The Reproductive Health Bill - Passed 3rd and Final HR Reading 2012/12/17

[antenna]

Proponents of the Reproductive Health Bill must be prepared with logical and factual arguments to counter the objections of its opponents. If only Congress can conduct the debates on a higher plane than mere mudslinging between the proponents and opponents of the RH Bill.

can you call this print ad "logical and factual"?




is that your role model for "logical and factual"?

other "logical and factual" assertions of anti-RH proponents:

- modern methods abort babies
- condoms are harmful to the health
- modern methods are unsafe

[discover69]

the said fact is:
habang dumadami ang tao, lalong dumadami ang naghihirap......
habang dumadami ang naghihirap, lalong dumadami ang gumagawa ng krimen at karahasan.........

marami din sa ating mga pulito ang sumasang-ayon sa simbahan katoliko pero may vested interest sa likod nang pagsang-ayon na ito...... basbas at endorso sa election......... mas maraming taong hindi nakapag-aral, mas marami ang botante na madali nilang lokohin para sila ay iboto............. mas maraming naghihirap, mas marami silang mahihinging pondo na sa bulsa din nila napupunta...........

kapag ating titignan ang atin nasa kapaligiran, kung sino pa ang naghihirap ay siya pang mas madaming anak tapos ay pababayaan lang habang lumalaki......... may nagpapalimos, nagnanakaw, nagdra-drugs at marami pang ibang bagay pa na sumusuway din sa batas ng simabahan at sa utos ng Diyos..........

[southern_gurl]

I haven't read the entire bill yet, but based on my personal experience hindi talaga safe yung uminom ng pills kaya hindi ako in favor sa pag po-promote nyan. Sobrang na-trauma ako sa pills, I suffered bleeding and depression dahil dyan, it messed me up physically and mentally. Hiyangan kasi yan eh. Tapos ituturo nila sa mga teenagers na gumamit ng pills?!?! Naku goodluck imagine kung makakainom nyan mga teenagers, baka mag mass-suicide sila or something, yikes.

Ito naman yung side ng mga anti... Ayon nga sa research ng mga students from UP, Ateneo, UST, wala namang overpopulation sa Philippines eh.. meron over corruption. So I don't see the need to urgently pass this bill.

Harmful and illegal bill
Jose C. Sison
Philstar News Service

The main purpose of any legislation is to promote order and prevent controversy. Hence clarity and consistency should be its main characteristics. Unfortunately these are not found in the proposed House Bill 5043 or the RH Bill.

Even before its passage, the bill is already mired in highly contentious debates. And this is simply because the statements and declarations of its authors and supporters do not seem to reconcile with its contents and real intent.

Actually the true intent of the bill can be found in the very words of its various provisions. Sometimes however some words are vague and variedly interpreted or do not really reflect what their authors have in mind or what they are telling us. Under these circumstances, the bill's true intent can be determined by finding out its chief architect and principal designer.

So far, it has not been denied nor refuted that the RH Bill's chief designer which is aggressively pushing for its passage is the Philippine Legislative Committee for Population and Development (PLCPD) a foreign funded NGO that has its offices right at the very place where our laws are made-in the Batasan. It is likewise undisputed that the main financier of PLCPD are certain Foundations which are recognized as staunch supporters of abortion rights in the U.S. and elsewhere more specifically the International Planned Parenthood (IPPF) that initiated the UN Population Fund (UNPFA), as well as the David and Lucile Packard Foundation.

For the information of the members of the Lower House and the public in general especially those who are misinformed about the purpose of this Bill, "reproductive health" is a euphemism for abortion. The Foundations backing PLCPD by their very own words explicitly say that":

"The long term goal of Domestic Reproductive Rights sub-program is to protect and promote rights of individuals to make informed choices about their reproductive lives. This includes access to reproductive health information and reproductive health care services particularly safe and legal abortion. We fund efforts to defeat onerous restrictions on abortion access and to inform policies upholding comprehensive access, to build an influential and active base of supporters willing to educate policy makers, community leaders and other decision makers about the importance of reproductive health and rights and access to abortion".

