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    Your Top 10 deadliest shooters in the PBA of all time

    been reading that discussion about atoy co & some of the greatest shooters in the pba during the old days so for the benefit of oldies & overseas-based pinoys like me who's never (or only had a glimpse) seen the likes of ritualo, hontiveros etc im making this thread.

    1. Allan Caidic
    2. Atoy Co
    3. Bogs Adornado
    4. Ricardo Brown
    5. Ronnie Magsanoc
    6. Boy Cabahug
    7. Jimmy Manansala
    8. Jun Papa
    9. Marte Saldana
    10. Al Solis

  2. #2
    My Top 10:

    1. Bogs Adornado
    2. Ricky Brown
    3. Atoy Co
    4. Allan Caidic
    5. Jun Papa
    6. Danny Florencio
    7. Francis Arnaiz
    8. Ronnie Magsanoc
    9. Boy Cabahug
    10. Al Solis

  3. #3
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    1. allan caidic
    2. bogs adornado
    3. ronnie magsanoc
    4. atoy co
    5. al solis
    6. boy cabahug
    7. pido jarencio
    8. renren ritualo
    9. frankie lim
    20. boyet fernandez

  4. #4
    allan caidic
    pido jarencio
    ren ren ritualo
    al solis
    boy cabahug
    ronnie magsanoc
    atoy co
    dondon hontiveros

    (other deadly shooter worth mentioning)
    roel gomez (alaska)
    elmer lago (ginerbra/purefoods)
    boyet fernandez
    ritchie ticzon (shell)

  5. #5
    Fortunato Co
    Allan Caidic
    William Adornado
    Renato Agustin
    Elmer Cabahug
    Ricardo Brown
    Ronnie Magsanoc
    Jimmy Manansala
    Gary Vargas
    Al Solis

  6. #6
    notables:

    Ricric Marata
    Alfie Almario
    Etok Lobo
    Lim Eng Beng
    Ato Agustin
    Joey Loyzaga
    Rudy Distrito

  7. #7
    My All Time Greats
    -----------------------------
    - Allan Caidic
    - Bogs Adornado
    - Freddie Hubalde
    - Atoy Co
    - Ricardo Brown
    - Ronnie Magsanoc


    My Honorable Mention List
    ----------------------------------------
    - Al Solis
    - Chito Loyzaga
    - Pido Jarencio
    - Ren-Ren Ritualo
    - Don Don Hontiveros



    We just don't make shooters nowadays, like they used to. Take a look at Adornado, Hubalde & Co. These guys were either 6', or above, at a time when being a six footer meant being the Center of your collegiate team.

    Today, that would be the equivalent of a 6'4" + guy playing Off Guard. How many 6'4" shooters do you know nowadays?

    And Hubalde & co. did not only play OG, they EXCELLED at it. How many 6'4" OG do you know who can claim to be pure shooters on the Mythical 5 team now?

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    for me it's really a toss up between bogs and allan.

    1. Bogs Adornado (the famous fake-one dribble to the side- then shoot)
    2. Allan Caidic (best shooter coming off the screen, great hand!)
    3. Atoy Co (best pull-up/fade away jumper ever)
    4. Ricky Brown (epitome of a 'sweet' shooter)
    5. Al Solis (a very good sniper beyond the arc)
    6. Boy Cabahug (the silencer)
    7. Ronnie Magsanoc (streak shooter)
    8. Danny Florencio (shooter and scorer)
    9. Freddie Hubalde (one of the best to use the backboard)
    10. Francis Arnaiz (Mr. Clutch, need I say more)

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    di ko naabutan si bogs maglaro..(bata pa ko eh..)

    pero si allan talaga ang pinakamalupet...

    OT...

    bading ba si bogs adornado?

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    10 best shooters according to my preference:

    Allan Caidic
    Ren Ren Ritualo
    Bogs Adornado
    Ronnie Magsanoc
    Pido Jarencio
    Franz Pumaren
    Ricky Brown
    Lordy Tugade
    Atoy Co
    Vince Hizon


    Honorable Mention: Mick P. (kahit madumi ka maglaro honorable mention ka pa din sakin.)

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    Interesting choices. From the selection made, it appears that only Ritualo, Jr., Hontiveros and Tugade made the list among active players in the all-time best shooters polled from PEX members with Mick Pennisi having a special mention.

    Just goes to show that shooting was more accurate, more highly-regarded and appreciated back in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. I just hope that with the allowing of the zone defense, the art of shooting the ball from afar would relive its glory days.

