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  1. #41
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    Sino ang LORD at sino naman ang Lord Menorrah?

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    Di mo ba alam yun? Yung LORD ay YHWH sa Hebrew...so ang Diyos yan...kaya pag sinabing Diyos o God...automatic na LORD yan...


    Kaya sa tunay na Kristiano, may isang God (LORD) at isang Lord na si Jesus Christ....

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    ONE GOD, ONE LORD, ONE BAPTISM ang nakasulat sa bibliya pero sa INC

    ONE GOD, TWO LORDS, ONE BAPTISM! LOLZ.........

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    Yeah I listened to it. Real history will "tell us a well-rounded account of the history of Christianity that narrates the story of its geographic spread, taking account of the forms of the faith which spread, the reasons for the expansion, and the methods, agents, and agencies through which the spread took place....It must cover the development of Christian thought, especially what is called doctrine, the attempts of Christians to give intellectual formulation to their faith.' (Latourette., A History of Christianity, Vol. 1, xiv)

    As usual, the ministers read a few sentence from a book and presented it as "history". Tell me, why don't your ministers do their own work and study real Christian history, instead of quoting other writers? Tell them to do that and let real historians critique their work. They won't because, the video showed us that their revises history according to their preconceived notions and theology. Not very scholarly, would you not agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menorrah View Post
    Di mo ba alam yun? Yung LORD ay YHWH sa Hebrew...so ang Diyos yan...kaya pag sinabing Diyos o God...automatic na LORD yan...


    Kaya sa tunay na Kristiano, may isang God (LORD) at isang Lord na si Jesus Christ....
    Ah ganun ba. Pag LORD si God, pag Lord si Jesus Christ.

    So si Jesus pala si God, ayon sa talata na to:

    Rev 22:6

    6 And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
    Pag Lord si Jesus Christ. So God si Lord Jesus Christ.

    "the Lord God"

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    Menorrah yuhu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by froshie1 View Post
    Walang sense of history ang kulto at ang mga kulto leaders, basta lang kasi dapat mabasa eh iyon na, diretso ang ibig sabihin at iyon na daw ang ibig sabihin..

    Kaya nga galit na galit ang mga Jews kay Kristo kasi ginawa nyang diyos ang sarili nya which we all know he is God. Di maiintindihan ng kulto iyon kasi wala naman silang connection sa mga Jews... Ni-hindi nga nakikipag dialogue yan sa mga Jews. LOL.
    tapos sasabihin nila pinalalabas daw ng Jews na nag-claim si Cristo na Diyos daw Siya para mapako sa krus. eh sino ba naglalahad nung kwento? di ba yung manunulat na kristyano?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ic3mint View Post
    Menorrah yuhu...
    Na nosebleed si Menorrah sa sagot ni Ferdinand--he's still trying to process what he said, so don't expect him or his fellow INMs to answer anytime soon. Well, until they can get over that or else open 1,000 new threads with the same issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbattousai View Post
    Meron ka bang maipapakita po na proweba na siya ay tao at diyos???
    nasa Bible ah!

    kaya nga tinatawag na Son of God is Jesus kasi kapantay nya ang Diyos.

    Tinatawag din siya na Son of Man kasi nagkatawang tao sya

    hindi nya ba alam ang significance ng mga katawagan na yan?

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Yeah I listened to it. Real history will "tell us a well-rounded account of the history of Christianity that narrates the story of its geographic spread, taking account of the forms of the faith which spread, the reasons for the expansion, and the methods, agents, and agencies through which the spread took place....It must cover the development of Christian thought, especially what is called doctrine, the attempts of Christians to give intellectual formulation to their faith.' (Latourette., A History of Christianity, Vol. 1, xiv)

    As usual, the ministers read a few sentence from a book and presented it as "history". Tell me, why don't your ministers do their own work and study real Christian history, instead of quoting other writers? Tell them to do that and let real historians critique their work. They won't because, the video showed us that their revises history according to their preconceived notions and theology. Not very scholarly, would you not agree?

