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  1. #1
    Alicia Witt is a goddess bonzieknight45's Avatar
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    PBA Classic Match-ups: Noli Locsin vs. Vic Pablo

    hi guys! it;s been a while since the last time i posted this kind of topic. anyway this time i'm not comparing one leading man to another. i'm pitting which i think two of the best underrated players during their time although they're not the superstars on their team they were able to grab the spotlight.

    NOLI LOCSIN

    Strengths: a good post player, very athletic on his position and style of game, has a good shooting touch

    Weakness: having a hard time defending bigger players


    VIC PABLO

    Strengths: a good post player, very athletic player, a good shooter

    Weakness: foul-prone player

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    Gagalangin Hardcore Killerz overdrive's Avatar
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    This is a tough match up because one is good shooter and the other is a post player. But if I have to choose between the two. I'd go for Noli "The Tank" Locsin anytime of the day.

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    They were also teammates during their Triple V and Nikon days, if I'm not mistaken. Both were drafted by the same franchise in the PBA draft - Ginebra San Miguel - although Pablo was eventually shipped to Pepsi Mega vice veteran Manny Victorino because of salary dispute (Pablo was asking for the P70k max, Ginebra was only offering 60k). Pablo was drafted 2nd overall in 1993 while Noli Locsin was the league's top pick the succeeding year...

    My biases have always been on players who have the heart to mix it up inside regardless of the height advantage of the other team. My vote would be on Luis "Noli" Locsin, plus the fact that he rates as one of my top 10 favorite PBA players of all time...

    And for spurning Robert Jaworski in 1993, Pablo has been in my ignominy list for quite some time. But that's just the prejudice in me...

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    I'll go for Noli Locsin. Naging player namin dito sa Saudi sa isang exhibition games at ako ang assistant coach pero ang naging papel taga-abot lang sa kanya ng paste para dumikit ang bola sa kamay nya.

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    Lupit ng trabaho pala ng assistant coach jan pareng Mikey! :-)

    Kung may sahod yan, sabihan mo naman ako! Magaling din ako mag-paste!

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    The tank for me. He was a consistent double-double performer during his rookie year, he could have been the ROY if only Ginebra fared well that season.
    His offensive skill is at par with the great PF(Asaytono, Patrimonio et al) of his time.
    Same thing with JPM, I kind a 'disliked' Pablo when he refused to suit up for Jawo in 93.

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    BANO S6 & S5 Champion galaxy_ram's Avatar
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    Pablo entered the PBA a year earlier than Locsin. Even then, Pablo is still playing effectively the past few seasons, whereas Locsin has become a journeyman the past 4 years, jumping from one league to another.

    Pablo, in my mind, is one of the most under-rated and most overlooked players in PBA history. Not a lot of people talk about him, but he's built himself a solid PBA career spanning 14 seasons, averaged in double figures nearly every year and has played integral roles for various elite teams.

    During his prime, Pablo was one of the PBA's most dangerous in-game dunkers, regularly taking a spot in weekly highlight reels. He was also a very under-rated post player who slowly developed a potent outside shot in the pros. No, he wasn't as explosive like Noli Locsin, but he was the more consistent and more complete player.

    And unlike Locsin, Pablo was able to adjust well and slide to the SF position. In fact, he flourised in this role in the mid-90's until today.

    That said, I'd take Victor Pablo over Noli Locsin.

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    Swing Away Efren! reighun's Avatar
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    i say Noli Locsin is much more exciting than Vic Pablo, kinakabahan ako sa ginebra dati pag kalaban ang alaska, hindi dahil kay feihl, aquino, bal david at hizon, kundi dahil kay locsin at jawo (di po si dudut)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by galaxy_ram View Post
    Pablo entered the PBA a year earlier than Locsin. Even then, Pablo is still playing effectively the past few seasons, whereas Locsin has become a journeyman the past 4 years, jumping from one league to another.

    Pablo, in my mind, is one of the most under-rated and most overlooked players in PBA history. Not a lot of people talk about him, but he's built himself a solid PBA career spanning 14 seasons, averaged in double figures nearly every year and has played integral roles for various elite teams.

    During his prime, Pablo was one of the PBA's most dangerous in-game dunkers, regularly taking a spot in weekly highlight reels. He was also a very under-rated post player who slowly developed a potent outside shot in the pros. No, he wasn't as explosive like Noli Locsin, but he was the more consistent and more complete player.

    And unlike Locsin, Pablo was able to adjust well and slide to the SF position. In fact, he flourised in this role in the mid-90's until today.

    That said, I'd take Victor Pablo over Noli Locsin.
    Sapul na sapul ito. There's more to basketball than "pretty shots" and dunking. Pablo obviously is the more consistent player between the two. While Noli maybe the more explosive one (particularly during his early years with Ginebra) he wasn't able to sustain this and he turned out into a journeyman player.

    Personally, ang tingin ko eh nung pagpasok ng mga fil-ams eh kinailangan mag-adjust ng mga local bigmen, Pablo was able to do that but Locsin didn't.