This intent is confirmed by the provisions of the RH Bill itself that, as repeatedly pointed out and so far not denied nor refuted, promote and subsidize the use of: (1) contraceptive pills directly causing or indirectly leading to abortion or have side effects like cancer, premature hypertension, heart disease etc; (2) intra uterine devices (IUDs) that cause abortion or result in intrauterine trauma, pelvic infections and ectopic pregnancy; (3) condoms allegedly for "safe sex" but have high failure rate even against pregnancy and thus do not protect against AIDS and other STDs; and (4) tubal ligation and vasectomy especially targeting the poor leaving them without the chance to have more children in case of improved economic situation or death of their present children, and no support in their olds age.

It is argued that the bill gives women the right to make an informed choice between natural family planning and artificial contraception. Considering however that the natural methods do not entail any cost to couples and individuals but only a lot of self sacrifice and abstinence, it is quite obvious that the main bulk of the P33 billion budget will be used to subsidize the purchase and use of these contraceptives to be given free. Thus the bill in effect supports the use of these artificial contraceptive as against natural family planning. It is clearly detrimental not only to the physical but also the spiritual health of couples and individuals as they are taught the quick fix and easy way rather than the hard and enduring way.

Aside from contraception, the bill also requires value free sex education to school children. Undoubtedly, this weakens parental authority and incites adolescents to early sexual activity. Countries that have such sex education such as UK and USA show that it has only resulted in increased sexual activity among the teenagers that led to increase in STDs and unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortion.

The bill also limits family size and set the stage for a two-child policy that has now been the bane of countries which adopted it where, in a complete reversal, couples are now being encouraged to have more babies because of graying and dying population. At the same time it imposes stiff penalties of 6 months imprisonment on conscientious objectors or those who do not comply with the proposed reproductive health program. This clear transgression of individual freedoms is further aggravated by the application of the stiff penalty to any person who "maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent and provision of this Act".

All these harmful and unconstitutional provisions are being justified allegedly to alleviate poverty. But it has already been proven time and again that there is really no overpopulation in this country but only over concentration of population in some areas and that this population density cannot really be used as the scapegoat for poverty but rather the defective resource allocation and unequal wealth distribution as well as graft and corruption in the government.

Our Congressmen and women should seriously consider the position paper of a group of students from UP, Ateneo and UST who came up with the conclusion that: (1) the RH Bill is not the solution to poverty; (2) there is no overpopulation in the country; (3) there is no causal link between poverty and population increase but rather between poverty and corruption; (4) contraceptives are not only harmful, they could lead to deaths; and (5) sex education does not reduce teenage pregnancies and prevent spread of STDs.

Instead our lawmakers should heed their recommendations to redirect the P33 billion budget to strengthening the existing Social Reform and Poverty Alleviation Act (yes, there is already an existing law on poverty alleviation) as well as the institutions and NGOs now actively involved in poverty alleviation, like the Community Education Programs, Groups and initiatives on Microfinance (RA 8425) and the Gawad Kalinga housing projects.

Our legislators should not allow this country to suffer the same fate of countries that adopted this deceiving and enticing reproductive health program but are now regretting it.

[abcxyz]

I haven't read the entire bill yet, but based on my personal experience hindi talaga safe yung uminom ng pills kaya hindi ako in favor sa pag po-promote nyan. Sobrang na-trauma ako sa pills, I suffered bleeding and depression dahil dyan, it messed me up physically and mentally. Hiyangan kasi yan eh. Tapos ituturo nila sa mga teenagers na gumamit ng pills?!?! Naku goodluck imagine kung makakainom nyan mga teenagers, baka mag mass-suicide sila or something, yikes.

my sympathies for your traumatic experience with pills.

all medicines, including the pill, has side effects. even the innocent-looking headache pill has side effects. different people react differently to these side effects. some can tolerate it, some can't.

unfortunately you are one of the unlucky ones who reacted badly to the side effects of the pill. bleeding is not a normal occurence with pills. did your doctor determine the pill was the cause or was it something else?

your experience says it is really very important to have the proper medical supervision when it comes to taking the pill. there are many brands to choose from, it will just take the patience to find the best one for you.

there are millions of women who have been taking the pill for years with no adverse side effects on them. it is just unfortunate that you were one of the few who did, that is if it was really the pill that caused it.

