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read moreeh? so were hot favourites under weiss? how? we havent proven anything yet. nagpapadala ka sa mga hype ni palami kasi eh. at yung challenge cup na yan, mahinang tournament yan. with the exception of north korea, ang mga bansa diyan puro mga south asians na cricket fanatics. india, maldives, sri lanka, bhutan! Pweh! mga banban yan, pinagtatawanan nga lang ng SEA yan. mas malakas na liga ang SEA. kaya dahil lang nag third place tayo, doesnt mean na malakas na tayo. dapat lang naman na talunin natin mga banban na yan. 2nd place pa nga dapat kung hindi pinasok si lolo banban.
anyway, sawang-sawa na ako makita ang pilipinas na nagpapark the bus. 1990 pa yan na ang strategy natin. park the bus, long ball at bahala na si gonzales. or si batman. kakasawa na yung ganyang style.
hindi tayo mag iimprove kung hindi tayo matututong umatake.
at sino ba nagsabi na napabayaan ang depensa? kayo lang naman itong mga natataranta na. nagdudunong-dunongan pa kayo. pinagbabawalan niyo pa ang mga wing backs sumali sa attack. gaano ba kayo kaboring na tao? ang boring niyo siguro, nakakaawa kayo.
heh! wala ka naman sinabi na nagtugma sa sinabi ni kiat. pansin ko sa iyo iniintay mo muna magsalita si kiat tapos bigla kang hihirit para agawin yung sinabi niya, or angkinin na kunwari sinabi mo rin. pweh. may pamacca-macca ka pa ka pa diyan.
napapaghalataan ko na ikaw ha baka bandwagon ka rin ano? nahalata na kita noong nagagalit ka na sumasali sa attack ang mga wing backs. hahaha. oh, thats right, hindi ka lang familiar sa modern football. riiiiight-o. ahohoohohhhohohoho
ikaw muna sumagot, wag ka makigatong sa sasabihin ni kiat. hahahhaha.
o kaya, pumunta ka sa thailand, tabihan mo ako at ipaliwanag mo sa akin kung ano ang ginagawa ng team sa attack at defense. first assignment is sabihin mo sa akin kung ano formation nila. hihingi ako sa iyo ng mga insights mo sa game, habang naglalaro. at the half, i expect an analysis from you kung ano ang ginagawang tama, or mali ng philippines. tapos tatanongin kita kung ano sa palagay mo ang gagawing adjustments ng kalaban, at kung ano kailangan gawin ng philippines sa 2nd half. well see how sharp you brain is ohohohohohohohoho
bakit nga ba itong thread ang inangat? diba may weiss thread naman? may suzuki cup thread pa
palitan na si weiss habang may panahon pa![]()
^^^
Walang may gusto kai Weiss Ganda, pang comedy bar lang iyankaya ayaw mag post ng tao dun sa Weiss thread. Maybe kung ilipat iyon sa artista section.
In the meanwhile, dito muna tayo sa Macca thread.
hindi nga ba napapabayaan ng defense pag nag-o-all out attack tayo? wala namang nagsabing hwag sumali ang wing backs sa attacks eh. ang sabi po, sana hindi rin naman pababayaang open tayo to counterattacks. pag merong umaangat, dapat merong bumababa para magcover dun sa mga galing likod na sumali sa attack. kasimpleng bagay, di ma-gets.
take note, no team, not even in world cup, had won based on an attacking mentality. pansinin nyo mga nagchampions. may atake pero mas matinding effort ang ibinubuhos sa depensa. saka ang baba lagi ng scorelines. bakit? kasi nga po, defense is always the key to winning the game. and unang team na bumukas na depensa, tyak malulusutan ng goal ng kalaban. so hindi po target eh basta maka-goal lang against your opponent. your target must be to not let the opponent score against you. kaya nga sinasabi din dito sa football forums ng karamihan ng pexers, it's good that we're now having an attacking mindset because we already have the weapons to do so. BUT... never neglect defense. hindi pede yung iiscore-an mo nga kalaban ng 1-2 goals pero magpapa-score ka naman sa kanila ng 4 goals. walang kwenta rin yan.