    ako! ako! I agree w/ this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdinand View Post
    Yeah I listened to it. Real history will "tell us a well-rounded account of the history of Christianity that narrates the story of its geographic spread, taking account of the forms of the faith which spread, the reasons for the expansion, and the methods, agents, and agencies through which the spread took place....It must cover the development of Christian thought, especially what is called doctrine, the attempts of Christians to give intellectual formulation to their faith.' (Latourette., A History of Christianity, Vol. 1, xiv)

    As usual, the ministers read a few sentence from a book and presented it as "history". Tell me, why don't your ministers do their own work and study real Christian history, instead of quoting other writers? Tell them to do that and let real historians critique their work. They won't because, the video showed us that their revises history according to their preconceived notions and theology. Not very scholarly, would you not agree?
    Alangan naman brad lahat pa ng nakasulat sa mga books e basahin pa.. Malamang Iyong mga mahahalaga at importante na lang ang dapat iquote.. Ganun pa man ay malinaw na pinatutunayan talaga sa history na hindi mula sa bible ang aral na si Cristo ay Diyos.. Matagal ng tapos ang bibliya bago pa sumulpot ang maling aral na pinagkakalat ngayon ng mga trinitarian... Maging ang awtoridad katoliko man ay nagpapatutuo na si Cristo ay hindi itinuturing na Diyos nuong una....


    PATUTUO NG IBA PANG AWTORIDAD
    Sinasang-ayunan ba ng mga awtoridad Katoliko ang katotohanan na hindi nga tinawag na Diyos si Cristo noong una? Sa akalat na pinamagatang ANG KABANALBANALANG ISANGTATLO: Ang Diyos ng mga kristiyano ay matatagpuan ang ganito:"Kaya'y hindi na maaaring sabihin na tinatawag nang Diyos si Jesus noong mga kaunaunahang araw ng kristiyanismo"(p.32)
    Hindi daw Diyos ang Panginoong Jesucristo sapagkat hindi raw maaaring sabihin na tinatawag nang Diyos si Jesus noong mga kaunaunahang araw ng Cristiyanismo.
    BAKIT? Ayon naman sa ibang mga nagsuri '... malaya na ngayong tinatanggap kapuwa ng mga protestante at Katolikong teologo at tagapagliwanag ng doktrina: na batay sa nakakalap na pangkasaysayang impormasyon, hindi inisip ni Cristo na taga-Nazaret na siya;y Diyos..."(The First Coming p.5)
    Kung ni hindi pala inisip ni Cristo na siya'y Diyos, paano, kung gayon, nagkaroon ng paniniwala na si Cristo raw ay tunay na Diyos? Sa aklat katolika na AT NAGSALITA ANG DIYOS SA PAMAMAGITAN NG KANIYANG ANAK, "Ipinahayag ng ilang dalubhasana utay-utay na binalangkas ng Simbahan ang pananampalataya sa pagka-Diyos ni Jesus sa impluho ng ibang relihiyon"(p.181). Ayon naman sa ibang mananalaysay, Bumangon ang paniniwalang si Cristo ay tunay na Diyos nang lumaganap ang katolisismo sa mga bansang pagano(The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls, p.90)
    Ayon sa isang historyador, ang pinakaunang nagpahayag na Diyos si Cristo pagkatapos ng panahon ng mga manunulat ng Bagong Tipan ay si Ignacio ng Antioqua-Isa sa tinaguriang unang ama ng Iglesia. "Ang kauna-unahang panahon nalalaman na si Jesus ay pagkatapos ng panahon ng mga manunulat ng Bagong Tipan, sa mga sulat ni Ignacio, sa pasimula ng ikalawang siglo"(Systematic Theolgy, p. 305)
    Ayon sa aklat na History of GOD:"...Ang Doktrinang si Jesus ay Diyos na nasa anyong tao ay hindi naging pinal hanggang noong ikaapat na siglo. Ang pagkakabuo ng paniniwala ng mga Cristiano tungkol sa pagkakatawang-tao(Enkarnasyon) ay isang unti-unti at masalimuot na priseso. Natitiyak natin na hindi kailanman inangkin ni Jesus ba siya'y Diyos."(p.81)
    Ikaapat na siglo na nang pormal at opisyal na ipahayag ng iglesia na isang alituntunin ng pananampalataya na si Jesus ay tunay na Diyos. Sa Aklat ng Iglesia Katolika na DISCOURSES ON THE APOSTLES' CREED, ay ganito ang nakasaad:
    "Kaya halimbawa, Noon lamang 325 A.D. sa konsilyo ng Nicea nang ipaliwanag ng Iglesia sa atin na isang alituntunin ng pananampalataya na si jesus ay tunay na Diyos." (p.204)

