Apple: iPad

[amsm07]

mai gawd. ISANG graph mula sa IISANG university tungkol sa kanilang SARILING user group.... "massive share growth" in universities"... you've read something where?... Nostradamus represent...

hoe mai effin gawd!

[antenna]

latest post has been changed, now the word is being used as an adjective. obviously trying to get out of the misuse of the word. hahaha

Macs are NOT competing in a niche market. But the graph showed Macs improving market share IN a niche.

this is the original post:

It's really kind of pitiful to see how desperate apple advocates are that they have to trumpet so-called "massive marketshare growth" in some niche market...

here is another quote:

Of course apple is competing in the general computer market... no one ever said otherwise. But like I said, fanatics like you are so desperate and insecure about apple's market share that you trump up news about its market share growth in niche markets like universities (which ARE a niche market, no matter how much lame spinning you try to engage in).

nice try in slowly trying to get out of the dump!

[ein]

no, not the mac. apple is not microsoft who goes big time in failures.

MobileMe *cough* Pippin *cough* Mac TV *ahem*

Well, there you go, at least you finally went straight to your point. You're an Apple fanatic. It's best if you just said:

the significance of that data in universities has long term implications - it may mean the future, say 5 to 10 years from now may see a significant growth in mac purchases in the general market because Macs are cool. Macs just work. Apple never fails. Apple rules.

For the record though, Microsoft's "big time failure" in Vista is still fare more successful than Apple's "success" in Mac/OSX. What a shame.

[ein]

latest post has been changed, now the word is being used as an adjective. obviously trying to get out of the misuse of the word. hahaha




this is the original post:



nice try in slowly trying to get out of the dump!

Reply #41. Do you want it to be expounded further for you?

[rave]

it is a catastrophic failure in what you said by assuming what is present in IT today and the computer business will also be true in the future, say 5 to 10 years. 10 years ago, you would have not thought microsoft is capable of coming up with a sh1tty product in windows vista. and just 3 years ago, you would have not imagined the iphone will be a leading cellphone. 15 years ago, who would have thought computers will no longer have floppy disk drives now?

I'd say it is not catastrophic. I'd even say it is a highly educated projection, since it is based on the observation that for more than a decade now, the corporate market has been based largely on Windows desktops and *Nix servers. It is far more "naïve" and "out of this world", or whatever you call it in the field of advertising, to seriously think that Apple will gain a significant, competition-destroying foothold in the corporate market in the next few years.

And about Windows Vista, corporate customers might indeed have reason to call it shxtty. But what did they do? They did not switch to Macs. They just stayed with XP. So guess what, it's still Microsoft. No Apple.

these people will have families, too. in purchases of computers for personal/family use, existing infrastructure and corporate IT practices mean sh1t.

Yup, you're absolutely right. Companies don't give a dxmn about what machines you buy for personal use. Sure you can buy a Mac, heck buy ten if you really want to boost Apple's precious market share... but don't expect your company's IT support group to bend over and support your machine in their Windows/*Nix centric workplace. They're definitely not going to do something like, you know, throw away millions in IT investment and replace all their machines with Apple hardware. They will not go that far for you.

So, sure, buy 10 Macs. At the same time, your company would buy 1000 PCs.

whats special about university students? university students have exactly the same needs and want the same functions as other users in the market.they also use exactly the same computers the rest ofthe market do.

whats "specialized" about them?

Nope, you're wrong. On the contrary, students represent a very unique use case, definitely not the same as say, programmers, managers, accountants, graphic artists and musicians. Each of these segments use computers differently, and thus have different, "specialized" sets of requirements. At least this is what I have learned in the years of experience I have as a technology practitioner.

What did you think these people have the same needs?

Actually as far as I know, "use case" is part of software engineering jargon. Do you have the same or perhaps a similar term in the world of advertising and marketing? If so, please just replace "use case" with that word.

no, not the mac. apple is not microsoft who goes big time in failures.

Haha lol.

[antenna]

MobileMe *cough* Pippin *cough* Mac TV *ahem*

Well, there you go, at least you finally went straight to your point. You're an Apple fanatic. It's best if you just said:

what a low life you are. you are totally dishonest and a jerk - you are now into faking my quotes!

this is what you wanted to represent as a post from me. when the underscored lines, below, were not in my original post.

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...2&postcount=63

the significance of that data in universities has long term implications - it may mean the future, say 5 to 10 years from now may see a significant growth in mac purchases in the general market because Macs are cool. Macs just work. Apple never fails. Apple rules.

this is the original post of mine which does not contain the words you inserted into my quote.:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...9&postcount=28

you have misused the word "niche" in your post. that is not the meaning of "niche" in marketing.

apple is not into niche marketing. apple competed in the general computer market but has positioned its brand in the premium segment from a pricing segmentation standpoint.



the data does show a "massive share growth", in terms of ownership, among students in that university. don't know if that kind of massive growth in owenership in US universities is true in other US iniversities but from what i have read, mac ownership in most US universities is dominant over pcs.

the significance of that data in universities has long term implications - it may mean the future, say 5 to 10 years from now may see a significant growth in mac purchases in the general market as these university students graduate from their schools and join the workforce. these same university graduates who use macs while in school will most likely use and prefer macs when they get sa job for themselves and for their future families.

you are that desperate in wanting to win the argument. and what a total fool and idiot. you feel very smart now in faking and being dishonest. that is how you win your arguments?

you should be banned from PEX.

