How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Cylestrata]

Heaven is within me, it is a time when I have consummated my purpose and when enlightenment is made palpable, the time when I finally dissipate into ether.

[Frank_Mackey]

Heaven is within me, it is a time when I have consummated my purpose and when enlightenment is made palpable, the time when I finally dissipate into ether.

Consummating is fun.

[payter]

is that supposed
to be funny
frankie?

[Frank_Mackey]

^ Hey payter, shouldn't you be shouting 'God is Great!' right about now?

[payter]

you didnt answer the question

[xfrodobagginsx]

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

[Milliardo]

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

Frodobaggins is running out of things to post; you already postred this before, and showed you that the point of Jesus here is that those people forgot about love. Please, reread Matthew 5-7 for your enlightenment, as Jesus spoke how He sees justification there. To point out again: Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Note the highlighted parts: they had faith. This is consistent with Jesus saying before it, "Not those who say, 'Lord, Lord', but those who do my Father's will, that will enter heaven" (cf. Matthew 7:21) For Jesus, doing acts with love is God's will. Again, consistent with the Olivette Discourse. So, still a big zero for you....

[xfrodobagginsx]

No they didn't have faith. They were going through the motions but they didn't have truth faith. That is the point of the passage. They didn't have a true RELATIONSHIP with the Lord. That is what He meant when He said "I never knew you"

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(KJV)

When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we establish a relationship with Him. Some people who claim to be Christians go through the motions but never do this. That is the point of this passage. Good deeds do not save, only a true relationship with Christ.

[shng]

No they didn't have faith. They were going through the motions but they didn't have truth faith. That is the point of the passage. They didn't have a true RELATIONSHIP with the Lord. That is what He meant when He said "I never knew you"

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(KJV)

When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we establish a relationship with Him. Some people who claim to be Christians go through the motions but never do this. That is the point of this passage. Good deeds do not save, only a true relationship with Christ.

Christ said;"if you love me,you will obey my commandmends." this sounds more like an "obedient faith" not merely intellectual faith xpro.. to say good deeds does not count is contrary to Christ's teachings and commandmends which is to love as He loves..loving itself is an act of doing good....infact if you don't know how to do good then you don't know Christ at all..whats the use of Christ's dying and suffering if those act itself does not save..His act of showing how He loves us by His passion on the Cross has redemptive value..and so will our good deeds and sacrifices if offered to God..Jesus isn't just a substitute like you believe Him to be He is more of a representation..Christ's obedience to the Father does not spare you from obeying..christ's carrying the cross and suffering does not spare you from suffering or embracing your own cross..Christ transforms suffering into an act or expression of love and if you understand this mystery and live this then He'll transform you,He'll reproduce His own sonship through you and when you get to the Father He'll see Christ in you.

We all fall short of God's glory but through His grace our distorted images will be transformed like Christ again..if we struggle and try to live a Holy life striving for perfection then we won't have a lengthy stay in purgatory anymore..remember it is said"without Holiness no one will see the Lord."(Hebrews) and I tell you God means what He say..

[Milliardo]

No they didn't have faith. They were going through the motions but they didn't have truth faith.

You are correct; they didn't have true faith, since the faith Jesus wants to see is a faith based on love. That is faith for Jesus, not merely knowing Him.

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(KJV)

When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we establish a relationship with Him. Some people who claim to be Christians go through the motions but never do this. That is the point of this passage. Good deeds do not save, only a true relationship with Christ.

Dear, you do not understand the passage; as I keep saying, reread Matthew 5-7. Incidentally, this is the same thing Jesus said to those who did not perform good works in Matthew 25. The flow of Jesus' thought is clear in those passages: love is the true sign of faith, not merely knowing Him. Again, reread Matthew 7:21, which is before the passage you quoted, to get the context of what He's saying. Nowhere is it there that He wants a relationship with Him only. Still a big, fat zero, frodobaggins.

[Archimedes]

When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we establish a relationship with Him. Some people who claim to be Christians go through the motions but never do this. That is the point of this passage. Good deeds do not save, only a true relationship with Christ.

