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  1. #1

    Ano ang mangyayari sa mga taong umalis sa Islam?

    Gaya ng sinabi sa thread title, ano ba ang mangyayari (consequence) sa mga taong umalis sa Islam?

    Kunwari naging Katoliko ako ng mapayapa (hindi sinisiraan ang Islam, chill lang kumbaga), ano ang hatol dito? Ano naman ang hatol sa mga taong walang napiling relihiyon pagkatapos?

    May kaibahan ba sa hatol kung ikaw ay isang born Muslim na tatalikod sa Islam at isang convert (kunwari Katoliko tapos naging Muslim pero umalis din sa huli)?

    Salamat!

  2. #2
    deleted......pupusta ako puro copy paste ang sagot dito at walang direktang sagot.....o, dyus ku, mali sana aku

  3. #3
    Kung ikaw ay nasa middle east mahihirapan ka.

  4. #4
    Sagot ko: Wala.... marami ako relatives na nag embrace ng Islam in the 80s, at hindi na practicing ngayon... high and low / on and off kasi faith ng tao... yung isa kong auntie dati non-practicing na, ngayon practicing naman....

    napapansin ko lang, maslalong tumatanda yung tao, maslalong nagiging interested kung anong daan ang tama...

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    If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
    {Noble Quran 10:99}

    Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.
    {Noble Quran 2:256}

    Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!
    {Noble Quran 18:29}

  5. #5
    Thanks mani! Bilis ng reply.

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by narutonichan View Post
    May kaibahan ba sa hatol kung ikaw ay isang born Muslim na tatalikod sa Islam at isang convert (kunwari Katoliko tapos naging Muslim pero umalis din sa huli)?

    Salamat!
    Ito ang sagot diyan sa tanong mo kapatid.


    4:137 Behold, as for those who come to believe, and then deny the truth, and again come to believe, and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of truth God will not forgive them, nor will guide them in any way.

    Malinaw ang sinasabi ng Allah subhana wa taalah (bold and underline).


    18:29. Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!

    Ang talatang ito ay nagpapatibay na mayroon kang freewill, ngunit sa araw ng paghuhukom ay ang Allah ang siyang magpaparusa sa iyo pagdating ng araw na yaon.


    Quote Originally Posted by joma_s View Post
    deleted......pupusta ako puro copy paste ang sagot dito at walang direktang sagot.....o, dyus ku, mali sana aku
    Ano ba iyong pusta mo sana kung sakaling hindi copy paste ang post namin, hindi ba derekta ang sagot namin ni Mani dito?

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by banimalek View Post
    Ito ang sagot diyan sa tanong mo kapatid.

    4:137 Behold, as for those who come to believe, and then deny the truth, and again come to believe, and again deny the truth, and thereafter grow stubborn in their denial of truth God will not forgive them, nor will guide them in any way.

    Malinaw ang sinasabi ng Allah subhana wa taalah (bold and underline).

    18:29. Say, "The truth is from your Lord": Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it): for the wrong-doers We have prepared a Fire whose (smoke and flames), like the walls and roof of a tent, will hem them in: if they implore relief they will be granted water like melted brass, that will scald their faces, how dreadful the drink! How uncomfortable a couch to recline on!

    Ang talatang ito ay nagpapatibay na mayroon kang freewill, ngunit sa araw ng paghuhukom ay ang Allah ang siyang magpaparusa sa iyo pagdating ng araw na yaon.
    Mas ok yung sagot ni brother na Bani, the Noble Quran is our Main Criterion

    Yung sinabi ko based lang sa experience ko, it does not represent Islam (since hindi naman ako Scholar or anything). So if anyone of you wants to Learn about Islam, read the Quran... avoid Islamophobic sites since they contain lies and half-truths...

    Peace...

  8. #8
    salam kapatid paki correct ako kung mali ako kaunti pang kaalaman dyan sa sinabi ng Propeta sws noon may namatay na ilinuwa ng lupa 3 times na inayawan ng lupaat ilinuwa ito! at ba yong taong naging murtad!

    please correct me kapatid.