and please... even a scoreless draw can be very exciting depende kung ano nangyaring bakbakan sa game. hindi naman scorefest sport ang football eh. kung gusto mong maraming makitang numbers sa scoreline, basketball panoorin mo.![]()
Ikaw na ang pangalawang idol ko dito sa PExsi Clockie ang una
kung ang FB/WB mo ay singbagal ng pagong, wag mo ng pasaliin sa atake. ma stranded lang sila sa taas at bukas na bukas ang depensa. Just like in the Macca days, bawal aakyat del Rosario, kasi alam niya na wala itong maicontribute sa taas pero very useful ang angas niya sa depensa. Best example, against Indonesia, walang magawa si Okto sa side niya kaya nga pikon iyon pero sa time ni Weiss, nagpiyesta siya sa side ni Carli, parang involve pa nga si Okto sa unang goal. So does this mean na mas banban si Carli kai delRo?
ilang beses na natin inulit tolahat na successful team in international competition ay defensive mapa World Cup(Spain/Netherlands/Brazil), African Cup(Zambia/Ivory Coast), Copa America(Paraguay-Finalist) or Euro(Spain/Italy). At anyone na nagsasabing attacking ang Spain/Barcelona ay PSB sa football
Tsaka Brazil under Dunga is defensive kaya nga galit ang mga Brazilians sa kanya dahil nawala na daw ang Jogo Bonito nila pero ibang istorya ang Brazil ha since bandwagoneer experience ang pagiging defensive nila. And lastly, in the last Suzuki Cup ang champion na Malaysia ay hinde lang nag park the bus against Vietnam kundi nag park the Boeing 747 sila on their away match in the Semis.
Spot on, if you don't want a scoreless draw or can't find the drama of an under siege goal or can't appreciate the last ditch sliding tackles of CBs or don't watch in awe the shouting/heckling/camaraderie/near telepathic communications of defenders doing desperate defensive hold-the-fort formation then football is not a game for you. Better watch basketball or cricketand be excited as you see numbers pile-up and goes into the 3 digit range.
Football is parang totoong buhay lang iyan, minsan makakagoal pero most of the time hindi. Laging nanalo ang may maraming pera/mas magaling pero sometimes kung swertihin mananalo din ang mga skwater/banban.
The only attacking team I know is Colombia on WC'94 against US
Lead by one of FIFA's greatest player Carlos Valderrama and defender Andres Escobar
Susme talagang all out attack, buti nalang walang naka goal puro tumatama sa poste, ang US ginawa nga eh park the 747
Pero nang maka lusot ang US sa mahinang depensa ng Colombia di na ma control ni Escobar kaya nag own-goal, yun killed din siya
to cut this story short, mag counter-attacking nalang tayo. tingnan nyo nterang Portugal kahit na sa kanila ang one of the best footballers, counter-attacking team pa rin sila. mas confident ako kung ganito tactics natin
buti nalang di binaril ang sikyu pag uwi nya sa bansa nya![]()
wow... i feel honored already.anyways, i've been trying to PM you regarding clockworks but i was notified you already have reached your PM quota so you can't receive any unless you clean up your inbox. unless you already know his current username in pex, i think you'd be surprised as how much had changed regarding his previous stance on the azkals strategies (or the lack of it courtesy of its coaching staff).
well, carli is young and pede pang mag-improve but yeah. he's been the source of goals by our recent opponents dahil hindi sya makabalik agad sa depensa coming off helping our attacks. carli creates that offensive threat when he joins the attack so he's helping on that minor aspect. but he's mainly a defender and he's not doing good at it so yeah, he's more banban on that note as defending is his main job in the team. maybe, it would be best if he can just play as an attacking midfielder instead since he's doing better on that position. just give carli's defensive post to jerry barbaso so we'll have a natural defender (and a reliable one at that) in the back. pede rin namang 3rd GK na lang din sya kasi tingin ko, he's a lot better than pascual and definitely waaaaay better than sacapano.kung ang FB/WB mo ay singbagal ng pagong, wag mo ng pasaliin sa atake. ma stranded lang sila sa taas at bukas na bukas ang depensa. Just like in the Macca days, bawal aakyat del Rosario, kasi alam niya na wala itong maicontribute sa taas pero very useful ang angas niya sa depensa. Best example, against Indonesia, walang magawa si Okto sa side niya kaya nga pikon iyon pero sa time ni Weiss, nagpiyesta siya sa side ni Carli, parang involve pa nga si Okto sa unang goal. So does this mean na mas banban si Carli kai delRo?