[albert_sy2]

try NFP and tignan natin ang "side effects" nyan kung MAS KAKAYANIN MO!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural...#Effectiveness

[starczamora]

The repressive regime of Couples for Christ just released another ad urging people to lobby against the RH Bills.

[starczamora]

Ito naman yung side ng mga anti... Ayon nga sa research ng mga students from UP, Ateneo, UST, wala namang overpopulation sa Philippines eh.. meron over corruption. So I don't see the need to urgently pass this bill.

So ano gagawin natin? Maghintay bago lumala ang problema?

[albert_sy2]

Ayon nga sa research ng mga students from UP, Ateneo, UST, wala namang overpopulation sa Philippines

really? i seem to remember during my UP days that I went to the population research office there at Palma Hall and did find some articles about it. anyway, that was a long long time ago. dunno if i can confirm this.

[rickoshay]

I haven't read the entire bill yet, but based on my personal experience hindi talaga safe yung uminom ng pills kaya hindi ako in favor sa pag po-promote nyan. Sobrang na-trauma ako sa pills, I suffered bleeding and depression dahil dyan, it messed me up physically and mentally. Hiyangan kasi yan eh. Tapos ituturo nila sa mga teenagers na gumamit ng pills?!?! Naku goodluck imagine kung makakainom nyan mga teenagers, baka mag mass-suicide sila or something, yikes.



Our Congressmen and women should seriously consider the position paper of a group of students from UP, Ateneo and UST who came up with the conclusion that: (1) the RH Bill is not the solution to poverty; (2) there is no overpopulation in the country; (3) there is no causal link between poverty and population increase but rather between poverty and corruption; (4) contraceptives are not only harmful, they could lead to deaths; and (5) sex education does not reduce teenage pregnancies and prevent spread of STDs.

Can't you get other people to make a research aside from students? This last statement of yours suffers in credibility.

And don't mislead us about what happened to you. You never tried contraceptive pills!

[abcxyz]

Can't you get other people to make a research aside from students? This last statement of yours suffers in credibility.

And don't mislead us about what happened to you. You never tried contraceptive pills!

there are tons of research conducted in the philippines by many NGOs on reproductive health plus other researches and studies done in other countries.

science and facts are on the side of those for this RH bill.

[Leviticus 20]

house bill 5043 is an immoral anti-Christian statist/fascist bill that promotes the utak-condom mentality.

And it does it in the most totalitarian way possible, by forcing under the pain of criminal prosecution the promotion of the utak-condom mentality and sexual promiscuity.

Couples for Christ ( the real one, not that gawad kalinga phoney) recently posted an ad on sept 23 in the Philippine Star addressing this immoral bill.

these are the content of the ad:

http://www.cfcffl.org/prolife/prolif...d_hb5043_image

http://www.prolife.org.ph/article/ar...ew/1286/1/106/


All employers here tak note, as well as parents.


Clearly, the utak-condom do not stand for freedom, they are fascist/statist tyrants who hate parents and who hate freedom of speech and freedom of conscience as well as religious freedom.

To all my fellow Christians, please oppose this immoral anti-Christian bill, thank you.

[Leviticus 20]

[Ghost Rider]

I haven't read the entire bill yet, but based on my personal experience hindi talaga safe yung uminom ng pills kaya hindi ako in favor sa pag po-promote nyan. Sobrang na-trauma ako sa pills, I suffered bleeding and depression dahil dyan, it messed me up physically and mentally. Hiyangan kasi yan eh. Tapos ituturo nila sa mga teenagers na gumamit ng pills?!?! Naku goodluck imagine kung makakainom nyan mga teenagers, baka mag mass-suicide sila or something, yikes.