    With regards to spurning Ginebra on draft day, Vic Pablo wasn't the only one to do this, Romy Dela Rosa also pulled the same trick in 1989. Nung time na iyun I couldn't understand why these players would even do such a thing given that not every Filipino gets such an opportunity to play in the PBA, pero when I started earning my own money and paying my own bills I suddenly realized why.

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    Noli "The Tank" Locsin.

    Tuwang tuwa ako dati pag siya yung GRAND AIR SKY HIGH awardee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liontamer View Post
    Personally, ang tingin ko eh nung pagpasok ng mga fil-ams eh kinailangan mag-adjust ng mga local bigmen, Pablo was able to do that but Locsin didn't.
    Siguro dahil masyadong maliit si Noli Locsin sa pwesto nya. Pero kung classic match-up ang pag-uusapan natin dito, most likely the Tank has the Edge over Vic Pablo. Although career wise, medyo angat sya kay Noli Locsin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Godfather View Post
    Siguro dahil masyadong maliit si Noli Locsin sa pwesto nya. Pero kung classic match-up ang pag-uusapan natin dito, most likely the Tank has the Edge over Vic Pablo. Although career wise, medyo angat sya kay Noli Locsin.
    Good point, but honestly, that remains to be seen. Locsin relies on a combination of brute force and athleticism, but during his early years his success was mainly anchored on his ability to overpower the other power forwards "kinakalabaw" ika nga nila. Pablo on the otherhand was more of a finesse player who can play both outside and inside, yes he can dunk but his dunks were more graceful, Locsin's was power.

    If these guys played one-on-one, it will be a close call, Pablo may probably win by the slimmest of margins because of his outside shot.

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    Victor Pablo shempre..... napaka versatile player...

    isa sa mga hindi ko makalimutang eh ginawa nya yung angas dunk sa harap Andy Seigle

    about Noli.. ok fine magaling din sya... kaya lang naman naging angat dahil nasa crowd favorite team sya eh...

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    i'll take vic pablo because of his versatility and outside shot..

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    Pablo's game only picked up when he was traded to Shell. When he was playing for Pepsi and San Miguel, he was very inconsistent.

    One of the unforgettable moves of Vic Pablo in the PBA. Dunking over both Marlou Aquino and EJ Feihl.

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    i'll pick locsin over pablo...

    this guy can leap and dunk kahit walang buwelo... i remember one play where he got the offensive rebound underneath the basket... jump... and just dunk the ball that easy...

    he's also my idol... next to ampalayo... and they are both wearing no 6... wala lang...

    btw, nasan na si noli? bata pa ito di ba? bakit wala na sya sa pba?

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    Vic Pablo. yes. because of the outside shot. im missing Shell again

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    Biased ako sorry..The Tank shempre..sa kanya ko pinattern laro ko..idol na idol ko yan..nakilala tuloy ako na "The Water Tank"..hahaha..

    Who can forget yung "bitin" shot nya against Limpot? yung Sta Lucia? I'm sure you know what I'm talking about

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    Quote Originally Posted by st.anger View Post
    Vic Pablo. yes. because of the outside shot. im missing Shell again
    dammit. We used to sit next to his family when we were watching games - we were in greeting terms.

    Pablo's highlights can in the form of reverse slams against Andy Seigle (back in the time when he was actually good). hehe

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    Comparing Vic Pablo & Noli Locsin

    I remember watching these 2 players first come into prominence when they started playing for the National Youth teams. They were the main men then in those teams, but subsequently had somewhat disappointing PBA careers.

    They both play the same position, mainly Power Forward. Noli is listed as 6'3", but I think he was closer to 6'1". Pablo was listed at 6'4", and he does seem to be around that height. They have similar builds, both were wide-bodies.

    'Vic Pablo'

    The thing I remember most about Vic Pablo, was that he gets his points mostly from the outside. He was a great shooter, & was very consistent w/ his set shot.

    However, for some reason, Vic really wasn't that good at creating his own shots. I suspect it was the lack of lateral quickness on his part, coupled w/ limited coordination that kept him from having good & consistent one on one moves.

    He had a relatively long PBA career, but it was a career that really wasn't that distinguished.

    'Noli Locsin'

    Noli, on the other hand, was a burly guy w/ great leaping ability. I remember being excited watching him play, because you rarely see a local with his bulk who could leap as well as he did. He was also quick for his size.

    The problem w/ Noli, though, was that, like Mr. Excitement, his jumping jack days in the PBA didn't last very long. I believe he got injured early on in his career, and he got sidelined for quite some time. When he came back, his numbers were not as good anymore.

    The data will show this (that walking basketball database, Anthony Servinio, I hope you can help w/ this), if available. His stats, as well as his style of play, were vastly different before & after that injury.

    Noli's career just sort of slowly spiraled down after an initially promising PBA career. Eventually, I think Pablo outlasted him on the league.


    Verdict: Noli Locsin in his early days in the PBA was an exciting player. Pablo was consistent & steady, & had more longevity, but not very exciting to watch.
    Last edited by rhk111; Mar 31, 2007 at 05:36 PM.

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