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  1. #1

    'People power' could bring disaster

    'People power' could bring disaster

    Taipei Times
    By Lee Wen-chung and Tuan Yi-kang

    Tuesday, Sep 12, 2006,Page 8

    `It is only when a country's constitutional system falters and all systemic measures lose efficacy that a popular movement can legitimately adopt methods to overturn the system. Unfortunately, even this can have unforeseen negative effects on that country's democratic development.'

    Regardless of changes in theories about democracy and the increasing complexity of benchmarks for measuring democratic progress, political participation remains the core value of democracy. The easiest way to implement this value is to let the public manifest its wishes in elections under a representative system.

    This means that allotting political power through periodic, fair and free elections with mid-term polls serving as a barometer of the government's success or failure make up one important standard for measuring the level of a country's democratic development. To protect the stability of the system, attacks on democratic election mechanisms should be avoided, since that might hurt one of the cornerstones of democracy. If the president or the government behave immorally or are incompetent to the point that their legitimacy is damaged, these leaders should be deposed through impeachment, recall, a vote of no confidence or at the ballot box. This is how democracy works.

    We are not trying to say that popular movements are always a bad thing. On the contrary, in a country where democracy and the rule of law have not been completely implemented, popular movements are the most important source of pressure on the national leadership to implement reform. Even so, the goals proposed by such popular movements must still be achieved and implemented within the system. A typical example is the Wild Lily Student Movement of the 1990s. This could be called the first large-scale popular movement challenging the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) regime, and it was also the catalyst for similar types of political participation by Taiwanese society.

    The main demand of the movement was for a new elections for the legislature, which at that time was made up of legislators elected in China prior to 1949. Although that demand wasn't immediately implemented, the process became a major source of pressure on the KMT's authoritarian government. Then-president Lee Teng-hui was forced to call a national affairs conference, initiate a series of constitutional amendments, force senior members of the National Assembly and legislature to resign and hold new legislative elections. This whole process represented a peaceful revolution that was welcomed by the Taiwanese people.

    It is only when a country's constitutional system falters and all systemic measures lose efficacy -- in particular, when the government uses armed force or other illegitimate methods to overturn a democratic system or an election result -- that a popular movement can legitimately adopt methods to overturn the system. Unfortunately, even this can have unforeseen negative effects on that country's democratic development.

    Let's use the Philippines as an example. In 1972, General Ferdinand Marcos declared martial law. He then changed the Constitution to cement his dictatorship, and in 1983 killed his main opponent, Benigno Aquino. In the 1986 presidential election, official figures had Marcos as the winner with 10.1 million votes, against Corazon Aquino's 9,2 million votes. Both within the Philippines and internationally, vote-rigging was suspected, and the opposition camp declared its refusal to accept the official result. People rose up in response and forced Marcos to step down in what amounted to a revolution by popular power.

    Following the revolution, the Philippines returned to democracy, but a Pandora's box had been opened -- the Philippines is now described by many academics as the worst example of a democratic system. From the days of president Corazon Aquino until today, when the incumbent president is facing the threat of military coups and public movements demanding that she step down, the political situation has remained chaotic, society has remained unstable, and the economy has failed to take off.


    A close look at the organization of Shih Ming-teh's campaign to force President Chen Shui-bian to step down shows that it includes people from the pan-blue camp that deny Chen's legitimacy to rule, supporters dissatisfied with the government's achievements over the past six years and others who see Chen and his family as corrupt. We reject all of these positions. The vote recount and the judiciary's verdict proved that the outcome of the 2004 presidential election was not the result of vote-rigging; dissatisfaction with the government's lackluster achievements was amply reflected in last year's three-in-one local government elections; and courts are still investigating the question of the First Family's morals and integrity. Furthermore, the constitutional mechanisms for impeachment or a vote of no confidence in the Cabinet have still not been used.

    This is why we cannot support the use of a popular campaign that attacks the stability of our democracy. This point of view is supported by Lee's success and the failure in the Philippines. If the demands of Shih's campaign are not handled within the system, we worry that the nation could be facing disaster.


    Lee Wen-chung is a Democratic Progressive Party legislator. Tuan Yi-kang is a former convener of the party's New Tide faction.

    Translated by Perry Svensson

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    I totally agree. People power option should never be encourage anymore. This is what im pointing out with my previous replies. But it should never be misunderstood as if the wisdom is a mere ploy to protect the present administration.