and i'd say, the drama there is how long can a team hold the fort. if they will eventually break against the relentless attacks of a formidable opponent. that, my friend, is what makes it suspenseful, overriding whatever boredome one might have on not seeing a goal come in. but since merong di makaintindi nyan, i guess, suspense drama is not for him.ilang beses na natin inulit tolahat na successful team in international competition ay defensive mapa World Cup(Spain/Netherlands/Brazil), African Cup(Zambia/Ivory Coast), Copa America(Paraguay-Finalist) or Euro(Spain/Italy). At anyone na nagsasabing attacking ang Spain/Barcelona ay PSB sa football
Tsaka Brazil under Dunga is defensive kaya nga galit ang mga Brazilians sa kanya dahil nawala na daw ang Jogo Bonito nila pero ibang istorya ang Brazil ha since bandwagoneer experience ang pagiging defensive nila. And lastly, in the last Suzuki Cup ang champion na Malaysia ay hinde lang nag park the bus against Vietnam kundi nag park the Boeing 747 sila on their away match in the Semis.
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can't agree with you more.Spot on, if you don't want a scoreless draw or can't find the drama of an under siege goal or can't appreciate the last ditch sliding tackles of CBs or don't watch in awe the shouting/heckling/camaraderie/near telepathic communications of defenders doing desperate defensive hold-the-fort formation then football is not a game for you. Better watch basketball or cricketand be excited as you see numbers pile-up and goes into the 3 digit range.
Football is parang totoong buhay lang iyan, minsan makakagoal pero most of the time hindi. Laging nanalo ang may maraming pera/mas magaling pero sometimes kung swertihin mananalo din ang mga skwater/banban.
Last edited by honey4evr; Jul 15, 2012 at 05:28 PM.
i can say that this current azkals can only hold the fort for 80 minutes.
kasi pag 10 minutes left,pinapasok na ng air force National ASSt coaches sina
BOY DAPA at GURANG ; kita niyo naman ano nangyari sa larong yun dba?
panalo na naging talo pa.
sobrang laki ng galit mo kay Carli De Murga ha.
magbigay ka ng isang halimbawa, with YouTube clib to prove na siya ang palpak sa likod. wala akong maalala na attack, or cross na nanggaling sa area niya na nag result into a goal. i think hes been outstanding in his position. impressed ako sa stamina niya, resiliency, at ball handling skills. importante ang ball control lalo na sa likod, dahil mas pressured ang defender. tingnan niyo nangyari kay lolo sikyu.
wala talaga akong maalala na goals na nanggaling sa kapalpakan ni De Murga. yung goal ng Indonesia, galing yun sa side ni Cagara when he failed to contain Okto. I do not fully blame Cagara, dahil yung CB nagkamali din hindi nag communicate at napabayaan yung isa pang Papuan doon. pero as a LB, is assignment ay to stop crosses from coming.
Against Malaysia naman, obvious na yung equaliser ay kasalanan ni Gener. tandaan na pinalitan ni Gener si Carli, at nilagay siya sa RB. but the attack didnt come from RB area though... yung kapalpakan lang ay sinimulan ni Gener. it started a chain of events that lead to that equaliser.
pinasa yung bola kay Gener, nataranta naman siya, walang ball control unlike De Murga, sinipa-tae niya yung bola bahala na si Batman at ayun nakuha ng Malaysian na si Batman Bin Supaman (totoo yan pangalan niya), at inatake nila ang LB pero lumusot sila sa gitna kung saan nakuha ni Safee yung bola, nag commit si Sabio, grave mistake at ayun kawawang Etheridge.
again, kahit umatake man sa RB area, hindi ibig sabihin na kasalanan kaagad ng RB yan. kailangan panoorin mo yung atleast 2 minutes before nang goal para malaman kung ano talaga nangyari. hindi yung reactionista ka na lang na magtatanong, kaninong position yan? sino nagbabantay dito? si Gener ba? NASAAN NA SI GENER? ayun po naglalaro ng brickgame. AHihihhihihihi.
Carli provides stability in the RB area. thankful ako na nahanap natin siya. banas na banas na ako kay Del Rosario. at kahit magaling si Barbaso, mashado siyang kabado para sa akin.