Where in the bible does it say that we are saved by just having a true relationship with Christ? Clearly, this is a new doctrine.

[Frank_Mackey]

Where in the bible does it say that we are saved by just having a true relationship with Christ? Clearly, this is a new doctrine.

'relationship'.... ? With Jesus? That sounds gayish...

I know that concept is clearly NOT IN THE BIBLE.

[xfrodobagginsx]

Lu 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
(KJV)

Lu 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Mt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
(KJV)

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(KJV)

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

[Milliardo]

Lu 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
(KJV)

Lu 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Interestingly, the parable of Jesus there talks of those who have faith in Him (we ate and drank with You), but Jesus again points not to a mere knowing or having a relationship with Him, but obeying Him. Nothing there to substantiate your claim.

Mt 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Same thing here--the bridesmaidens were part of the wedding entourage; they can be seen as ones having faith, but lacked in the doing part. The parable is before the Judgment scene, to illustrate the point about it.

Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

None as well as saying a relationship with Him is needed; knowing Jesus is following Him and obedience to Him, not merely having a relationship.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
(KJV)

Jesus speaks here of a truth: that He and the Father are one. Nothing more. Certainly not speaking of having a relationship.

Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(KJV)

Already discussed; you haven't posted anything convincing about this one.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Note the emphasis: and the sheep follow Him. Again, following for Jesus is obeying Him, not merely knowing Him. So, again frodobaggins, you struck out. Proof-texting won't help your cause, nor will it ever will.

[visionarylink]

Speaking of sheep mentality....Christ said he came not for the healthy but for the sick. The sick should be thankful that Christ came to save them, but they should not make the healthy as sick as them.

A test on the difference: A healthy soul knows that he is human and insists to be treated and be respected as human, and not as a domesticated, stubborn, myopic minded animal. A sick soul on the other hand says "baah-baah" without let-up when told to do so.

Be human then, evolve your Consciousness from stagnant sheep mentality and do much greater things as Christ said so.

[horribletruth]

Ironic you should say that, when Christ Himself called us "sheep".

"Feed my sheep" - John, 21:17

[visionarylink]

Ironic you should say that, when Christ Himself called us "sheep".

"Feed my sheep" - John, 21:17

Just as he said, he came for the sick (i.e. those with sheep mentality). Nothing wrong with that especially during his time because sheeps are probably the most familiar and most accesible source of parable for him to teach humble, but simple minded followers to eventually make them great in the sight of humanity. But in this modern era, for one to remain devolved to such a state of mentality may no longer be Christ's fault, he had sacrificed much already. He expects his followers to do much greater things than he had done, not to remain in the mental state of 4-hooved animals
.
It's been said that in the Akashic records Christ went to India, and during that time he was with these intelligent people with healthy souls, as a fellow human would. They begged him to stay, but he chose to go back to Palestine, just as he said...he came not for the healthy.

[xfrodobagginsx]

Ro 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
(KJV

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(KJV)

Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works

Ro 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(KJV)

[Jonga]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

so....in all the verses you quoted...where is the word "HEAVEN" in them

i dont think that believeing in Christ is a one-way ticket to heaven...that's BS and a load of crap...

in the eternity future, when Christ becomes triumpant, christians STILL stays on earth...its the New Jerusalem that comes down from heaven, that is a christians' final destination.

[Milliardo]

Ro 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
(KJV

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(KJV)

Ro 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works

Ro 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(KJV)

Frodo is really losing his bullets; Frodo dear, time and again you've been refuted with your proof-texting. Do you have any other thing to show us other than these same passages that have already been shown to not actually defend sola fide? I see you still cling to the old Romans 3-5 thingy; old news. I love how you Prots revolve salvation around 3 chapters of Romans, and ignore the rest. So, what else is new that we haven't already discussed, Frodo? You know as well as I do that repeating these verses won't make it anymore true, unless you repeat it like a matra each day to hypnotize yourself into thinking sola fide is true.