    We must all learn to bear the burden of our social immaturity. We must all learn to accept that, in a way, we are all part and are accountable for what the country is into right now.

    No more to People Power. We learned already. It is not the answer. The political cycle of hatred will not stop. PP should be stopped.For once the present administration has been successfully removed thru People Power, coup deta, or other popular movement revolution, the next thing we will see is, the GMA loyalists will be on the streets, doing the same tactics as what the oppositions are busy doing now. Silipan, hanapan ng butas.

    Our politicians never learned. The numbing effect of greed has turned our country into a banana republic. Truth is we cannot actually comprehend. for we have limited vision of common good, especially our leaders, who can actually choose to be heroes, to lift the country. Unite the people.

    Do we see hope in this continuing cycle? How many more years will be spent and be wasted with this kind of social habit? Knowing the situation. Knowing the people are already deeply divided from personality inclination.

    To leaders blinded with greed and people too easy too defend their greed. Its not too late for a change. Lets focus beyond a five year , a ten or 15 year horizon, But centuries, generations to generations. The welafare of our country and the future generations.

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by leon azcarraga
    We must all learn to bear the burden of our social immaturity.
    Excuse me! Why spread the fault to everyone when only a few greedy and power-hungry criminals executed the coup d'etat to grab power. I'm a law-abiding tax-paying citizen of the Philippines and next thing I know nag-kudeta and umarteng presidente na si Gloria. Now, is that my immaturity?

    Place the burden of fault on those who violated the constitution, the power-grabbers and who are responsible for the problem we're in now and not try to dampen their responsibility by spreading the fault to everyone.

  4. #4
    It happened. Some people want it . Some people dont.

    Ito na ang Pilipinas ngayon. Maraming rasyonalisasyon na ang nangyari ay mali para sa iba, at tama naman sa kabilang banda.

    My point is... its not too late. Kung ano man ang inilatag ng tadhana ay may remedyo pa......

    Sa aking pananaw Pagkakaisa ang kasagutan

    A united sovereign people can end the reign of insincere politicians thru legitimate procedures.

    The more flag they see, the more they fear sa darating na halalan.

    Symbolism of the flag all over the archipelago should mean a new start for the country for the sake of future generations. ( No blood, No sweat )

    Symbolism of the flag should symbolize a united, politically matured electorate, that will play vital role in transforming our politicians to embrace the country with sincerity.

    You may all laugh, but why not give this a try. Display the flag for a change.
    Last edited by leon azcarraga; Sep 13, 2006 at 03:52 AM.

  5. #5
    Favorite Filipino Passtime = Edsa Revolution

    Favorite Passtime of the Philippine Govt = Kill Political Opponents

    Favorite Pastime of the Philippine Congress = Impeach GMA

    Favorite Passtime of the RC Church = maging pasaway s pag uland ng Pinas

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondying
    Excuse me! Why spread the fault to everyone when only a few greedy and power-hungry criminals executed the coup d'etat to grab power. I'm a law-abiding tax-paying citizen of the Philippines and next thing I know nag-kudeta and umarteng presidente na si Gloria. Now, is that my immaturity?

    Place the burden of fault on those who violated the constitution, the power-grabbers and who are responsible for the problem we're in now and not try to dampen their responsibility by spreading the fault to everyone.

    Masyado kang galit... Nagresign ang boss mo, hindi nya ba natatandaan. Ano ba namang kat@ngahan nyang si Erap. Pinatunayan na ng mismong Alalaya nya na si Angara.

    For the record there were no Coup 'd etat when he was unseated, so don't change history. You are too engrossed by the fact that he was unseated.

    OT: Totally no on People Power...... kaya wag ng payagan ang mga bayarang raliyista.

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    kung.sa.tingin.ng.taumbayan
    ay.oras.at.panahon.na.para.mag.people.power.
    wala.kayong.magagawa.
    bayaran.man.o.hinde...
    magkakaroon.yan.
    pero.sa.panahon.ngayon.
    walang.makakapagsabi.kung.kelan.
    kaya.wag.masydo.kabahan.ang.mga.kampon.ni.pandak..
    sabi.nyo.nga.ilang.ulit.pumalpak.ang.rally.laban.kay.glorya.

    ang.taong.naupo.ng.dahil.sa.people.power.
    lalo.na.kung.itoy.pinagplanuhan..
    ito.mananatiling.multo..
    di.nga.bat.lahat.ng.mahahalagang.okasyon.
    bawal.ang.rally.sa.edsa..
    mapuno.lang.konti..
    sandamakmak.na.pulis.ang.ilalatag..

    yan.ang.nagagawa.ng.TAKOT..
    takot.makarma...