    MALINAW NA HINDI NAGMULA SA BIBLIYA ANG ARAL NA SI CRISTO AY ISANG DIYOS. GAYUNDIN HINDI NAGMULA SA BIBLIYA ANG ARAL NA TRINITY. MALINAW NA MATAGAL NG GAWA ANG BIBLIYA BAGO ITO IPINANGARAL. ANG ARAL NA ITO AY GAWA LAMANG NG TAO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milliardo View Post
    Na nosebleed si Menorrah sa sagot ni Ferdinand--he's still trying to process what he said, so don't expect him or his fellow INMs to answer anytime soon. Well, until they can get over that or else open 1,000 new threads with the same issue...
    Tama, pansin ko nga, lagi sila gumagawa ng bagong thread, para siguro matabunan yung mga thread na hindi na nila masagot.

    Inaantay ko din sagot ni Menorrah,

    sabi nya pag "LORD" si God daw yun, pag "Lord" si Jesus Christ lang daw yun..

    Eh pano to?

    Rev 22:6

    6 And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
    "Lord GOD", coming from the horse's mouth..pag Lord si Jesus Christ lang yun..

    Sa kanya na mismo nagmula.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by SirZap View Post
    nasa Bible ah!

    kaya nga tinatawag na Son of God is Jesus kasi kapantay nya ang Diyos.

    Tinatawag din siya na Son of Man kasi nagkatawang tao sya

    hindi nya ba alam ang significance ng mga katawagan na yan?
    Brad magpakita ka ng patutuo na si Cristo ay Diyos at tao nuong nandito siya sa lupa...

    Ako marami akong maipapakita sayo na pinatunayn mula sa bibliya na si Cristo ay tao.


    Ikaw may maipapakita ka bang katibayan na si Cristo ay Diyos at tao nuong nandito siya sa lupa...

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    PHILIPPIANS 2

    5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
    6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
    7but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
    8And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    and became obedient to death—
    even death on a cross!
    9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
    10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.
    ayan nasagot ko na...

    ano kayo? BUKEEEENNNNGGG!!!

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    Nung nasa lupa, nasa anyong-tao si Kristo, kasi nga nagkatawang-tao siya.

    Kaya siya tao. Walang problema dun.

    Nagkatawang tao sya. Kahit marami ka maipakita na tao si Kristo walang problema dun.

    Kasi paniniwala din namin yan. Hindi kami kokontra sayo.

    Tao si Kristo nung nasa lupa sya kasi nasa anyong tao sya. Nagkatawang tao.

    Eh nung nasa anyong Diyos si Kristo, ano sya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ic3mint View Post
    Tama, pansin ko nga, lagi sila gumagawa ng bagong thread, para siguro matabunan yung mga thread na hindi na nila masagot.

    Inaantay ko din sagot ni Menorrah,

    sabi nya pag "LORD" si God daw yun, pag "Lord" si Jesus Christ lang daw yun..

    Eh pano to?



    "Lord GOD", coming from the horse's mouth..pag Lord si Jesus Christ lang yun..

    Sa kanya na mismo nagmula.
    Genesis 18
    1And the LORD appeared to him by the(A) oaks[a] of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. 2He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him.(B) When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth 3and said, "[b]O Lord, if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant. 4Let a(C) little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree, 5while I bring a morsel of bread, that(D) you may refresh yourselves, and after that you may pass on—(E) since you have come to your servant." So they said, "Do as you have said." 6And Abraham went quickly into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quick! Three seahs[c] of fine flour! Knead it, and make cakes." 7And Abraham ran to the herd and took a calf, tender and good, and gave it to a young man, who prepared it quickly. 8Then he took curds and milk and the calf that he had prepared, and set it before them. And he stood by them under the tree while they ate.