[ein]

what a low life you are. you are totally dishonest and a jerk - you are now into faking my quotes!

this is what you wanted to represent as a post from me. when the underscored lines, below, were not in my original post.

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...2&postcount=63



this is the original post of mine which does not contain the words you inserted into my quote.:

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/...9&postcount=28



you are that desperate in wanting to win the argument. and what a total fool and idiot. you feel very smart now in faking and being dishonest. that is how you win your arguments?

you should be banned from PEX.

Duh, antenna.

Which is why I said:

It's best if you just said:

It wasn't even a direct quote from you.

READ carefully before you reply.

For the record, you were the one guilty of misquoting/word twisting and dishonesty in this forum. Just give me some time to look for those pathetic posts of yours.

[antenna]

Nope, you're wrong. On the contrary, students represent a very unique use case, definitely not the same as say, programmers, managers, accountants, graphic artists and musicians. Each of these segments use computers differently, and thus have different, "specialized" sets of requirements. At least this is what I have learned in the years of experience I have as a technology practitioner.

What did you think these people have the same needs?

university students buy basically the SAME kind of computer that is being sold in the mass market. computer manufacturers DO NOT manufacture specialized computers for university students. whatver university students buy, it is available in mass markets and vice versa.

where do you get these things?

[antenna]

Duh, antenna.

Which is why I said:



It wasn't even a direct quote from you.

READ carefully before you reply.

For the record, you were the one guilty of misquoting/word twisting and dishonesty in this forum. Just give me some time to look for those pathetic posts of yours.

not a direct quote when you put it in a quote? IDIOT! is your brain really that small? don't have your toe nails cut, you might lose half of your brain.

you should be banned from PEX!

[ein]

university students buy basically the SAME kind of computer that is being sold in the mass market. computer manufacturers DO NOT manufacture specialized computers for university students. whatver university students buy, it is available in mass markets and vice versa.

where do you get these things?

Same computer, yet people use them differently. How can you not get this? The word "specialized" was used to modify the term "user group", not "computer".

[antenna]

I'd say it is not catastrophic. I'd even say it is a highly educated projection, since it is based on the observation that for more than a decade now, the corporate market has been based largely on Windows desktops and *Nix servers. It is far more "naïve" and "out of this world", or whatever you call it in the field of advertising, to seriously think that Apple will gain a significant, competition-destroying foothold in the corporate market in the next few years.

really? so show us here your facts and analysis on your HIGHLY EDUCATED PROJECTION. impress us!

[ein]

not a direct quote when you put it in a quote? IDIOT! is your brain really that small? don't have your toe nails cut, you might lose half of your brain.

you should be banned from PEX!

Just like what loc0 said, the irony.

Everybody knows the idiot here.

So where did it say that it was a direct quote from you?

Who can't even get what the phrase "It's best if you just said:" means?

[ein]

really? so show us here your facts and analysis on your HIGHLY EDUCATED PROJECTION. impress us!

Well, that should be what you yourself are doing. Provide facts for what you are claiming.

the data does show a "massive share growth", in terms of ownership, among students in that university. don't know if that kind of massive growth in owenership in US universities is true in other US iniversities but from what i have read, mac ownership in most US universities is dominant over pcs.

You've read this from where again?

[antenna]

And about Windows Vista, corporate customers might indeed have reason to call it shxtty. But what did they do? They did not switch to Macs. They just stayed with XP. So guess what, it's still Microsoft. No Apple.

alex boguskey in his office:


is that why Alex Boguskey of Miscrosoft's ad agency, CRISPIN PORTER + BOGUSKEY, does not use a pc but instead use a MAC at work? Crispin Porter + Boguskey is the ad agency who developed microsoft's latest Laptop Hunters tv ad. not to mention there is another mac on the table of boguskey, probably used by another employee of the ad agency.

great one for microsoft!

http://www.ihaveanidea.org/articles/...+-Bogusky.html

[ein]

So because some Alex Boguskey uses a Mac in his office means corporate customers are switching to Mac?

[antenna]

who said that? did that come from you dishonest pea brain again? IDIOT! you are in the habit of IMAGINING what others are saying, those that are not posted and say they said it. you are a mind reader? or you just halucinating? IDIOT!

you should be banned from PEX!

[rave]

university students buy basically the SAME kind of computer that is being sold in the mass market. computer manufacturers DO NOT manufacture specialized computers for university students. whatver university students buy, it is available in mass markets and vice versa.

where do you get these things?

They don't buy the same computer. Here's a sample rundown:

* Student: Buys a netbook because of size, portability and price. You could say that the netbook is a specialized computer that companies manufacture for students and others of similar use cases. Top applications include note taking software, a word processor, a spreadsheet, and presentation software. Students of technical courses might also probably install special software like GNU Octave, but despite this isn't really concerned about computer specs yet since he/she would just use the software for simple problems.