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    ^ what's with the ......................'s??? it's annoying!!

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    ^^

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    It's like the Philippines is aiming for anong guiness spot: Most numbers of "People Power in a century!" Ai!

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    21 years after ‘People Power,’ have we moved forward?
    Posted by: Lala Ordenes-Cascolan on 31 March 2007 at 4:16 pm

    TWENTY-ONE years after Edsa, the country is still mired in poverty and the rule of law, public accountability, and the basic rules of governance continue to be set aside, a group of political analysts and human rights lawyers said.

    Talking at a forum organized by the Transparency and Accountability Network, the Friedrich Ebert Stiftung, and the British Council last Wednesday, University of the Philippines professor Randy David said “the ghosts of Edsa 1 and 2 haunt us” to this day mainly because of unsettled issues on Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s mandate and the legitimacy of her presidency.

    David raised the following:

    - If it was right to force (Joseph) Estrada out of Malacañang in 2001 for plundering the public coffers, why is it wrong to oust GMA today extraconstitutionally for an even more grievous offense of stealing the presidential elections?

    - If it was right for the Catholic bishops to demand the resignation of an incompetent and immoral president and mobilize people to flock to the streets in 1986 and in 2001, why aren’t they demanding today the resignation of a president who has made a mockery of the democratic process?

    - If it was right for the Armed Forces in 1986 and in 2001 to intervene in the political sphere, why was it wrong in February 2006?

    - If it was right in 1986 to set aside the Constitution in order to give way to a revolutionary government when such powers are needed to dismantle the structures of authoritarianism, why would it be wrong today to seize the government and set aside its Constitution in order to pave the way for a formation of a truly just and free society?

    “No matter how the Supreme Court tried to dress up this ouster as constructive resignation, the public knew that he was forced out of office with the help of the military,” said David, adding that he regrets being “one of those stupid millions who flocked to EDSA in 2001,” even bringing thousands of UP students with him.

    Former Commission on Elections chair Christian Monsod agreed that this period in Philippine history — Arroyo being sworn in as the 14th President of the Republic — is “problematic,” as there will always be questions about its legitimacy.

    Rene Saguisag, a human rights lawyer who fought against the Marcos dictatorship, also called it a “cheap thrill constitutional adventurism” without legal basis.

    David further shared a “very disturbing” recollection of First Gentleman Mike Arroyo of how President Arroyo came into power.

    He quoted Mike Arroyo’s March 5, 2001 interview with Graphic Magazine in full:

    “She (Gloria) had really left the Cabinet at the right moment. The timing was perfect. If she had tarried a moment longer she would have been too late for Edsa. But I told myself, it’s now or never. If we lose here we’re totally destroyed and it’s goodbye to her political career. But if we win here she becomes president.

    So we raised hopes. We got all those tapes from Ramon Jacinto and distributed them all over. We bought one million and a half copies of Pinoy Times to give away so the public could dream of the Erap mansion and bank accounts.

    And when Edsa happened we texted everybody to go running there. Edsa!!! Edsa!!! Everybody converged on Edsa. Panalo kung panalo, patay kung patay. At past 1 p.m., January 20, (2001) Chief of Staff Angelo Reyes defected. But we knew that already the night before, when negotiations have lasted until the small hours.

    At past 2 a.m., we knew Reyes had been convinced to join. His only condition was: “Show us a million people in Edsa so it will be easier to bring in the service commanders.”

    And they asked when the crowd was thickest. We told them from 3 to 5 in the afternoon. So they agreed to come to Edsa at around that time.”


    David said that Arroyo could have brought the current political situation to normalcy had she been content to only serve the remaining term of Estrada.

    But because she wanted her own six-year term, David said the 2004 elections became the “dirtiest electoral exercise in Philippine history.”

    In that presidential elections, public funds previously earmarked for agrarian reform, agriculture, road repair and construction, and overseas workers were allegedly channeled to finance Arroyo’s presidential campaign.