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by banimalek View Post
    Ano ba iyong pusta mo sana kung sakaling hindi copy paste ang post namin, hindi ba derekta ang sagot namin ni Mani dito?
    Ano ba gusto mo?, me hinihintay ka ba?

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by mani94 View Post
    Mas ok yung sagot ni brother na Bani, the Noble Quran is our Main Criterion

    Yung sinabi ko based lang sa experience ko, it does not represent Islam (since hindi naman ako Scholar or anything). So if anyone of you wants to Learn about Islam, read the Quran... avoid Islamophobic sites since they contain lies and half-truths...

    Peace...
    Tama rin ang sagot mo kapatid na Mani at nagpapasalamat ako sa Allah subhana wa taalah sapagkat nag-aral kayong mabuti, kung ikukumpara kayo sa mga kapwa ko Born Muslim na hindi nag-aaral ay mas lamang kayo sa kanila, may Allah reward you for spreading the message of Allah.

    Eksakto ang sinasabi mo na ang ibang sagot natin ay basi sa experience ngunit ang talata na ipinapaskil natin ay mismong salita ng Allah.


    Quote Originally Posted by ebragais View Post
    salam kapatid paki correct ako kung mali ako kaunti pang kaalaman dyan sa sinabi ng Propeta sws noon may namatay na ilinuwa ng lupa 3 times na inayawan ng lupaat ilinuwa ito! at ba yong taong naging murtad!

    please correct me kapatid.
    Tama po iyan kapatid at matatagpuan iyan sa hadith ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh).

    Ito siya kapatid para sa kaalaman ng lahat at hindi nila masabing wala tayong daleel (katibayan) sa napag-aralan natin.


    Narrated Anas: There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him." Then Allah caused him to die, and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is the act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and took his body out of it because he had run away from them." They again dug the grave deeply for him, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is an act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and threw his body outside it, for he had run away from them." They dug the grave for him as deep as they could, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. So they believed that what had befallen him was not done by human beings and had to leave him thrown (on the ground). (Sahih Bukhari:Book #56, Hadith #814)

    Tumpak brother Ebragais, tatlong beses nga

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by joma_s View Post
    Ano ba gusto mo?, me hinihintay ka ba?
    Ano po ba ang sinabi ninyo sa amin na kapag copy and paste ay pupusta kayo, nandiyan na po ang post namin ano po ang masasabi mo?

  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by banimalek View Post
    Ano po ba ang sinabi ninyo sa amin na kapag copy and paste ay pupusta kayo, nandiyan na po ang post namin ano po ang masasabi mo?
    eh ano nga ang gusto mong premyo? gusto mo tsumufah sa akin?

  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by joma_s View Post
    eh ano nga ang gusto mong premyo? gusto mo tsumufah sa akin?
    Wala naman akong hangad na premyo kaya lang sana next time huwag mo kaming pangunahan tulad ng pagkasabi mo nito.


    Quote Originally Posted by joma_s View Post
    .pupusta ako puro copy paste ang sagot dito at walang direktang sagot.....o, dyus ku, mali sana aku

  14. #14

    salamat kapatid!

    Quote Originally Posted by banimalek View Post
    Tama rin ang sagot mo kapatid na Mani at nagpapasalamat ako sa Allah subhana wa taalah sapagkat nag-aral kayong mabuti, kung ikukumpara kayo sa mga kapwa ko Born Muslim na hindi nag-aaral ay mas lamang kayo sa kanila, may Allah reward you for spreading the message of Allah.

    Eksakto ang sinasabi mo na ang ibang sagot natin ay basi sa experience ngunit ang talata na ipinapaskil natin ay mismong salita ng Allah.




    Tama po iyan kapatid at matatagpuan iyan sa hadith ng propheta Muhammad (pbuh).