    Sino ang LORD at sino ang Lord na binabanggit sa pagkakataong ito...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbattousai View Post
    Genesis 18
    1And the LORD appeared to him by the(A) oaks[a] of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. 2He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him.(B) When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth 3and said, "[b]O Lord, if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant. 4Let a(C) little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree, 5while I bring a morsel of bread, that(D) you may refresh yourselves, and after that you may pass on—(E) since you have come to your servant." So they said, "Do as you have said." 6And Abraham went quickly into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quick! Three seahs[c] of fine flour! Knead it, and make cakes." 7And Abraham ran to the herd and took a calf, tender and good, and gave it to a young man, who prepared it quickly. 8Then he took curds and milk and the calf that he had prepared, and set it before them. And he stood by them under the tree while they ate.


    Sino ang LORD at sino ang Lord na binabanggit sa pagkakataong ito...???
    Tanung mo kay Menorrah na kapatid mo

    Quote Originally Posted by Menorrah View Post
    Di mo ba alam yun? Yung LORD ay YHWH sa Hebrew...so ang Diyos yan...kaya pag sinabing Diyos o God...automatic na LORD yan...


    Kaya sa tunay na Kristiano, may isang God (LORD) at isang Lord na si Jesus Christ....
    Ang gusto mo ba sabihin sa argumento mo na si LORD at ang Lord ay iisa dyan sa talata na binigay mo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirZap View Post
    PHILIPPIANS 2



    ayan nasagot ko na...

    ano kayo? BUKEEEENNNNGGG!!!
    5Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
    6Who, being in very nature[a] God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
    7but made himself nothing,
    taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
    8And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    and became obedient to death—
    even death on a cross!
    9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
    10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father

    20You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. 21Surely you heard of him and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

    24and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.


    - Si Cristo ay kalarawan ng Diyos.. Dahil si Cristo ay banal at walang sala.. Ang tao nilikha na banal at walang sala nuong hindi pa ito nasusumpungan ng kasalanan.. Ganun si Cristo... Kalarawan siya ng Diyos dahil wala siyang sala, Banal... At Huwag na ninyong ipilit na si Cristo ay kapantay ng Diyos sa pagiging Diyos.. Alam naman natin lahat na si Cristo ay walang kayang gawin kung hindi siya binigyan ng Ama ng kapangyarihan... Si Cristo ay tao na binigyan lamang ng Diyos ng kapangyarihan at mga katangian na higit kanino man.. Si Cristo ay binanal ng Diyos at ginawang panginoon..

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    iba ang "kalarawan"
    iba ang "Who, being in very nature God"

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    Tanung mo kay Menorrah na kapatid mo



    Ang gusto mo ba sabihin sa argumento mo na si LORD at ang Lord ay iisa dyan sa talata na binigay mo?
    Genesis 18
    1And the LORD appeared to him by the(A) oaks[a] of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. 2He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him.(B) When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth 3and said, "[b]O Lord, if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant. 4Let a(C) little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree, 5while I bring a morsel of bread, that(D) you may refresh yourselves, and after that you may pass on—(E) since you have come to your servant." So they said, "Do as you have said." 6And Abraham went quickly into the tent to Sarah and said, "Quick! Three seahs[c] of fine flour! Knead it, and make cakes." 7And Abraham ran to the herd and took a calf, tender and good, and gave it to a young man, who prepared it quickly. 8Then he took curds and milk and the calf that he had prepared, and set it before them. And he stood by them under the tree while they ate.

    iba ang LORD na tinutukoy dyaan sa Lord... Ang Nais sabihin ni Menorrah ay kapag LORD ang pagkakasulat ito ay tumutukoy sa Tunay na Dios.. Ang AMA...

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