Results w/ Kettlebells

[jamsession888]

Patrick wrote:

Weightlifters, by the very nature of their sport are speed-limited (RELATIVE to a gymnast or fighter) due to the super heavy load (barbell).

Gymnasts and fighters, by the very nature of their sport are strength-limited (RELATIVE to a weightlifter) due to the relatively light "loads" (their BODIES) being handled.

What is your source on this. Are you saying that generally weightlifters are slower than gymnast and fighters? Because my understanding of weightlifting is that it takes great power to do the Olympic lifts thus weightlifters are not only strong but incredibly fast relative to their bodyweight.

Please explain it in even simpler terms. I only exercise for recreation so this a bit over my head. Thanks.

[patrickt]

JAMSESSION88-
My sources are MY experience as a specialist in the 3 sports i mentioned. Other athletes, coaches. BOOKS - especially books on exercise physiology and sports biomechanics and sports training in general.

What i spoke about are actually OLD ideas that still apply today. I in fact have an old (1973) official sports training book available only from the international olympic committe, as well as relatively current books. Let me know if you want titles and authors.

Yes like you said, a good amount weightlifters can do a back flip with ease due to a LOT of POWER!

Roughly you might say POWER = STRENGTH x SPEED. Increasing either one increases your power.

To do a gymnastics movement or say a punch requires the body to move itself (or parts of it) FASTER than the speed required to lift a heavy weight.

How do i know this? As an ex polevaulter i`ve had to throw myself over the crossbar and do other bodywgt "circus acts". As an ex powerlifter who only had 2 little weightlifting meets, but have done lots of olympic lifts for training. And also from books that teach about how fast the body or parts of it can move (normally measured in Degrees/second) using equipment.

Try doing an exercise for even only one repetition (example: a dumbell curl) with a very LIGHT weight as fast as you can. Now try doing the same exercise with a very HEAVY weight as fast as you can.

Naturally you will be able to move the LIGHTER weight FASTER than the HEAVIER one.

A weightlifter trains to move a weight easily double or triple bodywgt (the "HEAVY wgt"). Whereas a gymnast trains to move his bodywgt (the "LIGHT wgt").

All things equal, if say you compare a world class gymnast to a world class weightlifter, the gymnast will normally be able to move his body faster doing the backflip than a weightlifter doing the backflip due to the gymnasts body being trained SPECIFICALLY to carry his LIGHTER bodywgt.

So, Gymnasts and Weightlifters BOTH have GREAT POWER, but they`re SPEED to STRENGTH ratios are whats different.

I hope that explanation was ok for you. Let me know. patrick

LIFEBALANCE- I TOTALLY agree with you regarding the value of kettlebells for overall fitness. "There IS more than one way to skin a cat". Thanks for the offer, maybe sometime in the future.

[LifeBalance]

And what also makes up for the limited amount of weight available when training with kettlebells (one has to try to work out a couple of min with a 32kilo for that matter) is that due to the displaced center of gravity it will demand a bigger force production then if the weight would have been heavier, but balanced in grip. This in is very beneficial for the body as a whole since it will accumulate less stress and damage on the soft tissues in return.

Hope to hear more from people with kettlebell experience and those who wish to aquire experience on this board.

[impaler1432]

I played ball for the first time after doing timed sets with KB's. It was a double over time victory for us (team IBM) and what's neat is I really felt strong the whole time and was surprised how much my stamina has improved. I guess Life Balance hit the nail on the head with that work capacity theory.

[BustyMe]

I have been training with kettlebells for over 2 years now, I got hooked with it when I used to live in US. It was a fad among my pals, especially with Mike Mahler's agressive campaign on it. But yeah and I have never been in better shape. In addition to being lean and strong, my body has learned how to work as one unit. My muscular endurance and mental toughness have improved tremendously.

I believe a balanced kettlebell workout combined with a solid worth ethic and healthy nutrition plan is a sure-fire recipe for success. Glad KB lifting starts to boom here in Phils! To my fellow "girevik" (kettlebell lifter / strong man), keep it up!