    Note: wala pa jan sa list yung mga really outstanding shooters like Botchok Delos Santos of Tanduay, Boy Mora of U/Tex, Larry Mumar of U/Tex and 7/UP, Jojo De Guzman of Tefilin, among others.

  12. #12
    madami talaga sa 80's at early 90's

    yung top three ko na lang muna

    1. Allan Caidic - no doubt
    2. Atoy Co - ang player lang na nakita ko na kapag fast break hindi lume-leyup dahil hindi marunong.. mostly hihinto sa free throw line at titira o kaya titira ng tres
    3. Bogs Adornado


    4. Ricardo Brown
    5. Al Solis
    6. Ronnie Magsanoc
    7 Francis Arnaiz
    8. Boy Cabahug
    9. Ric Ric Marata
    10. Jun Papa

    Then yung ibang kinatatakutan

    1. Chito/Joey Loyzaga.... ang massarap na pakinggan LOYZAGA THREE POINTS!!
    2. Robert Jaworski
    3. Danny Seigle
    4. Mick Pennisi
    5. Danny Seigle
    6. Dindo Pumaren

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
    Interesting choices. From the selection made, it appears that only Ritualo, Jr., Hontiveros and Tugade made the list among active players in the all-time best shooters polled from PEX members with Mick Pennisi having a special mention.

    Just goes to show that shooting was more accurate, more highly-regarded and appreciated back in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. I just hope that with the allowing of the zone defense, the art of shooting the ball from afar would relive its glory days.

    Note: wala pa jan sa list yung mga really outstanding shooters like Botchok Delos Santos of Tanduay, Boy Mora of U/Tex, Larry Mumar of U/Tex and 7/UP, Jojo De Guzman of Tefilin, among others.
    I think another factor that contributed to this trend is the presence of more slashers high-flyers, post and near-the-ring finishers in this age of basketball. Even European guys are now adding the "brusko" factor in their game cause the game demands it from them. I'm watching the Euroleague every midnight and I am seeing more post moves from European bigs and more penetrations from European guards. But yes, they can still shoot damn right.

    The same applies with the PBA. The emergence of the more Fil-Ams (and sadly Fil-Shams) paved way for a more post-oriented and inside oriented game for the league and we are seeing more highflyers, good near-the-ring and post finishers. But at the same time, the league is heralding bigs who can play face-up or with their backing up in the post.

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
    Just goes to show that shooting was more accurate, more highly-regarded and appreciated back in the 70's, 80's and early 90's. I just hope that with the allowing of the zone defense, the art of shooting the ball from afar would relive its glory days.
    But I thought the PBA has been allowing Zone defense for years already, right?

  15. #15
    people are too young to remember jimmy mariano? and i think robert jaworski is up there when it comes to career points and TPS'.

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    RHK,

    The zone defense was outlawed by the league from the date of its inception until 2004. The past three seasons, including this one, a variant of the zone defense is allowed by the league in the hope of developing better shooters. I say variant since it doesn't exactly allow the zone without limitations, unlike how it is allowed in non-professional leagues.

    Mac,

    Good point. Jimmy Mariano, the first tall shooting forward in the history of the PBA, was one of the finest long-tom (a term used back in the 70's) artists back then. He was part of several national teams, including the victorious 1973 ABC team that won the championship against South Korea here in Manila. He was also a vital cog for the Meralco Reddywatts back in the MICAA, and, had the 3 point shot been present back then, he would have been one of the best trey shooters of his time.

    But since the question only covered the deadliest PBA shooters, I may have to defer on Mariano and give way to other better shooters. For one, Mariano was a shade of his old self when he was already playing for 7/UP and Filmanbank - while he still had the touch, his accuracy wasn't as good when he was still playing in the MICAA. Hence, it was easier to choose shooters of his generation like Jun Papa (who once held the PBA record among locals in 1975 when he scored 55 points) and when he and Big Billy Robinson led the Mariwasa Honda Panthers to the 1977 All Filipino championship (ended up runnerup against Crispa), and Danny Florencio, who once was tied with Adornado for the best scoring record of the PBA with 64 points he established back in 1977 and when he was the league's topscorer in seasons 1977 and 1978. You can't get any better scorer than the original Skywalker - note that in 1978, he was the league's top local scorer despite playing alongside superstars Robert Jaworski, Ramon Fernandez, Francis Arnaiz, Estoy Estrada, Abe King and top rookie sensations Emerito Legaspi and Pablo Javier.

