IF I say Islam is a false religion publicly, do muslims have license to kill me?

[razzer_rising]

okay I know this thread my look like a flame thread. pero I just want real honest question from our muslim brothers and sisters. this one is a hypothetical question:

say for example Im in a muslim country, with quranic laws (is that correct term for it?) and I say publicly that Islam is not the true religion, that Muhammad is not a prophet, and that Allah is a false God, can I be put to death based on quran?

gosh Mooch, if you think this is not a valid thread, its okay if you delete this, I will understand. but hopefully, somebody a muslim will answer my thread before you delete this one

[TheCitizen]

Yes, many people have been executed (especially in the middle east) for "Insulting" islam.

[retxed]

okay I know this thread my look like a flame thread. pero I just want real honest question from our muslim brothers and sisters. this one is a hypothetical question:

say for example Im in a muslim country, with quranic laws (is that correct term for it?) and I say publicly that Islam is not the true religion, that Muhammad is not a prophet, and that Allah is a false God, can I be put to death based on quran?

gosh Mooch, if you think this is not a valid thread, its okay if you delete this, I will understand. but hopefully, somebody a muslim will answer my thread before you delete this one

that's blasphemy....and the end result is death! hint? this is so rampant in Pakistan/Iran where a number of Catholics live.

quranic laws, it's Sharia! do want to know more about it?

[joma_s]

subukan mo and i wili issue a fatwa for your death....

[kos_mos]

okay I know this thread my look like a flame thread. pero I just want real honest question from our muslim brothers and sisters. this one is a hypothetical question:

say for example Im in a muslim country, with quranic laws (is that correct term for it?) and I say publicly that Islam is not the true religion, that Muhammad is not a prophet, and that Allah is a false God, can I be put to death based on quran?

gosh Mooch, if you think this is not a valid thread, its okay if you delete this, I will understand. but hopefully, somebody a muslim will answer my thread before you delete this one

Before I give you my answer to your question, I want you to answer me this question of mine.

Why on earth would you, a guest in a Muslim country, plan of disturbing the peace of mind of the people living there by insulting their religion? What would drive you to do that?

I mean, honestly, why oh why?

If you answer me this, then rest assured, I give you my word that I will in return give you my answer re your own question.

[retxed]

Before I give you my answer to your question, I want you to answer me this question of mine.

Why on earth would you, a guest in a Muslim country, plan of disturbing the peace of mind of the people living there by insulting their religion? What would drive you to do that?

I mean, honestly, why oh why?

If you answer me this, then rest assured, I give you my word that I will in return give you my answer re your own question.

tama! may point ka dito! eh pano naman mga taga sweden? nabasa mo ba un recent bombing? almost identical na baligtad as against sa posting mo ngayon.

[kos_mos]

tama! may point ka dito! eh pano naman mga taga sweden? nabasa mo ba un recent bombing? almost identical na baligtad as against sa posting mo ngayon.

Hay naku.. you people like to mix between the religion and some of its followers.

And you are not even satisfied with that.

If the followers became twisted for a reason that they only know, you try to twist the teachings of the religion just so as to prove that what the twisted followers did was in fact based on the teachings of the religion.

retxed, if that was done by Muslims, then they have a twisted understanding of Islam. That is all I will say.

But if you wish to continue with your argument, then you may say that all Muslims, including myself, are the same with the ones who carried out those bombings.

[razzer_rising]

Before I give you my answer to your question, I want you to answer me this question of mine.

Why on earth would you, a guest in a Muslim country, plan of disturbing the peace of mind of the people living there by insulting their religion? What would drive you to do that?

I mean, honestly, why oh why?

If you answer me this, then rest assured, I give you my word that I will in return give you my answer re your own question.

Example, Im a muslim and Im in Manila. I can say plainly without change in my tone Christianity is a false religion. I doubt anyone would kill me. Another example, again Im a muslim, Im talking to a priest, "you know father, your religion is false, jesus is only a man, Allah is the real God, and Muhammad is his prophet". I doubt the priest would kill me. It may start a debate, or worse, I would be thrown from the church. but gosh can you say that also in a muslim country? can you say "I dont believe in Islam, I dont believe in Allah, I dont believe in Muhammad."

ganito na lang: will plain and simple verbal statement "I dont believe in Islam, I dont believe in Allah, I dont believe in Muhammad" cause me death based on quran?

[yaridude]

@TS

Always respect the customs and traditions of any territory or suffer the consequence of being ostracized or suffer the full extent of their laws by disrespecting what they value most.

Would you like a guest in your house just goes around and has a negative comment on anything that you value? I think you will have non of it as well.

[kos_mos]

Hmm.. you didn't help me much with your answer, but I guess that's fine.

You see my friend, there's a difference between your original post, in which what the reader would understand is you are going to a public place and just say 'Your religion is false', and now the example you are giving

So as to avoid any mix ups, I'll give the answer in detail.

1. You stand in public and shout that Islam is false or curse God, the Prophet, or make mockery of Islam.


Individual Muslims have no right, i.e. not licensed to kill you nor harm you, but I cannot guarantee that you will be left unharmed by some whose jealousy towards their religion is strong. And can you blame them? You are insulting them right in the face for God's sake.

It is the government that may hold you for your public stunt. If you are a Muslim, by doing that, one becomes a non-Muslim, and I assume the government would advice you and give you time to reconsider. It may choose to punish or not, that's its discretion.