Ito naman yung side ng mga anti... Ayon nga sa research ng mga students from UP, Ateneo, UST, wala namang overpopulation sa Philippines eh.. meron over corruption. So I don't see the need to urgently pass this bill.

Harmful and illegal bill
Jose C. Sison
Philstar News Service

The main purpose of any legislation is to promote order and prevent controversy. Hence clarity and consistency should be its main characteristics. Unfortunately these are not found in the proposed House Bill 5043 or the RH Bill.

Even before its passage, the bill is already mired in highly contentious debates. And this is simply because the statements and declarations of its authors and supporters do not seem to reconcile with its contents and real intent.

Actually the true intent of the bill can be found in the very words of its various provisions. Sometimes however some words are vague and variedly interpreted or do not really reflect what their authors have in mind or what they are telling us. Under these circumstances, the bill's true intent can be determined by finding out its chief architect and principal designer.

So far, it has not been denied nor refuted that the RH Bill's chief designer which is aggressively pushing for its passage is the Philippine Legislative Committee for Population and Development (PLCPD) a foreign funded NGO that has its offices right at the very place where our laws are made-in the Batasan. It is likewise undisputed that the main financier of PLCPD are certain Foundations which are recognized as staunch supporters of abortion rights in the U.S. and elsewhere more specifically the International Planned Parenthood (IPPF) that initiated the UN Population Fund (UNPFA), as well as the David and Lucile Packard Foundation.

For the information of the members of the Lower House and the public in general especially those who are misinformed about the purpose of this Bill, "reproductive health" is a euphemism for abortion. The Foundations backing PLCPD by their very own words explicitly say that":

"The long term goal of Domestic Reproductive Rights sub-program is to protect and promote rights of individuals to make informed choices about their reproductive lives. This includes access to reproductive health information and reproductive health care services particularly safe and legal abortion. We fund efforts to defeat onerous restrictions on abortion access and to inform policies upholding comprehensive access, to build an influential and active base of supporters willing to educate policy makers, community leaders and other decision makers about the importance of reproductive health and rights and access to abortion".

This intent is confirmed by the provisions of the RH Bill itself that, as repeatedly pointed out and so far not denied nor refuted, promote and subsidize the use of: (1) contraceptive pills directly causing or indirectly leading to abortion or have side effects like cancer, premature hypertension, heart disease etc; (2) intra uterine devices (IUDs) that cause abortion or result in intrauterine trauma, pelvic infections and ectopic pregnancy; (3) condoms allegedly for "safe sex" but have high failure rate even against pregnancy and thus do not protect against AIDS and other STDs; and (4) tubal ligation and vasectomy especially targeting the poor leaving them without the chance to have more children in case of improved economic situation or death of their present children, and no support in their olds age.

It is argued that the bill gives women the right to make an informed choice between natural family planning and artificial contraception. Considering however that the natural methods do not entail any cost to couples and individuals but only a lot of self sacrifice and abstinence, it is quite obvious that the main bulk of the P33 billion budget will be used to subsidize the purchase and use of these contraceptives to be given free. Thus the bill in effect supports the use of these artificial contraceptive as against natural family planning. It is clearly detrimental not only to the physical but also the spiritual health of couples and individuals as they are taught the quick fix and easy way rather than the hard and enduring way.

Aside from contraception, the bill also requires value free sex education to school children. Undoubtedly, this weakens parental authority and incites adolescents to early sexual activity. Countries that have such sex education such as UK and USA show that it has only resulted in increased sexual activity among the teenagers that led to increase in STDs and unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortion.

The bill also limits family size and set the stage for a two-child policy that has now been the bane of countries which adopted it where, in a complete reversal, couples are now being encouraged to have more babies because of graying and dying population. At the same time it imposes stiff penalties of 6 months imprisonment on conscientious objectors or those who do not comply with the proposed reproductive health program. This clear transgression of individual freedoms is further aggravated by the application of the stiff penalty to any person who "maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent and provision of this Act".

