10 Dirtiest PBA Player of All Time....

[flsfnoeraekadad]

Jawo punching a referee. Hehehe kundi kay Bongbong baka di sya naging The Living Legend.

[white rabbit]

what I can remember...

1. Jaworski tackling Lastimosa in pursuit of the loose ball

there was a game where jawo also punched jolas in the solar plexus, or are we talking about the same game?

[galaxy_ram]

Hahahah... I remember that, what I'm refering was when Lastimosa is already with Alaska. Matindi nga pala yun history ng 2 to

What makes this more interesting is that Jawo happens to be Jolas' "ninong" in his wedding (with Butchick). It is said that close friends of the two acted as mediators since Jawo was so mad he refused to talk to Jolas for days.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Bchot,

It was Romeo Frank, a teammate of Jimmy Noblezada at U/Tex, responsible for Adornado's busted knee back in 1976.

Rogelio "Tembong" Melencio, believe it or not, never played in the PBA. He's a gifted defensive player and was the leading scorer of the Opel Yutivo team in the MICAA back in 1973 which made him a member of the 1973 National team to the ABC. Melencio was chiefly responsible for handcuffing South Korean hotshot Shin Dong Pa in that game and was also the person who triggered a near free-for-all against the Koreans.

Ghostrider is absolutely correct - name me the "dirtiest" player in the PBA today and they won't even make it to the Top 30 dirtiest players back in the 70's and 80's. The games today are so much cleaner and less physical, unlike before when your life and career are always at stake once you step into the hardwood.

My list in no particular order:

1. Johnny Revilla - Crispa / Great Taste
2. Aurelio Clarino - Toyota / Ginebra
3. Jimmy Javier - Crispa
4. Victor Sanchez - Tanduay
5. Onchie Dela Cruz - Tanduay / Shell / Great Taste
6. Rudy Distrito - Ginebra / Swift / Manhattan / Crispa
7. Joy Dionisio - Carrier / Crispa
8. Oscar Rocha - Toyota
9. Angelito Esguerra - Crispa / Manila Beer
10. Romulo Orillosa - Shell

Rudy Soriano was involved in a fisticuff with Ramon Fernandez at the dugout of the Araneta Coliseum after a Crispa-Toyota game in 1975 which led to Fernandez busting his nose and getting operated on. It was common fixture to see players injuring a certain part of their body without fanfare - if they complain to the media, then that would make them look like "sissies." No one makes an issue out of the other player's roughhousing - you just take what they give and hope you can retaliate later.

[di_ako_si_glenn]

penissi!!! dalas makasakit ng player

[ayupac]

Mick "The Career Ender" Pennisi

[Direct Hit]

there was a game where jawo also punched jolas in the solar plexus, or are we talking about the same game?

I'm not really sure, but I guess it was the same game. And how ironic, Jawo was the ninong at Jolas' wedding.

[KobeWanKenobi]

^^^Isn't it more ironic that the trigger that forced Jaworski to punch Jolas is because Jolas undercut (sinaahod) his godfather?

[flsfnoeraekadad]

2. Mick "You almost killed Eugene Tejada" Pennisi.

[shadow_allan]

naglalaro anak ni sonny cabatu ngayon dba? d ba nya nakuha yung gulang ng tatay nya? hehehe

[Ghostrider]

Name the players who got a knee injury after showing up any of the 10 players above.

With the exception of Rudy Distrito I don't think any of the other 9 was directly responsible for causing the injury of any player.

Jaworski ended the career of Freddie Webb (MICAA) on a fastbreak "tackle".

From what I remember, an Itoy Esguerra hard foul almost killed a foreign player and sparked a wild melee.

Its hard to come up with a comprehensive listing, because these guys usually reserved their "best" for imports and foreign competitions.

Can anyone remember who ended the careers of Joel Banal and rookie of the year, Rafael "Cho" Sison?

Ok if Tembong doesn't make the list because he never played in the PBA, then I guess it would be a toss-up between Vic "Rambo" Sanchez or Jay Mendoza. Honorable mention na lang si Benny Cheng.

Re: Mick Pennissi, true he ended the career of Eugene Tejada, but I don't count it as it was a fluke. Its not like he intended to end his career. The guys on this list when they put their mind to it, had baaad intentions and put it into action.

[bchoter]

^^^Isn't it more ironic that the trigger that forced Jaworski to punch Jolas is because Jolas undercut (sinaahod) his godfather?

He really was forced to act on it ha

[Gospel of Judas]

E-vil also reserved his best for the internationals. He was almost jailed somwhere abroad just because of an on-court melee he figured in.

[KobeWanKenobi]

Jaworski ended the career of Freddie Webb (MICAA) on a fastbreak "tackle".

How can he end the career of Freddie Webb when Webb himself played with Jaworski in the PBA? If he ended the career of Webb in the MICAA, then Webb couldn't have played in the PBA.

