Women Rights Compared: Bible/Quran?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's...n_Saudi_Arabia

Women's rights in Saudi Arabia

Gender roles in Saudi society come from sharia (Islamic law) and tribal culture. The Arabian peninusla is the ancestral home of patriarchal, nomadic tribes, in which purdah (separation of women and men) and namus (honor) are central.

All women, regardless of age, are required to have a male guardian. Women cannot vote or be elected to high political positions.[1] It is the only country in the world that prohibits women from driving. The World Economic Forum 2009 Global Gender Gap Report ranked Saudi Arabia 130th out of 134 countries for gender parity. It was the only country to score a zero in the category of political empowerment.

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http://www.islamdaily.net/EN/Contents.aspx?AID=1004

France to expel imam who preached wife-beating

PARIS, France (Reuters) -- France will expel an Algerian-born Muslim prayer leader for defending the stoning and beating of adulterous wives as acceptable in Islam even though illegal under French law, the Interior Ministry said Tuesday.

Abdelkader Bouziane, 52, imam of a mosque in the Lyon suburb of Venissieux in eastern France, told the monthly Lyon Mag that the Koran allowed husbands to beat unfaithful spouses as long as they did not strike them in the face.

The Interior Ministry said Bouziane was arrested Tuesday and an expulsion order against him would be applied immediately. Bouziane has lived in France since 1979.

"The government cannot tolerate that remarks are made publicly against human rights and dignity, especially the dignity of women, or that there are calls to hate or violence or apologies for terrorism," it said.

France, whose five million Muslims make up Europe's largest Islamic minority, expelled a radical preacher to his native Algeria last week for preaching radical Islam and defending the March 11 Madrid train bombs that killed 191 people.

Three Turkish imams have also been expelled this year.

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And their Lord hath accepted of them, and answered them: "Never will I suffer to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female: Ye are members, one of another: Those who have left their homes, or been driven out therefrom, or suffered harm in My Cause, or fought or been slain,- verily, I will blot out from them their iniquities, and admit them into Gardens with rivers flowing beneath;- A reward from the presence of God, and from His presence is the best of rewards."
{Noble Quran 3:195}

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The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey God and His Apostle. On them will God pour His mercy: for God is Exalted in power, Wise.
{Noble Quran 9:71}

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mani, what have muslim women accomplished?

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http://www.islamdaily.net/EN/Contents.aspx?AID=1004

France to expel imam who preached wife-beating
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Dude, again, this has nothing to do with Islam, give me something from the Quran...

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“If they become tired or even die, that does not matter. Let them die in childbirth, that’s why they are there.”
Martin Luther

“No wickedness comes anywhere near the wickedness of a woman.....Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die”
(Ecclesiasticus 25:19,24).

“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I don’t permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner”
(I Timothy 2:11-14).

“As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence.”
St. Thomas Aquinas

“Do you not know that you are each an Eve? The sentence of God on this sex of yours lives in this age: the guilt must of necessity live too. You are the Devil’s gateway: You are the unsealer of the forbidden tree: You are the first deserter of the divine law: You are she who persuaded him whom the devil was not valiant enough to attack. You destroyed so easily God’s image, man. On account of your desert even the Son of God had to die.”
St. Tertullian

“What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman......I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children.”
St. Augustine

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mani, being an "ex-catholic," you should be commended for your obvious objectivity and impartiality.

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mani, what have muslim women accomplished?

Thank you for this question, I give you one example:

'A'isha or "Hazrat Aishah Siddiqah's", is one of the greatest Islamic scholars, a lot of men and women scholars studied under her. Women scholars in Islam? YES in the Muslim community back then they have Islamic scholars that are women (they can own businesses, vote, etc. - very alien to western sociaty until the early 1900's). Aishah was a learned woman, who tirelessly recounted stories from the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), and explained Muslim history and traditions. She is considered to be one of the foremost scholars of Islam's early age with some historians accrediting up to one-quarter of the Islamic Sharia (Islamic religious law), based on the collection of hadiths, to have stemmed from her narrations.

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its hard to comment on something you

don't know but enjoyed reading the post though

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aisha lang? syempre sikat yan eh asawa ni mohammad eh. and her only contribution were the stories about mohammad. and shia muslims actively condemn her because some of her stories about mohammad actually makes him an idiot.

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aisha lang? syempre sikat yan eh asawa ni mohammad eh. and her only contribution were the stories about mohammad. and shia muslims actively condemn her because some of her stories about mohammad actually makes him an idiot.

Talaga? I didn't know that shias condemn aisha.

