution of an adulterous mother in front of her child. I'm just laying out the facts.

[Maria_OZ]

thats the fact kraven, compare to the teachings of quran, there are no mercy to the adulterers

Ang sabi ni Hesus "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

So sino ngayon ang qualified diyan?

of course a person without sin but the teachings of quran are all of them qualified to throw the first stone.

[rickym]

Christ forgave and saved the prostitute from death. Mohammad ordered the execution of an adulterous mother in front of her child. I'm just laying out the facts.

that's christ, do you know the things the father did?

[Pinas_Dugyot]

that's christ, do you know the things the father did?

Of course.

now what?

[incsc]

Nawala naba ang kautusan na ito ng Diyos ng bibliya, kung nawala po ay saan po ito mababasa.


Deuteronomy 22 (New International Version, ©2010)

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.


Sana po ay masagot po ay masagot po at maiwasan ang baling paksa.

Thanks and peace!

Opo, nawala na 'yan.

"and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.

In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"

When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.""
~John 8:4-5,7 NIV

Stoning is a form of judgment and death is the sentence. What Jesus has taught us is that there's only one judge, which is God, therefore since we are sinners, we are claiming to be God if we cast the first stone.

And Apostle Paul have elaborated this view,

"Then Paul said to him, "God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!""
~Acts 23:3 NIV

Then again in Hebrews,

"to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,"
~Hebrews 12:23 NIV

The point is banimalek, we should be judge of our own selves, not of others, since God is the judge of all men.

So in the case of Deuteronomy 22:20-21,

"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."
~Hebrews 13:4 NIV

[sophion]

Nawala naba ang kautusan na ito ng Diyos ng bibliya, kung nawala po ay saan po ito mababasa.


Deuteronomy 22 (New International Version, ©2010)

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.


Sana po ay masagot po ay masagot po at maiwasan ang baling paksa.

Thanks and peace!

oo wala na nga ang kautusan na yan kayat miski mga Hudyo hindi na ginagawa yan.

so bakit nawala? kasi pinatungan ng Moslem Dome of the Rock eh. kayat di makagawa ng templo mga hudyo na magpapatupad ng kautusan na yan!

[SamLowry]

Xtians, you do know that the adulterous woman anecdote is a later addition and not found in the earliest manuscripts, right? It's a legend added to a legend, hundreds of years after the supposed events.

Learn something about how the bible was assembled for chrissakes if you're basing your life on it.

[Ischaramoochie]

^ pero santa claus still exists!!!