Honorable mention na lang si Benny Cheng.

I also don't think Cheng played with murder and mayhem on his mind. I've watched him play from the NCAA with Mapua to Purefoods and later Ginebra and he never performed any cheap shots but was on the other hand a very physical defender. He was also a disciple of Jaworski's giving a hard foul rule. But a hard foul is still different from intending to harm.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Ghostrider,

Freddie Webb actually played in the PBA for Yco Tanduay from 1975-1979 if I'm not mistaken. He formed the super guard troika of the Distillers / Esquires made up of Mike Bilbao, Rene Canent and himself. In an all-star competitions (ala battle of the network stars), Webb won the sprint title overcoming Bernie Fabiosa and Yoyong Martirez back in the late 70's. He eventually retired because of a brittle knee but I don't recall him having been sidelined on account of a dirty move of an opponent...

[libed]

JPM,
With due respect, i was surprised you include Jimmy Javier i your list. Anyway, here's mine and in no particular order.
Rudy Distrito
Clariño
Oscar Rocha
Ricky Relosa
Robert Jaworski Sr.
Itoy Esguerra
Arnie Tuadles (very few PEXERS does not know the incident wherein he hit Mon Fernandez in the area where it hurts most during the 1984 season game between Beer Hausen and Great Taste)
Jimmy Noblezada
Vic Sanchez
Onchie Dela Cruz

[bchoter]

JPM, thanks for the info. Now I remember Romeo Frank. most of my brothers and uncles were really hot on Jimmy Noblezada because of his reputation and his iron man physique. Poor Jimmy, For the longest time we thought it was him who almost cut short one of our favorite Redmanizers.

[Jay P. Mercado]

Libed,

No problem about Javier. Remember, we're both Crispa followers and one of the few Crispa players I reviled was Javier. I had a knock on him for two reasons:

1. He was projected to be the next most important big man for Crispa. Alas, he ended up to be a poor man's version of Abet Guidaben. I remember him significantly for what he did to Carlos Terry of Toyota - ripping off his jersey in one game back in the 1978 Open Conference. Terry looked more like a caveman after the ripoff and it took masking tape to make his shirt in playing condition once more.

2. Javier was downright dirty in my opinion. He couldn't hold his own against the imports or the local big men so he resorted to undercutting, shoving, even punching his co-players. I never tolerated this since this was one of the reasons why Crispa lost their lead against their opponents - his out of control ways normally led to the opponents' repeated rallies. He didn't do anything right inside the court, except for the rough stuff.

Bchot,

No problem man. Frank and Noblezada played for the same team (U/Tex Weavers later Wranglers) so it was normal for a follower to mistake one from the other. Frank wore jersey #15 for U/Tex while Noblezada wore jersey #8. Noblezada, while physical, I never really considered as a dirty player since he was built like a rock and played like one inside the paint as both center and power forward. On the other hand, Frank was the team's small forward so it was expected that he'd go up against Adornado one-on-one defensively.

[Ghostrider]

Ghostrider,

Freddie Webb actually played in the PBA for Yco Tanduay from 1975-1979 if I'm not mistaken. He formed the super guard troika of the Distillers / Esquires made up of Mike Bilbao, Rene Canent and himself. In an all-star competitions (ala battle of the network stars), Webb won the sprint title overcoming Bernie Fabiosa and Yoyong Martirez back in the late 70's. He eventually retired because of a brittle knee but I don't recall him having been sidelined on account of a dirty move of an opponent...

Ok, might be mistaken on Freddie Webb. Lumalabo na talaga ang alaala kapag tumatanda.

Kobe:

Re: Cheng, that's the way I saw it. I was a Ginebra fan but some of the things he did just made me wince. Resident enforcer and hothead siya ng Ginebra. I remember him and Jay Mendoza figuring in many colorful incidents both in and off the court. Kung hard foul lang ang gusto mo, perewede na si Wilmer Ong. Anyway, this is my opinion and feel free to disagree.

Btw, I'm interested in seeing your list.

[KobeWanKenobi]

I believe Cheng was only retaliating against fellow Cardinal Jay Mendoza who's a known cheap shot artist by the way.

Regarding my list:

1. Victor Sanchez
2. Onchie Dela Cruz
3. Rudy Distrito
4. Oscar Rocha
5. Angelito Esguerra
6. Glen Capacio - I've seen him deliver second and third motion elbows and often wonder why referees don't call him for such actions.
7. Jay Mendoza
8. Ricky Relosa
9. Mick Pennisi
10. Arnie Tuadles - Shouldn't really be here but his memorable hack that broke Leo Isaac's arm was a memorable hit from him.

I haven't seen Rocha play but the way he played in the Crispa Toyota Reunion game, he deserves to be in the top 10.