    Ito siya kapatid para sa kaalaman ng lahat at hindi nila masabing wala tayong daleel (katibayan) sa napag-aralan natin.


    Narrated Anas: There was a Christian who embraced Islam and read Surat-al-Baqara and Al-Imran, and he used to write (the revelations) for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again and he used to say: "Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him." Then Allah caused him to die, and the people buried him, but in the morning they saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is the act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and took his body out of it because he had run away from them." They again dug the grave deeply for him, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. They said, "This is an act of Muhammad and his companions. They dug the grave of our companion and threw his body outside it, for he had run away from them." They dug the grave for him as deep as they could, but in the morning they again saw that the earth had thrown his body out. So they believed that what had befallen him was not done by human beings and had to leave him thrown (on the ground). (Sahih Bukhari:Book #56, Hadith #814)

    Tumpak brother Ebragais, tatlong beses nga

    may Allah swt reward you hereon earth and also in the hereafter,
    jazakalahukairan!!

  15. #15

    bakit naimbento ang sipilyo?

    Quote Originally Posted by joma_s View Post
    eh ano nga ang gusto mong premyo? gusto mo tsumufah sa akin?
    sana alam ng kapatid natin kung bakit naimbento ang sipilyo at salamin
    segi kapatid para mag grow na tayo...

  16. #16
    pinupugatan ng ulo..hahaha, joke leng!

  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeitgeist699 View Post
    pinupugatan ng ulo..hahaha, joke leng!
    Please give me a verse from Holy Quran.


    Quote Originally Posted by ebragais View Post
    may Allah swt reward you hereon earth and also in the hereafter,
    jazakalahukairan!!
    Same to you brother.........Allah blessing be with you and your family.

  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by ebragais View Post
    sana alam ng kapatid natin kung bakit naimbento ang sipilyo at salamin
    segi kapatid para mag grow na tayo...
    ok grow ka na rin...wag ka na hintay premyo

  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by narutonichan View Post
    Gaya ng sinabi sa thread title, ano ba ang mangyayari (consequence) sa mga taong umalis sa Islam?

    Kunwari naging Katoliko ako ng mapayapa (hindi sinisiraan ang Islam, chill lang kumbaga), ano ang hatol dito? Ano naman ang hatol sa mga taong walang napiling relihiyon pagkatapos?

    May kaibahan ba sa hatol kung ikaw ay isang born Muslim na tatalikod sa Islam at isang convert (kunwari Katoliko tapos naging Muslim pero umalis din sa huli)?

    Salamat!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

    Please read in full and decide for yourself

  20. #20

    noong nasa sa kombento pa ako!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by joma_s View Post
    ok grow ka na rin...wag ka na hintay premyo
    we discussed it's all about green joke while we are eating lunch lahat kami kasi natitipon sa lunch time; and sometimes napagusapan namin ang tungkol sa Islam nasabi ko sa kanila bakit hindi pa ubusin ang mga muslim sa mindanao dahil laging nagpapagulo - pero lumipas ang maraming taon nang matunghayan ko ang Islam dito sa Qatar malaki ang kaibahan ng mga tinuturo sa Islam kaysa maririnig mo sa mga sabi-sabi at napapanood sa tv edit na ba kung ganon at tama ka kapatid dahil nag grow na ako iwan ko lang yong mga kasama ko sa simbahan noon o kaya ang mga pari na gumagawa ng patago tapos magkukumpisal ka sarili nga nila hindi maayos o maituwid kaya tama ka parin kapatid nakuha ko na ang premyo na hinahanap ko noon pa sa Islam ko lang pala mahahanap.

    natunghayan ko na walang beerhouse, casino, standbygirl, inoman, walang taliwas sa gov. matatawag na NPA, hala ang mga pagkain, walang awayan o bangayan, murahan, maglakad ka sa madaling araw walang maghaharang sayo na hold-up, ang mga bangko walang security guard. napaka - payapang lugar. bakit kaya iba ang naririnig ko noon kaysa actual kung nasilayan.

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