[impaler1432]

Learned a pretty cool move with KB's over the weekend. It's called the crescent swings. I believe this will help me a lot in pivoting and grabbing rebounds. Look it up and see why it's a great exercise to add to your current KB program.

[LifeBalance]

That's the great thing about bells. They really replicate movement. And thatt's exactly what we people do daily as primary function, Moving. Main goal in sport is to move/perform and get results

[patrickt]

Well said LIFEBALANCE!

[LifeBalance]

Thanks Patrick. It did sum it up quit well

[LifeBalance]

Thanks Patrick. It did sum it up quite well

[digitalsober]

am' using KB's for circuit training under coach blake's supervision. been using it for less than a month, about 4 sessions pa lang ng cicuits. tested my stamina by playing basketball on a somehow extreme condition (hehe), 4pm heat + humidity of the court mainit pa sinag ng araw. i can say na nag improve naman yung stamina ko with the training using KB's.

its new toy for me since newbie pa lang din naman ako pag dating sa strength training.

[LifeBalance]

Synomin for kettlebell should be work capacity!

Nice to see more people starting to incorporate kettlebells into their programs.

[impaler1432]

I lost that "quick first step" when I got injured in college. I'm slowly getting it back and my game has improved a lot. Kettlebell training has helped me with improving my stamina, balance and explosiveness.

Check out video number 3. This sequence was in one of my recent games. Not bad for a 32 year old, playing against guys who are in their early 20's. Hahaha!


http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/p...25&ref=profile

[LifeBalance]

Nice vids! Keep on training with bells and soon they'll trip over you before contact haha. I know. I just love them those things. Hope soon there will be enough people practicing the sport and maybe one day some lifting competions will follow. Wouldn't that be great

[impaler1432]

I think not everyone can see the video on my previous post. I uploaded it on youtube. Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZICvl1eUWrk

[LifeBalance]

I was hoping this would have been a vid of you lifting kettlebells!
Would be cool so people see a bit what it's about. They would still have to feel it thou.

Impaller. How many guys you know that have bells as of know? Maybe we could all gather soon if the weathers clears up a bit

Let me know what you think.

[impaler1432]

So far, I have six guys in the office who have KBs and a few others who will be buying pro grades by the end of the month. We can actually train with a small group.

[LifeBalance]

We could actually Have a few extra bells i can lend out if some would like to give them a shot. Let's set a date then. Sugestions?

[LifeBalance]

Greetings to all,

The Philippine Kettlebell Club is proud to announce that we are now available for private or group training sessions.

Our objective is to spread awareness of Kettlebell Sport for health and functional fitness through detailed instructions and proper guidance on joint mobility, bodyweight, and kettlebell training.

Moreover, below are significant benefits of kettlebell training:
• Full body conditioning – the body learns to work as an integrated unit
• Work multiple energy system simultaneously
• Increased agility
• Increased balance
• Increased coordination
• Increased balance
• Increased speed
• Increased ability to absorb impact forces
• Enhanced performance in athletics/sports and everyday functioning

The newly formed PKC plans to make the Philippines a quality training ground for the sport through proper instruction -- ensuring correct technique and understanding of kettlebells as a whole. All levels and groups of various sports are welcome. We believe that kettlebells have something to offer for all. We aim to connect all kettlebell practioners into one community that can encourage and support each other to reach their highest level, and attain their ultimate fitness goals.

The Philippine Kettlebell Club recently held it’s first introductory session on kettlebell training at the Oval (open field) of Philippine Sports Commission in Pasig City (also known as ULTRA Sports Stadium). We plan to hold this kind of gathering / fitness event twice a month.

We aim to supply kettlebells for newcomers but regulars are encouraged to bring their own.

Hope to see you soon!

[blakedaddy]

Eclipse Shaw is open to have kettlebell classes wth the PKC