All these harmful and unconstitutional provisions are being justified allegedly to alleviate poverty. But it has already been proven time and again that there is really no overpopulation in this country but only over concentration of population in some areas and that this population density cannot really be used as the scapegoat for poverty but rather the defective resource allocation and unequal wealth distribution as well as graft and corruption in the government.

Our Congressmen and women should seriously consider the position paper of a group of students from UP, Ateneo and UST who came up with the conclusion that: (1) the RH Bill is not the solution to poverty; (2) there is no overpopulation in the country; (3) there is no causal link between poverty and population increase but rather between poverty and corruption; (4) contraceptives are not only harmful, they could lead to deaths; and (5) sex education does not reduce teenage pregnancies and prevent spread of STDs.

Instead our lawmakers should heed their recommendations to redirect the P33 billion budget to strengthening the existing Social Reform and Poverty Alleviation Act (yes, there is already an existing law on poverty alleviation) as well as the institutions and NGOs now actively involved in poverty alleviation, like the Community Education Programs, Groups and initiatives on Microfinance (RA 8425) and the Gawad Kalinga housing projects.

Our legislators should not allow this country to suffer the same fate of countries that adopted this deceiving and enticing reproductive health program but are now regretting it.

Who's this Jose Sison guy? Is this a feature or opinion/ editorial article? I doubt UP, Ateneo and other schools will back-up this article (Is ateneo a catholic school?) unless a catholic school.

This article lacks credibility because first, where are the study references? Second, what are the background of the researchers? Are they priest or belongs to a catholic NGOs? I see Gawad Kalinga and other catholic groups on the article. Third, is the author biased, and based his article in his beliefs? Well, obviously, i see it clearly (I have a little background on journalism though).

Position letter? Nice, what kind and where do they based it? May thesis ba silang ginawa? A study? Where are the statistical data? AFAIK, facts and science, like abcxyz said, are all supporting the claim of the RH Bill legislators. Second, countries with sex education in their curriculum, most on first world countries, have lesser teenage pregnancy rate and low population growth rate.

And this is a fact: Did you know that although China has the biggest population in the world, we are greater to them in terms of population density or number of population per given area?

Consider this:

Area

Philippines: 282,000 km2
China: 9,596,961 km2

Population Density (person/ km2)

2005:

Philippines: 277
China: 138

2006:

Philippines: 292.86 (rank 26 from the highest)
China 136.12 (bumaba pa, rank 53 from the highest)

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density

April 2008 (latest):

Philippines: 305.45 (rank 42 from the highest)
China: 141.73 (rank 76 from the highest)

http://www.photius.com/rankings/geography/population_density_persons_per_sq_km_2008_0.html

although we dropped in ranking in 2008, consider that most of the countries above our ranking are third-worlds and island countries, their area is too small. Also, most of them are over populated too, like us.

Consistent tayo ano? although bumaba sa rankings, our population density is increasing, buti pa China, nagkaroon ng drop in 2006 at ang liit ng increase nila, tayo lampas 10 persons per year (approximately). No wonder nauubos na ang mga lupang pang-agrikultura at forest lands natin, more people, more lands needed for building houses.

To Gawad Kalinga, marami-rami pa kayong itatayong bahay.

[antenna]

Proponents of the Reproductive Health Bill must be prepared with logical and factual arguments to counter the objections of its opponents. If only Congress can conduct the debates on a higher plane than mere mudslinging between the proponents and opponents of the RH Bill.

these are "logical and factual"?

This intent is confirmed by the provisions of the RH Bill itself that, as repeatedly pointed out and so far not denied nor refuted, promote and subsidize the use of: (1) contraceptive pills directly causing or indirectly leading to abortion or have side effects like cancer, premature hypertension, heart disease etc; (2) intra uterine devices (IUDs) that cause abortion or result in intrauterine trauma, pelvic infections and ectopic pregnancy; (3) condoms allegedly for "safe sex" but have high failure rate even against pregnancy and thus do not protect against AIDS and other STDs; and (4) tubal ligation and vasectomy especially targeting the poor leaving them without the chance to have more children in case of improved economic situation or death of their present children, and no support in their olds age.