Ok lang din sa akin gawing midfielder si Carli, basta nandyan si Ray Jonsson.![]()
at sino may sabi sa iyo na tinatamad ako manood ng scoreless draw? nag assume ka na naman ha. hehehehehe.
exciting nga ang football kahit konti ang goals. yung build up ang gumagawa ng excitement. wala rin akong problema sa Pinas na mag park the bus, hindi ako tinatamad diyan. tatamarin lang ako pag ang naglalaro ay Brunei at Japan at mag park the bus ang Brunei. kasi hindi ko naman bansa yang Brunei na yan eh. gusto ko makita mamasaker sila.
pero parang awa na. sawa na ako sa park the bus. south east asian teams lang kalaban mo, tapos mag park the bus ka pa? mga banban yan! mga pandak, mga banban mga try hards!
as what i've observed, kulang ng football IQ si Barbaso, tingnan nyo laro nya, kung na sa kanya ang bola, di sya marunong mag push at yung long balls nya hindi accurate. masipag sya sa depensa pero mahina ang offense nya unlike Basa, maraming assist si Basa through long balls or cross
patawa naman to... hindi komo sinabi kong he's not that effective when he's joining the attack eh malaki na galit ko sa kanya. in fact, gusto ko ang attitude nya when playing. all out sya. problema lang, when he's too deep into offense at biglang shifted tayo to defend against counterattack, hindi agad sya makabalik sa poste nya dahil ang layo ng pinanggagalingan nya. resulta, naiiwanan sya ng binabantayan nya. hindi dapat ito nangyayari kung after nya mag-overlap, he'd quickly go back in position. kaso, he'd stay up until the ball is already back in the opponent's side. by the time na makabalik sya sa poste, wala pa syang bwelo to strongly defend the right side. that's because kakaposition pa lang nya while the person he ought to defend against had already been at least a step against him towards another opponent player who's near the goal or at least ready to receive or create a good cross to another teammate.
and pleeeeeeease! don't mention azkals parking the bus again. walang nagsasabi dito that we should do that this suzuki cup dahil hindi na tayo ang same team in 2010 na walang ibang option kundi magpark the bus talaga. ang lakas na ng team natin tas gaganyanin ang strategy? ano ba mahirap intindihin sa sige, umopensa tayo pero wag namang pabayaan ang depensa? kahirap naman nareng buhay na ire... tagalog na nga, di pa maintidihan. pweh!
magaling kung sa magaling si de murga sa ball handling at kung ano pa, pero aanhin niya ball handling kung di naman siya may hawak ng bola kasi he's on defense?
kahit nga sa one on one naiikotan siya ng mga mabibilis na mga players, how much more kung aakyat siya tapos napunta bigla sa kalaban ang bola.
di porke't walang nakaka-goal sa side niya kahit nalulusotan siya doesn't mean that will be the same in the future. macoconvert din yan into a goal ng mga kalaban for sure.
sa depensa natin, confident lang ako sa dalawa and that is kay aly at sabio.
lagyan mo kasi ng australian accent para maintindihan niya.
kelangan mo ata dahan-dahanin every word para ma gets niya kung ano sinasabi natin dito.
may pagka mahina kasi eh, ilang beses na kasi sinabi eh hanggang ngayon di pa rin na gets.
Okay... na... umatake... ngayon... kasi... marami... na... tayong... options... ngayon... di... tulad... nung... panahon... ni... macca... pero... huwag... dapat... kalimutan... ang... depensa...
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@honey: sorry, di ako masyado nagbabasa ng inboxpero as for Clockie, since my kiat5 account, biglang nagbago ang tono niya. Instead rabid anti-PFF, bigla syang nagtone-down. Akala ko nga nahack account niya, tingnan mo sa mga posting ko sa unang AzKals thread, may napost ako dun tungkol dito. Ang kanyang current state sa Porferio Kabisig ay kasabay ng paglipat niya sa blog niya sa .au na blogspot. Parang baligtad na nga ang mga paninindigan niya with regards nung una, pre Suzuki Cup 2010 at during the Suzuki Cup 2010 hanggang pumassok si Weiss Ganda sa NT.
Mataas to masyado
As for fullback tactics, ganito lang iyan:
Sa modern games, kailangan talaga umakyat ang FBs if ever na mag compact ang formation ng kalaban.