* Programmer: Buys the most powerful laptop or desktop that he could afford, since application development requires lots of memory and processing power. Nothing is more frustrating than debugging an application with a computer as slow as molasses, so the investment is probably worth the productivity in the long run. Programmers would prefer large laptops with high resolution screens so they would be able to see more of their source code.

* Manager: Buys an ultrathin, ultraportable, ultraexpensive computer. Managers don't really run intensive applications so specs are secondary, but they need the mobility as they run from meeting to meeting, and even from country to country. They are already at a status where they can afford anything they want, so they would probably choose a computer that screams luxury to be able make an impression at customer visits and corporate announcement meetings.

* Accountant: Buys an average priced laptop or desktop with a large screen. Processing power will probably be traded off for memory, since these are the people who would crunch large spreadsheets all day.

* Graphic artist: Buys a desktop with one, two, or three 24-inch screens, with IPS panels if possible. Processing power and memory are priorities, but artists would probably place more priority and money into the monitors, which would probably be those with advanced calibration features and wide viewing angles. Laptops with mere 17-inch TN panels are out of the question.

* Musicians: Prefers desktops mainly due to hard disk access times, since this is the single most important aspect of a computer during recording. Musicians would also be the ones buying expensive sound cards despite the PC's main board already having one, since built-in sound cards do not have ADCs and DACs of sufficient quality for recordings, nor do they have the single millisecond latencies and high sampling rates and resolution that the more advanced sound cards provide. The more technically minded musicians would probably have at least one set of hard drives in a RAID-0 configuration, just to be sure that his recordings don't jitter.

So no, they don't buy the same computer. Companies make PCs of different specs precisely because they need to cater to a wide array of use cases.

really? so show us here your facts and analysis on your HIGHLY EDUCATED PROJECTION. impress us!

You're basically telling me to provide proof that most offices use Windows desktops and *Nix at the backend. Looks like you're not that hard to impress, huh.

[antenna]

They don't buy the same computer. Here's a sample rundown:

* Student: Buys a netbook because of size, portability and price. You could say that the netbook is a specialized computer that companies manufacture for students and others of similar use cases. Top applications include note taking software, a word processor, a spreadsheet, and presentation software. Students of technical courses might also probably install special software like GNU Octave, but despite this isn't really concerned about computer specs yet since he/she would just use the software for simple problems.

* Programmer: Buys the most powerful laptop or desktop that he could afford, since application development requires lots of memory and processing power. Nothing is more frustrating than debugging an application with a computer as slow as molasses, so the investment is probably worth the productivity in the long run. Programmers would prefer large laptops with high resolution screens so they would be able to see more of their source code.

* Manager: Buys an ultrathin, ultraportable, ultraexpensive computer. Managers don't really run intensive applications so specs are secondary, but they need the mobility as they run from meeting to meeting, and even from country to country. They are already at a status where they can afford anything they want, so they would probably choose a computer that screams luxury to be able make an impression at customer visits and corporate announcement meetings.

* Accountant: Buys an average priced laptop or desktop with a large screen. Processing power will probably be traded off for memory, since these are the people who would crunch large spreadsheets all day.

* Graphic artist: Buys a desktop with one, two, or three 24-inch screens, with IPS panels if possible. Processing power and memory are priorities, but artists would probably place more priority and money into the monitors, which would probably be those with advanced calibration features and wide viewing angles. Laptops with mere 17-inch TN panels are out of the question.

* Musicians: Prefers desktops mainly due to hard disk access times, since this is the single most important aspect of a computer during recording. Musicians would also be the ones buying expensive sound cards despite the PC's main board already having one, since built-in sound cards do not have ADCs and DACs of sufficient quality for recordings, nor do they have the single millisecond latencies and high sampling rates and resolution that the more advanced sound cards provide. The more technically minded musicians would probably have at least one set of hard drives in a RAID-0 configuration, just to be sure that his recordings don't jitter.

So no, they don't buy the same computer. Companies make PCs of different specs precisely because they need to cater to a wide array of use cases.

of course specs can be customized. customization is available to ALL CUSTOMERS through the internet for example. but manufacturers of mass computers DO NOT specifically design a specific computer for specific consumer groups. it is possible for a non-university student to buy exactly the same computer a university student.

[rave]

antenna, have a look at the Lenovo Ideapad S10, the Thinkpad X300, the Dell XPS M1730... and tell me they're the same. Even before customization their base specs are already different.

I think the concept of "use cases" might not be clear to you. This is actually surprising, since in marketing, if I recall correctly, there is such a term as "market segments".

[Rammstein]

wow. a guy involved with the microsoft ad uses a mac. WHAT A BIG DEAL.

guess what. microsoft has a macintosh business unit. and don't tell me that apple does not use any windows os. where do they get itunes and crappy safari for windows? from steve jobs' butthole?

in things that happened in the real world, the us army ignored antenna's bs and will use windows vista.