    But Monsod said that while the 2004 elections was mired in controversy, the electoral process had at least advanced since Edsa 1. Though, for him, the choices in this year’s senatorial elections leave much to be desired.

    “Philippine democracy is not in its best behavior, (but) it still works,” Monsod asserted.

    He also remains optimistic that the recently appointed Comelec commissioners — “people of integrity and competence” who are aware of the need to restore the credibility of Comelec — will not likely allow themselves to be part of a “centralized cheating.”

    “The good news is Chairman Benjamin Abalos is leaving by February 2008 and a totally new Commission will be in place,” he added.

    The results of the local electoral race this May will also be very crucial, as Batanes Rep. Henedina Abad said Congress has now become “a virtual market place where representatives haggle for their share in the budget.”

    “My colleagues in Congress are willing to forgo the functions of Congress as being a deliberative and policy-making body in exchange for ability to bring home the bacon to their constituency,” she said, adding that this is a manifestation of the abject poverty in the country today.

    “Governance calls for public accountability. Poverty disempowers people from calling their leaders to account for their actions and decisions,” Randy said. “When the public is better informed, masses better organized, and the poor is less dependent on patronage politics, only then can we talk meaningfully about the future of democracy in our country.”

  12. #12
    21 years after ‘People Power,’ have we moved forward?
    ^nope kasi ang pinoy mahilig lang sa dada wala sa gawa

    dyan tayo magaling

    kahit cnong geezuz christ pa paupuin mo sa malacanang, or benidect XX pa, yan pa rin ang pinas

    walang asenso

  13. #13
    The Philippines does not deserve democracy. Filipinos in general are too gullible. Just look at the clowns in the senate.

  14. #14
    ^ kung wala kayong bilib sa sa lahi natin hindi na lang sana kayo tumira sa pilipinas. maraming magagaling na pilipino dito man at sa ibang bansa. nakakalulungkot isipin na sa mga tiwaling mga leader natin, nadadamay tayo mga kalokohan na ginagawa nila sa gobyerno natin.

    "evil succeeds when good men do nothing"

  15. #15
    True People Power is sitll relevant. It cannot be contrived or corrupted.

  16. #16
    It depends on what the people want to achieve through people power. Nowadays, people power is used by the opportunists just to cause chaos and destabilization. The two rallies recently were organized for Jun Lozada's truth caravan. Did the people who attended those rallies get anything from it? Did they hear anything truthful from Jun Lozada during the rallies? Is that the real people power? All Jun Lozada did was to talk as if he is kawawa and inaapi. After his formal testimony in the Senate, we heard no more from him other than his whining. The bishops who support him want a moral revolution. But that cannot be achieved through people power if the main participants politicize the events.

  17. #17
    unfortunately, one guy getting squished by a tank is not enough for many people...

    if more people get squished by tanks, I think there'd be less of it around...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bondying View Post
    Excuse me! Why spread the fault to everyone when only a few greedy and power-hungry criminals executed the coup d'etat to grab power. I'm a law-abiding tax-paying citizen of the Philippines and next thing I know nag-kudeta and umarteng presidente na si Gloria. Now, is that my immaturity?

    Place the burden of fault on those who violated the constitution, the power-grabbers and who are responsible for the problem we're in now and not try to dampen their responsibility by spreading the fault to everyone.
    ahh ok!aalisin ka na sa listahan.calm down ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopandpop View Post
    ^ kung wala kayong bilib sa sa lahi natin hindi na lang sana kayo tumira sa pilipinas. maraming magagaling na pilipino dito man at sa ibang bansa. nakakalulungkot isipin na sa mga tiwaling mga leader natin, nadadamay tayo mga kalokohan na ginagawa nila sa gobyerno natin.

    "evil succeeds when good men do nothing"
    maybe sa kantahan lang magaling ang pinoy at boxing. beyond that,

  20. #20
    O sige, mag-"people power" kayo. Yung mga mawawalan ng trabaho, bigyan nyo na rin ng trabaho. Siguraduhin nyong bababa ang kuryente, at hindi tataas dahil nagtagumpay ang mga Lopezes sa pagpapatalsik kay Gloria. Siguraduhin nyong makakakain na ang lahat at mabibigyan ng trabaho ang lahat.

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