The purpose is to stretch the playing field.
If nandun karamihan ng players sa gitna, usually walang tao dun sa gilid.
So, if kinakailangan magdagdag ng players on the offensive end, those are usually the FBs on the flank. Pwede ka magdagdag sa gitna ala Beckenbauer/Hummels/Badstubber/Pepe/S. Ramos(karamihan Germans) pero mahirap maghanap ng agile na malaking tao kaya usually iyong mga maliliit sa gilid pero mabilis/high stamina ang papaakyatin. Perfect example of this play is the Jordi Alba goal last Euro 2012 against Italy.
But the main problem of that style is that if your team's attacking players (MFs and FWs) can't hold the ball or lost possession while the FB is motoring up, that area of the field vacated by the attacking FB is gonna be ultra-wide open.
Then, when that happens, it would be easy to kick a long ball in that area.
Then it would be a footrace for the ball, winger vs FB and CBs vs FWs.
So, guess who will have the advantage on that situation;
*wide open spaces,
*defenders facing the wrong way (if you can run backwards at full speed, then no problem),
*attackers have the first step.
Best example of this play is Brazil's first goal against Chile last WC2010. Chile lost the ball while their RB is at Brazil's defensive end.
Kaya nga sikat sila Van Bommel/De Jong/Pepe/Busquets/Mascherano kasi alam nila kung sino ang uupakan na player para hindi makacounter ang kalaban if ever they lost possessiontawag dun is cynical fouling or professional foul. Ginawa iyon para mahinto ang laro at di maexecute ang counter-attack.
Problema natin sa AzKals is,
* meron ba tayong ganung mga player?
* kaya ba natin mag hold ng possession while hintayin makaakyat ang mga FBs to participate on the offensive play?
If meron, then go, overlap the FBs and let them bomb crosses into the opponents box pero if wala, wag nang aakyat and be ready to snuff counters.
Ganyan lang iyan
As for general tactics, lets just say na nalagyan ko ng bug ang IPhone ni Macca at narinig ko ang pag-uusap nila nung first game ni Weiss against Mongolia last Feb. 2011. Alam natin na 2-0 iyon in favor of us against a 10-men Mongolian squad and the first goal is a nutmeg chamba of Cheapy Caligdong. Maraming hold-overs dun from the Macca days.
If si Macca daw ang nagcoach ng team na iyon, alam niya na magpark the bus ang Mongolia at babawi ito sa mas malamig/mas favorable na country nila on the return leg. Kung aatakihin diretso, wala daw kwenta kasi hindi marunong ang AzKals maglaro ng ground balls/through balls on a packed Mongolian box at wala tayong kakayahan mag overlapping plays. Ang resulta lang daw is puro long balls/crosses na walang kwenta into the box na pinaghandaan na ng Mongolia. Remember, Mongolia is going to park the bus di ba?
So, ang gagawin sana is paakyatin ang Mongolia at bigyan ng kumpyansa umatake, since sa ganun, magagamit ang pace nila PYH at Cheapy. If ever na masuck out ang mga Mongolians, mas madali makascore in that situation. Try to let them go out of their shell in the first 15 minutes.
So if ever ayaw talaga ng Mongolians lumabas, the go on a foul/throw-in/corner fishing expedition. Dun talaga tayo magaling at that time. SET-PIECES. Iyong lahat na napraktis sa Suzuki Cup 2010 at pag-igihin pa. Bakit?
* We have the height vs the Mogolians
* Magagamit natin ang ulo ni Boy Dapa (magaling sa header)
* Magagamit si Aly
* Magagamit natin si delRo (long throw)
* On free-kicks, we can use the offside-line to create spaces between the goalkeeper and the defensive wall. Magagamit dun ang bilis at bwakaw ni Cheapy.
Sa first half pa lang, madali lang daw ang at least 3 goals kasi sa atin lahat ng bola. If we can create an average of 2 to 3 chances/half noong park-the-bus pa tayo, how much more na nasa atin na palagi ang bola
In fact, nangyari uli ang nangyari vs Mongolia in our latest game against Guam, di ba 3-0 iyon? So, basically, wala talagang improvement ang laro ng AzKals since playing against Mongolia in Panaad in nearly 2 years under un-Weiss? management![]()