It is argued that the bill gives women the right to make an informed choice between natural family planning and artificial contraception. Considering however that the natural methods do not entail any cost to couples and individuals but only a lot of self sacrifice and abstinence, it is quite obvious that the main bulk of the P33 billion budget will be used to subsidize the purchase and use of these contraceptives to be given free. Thus the bill in effect supports the use of these artificial contraceptive as against natural family planning. It is clearly detrimental not only to the physical but also the spiritual health of couples and individuals as they are taught the quick fix and easy way rather than the hard and enduring way.

Aside from contraception, the bill also requires value free sex education to school children. Undoubtedly, this weakens parental authority and incites adolescents to early sexual activity. Countries that have such sex education such as UK and USA show that it has only resulted in increased sexual activity among the teenagers that led to increase in STDs and unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortion.

The bill also limits family size and set the stage for a two-child policy (hehehehe) that has now been the bane of countries which adopted it where, in a complete reversal, couples are now being encouraged to have more babies because of graying and dying population. At the same time it imposes stiff penalties of 6 months imprisonment on conscientious objectors or those who do not comply with the proposed reproductive health program. This clear transgression of individual freedoms is further aggravated by the application of the stiff penalty to any person who "maliciously engages in disinformation about the intent and provision of this Act".

All these harmful and unconstitutional provisions are being justified allegedly to alleviate poverty. But it has already been proven time and again that there is really no overpopulation in this country but only over concentration of population in some areas and that this population density cannot really be used as the scapegoat for poverty but rather the defective resource allocation and unequal wealth distribution as well as graft and corruption in the government.

Our Congressmen and women should seriously consider the position paper of a group of students from UP, Ateneo and UST who came up with the conclusion that: (1) the RH Bill is not the solution to poverty; (2) there is no overpopulation in the country; (3) there is no causal link between poverty and population increase but rather between poverty and corruption; (4) contraceptives are not only harmful, they could lead to deaths; and (5) sex education does not reduce teenage pregnancies and prevent spread of STDs.

Instead our lawmakers should heed their recommendations to redirect the P33 billion budget to strengthening the existing Social Reform and Poverty Alleviation Act (yes, there is already an existing law on poverty alleviation) as well as the institutions and NGOs now actively involved in poverty alleviation, like the Community Education Programs, Groups and initiatives on Microfinance (RA 8425) and the Gawad Kalinga housing projects.

Our legislators should not allow this country to suffer the same fate of countries that adopted this deceiving and enticing reproductive health program but are now regretting it.

the above, anti-RH bill rant are "logical and factual"? hahaha

[Big Man]

Better crawl out of that medieval cave you've been living in, dude.

[metropolitan]

Alam niyo quality education is the best population control tool.

[drhenry4]

Of course, Catholic priests and laymen would be very biased on the data on hand just to make contraceptives appear "dangerous" and FYI, the Vatican is so active funding studies that would ascertain that any contraceptive is indeed dangerous but so far findings are inconclusive. As mentioned, side effects are there but they are minimal in general, and severe side effects are not lethal, except if they are exaggerated by biased explanations, of course.

Read the proposed bill here : http://www.pcp.org.ph/v4/files/hb17.bill.pdf

Let me criticize the one written by certain Jose C. Sison

First, he attacked the bill based on which group is the proponent. He is right that the group promotes abortion but that is of course in other countries where abortion is legal (abortion was primarily legalized in some countries for extreme medical emergency cases e.g. one has to choose between the mother and the child), but the bill is not legalizing abortion as stated in Sec. 3 parag. m, while it promotes just treatment of women who had undergone illegal abortion since most of them end up in a life-threatening condition.