Siyempre sikat si Aisha. 6 na taong gulang siya pinakasalan at 9 na taong gulang natonting.

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Talaga? I didn't know that shias condemn aisha.

im surprised you didnt know...




http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthrea...and-the-Sahaba

What are the reasons Shias curse Aisha


http://muslimonline.org/forum/index....opic=4468&st=0

Shias Insulting Aishah

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...5095850AAIG7Wx

Why the Shia curse Aisha, and the companions of the prophet (may Allah be pleased with them)?!?

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Talaga? I didn't know that shias condemn aisha.

Siyempre sikat si Aisha. 6 na taong gulang siya pinakasalan at 9 na taong gulang natonting.

nuon ko pa sinabe! no copy and paste, no google! "aisha" in english means "she (babae yan) who lives to tell" kaya may division eh! Sunni and Shia! dagdag pa si imam hussein! walang makakuha? shia condemns her kasi kung ano-ano pinagsasabi nya against the prophet! ( w/ w/c pano mo naman sisisihin eh 9 yrs ka pa lang binanatan ka na?) ask me parekoy, alam ko shia muslims! tago sila sa saudi..., mga kapatid na pinoys...sorry pero, shia islam means or katumbas is INC's! pero pwede nyo i-google! ya salaam!

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Talaga? I didn't know that shias condemn aisha.

Siyempre sikat si Aisha. 6 na taong gulang siya pinakasalan at 9 na taong gulang natonting.

19-20 bro yung info na alam ko... yan ang conclusion sa newspaper based research na gawa nila sa Saudi dati (nasa Saudi pa ako nito), this has been discussed here as well: Hazrat Aishah Siddiqah's Age at Her Marriage

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The well-known historian and scholar ‘Allama ‘Imad-ud-Deen Ibn Katheer writes in his 'Al-Badayah' about Sayedah Asma’ daughter of Hazrat Abu Bakr’ (Allah be pleased with him) (and we hope Maulana Syed Abul Ala Maududi must have seen it as he referred to 'Al-Badaya' in his article): Asma’ died in 73 A.H. at the age of 100 years. She was ten years older than her sister ‘Aishah. Now according to this report ‘Asma’ would have been 27-28 years old at the time of Hijrah and since she was ten years older than Sayedah ‘Aishah, therefore the age of Sayedah ‘Aishah would have been 17 or 18 years at the time of Hijrah. Accordingly, her birth falls about four or five years before the Call, and her age at the time of the consummation of marriage in 2 A.H. will work out to 19-20 years.

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alam ko shia muslims! tago sila sa saudi..., mga kapatid na pinoys...sorry pero, shia islam means or katumbas is INC's! pero pwede nyo i-google! ya salaam!

Shias tago??? meron ako kakilala na Shia alam ng lahat... yung mother ko nanasa hospital nag work kakilala nya na doctor is shia... alam ng lahat....

I had discussed this suni/shia with my Muslim brothers sa Saudi, and Im not sunnin/shia, Im Muslim... whatever differences we have maliit lang compared mo sa differences sa Christian denominations (e.g. magkaibang Bible ang protestants sa RCC)... sa Muslims isang version lang ang Quran... we pray the same lang (I prayed na kasama lahat)... we ALL go to Mecca for Hajj... RCC is a pagan religion na, considering sa mga idols nila sa Churches, bahay ng tita ko puno ng idols...

Meron siguro less than 1% lang sa mga Muslims na "outside" sa mainstream.... God Almighty knows best...

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mani, being an "ex-catholic," you should be commended for your obvious objectivity and impartiality.

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A brief enjoyment in this world! - and then unto Us will be their return, then We shall make them taste the severest torment because they used to disbelieve [in God, belie His Messengers, deny and challenge His proofs, signs, verses, etc.]
{Noble Quran 10:70}

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The Unbelievers say: "Listen not to this Quran, but talk at random in the midst of its (reading), that ye may gain the upper hand!"
{41:26}

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The Believers, men and women, are protectors one of another: they enjoin what is just, and forbid what is evil: they observe regular prayers, practise regular charity, and obey God and His Apostle. On them will God pour His mercy: for God is Exalted in power, Wise.
{Noble Quran 9:71}

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Jesus (PBUH), Given Clear Signs and Strengthened with the Holy Spirit

Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them God spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If God had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If God had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but God Fulfilleth His plan.

O ye who believe! Spend out of (the bounties) We have provided for you, before the Day comes when no bargaining (Will avail), nor friendship nor intercession. Those who reject Faith they are the wrong-doers.

God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
{Holy Quran 2:253-255}

O People of the Book (Jews/Christians)! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.
{Holy Quran 4:171}