    But thanks for bringing up Mariano's name in this thread. He surely deserves cognizance, at least, if the choices extended up to the Top 20 all time best shooters.

  18. #17
    remember also that mariano's coaching of presto-tivoli greatly boosted caidic's scoring career. kinda saw himself in the younger caidic, i guess.

  19. #18
    1. Chip Engeland - ain't no shooting coach for nothing
    2. Bogs Adornado - classic fake and classic form
    3. Allan Caidic - holds the most 3-point shots made in a game
    4. Ricky Brown - he was preoccupied with his defenders footwork than taking a look at the rim
    5. Atoy Co - he'll pop a 3-pointer even on a 2-on-1 fastbreak
    6. Jun Papa - I always associated him with the bottom of the net
    7. Danny Florencio - was more known as a scorer but was a deadshot as well
    8. Ronnie Magsanoc - he is of the Ricky Brown mold in terms of shooting form
    9. Al Solis - could have gone to the pros (and to Toyota) earlier if not for age restrictions.
    10. Franz Pumaren - although he was dismissed as Calma's side kick, he was a great shooter even in international games

  20. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay P. Mercado View Post
    RHK,

    The zone defense was outlawed by the league from the date of its inception until 2004. The past three seasons, including this one, a variant of the zone defense is allowed by the league in the hope of developing better shooters. I say variant since it doesn't exactly allow the zone without limitations, unlike how it is allowed in non-professional leagues.

    Mac,

    Good point. Jimmy Mariano, the first tall shooting forward in the history of the PBA, was one of the finest long-tom (a term used back in the 70's) artists back then. He was part of several national teams, including the victorious 1973 ABC team that won the championship against South Korea here in Manila. He was also a vital cog for the Meralco Reddywatts back in the MICAA, and, had the 3 point shot been present back then, he would have been one of the best trey shooters of his time.

    But since the question only covered the deadliest PBA shooters, I may have to defer on Mariano and give way to other better shooters. For one, Mariano was a shade of his old self when he was already playing for 7/UP and Filmanbank - while he still had the touch, his accuracy wasn't as good when he was still playing in the MICAA. Hence, it was easier to choose shooters of his generation like Jun Papa (who once held the PBA record among locals in 1975 when he scored 55 points) and when he and Big Billy Robinson led the Mariwasa Honda Panthers to the 1977 All Filipino championship (ended up runnerup against Crispa), and Danny Florencio, who once was tied with Adornado for the best scoring record of the PBA with 64 points he established back in 1977 and when he was the league's topscorer in seasons 1977 and 1978. You can't get any better scorer than the original Skywalker - note that in 1978, he was the league's top local scorer despite playing alongside superstars Robert Jaworski, Ramon Fernandez, Francis Arnaiz, Estoy Estrada, Abe King and top rookie sensations Emerito Legaspi and Pablo Javier.

    But thanks for bringing up Mariano's name in this thread. He surely deserves cognizance, at least, if the choices extended up to the Top 20 all time best shooters.
    I see. So, the PBA sort of adopted a HALF-BAKED Zone Defense rule? No wonder we aren't going anywhere in International rules.

    Give it to the PBA, to adopt half-baked measures almost everytime. You see, the PBA is too "special", it is way above international basketball that it feels it can adopt half-baked measures, & still excel at international competitions (shakes head). 'Hay, naku'.


    Yup, I think almost everyone forgot about Jimmy Mariano, a notable shooter in his time. Too bad his son didn't inherit his height. I think Jimmy was around 6'4", right?

  21. #20
    RHK111

    The "halfbaked" zone rules the PBA uses is patterned after NBA's. While teams are allowed to play zone, no defender can set camp in the shaded area if he doesn't have an opponent within arm's reach. If he has no opponent within arm's reach for three seconds, the defender is called a technical foul.

    In the case of Filipino players playing defense, we don't have a very, very tall player who can be effective at camping in the shaded lane. Thus, whether the PBA adopts full zone or NBA zone is immaterial since we have no player capable of doing the camping in the lane job.

    One more thing, players used to having their opponents within arms reach even while playing zone ensures that tall opposing players don't have an open long or mid range jumper. And that is what will kill the Filipino's defense is if the opponents can shoot over them at will if they just camp in the lane and do nothing.

    On the other hand, on offense, having a player within arms length of you at any given time even while your opponent is playing zone will make local outside shooters more intelligent at going up against any type of defense.

    So basically, even with the "half-baked" zone, teams and players will learn a lot going up against these defenses.

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