Then he goes on enumerating side-effects of pills, IUD, condoms, and vasectomy and tubal ligation. Let me go on them:
1. Pills are intended to prevent meeting of sperm and the egg by "cheating" the woman's body as pregnant by making it "semi-pregnant". If a woman is pregnant, naturally because of hormonal changes, she wouldn't release egg in the first place. However, there is a different kind of formulation of these pills commonly called "morning-after pills" when a woman had "unprotected sex" the night before. She would be given pills for 3 days (on the average) to modify her uterus to prevent implantation of the fertilized egg. Let me emphasize that this is not the common pill that will prevent fertilization of the egg.
2. IUD are also intended to prevent meeting of sperm and the egg by changing the properties of the uterus by becoming more hostile to sperm and egg. By doing so, fertilization is impossible. But there is another use of IUD, when it is inserted likewise on the morning after the unprotected sex.
3. Condoms of course have failure rates but this is due to wrong use of the device. The argument is perceptibly irrelevant since all contraceptives are known to be not 100% effective (which method is anyway?)
4. Operative methods like vasectomy and tubal ligation have obvious side effects but those are days after the procedure. Long term side effects are nil, of course, aside from not having child anymore.

Then he is quick to conclude that budget that will be allocated for the proposed law will be spend more on artificial contraceptives. If indeed that's the case, so what? Isn't the govt right now unjust since many who don't believe what the priests say and they couldn't avail of their artificial contraceptive choice? And they are not killing (aborting) a child.

The bill also limits family size and set the stage for a two-child policy that has now been the bane of countries which adopted it where, in a complete reversal, couples are now being encouraged to have more babies because of graying and dying population.

Obviously, Philippine population is not a "graying and dying population" with a population growth rate of 2.3%.
While the bill encourages two-child policy, it neither penalizes if a couple have more than two children, as stated in Sec. 16.

And he is dreaming if teenagers right now are not "sexually oriented" with free media environment, even now that there are no free sex education.

While there are no conclusive studies that overpopulation contributes to poverty, what these studies conclude are that the poor are the ones that have more children and ironically, have less access to family planning (natural or artificial). This is what the bill is ironing out.

[conan69]

I wonder why the Catholic Church and these charismatic groups get all hyped up when it comes to sex and birth control and yet I don't see the same enthusiasm when it comes to condeming rampant and blatant corruption in government which is the cause of all this poverty.

I remember Cardinal Sin threatening to excommunicate Erap for promoting birth control when he was still president yet, I dont see them threatening to excommunicate corrupt and greedy politician.

Oh and metropolitan are you sure you want quality education? you forget that populations with the highest literacy rates are the populations which are not influenced by Catholic Doctrines.

Stop the hypocrisy you modern day pharisees...

[drhenry4]

These are specific provisions that can be modified or completely deleted in the final bill (law) but they wouldn't affect the overall intent of the bill and that is population control.

And that's the reason there is process in making a law (debate, lobbying, etc.) to insert, modify or delete certain provisions in the bill.

But what gain would be if a certain "congresswoman" (who is a member of the Couples for Christ) will keep on whining on the floor and keep on questioning the quorum and other technicalities just to delay the proceedings?

[sannamagan]

The christian god and satan are one and the same, STFU.
Use a condom and promote sexual freedom.

house bill 5043 is an immoral anti-Christian statist/fascist bill that promotes the utak-condom mentality.

And it does it in the most totalitarian way possible, by forcing under the pain of criminal prosecution the promotion of the utak-condom mentality and sexual promiscuity.

Couples for Christ ( the real one, not that gawad kalinga phoney) recently posted an ad on sept 23 in the Philippine Star addressing this immoral bill.

these are the content of the ad:

http://www.cfcffl.org/prolife/prolif...d_hb5043_image

http://www.prolife.org.ph/article/ar...ew/1286/1/106/


All employers here tak note, as well as parents.


Clearly, the utak-condom do not stand for freedom, they are fascist/statist tyrants who hate parents and who hate freedom of speech and freedom of conscience as well as religious freedom.

To all my fellow Christians, please oppose this immoral anti-Christian bill, thank you.