Catholics, what are the doctrins of the catholic church.

[rickym]

nicolai_frank said in another thread
"There is no doctrinal change in the Catholic Church. Limbo is not an official teaching of the Catholic Church, thus, it is not a doctrine."

exactly what are the doctrines of the catholic church.
are doctrines things which the catholic church consider absolutely true?
what are the things that the pope said which are considered infallible.

[nicolai_frank]

I suggest you buy a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. This is a very helpful aid if you want to know the official teachings of the Church. And take note, LIMBO cannot be found on that book.

[nicolai_frank]

It is also available on-line. Here is the link:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

[aajao]

i thought the doctrine of the Catholic church is summarized in the Apostle's Creed? Is the creed still lacking?

[rickym]

apostle's creed?
so you mean there is no doctrine on abortion, reincarnation, birth control?

[dikomagets]

I suggest you buy a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. This is a very helpful aid if you want to know the official teachings of the Church. And take note, LIMBO cannot be found on that book.

Neither will you find there that members of RCC will be guaranteed a place in Heaven but a place in purgatory....

Here's the proof...why do you think their previos pope cannot be declared saint by the present pope if he's in Heaven?

II. Heaven

1023 Those who die in God's grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they "see him as he is," face to face:596

By virtue of our apostolic authority, we define the following: According to the general disposition of God, the souls of all the saints . . . and other faithful who died after receiving Christ's holy Baptism (provided they were not in need of purification when they died, . . . or, if they then did need or will need some purification, when they have been purified after death, . . .) already before they take up their bodies again and before the general judgment - and this since the Ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven - have been, are and will be in heaven, in the heavenly Kingdom and celestial paradise with Christ, joined to the company of the holy angels. Since the Passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and do see the divine essence with an intuitive vision, and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature

III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory

1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

[rickym]

It is also available on-line. Here is the link:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

i just looked, seems there is nothing on abortion, birth control and reincarnation. how about the idea that jesus and god are one?

[3Y3-0p3N3R]

good thread! if we ever encounter a remark that goes something like "THAT IS NOT IN THE OFFICIAL DOCTRINE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!" we need only look into this thread and confirm... I hope our catholic friends would always keep this thread updated.

[horribletruth]

i just looked, seems there is nothing on abortion, birth control and reincarnation. how about the idea that jesus and god are one?

I guess you didn't look hard enough. Have you had a glance at the index?

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...sm/index/a.htm

[horribletruth]

Sorry. Triple post.

[horribletruth]

Sorry. Triple post.

[rickym]

wait a minute, the title is 'catechism of the catholic church', are these the same as doctrines? and does it mean that the catholic church will never as in never change what they say here? as in this part is supposed to be infallible?

[nicolai_frank]

i thought the doctrine of the Catholic church is summarized in the Apostle's Creed? Is the creed still lacking?

And you do not understand what is on the apostles' creed. Apostles' creed contains the ARTICLES OF FAITH but it does not contain all the doctrines of the Church.

[nicolai_frank]

Catechism of the Catholic Church is a record of the doctrines of the Catholic Church.

[la_flash]

wait a minute, the title is 'catechism of the catholic church', are these the same as doctrines? and does it mean that the catholic church will never as in never change what they say here? as in this part is supposed to be infallible?

dogmas can never change.

all dogmas are doctrines

but not all doctrines are dogmas.

[nicolai_frank]

doctrine

Doctrine is an article of the Faith. In other words, it is something that is believed because God has revealed it. For example, the Trinity is a doctrine. There is one God in three persons, i.e., Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is an article of the Faith. This is the doctrine of the Trinity.

Doctrines never change. For example, the Church will never teach contrary to what she has already taught about the Holy Trinity. This is because, by a gift of God, the Church is faithful to God's revelation. This differs from discipline which can change.

Catholic.net

[aajao]

And you do not understand what is on the apostles' creed. Apostles' creed contains the ARTICLES OF FAITH but it does not contain all the doctrines of the Church.

yea. i do not understand what the apostles creed is coz i'm not catholic. that's why i'm asking

and by your definition of "doctrine" above ^ seems that the apostles creed isn't valuable at all because you declared that "it does not contain all the doctrines of the Church" so, what is it for, anyway? just for catholic schools to have something for their students to memorize and write on theology exams?

[rickym]

la_flash said that "dogmas can never change"
nicolai_frank said "doctrines never change"

how about the link "http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM"
are they dogmas or doctrines? if not, can they ever change?
if they can never change will i assume that none of it will?

[nicolai_frank]

yea. i do not understand what the apostles creed is coz i'm not catholic. that's why i'm asking

and by your definition of "doctrine" above ^ seems that the apostles creed isn't valuable at all because you declared that "it does not contain all the doctrines of the Church" so, what is it for, anyway? just for catholic schools to have something for their students to memorize and write on theology exams?

Another mistake you have committed. Apostles' Creed does not contain all the doctrines but it does not mean that it is not valuable. Apostles' Creed contains the ARTICLES OF FAITH of the Apostles, like the Trinity, the divinity of Christ, etc.

The Articles of Faith are not only taught in Catholic schools. In elementary schools, there is the so-called Catechism. Elementary students are already taught what are the teachings of the Apostles. They are taught before they will be contaminated by the infectious doctrines preached by Manalo, like the teaching that Christ is not God.

[nicolai_frank]

i just looked, seems there is nothing on abortion, birth control and reincarnation. how about the idea that jesus and god are one?

I. Jesus and God are one


465 The first heresies denied not so much Christ's divinity as his true humanity (Gnostic Docetism). From apostolic times the Christian faith has insisted on the true incarnation of God's Son "come in the flesh".87 But already in the third century, the Church in a council at Antioch had to affirm against Paul of Samosata that Jesus Christ is Son of God by nature and not by adoption. the first ecumenical council of Nicaea in 325 confessed in its Creed that the Son of God is "begotten, not made, of the same substance (homoousios) as the Father", and condemned Arius, who had affirmed that the Son of God "came to be from things that were not" and that he was "from another substance" than that of the Father.


II. Abortion

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person -- among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

2272 Formal co-operation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life.

III. Contraception

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.157 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:158


Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.

IV. Reincarnation

1013 Death is the end of man's earthly pilgrimage, of the time of grace and mercy which God offers him so as to work out his earthly life in keeping with the divine plan, and to decide his ultimate destiny. When "the single course of our earthly life" is completed,586 we shall not return to other earthly lives: "It is appointed for men to die once."587 There is no "reincarnation" after death.