But my emphasis is no individual Muslim have no right to harm nor kill in this case.

Example, Im a muslim and Im in Manila. I can say plainly without change in my tone Christianity is a false religion. I doubt anyone would kill me. Another example, again Im a muslim, Im talking to a priest, "you know father, your religion is false, jesus is only a man, Allah is the real God, and Muhammad is his prophet". I doubt the priest would kill me. It may start a debate, or worse, I would be thrown from the church.

2. Your example in which you said one is talking to another and telling him what one believes in the course of discussion or simple dialogue, whether Muslim to Christian or Christian to Muslim is normal.

Why would a Muslim kill a Christian if a Christian says he doesn't believe in what the Muslims believe? That's commonsense.

(The problem with you my dear, is you are mixing between outright insult and normal conversation, and Muslim saying it or Christian saying it)

but gosh can you say that also in a muslim country? can you say "I dont believe in Islam, I dont believe in Allah, I dont believe in Muhammad."

3. It is commonsense for a Muslim or Christian to know that each of them do not believe in what the other believe in, or at least not all. So if you say that to a Muslim in the course of conversation, why would they kill you? Honestly?

ganito na lang: will plain and simple verbal statement "I dont believe in Islam, I dont believe in Allah, I dont believe in Muhammad" cause me death based on quran?

As a Muslim, by saying that, one is considered a non-Muslim immediately and I have provided the answer for this.

But as Christian saying that- of course you do not believe in Allah, Islam or the Prophet.

(I'm getting a headache trying to answer this.. I can't sort it out in my head.)

[kos_mos]

@TS

Always respect the customs and traditions of any territory or suffer the consequence of being ostracized or suffer the full extent of their laws by disrespecting what they value most.

Would you like a guest in your house just goes around and has a negative comment on anything that you value? I think you will have non of it as well.

Thank you yaridude.

I'd add, commonsense people, commonsense.

[razzer_rising]

@TS

Always respect the customs and traditions of any territory or suffer the consequence of being ostracized or suffer the full extent of their laws by disrespecting what they value most.

Would you like a guest in your house just goes around and has a negative comment on anything that you value? I think you will have non of it as well.

I know and I completely agree with you. but thats not the question here. we all know if you go to vatican and proclaim that the pope is the devil, then you may get deported or i dont know, jailed? but if you go to saudi arabia and say that allah is not God and Muhammad is not the prophet, then will you be sentenced to death?

yes indeed if a guest goes to my house and tell me that our furniture should be this and that, gosh i will get insulted but what will be my action? its already common sense that some people will get offended if you say something against their views and beliefs. but the question here is how they handle criticisms. both christians and muslims will be offended if one publicly say their religion is false, but will their action be the same?

[kenjironin]

but do muslim respect the culture of the land where they migrated?

2nd, the question had not been answered yet. it is so simple.

does islam give muslims the permission to kill anyone who is a kuffar, and a dhimmi? the answer is a BIG "YES". just read the quran and the hadith.

[retxed]

Hay naku.. you people like to mix between the religion and some of its followers.

And you are not even satisfied with that.

If the followers became twisted for a reason that they only know, you try to twist the teachings of the religion just so as to prove that what the twisted followers did was in fact based on the teachings of the religion.

retxed, if that was done by Muslims, then they have a twisted understanding of Islam. That is all I will say.

But if you wish to continue with your argument, then you may say that all Muslims, including myself, are the same with the ones who carried out those bombings.

I what? for you Muslims. Sharia Laws should be implemented wherever you go! refute on this! shukran pala dito, you're unlike your bros here! I am commending you! Long Live kos_mos! ya salaam!

[yaridude]

I know and I completely agree with you. but thats not the question here. we all know if you go to vatican and proclaim that the pope is the devil, then you may get deported or i dont know, jailed? but if you go to saudi arabia and say that allah is not God and Muhammad is not the prophet, then will you be sentenced to death?

yes indeed if a guest goes to my house and tell me that our furniture should be this and that, gosh i will get insulted but what will be my action? its already common sense that some people will get offended if you say something against their views and beliefs. but the question here is how they handle criticisms. both christians and muslims will be offended if one publicly say their religion is false, but will their action be the same?

Then again different strokes for different folks.

One word comes to mind and that is "respect".

If you did respect them and still you were treated badly then we have a problem.

[razzer_rising]

again the question deals with the "punishment" for saying something against one's religion. if you are in vatican and publicly say something against christianity, whats your "punishment". If you are in mecca and say something against Muslim, allah, and muhammad, whats your punishment, gosh will you get killed.

it is common sense that my question deals with how Islam or Muslims treat those who question their faith. I just made specific example. and in that example I have given, will I get killed based on quran?

[kos_mos]

I guess my efforts are just a waste.

kenjironin. Do not lie.

[retxed]

I guess my efforts are just a waste.

kenjironin. Do not lie.

depende! yani inta hurma, kalas! ana mafi kalam tani! ana nom! zzzzzz

ya salaam....zzzzzz! nom yani.

[kos_mos]

depende! yani inta hurma, kalas! ana mafi kalam tani! ana nom! zzzzzz

ya salaam....zzzzzz! nom yani.

Yalla inta nom bas nom.

Though if I was to talk in the Syrian slang it would be 'Lak nam baa nam 7ajtak la3i'.

[kenjironin]

there is a question.. and we need answers from muslims and a roof that it is not a lie (taqiyya).